Are we 100% certain that the person in the color spread is Kaidou? Or is it just speculation?
It's speculation, but it's not baseless.
Are we 100% certain that the person in the color spread is Kaidou? Or is it just speculation?
It's speculation, but it's not baseless.
Every other major player in the NW at this point is in that color spread, and only one face is obscured, obviously on purpose.
I'd say it's pretty safe to assume it's Kaido.
So you're saying that Law will feel so inclined to help luffy after Luffy saves him that he will help him beat Kaido or another Yonkou, despite that not being the 'real' goal of the alliance to begin with? Yeah I can see that happeneing. However, I can also see Big Mom getting in the way of this somehow
Yeah this is just how I think about it. Luffy doesn't really see it as a pirate alliance. He see's Law as a dear friend already. But, Law right now just views it as a regular pirate alliance. Pirates just helping each other out. I think after Law is saved he'll see Luffy in a different light. Maybe even consider him a friend. That's why I think the alliance could last a little longer. But who knows really, that's just my theory. Yeah I can see Big Mom coming into play. Especially since Luffy already is planning to fight her.
@Red:
PLUS, given the circumstances, we will probably see that Luffy will save Law thus Law is owing his life to Luffy. The alliance will most likely be held after this arc.
Yes. I completely agree. Law probably doesn't think Luffy will do something like that. It'll completely change how Law views Luffy.
Which emperor will fall first should be the new poll question
Which emperor will fall first should be the new poll question
Oh, that's a good one.
I'd say Kaido.
Big Mom still has her Tea Party/the KHA alliance to deal with before she really comes into the story.
Kaido will start moving right after word of the events on Dressrosa reach him, leading to Luffy's first yonko scalp.
Oh, that's a good one.
I'd say Kaido.
Big Mom still has her Tea Party/the KHA alliance to deal with before she really comes into the story.
Kaido will start moving right after word of the events on Dressrosa reach him, leading to Luffy's first yonko scalp.
I think Big Mom will be first one they encounter considering the Apoo-Kid-Hawkins alliance are already after her; perfect time to put them back into story too. I mean what better time is there than to crash her teaparty?
I think Big Mom will be first one they encounter considering the Apoo-Kid-Hawkins alliance are already after her; perfect time to put them back into story too. I mean what better time is there than to crash her teaparty?
That's days away though, you've seen the speed things have been happening. The events of Punk Hazard and Dressrosa together have only taken ~1 day. Also with the way things are going, it seems like Kaido will be coming to the SHH alliance, as opposed to them going all the way to whole cake island to take on Big Mom.
TBH I'm crossing my fingers that the KHA alliance are also targeting Kaido. Would make for an epic battle against Kaido's zoan army if the alliances merged.
That's days away though, you've seen the speed things have been happening. The events of Punk Hazard and Dressrosa together have only taken ~1 day. Also with the way things are going, it seems like Kaido will be coming to the SHH alliance, as opposed to them going all the way to whole cake island to take on Big Mom.
TBH I'm crossing my fingers that the KHA alliance are also targeting Kaido. Would make for an epic battle against Kaido's zoan army if the alliances merged.
2 days, buddy. So far the events on PH and Dressrosa have taken two days.
2 days, buddy. So far the events on PH and Dressrosa have taken two days.
Is it up to 2 days now?
My time calculation has got to be more dynamic than this.
Is it up to 2 days now?
My time calculation has got to be more dynamic than this.
Day 1: They left FI fairly early in the morning, all that CC stuff happened, followed by Doffy's shenanigans
Night 1: Everyone was sleeping peacefully, having Owlfish keep watch
Day 2: All the stuff we've seen so far has taken place and it's at least 3 PM, therefore being 24+ hours since they left FI
Day 1: They left FI fairly early in the morning, all that CC stuff happened, followed by Doffy's shenanigans
Night 1: Everyone was sleeping peacefully, having Owlfish keep watch
Day 2: All the stuff we've seen so far has taken place and it's at least 3 PM, therefore being 24+ hours since they left FI
So it's 1 & 1/2 days really….still that wasn't really the point lol.
