Naaaah, Law's big speech to Doffy about destroying the gears and that the new era was coming was obviously just general chit chat.
General 'Four Emperors' Discussion
-
-
Pfft, yeah, but what does that prove?
One of the Worst Generation only stated outright that chaos would ensue, plainly stated at that.
-
I don't think any of them, aside from Blackbeard, is looking for it.
so why dont the rest of them want it!?
-
But even if the current Yonkou are " dethroned" I just don't see it as permanently destroyed in all forms. I mean Luffy is still establishing/ protecting territories in his name and he just entered the NW, perpetuating that
system and establishing that he'll just do the same, or at least similar practices as long as he lives, after he becomes PK. ( though it's interesting that the PK Gol was never established of having territories like the Yonkou)
Either way whether it's an increase in numbers, or a division of forces, lack of allies, just generally more or less pirates, a much more greater or less quantity of territory itself, (i. e. such as I see a possible extension to the individual seas themselves);
I just see the Yonkous remaining in some form.
Now the Shichibukai, on the other hand… -
I don't think having a fleet of ships is a necessary requirement to be a Yonkou, seeing as how Shanks seems to only have his immediate crew + some nobodies (seemingly). What I do think they need is a massive sphere of influence by mere presence, the fleets are just icing on the cake.
I imagine that if some pirate saw the Jolly Roger of the Red Haired Pirates on an island and still proceeded to mess up the place, and Shanks having to respond but without a fleet, he would send on of his crew members to take on the entirety of the invading crew. That is what it means to be a Yonkou, in my mind.
However, we still know very little about the machinations of these four pirates. It's fun to speculate on.
-
If you don't have a large crew and a fleet of ships (direct subordinates or allied crews), you can't counterbalance other emperors. Or defend from smaller crews who want to get a piece of your territory. The emperors are called emperors because they govern a territory, and they can't hold a territory without enough manpower. If Shanks was all about one ship and his crew, then someone like Kaido could just take over everything he has with his army of pseudo zoans.
His flag might be a deterrent for weaker crews, but it wouldn't mean shit to other emperors or marines.
-
If you don't have a large crew and a fleet of ships (direct subordinates or allied crews), you can't counterbalance other emperors. Or defend from smaller crews who want to get a piece of your territory. The emperors are called emperors because they govern a territory, and they can't hold a territory without enough manpower. If Shanks was all about one ship and his crew, then someone like Kaido could just take over everything he has with his army of pseudo zoans.
His flag might be a deterrent for weaker crews, but it wouldn't mean shit to other emperors or marines.
Yet, there he is, just Shanks and his crew, holding their own.
-
I really wonder what happened to Capone. He, like…got sucked up by a giant floating rock.
-
Newgate at Marineford came with fifty ships, perhaps there was helped because it was a special situation, it was Ace the prince of pirates, the heir of Gold Roger, if it were not the middle of it, maybe WB would not be able to take behind all those people.
In any case, I think that any emperor would have at least a fleet of twenty / thirty ships.
-
Yet, there he is, just Shanks and his crew, holding their own.
Whitebeard was shown with one ship at the beginning. But it turns out he had a fleet and allied pirate crews.
Big Mom has allied crews. It was revealed when Pekoms was talking about how Kid destroyed some of their allied ships.
Kaido has an army of zoans. I'm guessing he has some kind of a fleet, since those zoans need some transports if they are going to do anything but defend territory.
Blackbeard seems to have a fleet or two, since Burgess is first fleet commander.
Don't know how or why Shanks should just have core crew and only one vessel. Just because it wasn't explicitly said, doesn't mean he doesn't have more than one ship and allies. In fact a lot of info about Shanks is kept in the dark. No matter how strong he and his core crew are, he can't hold any territory or influence without allies protecting it. One ship can only do so much.
And before I hear how Roger was called a pirate king even with only one ship and core crew, he was called a king because he was the strongest, and was the first to conquer the grand line. Emperors got the name because they have islands which they rule. -
To be honest we don't know enough about how much territory each Yonko holds.
Just because they're the four emperors doesn't mean they all control an exact quarter of the New World.
Shanks might keep a significantly smaller portion of the NW than the other emperors, but only because ruling on a grand scale like that isn't really his style.
His core crew alone would probably be strong enough to keep a nicely sized area of the NW in check.
-
To be honest we don't know enough about how much territory each Yonko holds.
Just because they're the four emperors doesn't mean they all control an exact quarter of the New World.
Shanks might keep a significantly smaller portion of the NW than the other emperors, but only because ruling on a grand scale like that isn't really his style.
