But that's the question mark here, do you know if you are being hit with King's haki? Because if not, he still wouldn't be able to tell?
for those with strong will, it will have no effect/feel nothing.
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And lastly, feats. Admirals are not ubeatable, okay, I can concede on that. However, they are extremly hard to beat. Luffy isn't up there. He simply isn't. Unless you are going to say that he is stronger than everyone that took part in the War and faced Admirals. That would include Whitebeard, Marco, Jozu, Ace, Jimbei, Inazuma, Ivankov, Crocodile and the rest of Whitebeard commanders. None of whom was shown winning against Admirals, with the exception of Whitebeard, and his attack did little more than slow down Akainu.
What basis do you have to say that Luffy can beat Admirals now?
Not necessarily saying anything against your point itself, but more so the supposed proof that none of them were shown defeating an Admiral; which proves nothing because pretty much no fight 1 vs 1 was ever truly shown to be concluded unless it was
against fodder and fodder groups. Conceivably this was so the full extent of some abilities could be still kept secret for later
reveals, ( like Oda seems to be doing here in a lot of Dressrosa fights as well), but either way the way you make it sound like there were many, or even any examples when 1 vs 1's were ever really " concluded in a clear cut winner and loser".
If none was shown for any than why would it be any different for the Admirals?roger only said that they almost killed each other many times..same can be said for luffy and lucci,but in the end luffy was stronger.Anyway if i remember we already had this discussion right?WB speech was about the guys who knew how the sea was back then,not about strenght..oda also said that he was going to make WB mention shiki too,but he felt like it was too much information at once.well if the actual yonkou are described as "the only guys who can be considered on par with WB" ,and WB itself is now weaker than at his prime (like multiple people already said in the manga),than yes,the actual yonkou are much weaker of both roger and WB at their prime.rayleight's haoshoku was unable to knock down even one member of strawhats,heart pirates or kid pirates (ok,one of the guys of the heart pirates almost fainted)…so i really don't think there is someone with an haoshoku that big to be usable as a weapon against big names
It's absolutely possible that this is a rehash. Was probably a long time ago though.
But no the same can't really be said about Lucci. They were never rivals who continually fought.
Apparently Roger and Garp fought each other somewhat routinely for years without a clear cut winner.
To take that to mean anything other than that Garp and Roger were fairly equally matched seems convaluted
Well yeah on the face of it. But it's the great figure he remembers of the age.
It's not a stretch to infer that the guy who thinks of guys like Shanks as kids, was talking about people who he actually respected as equals.
Except don't necessarily disagree with your point, in fact I'd say I probably agree with my understanding of it; but WB calling
pretty much every1 kids/ brats/ etc that are years younger than him is or could be seemingly more like that older/ elder people thing to always call people that are " children" in comparison to their own age as such, no matter how old they get because
that age gap always still remains.@mary:
lol they are in the epicentre when earthquakes destroy towns? Especially tsunami is dangerous to islands.
dunno about other islands though, but there was danger on the shabondi.old man, half dead, half faced, kicked akainu's ass, and had power to still fight teach.
Garp fought equally against Roger, and we know it's lot about 'species of power' in one piece. Also WB's sickness made him distracted, thats was his main weakness. He couldn't use coc when that sickness attacked, neither he could protect himself against akainu, when he made hole in him. That's what sickness did to him, but we don't know if age did anything special to him, like making his attacks lot weaker, when sickness isn't striking.Actually the fact that he had intravenous tubes needed to almost constantly be in him, would seemingly, even more so in the
OPU, seem to indicate his disease was ever present and possibly constantly attacking/ striking; just sometimes we're obviously worse or better than the others.If Garp nearly killed him countless times, why did he not either actually kill him or at least take him in? Roger I could understand since he probably got a kick out of it, but why would Garp beat him on some occasions and then Roger gets away every time?
Some1 kinda answered already, but just wanted to add even more evidence of that would be the latest tale of Don ChinJao
with his crew rescuing him from Garp as Roger's could have done the same.Shanks can take out 100,000 of these people just using King's haki, Luffy 50,000
and you think they wouldn't be fodder in a war where people like Whitebeard, Marco, Blackbeard, many Vice-Admirals, and 3
Admirals are involved in?They who?
for those with strong will, it will have no effect/feel nothing.