Whether it's 1, 1 & 1/2 or 2 days, my point was that the speed things are moving at, the SHH alliance against Kaido might take place while Big Mom is having her tea party/maybe dealing with the KHA alliance if it is indeed her that they're targeting.
So it's 1 & 1/2 days really….still that wasn't really the point lol.
Whether it's 1, 1 & 1/2 or 2 days, my point was that the speed things are moving at, the SHH alliance against Kaido might take place while Big Mom is having her tea party/maybe dealing with the KHA alliance if it is indeed her that they're targeting.
Of course that wasn't the point, but I feel like we need to pay attention to those trivial-seeming things as well from time to time. Details need some love too, you know?
Of course that wasn't the point, but I feel like we need to pay attention to those trivial-seeming things as well from time to time. Details need some love too, you know?
Well said Enzeru, very well said.
I still have that crazy dream that Kid and his alliance will take care of Big Mom by themselves. Bu I really don't trust Oda on this one.
I think that the Yonkous are all more or less at the same level, except that BB will be the strongest.
Kaidou I can imagine huge, well maybe even more than BigMom. It would be cool if it was devoid of the fruits of the devil, but counted only on its huge majesty.
BigMom I see very kind to paramisha. I hope soon to appear Dressrosa and do something relevant.
Shanks see him in possession of powers of a Devil Fruit, in practice, to Momonosuke. As the dragon fruit would be wasted only on Momonosuke,
I still have that crazy dream that Kid and his alliance will take care of Big Mom by themselves. Bu I really don't trust Oda on this one.
thats actually a pretty interesting idea. maybe Kid, with the help of basil and apoo, will become the next yonkou
There won't be anymore Yonkou after these ones are gone I think.
@Jewelery:
There won't be anymore Yonkou after these ones are gone I think.
That's a good point, there is no need for them since there won't be any One Piece to seek anymore.
That's a good point, there is no need for them since there won't be any One Piece to seek anymore.
How do we know that Yonkou don't predate One Piece?
How do we know that Yonkou don't predate One Piece?
You sir, win a curly wurly for your astute point making.
How do we know that Yonkou don't predate One Piece?
Thats a really good point. The Yonkou are just the four most powerful pirates in the New World. Even without the One Piece they will still be the four most powerful pirates in the New World. And Whitebeard really didn't care about getting the One Piece yet he was still a Yonkou. This also goes for Shanks, since he was part of the Pirate King's crew I don't know how badly he would want the One Piece.
Aren't the Supernova's planning on getting rid of the whole idea of Yonkou's?
@Jewelery:
Aren't the Supernova's planning on getting rid of the whole idea of Yonkou's?
They have to get rid of the yonko if they want to set without problem in the New World. It's not really a choice but a fight for their independence.
I doubt the idea of the Four Emperors is just going to disappear. After all, powerful pirates and their influence is all that's keeping the World Government and its Marines from having full control.
Well, besides the revolutionaries I guess.
That's a good point, there is no need for them since there won't be any One Piece to seek anymore.
if any of the yonkou were seeking the one piece, they would have found it by now.
i mean, isn't it common knowledge that one piece is on raftel?
shanks has to know at least.
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@Jewelery:
There won't be anymore Yonkou after these ones are gone I think.
why not? there's always going to be the four strongest pirates on the sea.
once one is taken down, whoever took them down is going to take their place
I doubt the idea of the Four Emperors is just going to disappear. After all, powerful pirates and their influence is all that's keeping the World Government and its Marines from having full control.
Well, besides the revolutionaries I guess.
If an Emperor is taken down by a bunch of allied pirates who then proceed to disband right after, there will be nobody to take their place.
Territories will be up for grabs and the Emperor allies will also disband.
why not? there's always going to be the four strongest pirates on the sea.
once one is taken down, whoever took them down is going to take their place
Being just strong is not enough to become an Emperor. You'll also need a substantial crew full of monsters.