His core crew alone would probably be strong enough to keep a nicely sized area of the NW in check.
You don't know that, don't make assumptions.
-
You don't know that, don't make assumptions.
To be honest we don't know enough about how much territory each Yonko holds.
Just because they're the four emperors doesn't mean they all control an exact quarter of the New World.
Shanks might keep a significantly smaller portion of the NW than the other emperors, but only because ruling on a grand scale like that isn't really his style.
His core crew alone would probably be strong enough to keep a nicely sized area of the NW in check.
-
This post is deleted!
-
How do we know only Shank's core crew was the only 1's there when he was 1st introduced? They were using an entire island as a base; even if this island was at least the size of only a mile or 2 radius, there'd be plenty of room for more crew, or additional crews to be at the island just not shown because they were not yet that necessary.
-
To be honest we don't know enough about how much territory each Yonko holds.
Just because they're the four emperors doesn't mean they all control an exact quarter of the New World.
Shanks might keep a significantly smaller portion of the NW than the other emperors, but only because ruling on a grand scale like that isn't really his style.
His core crew alone would probably be strong enough to keep a nicely sized area of the NW in check.
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/02/05/o/read51111e576ee93/img000014.png
-
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/02/05/o/read51111e576ee93/img000014.png
Hmm, it's true Law gave that general outline , yeah.
I think Shanks might be slightly different though. He's never been portrayed as the stereotypical pirate, much like Luffy.
-
Entirely based on guess work, Shanks and his crew does seem like the kind of guys who'd value quality over quantity.
But then again, so did Blackbeard, and he's apparently got an entire fleet now.
-
Hmm, it's true Law gave that general outline , yeah.
I think Shanks might be slightly different though. He's never been portrayed as the stereotypical pirate, much like Luffy.
If that map is true and doesn't just show influence in the underground world, either the smallest circle represents Shanks' area or it's not marked on the map. Shanks' personality may be similar to Luffy's but by betting on a him/new era he partly settled down and even for a roaming Yonko one can think of some reasons why he might have a few controlled spots.
-
Kaido has the best crew! You can't staph the might of the Horde!!
-
If that map is true and doesn't just show influence in the underground world, either the smallest circle represents Shanks' area or it's not marked on the map. Shanks' personality may be similar to Luffy's but by betting on a him/new era he partly settled down and even for a roaming Yonko one can think of some reasons why he might have a few controlled spots.
I don't think that diagram is meant to show the actual state of the NW, it's more of a general outline of how the yonko's sphere of influence works.
-
I don't think having a fleet of ships is a necessary requirement to be a Yonkou, seeing as how Shanks seems to only have his immediate crew + some nobodies (seemingly). What I do think they need is a massive sphere of influence by mere presence, the fleets are just icing on the cake.
I imagine that if some pirate saw the Jolly Roger of the Red Haired Pirates on an island and still proceeded to mess up the place, and Shanks having to respond but without a fleet, he would send on of his crew members to take on the entirety of the invading crew. That is what it means to be a Yonkou, in my mind.
However, we still know very little about the machinations of these four pirates. It's fun to speculate on.
I thought Rockstar was proof that Shanks' crew is large?
-
I thought Rockstar was proof that Shanks' crew is large?
Rockstar is just one guy. He doesn't really prove that.
Instead, he is proof that even the rookies in Shanks' crew are way stronger than the average pirate.
-
Entirely based on guess work, Shanks and his crew does seem like the kind of guys who'd value quality over quantity.
But then again, so did Blackbeard, and he's apparently got an entire fleet now.
The island on which Mihawk came to talk about Luffy was full of his scarred nobodies.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Hmm, it's true Law gave that general outline , yeah.
I think Shanks might be slightly different though. He's never been portrayed as the stereotypical pirate, much like Luffy.
But he is still an emperor. He needs the big crew. People were using that same argument for Blacbeard back then.
Shanks seems to like to enjoy his time. But so are the other yonko. So I don't see why he would special in that matter.
-
Hmm, it's true Law gave that general outline , yeah.
I think Shanks might be slightly different though. He's never been portrayed as the stereotypical pirate, much like Luffy.
Shanks might be trying to prevent the other Emperors from expanding their own territories by conquering territories himself. Basically, fighting fire with fire.
I mean, what else could he do?
-
I kinda think he's allied with the remnants of Whitebeard pirates. If Law's statement how surviving NW comes down to either fighting a Yonkou or joining a Yonkou is true, then WBP-s joining Shanks would kill two birds with one stone, since it's obvious he sees Blackbeard as an enemy, just like they do.