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Can't really say it proves/ shows anything as we see Shanks passing kinda, and then people collapsing behind Marco; seeing
As how haki seems to go out in waves, it would seem that the haki had already passed by Marco a few moments ago and as
such the 'sign of his acknowledging it's passing' would have been missed already because Oda chose not to show it on/ in
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Can't really say it proves/ shows anything as we see Shanks passing kinda, and then people collapsing behind Marco; seeing
As how haki seems to go out in waves, it would seem that the haki had already passed by Marco a few moments ago and as
such the 'sign of his acknowledging it's passing' would have been missed already because Oda chose not to show it on/ in
Panel.the guy in the middle panel is belong to youngster group, Marco warned them (the youngster group) to move away before Shanks board the ship. The middle panel guy don't feel anything from Shanks's haki burst and confused about the situation (his passed out friends)
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Not necessarily saying anything against your point itself, but more so the supposed proof that none of them were shown defeating an Admiral; which proves nothing because pretty much no fight 1 vs 1 was ever truly shown to be concluded unless it was
against fodder and fodder groups. Conceivably this was so the full extent of some abilities could be still kept secret for later
reveals, ( like Oda seems to be doing here in a lot of Dressrosa fights as well), but either way the way you make it sound like there were many, or even any examples when 1 vs 1's were ever really " concluded in a clear cut winner and loser".
If none was shown for any than why would it be any different for the Admirals?Jozu is shown to be clearly beaten by Aokiji. Inazuma, Ace, Ivankov, and Curiel all clearly lost to Akainu. Akainu's fight with Whitebeard is basically a tie, since the former fell down a hole, and the latter got half of his head burned off. Other fights were inconclusive.
Just thought I pointed it out.
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Jozu is shown to be clearly beaten by Aokiji. Inazuma, Ace, Ivankov, and Curiel all clearly lost to Akainu. Akainu's fight with Whitebeard is basically a tie, since the former fell down a hole, and the latter got half of his head burned off. Other fights were inconclusive.
Just thought I pointed it out.
Jozu got caught off guard and partially frozen by Kuzan, that's not a clear win.
Whitebeard shattered Akainu and he ended up down that hole as a result, if anything that's more of a clear win than the Kuzan-Jozu situation.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Jozu got caught off guard and partially frozen by Kuzan, that's not a clear win.
Whitebeard shattered Akainu and he ended up down that hole as a result, if anything that's more of a clear win than the Kuzan-Jozu situation.
That's another really silly argument I see a lot. He got caught off guard? He was fighting Admiral, and we can assume he has CoO, unless you are going to make an argument that one of the strongest Yonkou commanders clearly doesn't have this ability. He didn't get partialy frozen, he got frozen entirely and lost his arm, because it was shattered off. I think it's quite clearly a victory for Kuzan.
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That's another really silly argument I see a lot. He got caught off guard? He was fighting Admiral, and we can assume he has CoO, unless you are going to make an argument that one of the strongest Yonkou commanders clearly doesn't have this ability. He didn't get partialy frozen, he got frozen entirely and lost his arm, because it was shattered off. I think it's quite clearly a victory for Kuzan.
can't really see how someone can argue that he wasn't caught off guard…observation haki doesn't mean you can't get distracted if your captain is spitting blood
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That's another really silly argument I see a lot. He got caught off guard? He was fighting Admiral, and we can assume he has CoO, unless you are going to make an argument that one of the strongest Yonkou commanders clearly doesn't have this ability. He didn't get partialy frozen, he got frozen entirely and lost his arm, because it was shattered off. I think it's quite clearly a victory for Kuzan.
No matter how good your CoO is, when the 1st Division commander of your crew get beamed by Borsalino you're going to get a little distracted. True Jozu got pretty messed up. But, I think the real question here is why could Dolfamingo break out of Kuzan's ice but Jozu couldn't?
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But, I think the real question here is why could Dolfamingo break out of Kuzan's ice but Jozu couldn't?