None of the Supernova have the necessary structure to succeed an Emperor. No fleets and commanders.
why not? there's always going to be the four strongest pirates on the sea.
once one is taken down, whoever took them down is going to take their place
They are in an alliance. meaning thy are a bunch of others as strong as one them or at least on their league. And the public won't randomly take one. By the time one becomes that much more powerful than the other Luffy will already be the pirate king. And once you have the ultimate pirate you don't nominate mere emperors.
Being just strong is not enough to become an Emperor. You'll also need a substantial crew full of monsters.
None of the Supernova have the necessary structure to succeed an Emperor. No fleets and commanders.
maybe one day they will
and who said it was a supernova that would one day succeed the yonkou ?
BB doesn't have any fleets though?
BB doesn't have any fleets though?
! when jesus reappears in the dressrosa arc hes stated to be the second fleet commander of the blackbeard pirates.
If an Emperor is taken down by a bunch of allied pirates who then proceed to disband right after, there will be nobody to take their place.
Territories will be up for grabs and the Emperor allies will also disband.
Being just strong is not enough to become an Emperor. You'll also need a substantial crew full of monsters.
None of the Supernova have the necessary structure to succeed an Emperor. No fleets and commanders.
They are in an alliance. meaning thy are a bunch of others as strong as one them or at least on their league. And the public won't randomly take one. By the time one becomes that much more powerful than the other Luffy will already be the pirate king. And once you have the ultimate pirate you don't nominate mere emperors.
We know the Marines aren't going to win… are you guys assuming Luffy will unite the entire New World or something?
I guess the World Government slowly making progress subjugating islands up to where Luffy is could make for a nice endgame scenario, but I'd like to see the Supernovas have some narrative relevance post-Four Emperors.
maybe one day they will
and who said it was a supernova that would one day succeed the yonkou ?
The point is not to succeed the Emperors, but to destroy the whole concept of "Emperor" itself. That system prevents freedom and limits the competition for One Piece to only 4 people.
In the New World, either you join an Emperor or oppose them. The New Era is all about changing that.
The 11 Supernova are being built up as the leading guys of the New Era.
The point is not to succeed the Emperors, but to destroy the whole concept of "Emperor" itself. That system prevents freedom and limits the competition for One Piece to only 4 people.
In the New World, either you join an Emperor or oppose them. The New Era is all about changing that.
The 11 Supernova are being built up as the leading guys of the New Era.
Interesting. Can you point me out where in the manga that Idea was stated?
Also, I guess that Shanks likes freedom less then supernovas, right? Since he is not stereotypicaly "fighting against the system"?
The 11 Supernova are being built up as the leading guys of the New Era.
you realize every year a new group of supernovas is chosen in the one piece world.
and out of the ones we know, two, bonney and capone are out of commision.
but i guess you can say that bartolomeo and cavendish have taken their places
Interesting. Can you point me out where in the manga that Idea was stated?
Common sense!
you realize every year a new group of supernovas is chosen in the one piece world.
and out of the ones we know, two, bonney and capone are out of commision.
but i guess you can say that bartolomeo and cavendish have taken their places
He's talking about the worst generation and why are Bonney and Capone out of commission again?
He's talking about the worst generation and why are Bonney and Capone out of commission again?
bonney was captured by blackbeard who handed her over to akainu
and capone was sucked into one of blackbeards black holes….. i think
urouge might be down for the count too, depending on what you think of this scene
bonney was captured by blackbeard who handed her over to akainu
and capone was sucked into one of blackbeards black holes….. i think
urouge might be down for the count too, depending on what you think of this scene
Bonney was seen after the timeskip, right at the beginning of the Dressrosa arc. She wasn't in jail from what it seemed like. And don't count out Capone and Urouge just yet, unit we get a confirmation that they are down for the count lets consider them active pirates.
god, i hope capone isnt defeated yet… those powers are so great...
We certainly are going to see them again. If I had to bet, I would say Capone and Urouge joined a yonkou crew.
From the description of how every big incident in the NW over the past 2 years has involved a member of The Worst Generation, I seriously doubt any of them are "Out of commission".
I like the idea that in the future the 4 Emperors will not exist. As i recall now Law stated that he wants to take down Kaido not take his place. Also Kid said the same thing.