Plus, since Whitebeard died, I can't get this off my mind.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2541-7/one-piece/chapter-434.html There are plenty of examples in OP when such seemingly innocent remarks turned out to be foreshadowings of some kind. -
Shanks might be trying to prevent the other Emperors from expanding their own territories by conquering territories himself. Basically, fighting fire with fire.
I mean, what else could he do?
The NW came across to me as being in a stalemate, I don't think anyone's territories are expanding or detracting.
With comments like the gorosei made about Shanks ie he's a man who won't change the world by himself, I could totally see him controlling a smaller portion of the NW than the other Yonko, enough for his main crew to govern effectively.
-
Entirely based on guess work, Shanks and his crew does seem like the kind of guys who'd value quality over quantity.
But then again, so did Blackbeard, and he's apparently got an entire fleet now.
I imagine they allow people to join them but when it really comes down to it there main crew is the one they consider family and who'll have their back in any fight m(as well as being the most significant members)
I was always under the impression since the end of the war that each Yonkou group would have around 8 members (with everyone else being weak) seeing as how they set it up so perfectly in that anime scene
[HIDE]
[/HIDE]since it seemed safe to assume that they would be similarly stacked in power as the others who are considered there equal, with White Beard being the obvious exception and having double because he's fucking white beard (although we'll probably get to know Shanks, BB's, Big Moms, and Kaidous crews better than white beards who may have double but only four have made an impression)
but now that Doflamingo has a huge crew with freakin 15 significant members (granted two were delt with last arc and one betrayed him this arc) who knows how many important members Kaidou and Big Mom have…. and it's not like Oda to be predictable like that anyways
EDIT: I just don't know how many times he can introduce 10 plus villans into a single arc, you can bring up that Luffy and law will most likely have lots allies, but even if they fight weakend members of a Yonkou crew (assuming they fight them at all) they'll probs need at least two to four people fighting each signifant member
-
two things:
-
shanks has probably comparatively few crewmembers but lots of allies
-
while other yonkou where shown to occupy islands that would could supply them with some kind of stockpile (big mom -> candy factory, kaidou -> weapons factory) shanks most likely only takes islands that he has a personal connection to, like luffy does. so his area of influence might be smaller and not as interestering for the other yonkou to take over.
also, just knowing an island is under his protection might be enough to provide actual protection…no need to have a warship constantly posted there
-
-
The NW came across to me as being in a stalemate, I don't think anyone's territories are expanding or detracting.
With comments like the gorosei made about Shanks ie he's a man who won't change the world by himself, I could totally see him controlling a smaller portion of the NW than the other Yonko, enough for his main crew to govern effectively.
That's kinda what I meant. Shanks could have entered this game to prevent the other Emperors from becoming stronger and/or more influential by becoming one himself.
Or maybe he just has islands that he would not like to lose to other people and has no other choice but to claim them.
-
That's kinda what I meant. Shanks could have entered this game to prevent the other Emperors from becoming stronger and/or more influential by becoming one himself.
Or maybe he just has islands that he would not like to lose to other people and has no other choice but to claim them.
He probably just wants to maintain some kind of presence in the NW while he awaits Luffy's arrival.
-
This post is deleted!
-
Soooo, what are your expectations of the kaido pirates?
Devil fruitS? Drake division commander? 2nd division perhaps?
Wow that would have to meAn sanjib should keep up with drake, can't wait to see it.
-
@LordEnel:
Soooo, what are your expectations of the kaido pirates?
Devil fruitS? Drake division commander? 2nd division perhaps?
Wow that would have to meAn sanjib should keep up with drake, can't wait to see it.
I think… Drake just ally with Kaido....Drake too weak to become 2nd division commander, 1st until 3rd commanders are someone that capable to fight against Admiral ..
-
@LordEnel:
Devil fruitS? Drake division commander? 2nd division perhaps?
I'm still under the assumption that the top 3 commanders of a Yonko are usually around admiral level, so I doubt Drake is that high up, but I could deef see him being one of there top commanders
lol what if he's the 10th commander
-
I think… Drake just ally with Kaido....Drake too weak to become 2nd division commander, 1st until 3rd commanders are someone that capable to fight against Admiral ..
Ace was 2nd division commander, burgess is the first fleet commander. I don't think drake is weaker then them.
-
This post is deleted!
-
Ace was 2nd division commander, burgess is the first fleet commander. I don't think drake is weaker then them.