Aokiji's flash-freeze attacks are not that special, he merely coats his victims in a layer or block of ice. It's not surprising that someone of Doflamingo's or Whitebeard's calibre can escape those no-name attacks with a bit of effort.
The ice-time move is what freezes people to the core, but he needs to make physical contact for that (judging by his encounter with the Straw Hats). He didn't use that attack in Doflamingo's case, Buffalo even notes that his master wasn't frozen to the core.Now we don't know how Kuzan beat Jozu, but I guess is that he trapped him with a flash-freeze and finished the job with an ice-time attack shortly after.
It's basically Kuzan being serious during the war vs. Kuzan not giving a shit at Punk Hazard. Note how he completely ignored Doflamingo once he got him off Smoker.
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That's another really silly argument I see a lot. He got caught off guard? He was fighting Admiral, and we can assume he has CoO, unless you are going to make an argument that one of the strongest Yonkou commanders clearly doesn't have this ability. He didn't get partialy frozen, he got frozen entirely and lost his arm, because it was shattered off. I think it's quite clearly a victory for Kuzan.
If you can't see the difference between getting caught by surprise and a clear and outstanding victory then there's no point in us continuing this discussion lol.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Aokiji's flash-freeze attacks are not that special, he merely coats his victims in a layer or block of ice. It's not surprising that someone of Doflamingo's or Whitebeard's calibre can escape those no-name attacks with a bit of effort.
The ice-time move is what freezes people to the core, but he needs to make physical contact for that (judging by his encounter with the Straw Hats). He didn't use that attack in Doflamingo's case, Buffalo even notes that his master wasn't frozen to the core.Now we don't know how Kuzan beat Jozu, but I guess is that he trapped him with a flash-freeze and finished the job with an ice-time attack shortly after.
It's basically Kuzan being serious during the war vs. Kuzan not giving a shit at Punk Hazard. Note how he completely ignored Doflamingo once he got him off Smoker.
Ahh, I see. That makes perfect sense. I never wanted to believe that Dolfamingo just straight up outclasses a WB Commander. I guess when Kuzan touches you you're pretty much a popsicle. Kuzan pops actually sound good, they could come in all sorts of pirate-themed flavors.
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If you can't see the difference between getting caught by surprise and a clear and outstanding victory then there's no point in us continuing this discussion lol.
I see. It doesn't change the outcome though.
Also, if looking away for a second is consider distraction now, I suppose that Luffy's fight with Lucci wasn't a clear win for you either?
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I was wondering what would be the bounties of DD Pirates, is he really stopped being a shichibukai ( and assuming Vergo and Monet survived)
Well, Bellami had a bounty of 195 000 000 and he was not strong nor capable enough to join the family.
Jora 200 000 000
Delinger 225 000 000
Baby5 230 000 000
Violet 235 000 000
Buffalo 240 000 000
Pink 250 000 000
Machvise 260 000 000
Monet 280 000 000
Sugar 290 000 000
Lao G 350 000 000
Gladius 370 000 000
CC 415 000 000
Trebol 450 000 000
Pica 500 000 000
Vergo 500 000 000
Diamante 550 000 000
and
Donquixote Doflamingo 690 000 000What are your thoughts and expectations?
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I was wondering what would be the bounties of DD Pirates, is he really stopped being a shichibukai ( and assuming Vergo and Monet survived)
Well, Bellami had a bounty of 195 000 000 and he was not strong nor capable enough to join the family.
Bellamy is strong enough to join that Family, Bellamy has done everything in his power to join that family, the fact is that Doflamingo doesn't want him there and I'm pretty sure that he's stronger than Jora, Bufalo, Baby 5 and he can most likely win against Dellinger If had fought back also those bounties are way to high.
PS: Pica seems to be the strongest character among the seats even though Diamante is the leader of the fighting squad
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And why would CC's bounty be raised?
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And why would CC's bounty be raised?
For defeating Luffy, Smoker, Robin, Franky, Tashigi
For creating hundreds of artificial DFs for a yonkou
For working under the ex-shichibukai
For creating weapons of mass destructions
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Being essential in making WMD's seem like grounds for a bounty increase.