Anyway i can not believe that when lyffy beats Kaido he will start "govern" his territory. It's so out of character fir him.
Common sense!
Arlong Park has many things in abundance, but common sense is not one of them.
All that would be accomplished by simple abolishing the Yonkou would be a total chaos, and probably destruction of much of the New World. It would be like Whitebeard dying, only it would have happened to all of them at the same time.
And speaking of common sense, why didn't Whitebeard, Shanks, Roger and other strong people didn't simply destroyed idea of Yonkou, if it's so bad?
Arlong Park has many things in abundance, but common sense is not one of them.
All that would be accomplished by simple abolishing the Yonkou would be a total chaos, and probably destruction of much of the New World. It would be like Whitebeard dying, only it would have happened to all of them at the same time.
And speaking of common sense, why didn't Whitebeard, Shanks, Roger and other strong people didn't simply destroyed idea of Yonkou, if it's so bad?
The fact that it would cause chaos doesn't mean it won't happen.
From the looks of things, it takes quite some time to gain the necessary territories and what not to be considered a Yonko.
From the time when the first Yonko falls to when Luffy becomes PK and the entire world changes, there won't be enough time for a new Yonko to be crowned.
The point is not to succeed the Emperors, but to destroy the whole concept of "Emperor" itself. That system prevents freedom and limits the competition for One Piece to only 4 people.
In the New World, either you join an Emperor or oppose them. The New Era is all about changing that.
The 11 Supernova are being built up as the leading guys of the New Era.
In theory, reducing the number of Emperors from 4 to, say, 11 could work, as long as the Cold War type effect is maintained. The problem is balancing individual power to keep the World Government in check, while also leaving enough room for them to be a credible threat.
I suppose it's entirely possible for them to be weaker than the previous Emperors individually, and just have them agree to another mutual alliance, but that doesn't seem likely other than an act of desperation. I guess we might have to wait to see what the Marines are planning.
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I like the idea that in the future the 4 Emperors will not exist. As i recall now Law stated that he wants to take down Kaido not take his place. Also Kid said the same thing.
Anyway i can not believe that when lyffy beats Kaido he will start "govern" his territory. It's so out of character fir him.
It's a lot easier to conquer someone's territory than to keep controling it after. He would need a much bigger crew and a lot more ships.
At this point, I kinda feel Yonkou order will be destabilized. We heard of Kid targetting Big Mom and SH are after Kaido. Might be a sign of things to come. What might happen is Marines gaining even more influence in the New World and that's when the real war is going to start.
god, i hope capone isnt defeated yet… those powers are so great...
since he already has a post-timeskip design..we can assume he is still alive and kicking@Darth:
Arlong Park has many things in abundance, but common sense is not one of them.
All that would be accomplished by simple abolishing the Yonkou would be a total chaos, and probably destruction of much of the New World. It would be like Whitebeard dying, only it would have happened to all of them at the same time.
And speaking of common sense, why didn't Whitebeard, Shanks, Roger and other strong people didn't simply destroyed idea of Yonkou, if it's so bad?
since dressrosa has begun with the quote "even a big wave that could destroy cities in the beginning is just a little riddle no one noticed",we can assume that doflamingo's fall first,and then kaido's one are gonna have a big impact in the new world…and chaos is probably part of it.
if any of the yonkou were seeking the one piece, they would have found it by now.
i mean, isn't it common knowledge that one piece is on raftel?
shanks has to know at least.
I don't think any of them, aside from Blackbeard, is looking for it.
Arlong Park has many things in abundance, but common sense is not one of them.
All that would be accomplished by simple abolishing the Yonkou would be a total chaos, and probably destruction of much of the New World. It would be like Whitebeard dying, only it would have happened to all of them at the same time.
And speaking of common sense, why didn't Whitebeard, Shanks, Roger and other strong people didn't simply destroyed idea of Yonkou, if it's so bad?
The possibility of the New World falling into chaos has been brought up several times already.
The possibility of the New World falling into chaos has been brought up several times already.
Naaaah, Law's big speech to Doffy about destroying the gears and that the new era was coming was obviously just general chit chat.