Ace > All Blackbeard Crew on MF … Ace look weak on MF Arc because he is prisoner on Impel Down, so he not have a good stamina. We can assume like: if Luffy not eat 2 day then he will really weak... that what happen to Ace, he is on Level 6 Impel Down, and all the time he use kairoseki handcuff ...I can tell if ace in the best form will not look really weak like on MF Arc.... And about Burgess on Dresrossa Arc, he is crew new Yonko, and we not see him all out yet. Luffy, Kid, Law, Drake on same league and I see the reason Sabo come and take Luffy place because Sabo > Burgess > Luffy current ...(this just my estimate)
-
I think… Drake just ally with Kaido....Drake too weak to become 2nd division commander, 1st until 3rd commanders are someone that capable to fight against Admiral ..
I'm still under the assumption that the top 3 commanders of a Yonko are usually around admiral level, so I doubt Drake is that high up, but I could deef see him being one of there top commanders
lol what if he's the 10th commander
I cringe every time I see something like that.
In all honesty, I don't see it that way. The war showed us that top Yonkou commanders are not really on the Admiral level. I see no reason for Kaido's crew to be stronger than Whitebeards.
-
Ace > All Blackbeard Crew on MF … Ace look weak on MF Arc because he is prisoner on Impel Down, so he not have a good stamina. We can assume like: if Luffy not eat 2 day then he will really weak... that what happen to Ace, he is on Level 6 Impel Down, and all the time he use kairoseki handcuff ...I can tell if ace in the best form will not look really weak like on MF Arc.... And about Burgess on Dresrossa Arc, he is crew new Yonko, and we not see him all out yet. Luffy, Kid, Law, Drake on same league and I see the reason Sabo come and take Luffy place because Sabo > Burgess > Luffy current ...(this just my estimate)
Ace was all out in the fight with BB, he din't look very strong, he din't even show haki, and he was fine back then. I think luffy( post time skip) could beat Ace.
-
When you have a devil fruit, you first try to master it, then you move onto haki, from marine ford we found out that ace did have haki. He just got unlucky he fought bb without proper haki mastery.
The first to 3d commander are capable to go to to toe with an admiral yes, drake was a rear admiral before time skip, it's not too far fetched to think he could now be high vice admiral level. I'm sure he could go toe to toe with an admiral for a little bit at least.
-
Ace was all out in the fight with BB, he din't look very strong, he din't even show haki, and he was fine back then. I think luffy( post time skip) could beat Ace.
We didn't know how well Ace mastered haki, but he can use CoC when he still 10 years old, so I believe he have CoO and CoA on MF Arc. The problem is, no one in pre-ts show CoA until make part of his body turn black, we just see basic CoA back then. Maybe Oda not yet want to introduce to us, but seem really ridiculous to me if the second cannot use haki, because in the new world haki is main power. About Ace Vs BB, that because BB have ridiculous phisical strength that can tank all attack, seem Ace look weak because Ace not have information about BB's DF that can seal all DF power, and Ace fighting style too fokus use his DF.
Luffy post-ts maybe on par with Ace, but we not have enough information to compare their power. I also believe we will see that Luffy post-ts > Other Supernova because he have CoC and will off D, so he have better progress after 2 years….but, I not have enough information to compare their power. So this just theory without evidence.
-
Ace was all out in the fight with BB, he din't look very strong, he din't even show haki, and he was fine back then. I think luffy( post time skip) could beat Ace.
What could haki do against Teach? :blink: Seriously.
-
What could haki do against Teach? :blink: Seriously.
Haki are most important factor in a OP fight…
-
Lol ? A pure haki fighter would basically mean Blackbeard without yami yami.
I think Mihawk shanks garp and so worth can fuck Blackbeard up well.
-
Haki doesn't disable devil fruit powers. And you aren't able to move anyway to use CoO.
-
If CoO not useful still have CoA, CoA can become the best armor and the best weapon to counter Yami Yami no Mi power
-
If CoO not useful still have CoA, CoA can become the best armor and the best weapon to counter Yami Yami no Mi power
You can't disable yami's power.
And fire is more hurtful than armament, and teach could absorb it's damage the same way he absorbed fire ones. -
Absa is not Absalom. Oda said so in an SBS.
16 chars of lmao
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
I feel like Big Mom might have the power to bring objects to life. That's why her ship talks, and that's what she was eating last time we saw her. She brought gingerbread men or something, to life.
Would ramp down on the cannibalism a bit, which is nice.
holy shit dude, that's my new bet, I never thought about this but that's highly likely hahaha really good call im astonished