But 500+ mil for his top henchmen seems a little too much
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If Bounty means power:
Donquixote Doflamingo 600.000.000 –--> Luffy after beat DD 600.000.000
Vergo, Diamante, Pica, Trebol > 400.000.000 ----> Weaker than Zoro (Zoro next bounty 420.000.000)
Gladius, Lao G, Monet > 300.000.000 ----> Weaker than Snaji (Sanji next bounty 330.000.000)
Dellinger, Machvise,Senor Pink > 200.000.000 ----> Weaker than Franky ( I hope next bounty 220.000.000)
Buffalo, Baby 5, Sugar, Violet, Jora > 150.000.000 ----> Weaker than Bellamy 195.000.000
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Yeah…i want to believe that the most realistic estimation is that of Don Flamingo's bounty...A bounty between 200 and 300 million for his top officers and way below for the rest.For his top officers to have bounties equal with other warlords it seems a little too much.I could be proven wrong though
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For defeating Luffy, Smoker, Robin, Franky, Tashigi
For creating hundreds of artificial DFs for a yonkou
For working under the ex-shichibukai
For creating weapons of mass destructions
etc.How would the WG know he produces SMILE?
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Smoker tells them?
Smoker knows? I'm blanking on the punk hazzard arc. Could someone give me a link to where he says he knows or he is told?
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If Bounty means power:
Donquixote Doflamingo 600.000.000 –--> Luffy after beat DD 600.000.000
Vergo, Diamante, Pica, Trebol > 400.000.000 ----> Weaker than Zoro (Zoro next bounty 420.000.000)
Gladius, Lao G, Monet > 300.000.000 ----> Weaker than Snaji (Sanji next bounty 330.000.000)
Dellinger, Machvise,Senor Pink > 200.000.000 ----> Weaker than Franky ( I hope next bounty 220.000.000)
Buffalo, Baby 5, Sugar, Violet, Jora > 150.000.000 ----> Weaker than Bellamy 195.000.000Those SH predictions are a bit too high.
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Smoker knows? I'm blanking on the punk hazzard arc. Could someone give me a link to where he says he knows or he is told?
Smoker doesn't know shit
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If Bounty means power:
Donquixote Doflamingo 600.000.000 –--> Luffy after beat DD 600.000.000
Vergo, Diamante, Pica, Trebol > 400.000.000 ----> Weaker than Zoro (Zoro next bounty 420.000.000)
Gladius, Lao G, Monet > 300.000.000 ----> Weaker than Snaji (Sanji next bounty 330.000.000)
Dellinger, Machvise,Senor Pink > 200.000.000 ----> Weaker than Franky ( I hope next bounty 220.000.000)
Buffalo, Baby 5, Sugar, Violet, Jora > 150.000.000 ----> Weaker than Bellamy 195.000.000but we know it's not the case
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Smoker doesn't know shit
What's stopping Smoker from interrogating any of Caesar's ex-minions?
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What's stopping Smoker from interrogating any of Caesar's ex-minions?
nothing is stopping them but do they know what Caesar was really making? They know the words 'experiments', 'SAD' and 'Joker' but I'm pretty sure that they don't know what's actually behind those words
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You think the WG knew for the last 2 years they were a Shichibukai down.
I know more about One Piece than you FACT.
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I don't know, if WG can find out about the smiles, I was just suggesting bounties based on premise that WG has all the necessary information to come up with fair numbers.
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I was wondering what would be the bounties of DD Pirates, is he really stopped being a shichibukai ( and assuming Vergo and Monet survived)
Captains consistently get bounties which are much higher than subordinates, even when the difference between the subordinate and the captain are small or negligible. Bellamy was a captain, and since he was not officially a subordinate when he was getting his bounties, he is probably rated as though he were still a captain.
I'd guess most of your bounties are about double what they would actually be; the weaker members of the Dofla crew in the 100m-125m range, the strongest in the ~300m range. Dofla's should be about 600-700m, though, I'd guess, so you're probably right on that one.
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You think the WG knew for the last 2 years they were a Shichibukai down.
What ?
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Bellamy is strong enough to join that Family, Bellamy has done everything in his power to join that family, the fact is that Doflamingo doesn't want him there and I'm pretty sure that he's stronger than Jora, Bufalo, Baby 5 and he can most likely win against Dellinger If had fought back also those bounties are way to high.
PS: Pica seems to be the strongest character among the seats even though Diamante is the leader of the fighting squad
Being stronger than Jora, Baby 5 or Buffalo is irrelevant considering those guys fulfill roles that require little physical strength. Bellamy doesn't have what it takes to join the Special Powers Team or the Commando Unit.
That only leaves the Battle Brigade, where he's pretty much overshadowed by the others (Dellinger himself has been there for +10 years). There's simply no space for a guy like him.
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Okay so I'm a little late to this thread but I figure I'll throw my own person tier for the warlords in, as far as their strength levels (post time-skip warlords only).
In order from strongest to weakest:Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the worldKuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasersDoflamingo:
Is able to control (at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)(Doflamingo and Kuma are just about equal in my mind, but I do believe Kuma is a little bit stronger)
Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice AdmiralsHancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combatBuggy:
Not much to say here lolSo this is just my personal teir list, it's definitely open for discussion and outside perspectives.
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but we know it's not the case
_If Bounty means power to destroy WG than:
Donquixote Doflamingo…................................650.000.000_
Vergo…......................................................450.000.000
Diamante, Pica, Trebol...................................400.000.000 Monet….....................................................300.000.000
Gladius & Lao G …........................................250.000.000
Dellinger, Machvise,Senor Pink, Sugar, Violet_…..200.000.000_
Buffalo, Baby 5, Jora,__…................................100.000.000–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Okay so I'm a little late to this thread but I figure I'll throw my own person tier for the warlords in, as far as their strength levels (post time-skip warlords only).
In order from strongest to weakest:Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the worldKuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasersDoflamingo:
Is able to control (at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)(Doflamingo and Kuma are just about equal in my mind, but I do believe Kuma is a little bit stronger)
Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice AdmiralsHancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combatBuggy:
Not much to say here lolSo this is just my personal teir list, it's definitely open for discussion and outside perspectives.
My list : Mihawk > = 7th > Doflaminggo > = Kuma > Hancock > = Law > Buggy
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_If Bounty means power to destroy WG than:
Donquixote Doflamingo…................................650.000.000_
Vergo…......................................................450.000.000
Diamante, Pica, Trebol...................................400.000.000 Monet….....................................................300.000.000
Gladius & Lao G …........................................250.000.000
Dellinger, Machvise,Senor Pink, Sugar, Violet_…..200.000.000_
Buffalo, Baby 5, Jora,__…................................100.000.000more like "how much the WG wants you out of the picture"
like,if there is some guy who is really weak,but has taken a liking on pissing off the tenryuubito on a daily basis,but he is protected by a yonkou for some reason (so that they can't just send the first marine they find to arrest him)
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Still not crazy about the numbers. But Vergo being the second highest bounty head seems about right.
He is according to the chart implied to be, strengthwise, on about the same level as the other three.
And his standing in the marines, with access to and influence of their information network, makes him a huge security risk.
He should atleast be worth as much as CC, whose bounty is clearly inflated by his skillset. Probably a tad more even.
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If being Shank's former rival places Mihawk that high, Buggy was his rival at one point as well. :ninja:
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@.access:
If being Shank's former rival places Mihawk that high, Buggy was his rival at one point as well. :ninja:
Buggy & Shank is like Usopp & Luffy … but Mihawk & Shank is like Zoro & Luffy ..
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Not going to comment on 7 because we haven't seen shit from him yet.
1. Mihawk, but not by as much as people think. Just because he's the best swordsman in the world doesn't make him Yonkou level, as he hasn't shown anything like Conquerer's Haki. And just because they were rivals at one point doesn't mean they're equal in power now, it could be a Luffy/Zoro relation, or worse, a Kaidou/Moria relation. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if 7 turned out to be stronger.
2. Doflamingo, he was able to stop Diamond Jozu, someone that's clearly stronger than many Shichibukai, and held his own against an Admiral for a while.
3. Kuma, effortlessly fodderized the entire Strawhats while holding back and secretly helping them out.
4. Law, trashed two Vice Admirals and managed to survive a pretty long time against an Admiral and one of the strongest Shichibukai
5. Hancock, just didn't seem all that strong with what she's shown so far
6. Buggy, the saviourJimbe would probably slot in behind Law, as Law and Luffy are pretty much equals and judging solely by Fishman Island Feats, Luffy has surpassed Jimbe.
Croc would probably slot in behind Hancock, just wasn't that strong compared to the other Shichibukai
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This is going to be a very controversial thing to say but I've been thinking about this for that past couple of days and I 've come ot the conclusion that Crocodile is probably the most interesting Warlord from the original seven. The reason I say this is because out of the original seven he's origin and how he looked in the past have been kept a mystery far longer than anyone else now. Also, I find it interesting that despite where he was placed in the series he is ,unless I'm mistaken, the first character we meet that knows about devil fruit and has mastered logia regen. I know a lot of people,especially some mods say that Croc's whole explanation about mastery relates to his extra ability, the power to dehydrate. This however I believe is false, because assume Blackbeard had his powers for little more than a week, those "extra abilities" are something you get upon eating the fruit, they're the default powers. No what Crocodile was talking about was the ability to shift into an elemental state on reflex, which at the time, was not in the series. One could say Ace was on Croc's level but, that bar scene, regardless what the majority has said was too out of place not to mean something.
Now that I've gone on a devil fruit rant, here are some other things that make Croc interesting.
- His knowledge of Ancient weapons
This seems to be a very close nit topic in the One Piece world, and I understand that he had a big organization, but even so how does someone acquire that type of information? It just doesn't seem like someone like him would know something as high class as that regardless of who his contacts might be.
- Knowledge of Devil fruits
I know I touched on this earlier but I find it strange that he knows so much about devil fruits, despite not having any relation to Vegapunk or associates of Vegapunk. Now am I saying you have to be in order to know about Devil fruits? No but he knew what an "Awakened Zoan" was, that has to raise so questions, how does he know that? Where would someone like him acquire something, secretive like that? Also throughout the series we've seen three objects that have eaten fruits, two of which belonging to factions that would have great knowledge of devil fruits, the World government, due the their accessibility to Vegapunk and Doflamingo's family due the accessibility to Caesar Clown but how did Croc get Lasso? Again the info reach of his group cannot be that great, so another mystery.
- Connections to Ivankov and Whitebeard
The beef he had with WB could be drawn up to him losing a fight, but again we don't know. Invankov's connection is a weird one, because one would assume that he, once was a female, especially seeing as how the face of the young adult version of him in chapter zero is not shown, all the viewer see is the back of his head. Which implies that either his entire body from back then has to remain a secret, or just his face. The child version of him is also ambiguous, perhaps intentionally?
I know all of this has been said up before, I was just thinking about it recently and wanted to express my thoughts.
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Not going to comment on 7 because we haven't seen shit from him yet.
1. Mihawk, but not by as much as people think. Just because he's the best swordsman in the world doesn't make him Yonkou level, as he hasn't shown anything like Conquerer's Haki. And just because they were rivals at one point doesn't mean they're equal in power now, it could be a Luffy/Zoro relation, or worse, a Kaidou/Moria relation. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if 7 turned out to be stronger.
2. Doflamingo, he was able to stop Diamond Jozu, someone that's clearly stronger than many Shichibukai, and held his own against an Admiral for a while.
3. Kuma, effortlessly fodderized the entire Strawhats while holding back and secretly helping them out.
4. Law, trashed two Vice Admirals and managed to survive a pretty long time against an Admiral and one of the strongest Shichibukai
5. Hancock, just didn't seem all that strong with what she's shown so far
6. Buggy, the saviourJimbe would probably slot in behind Law, as Law and Luffy are pretty much equals and judging solely by Fishman Island Feats, Luffy has surpassed Jimbe.
Croc would probably slot in behind Hancock, just wasn't that strong compared to the other Shichibukai
Moria would probably slot in barely ahead of Buggy, he was patheticYou underestimate Mihawk, if he not able to defeat Admiral, then Zoro never be able to defeat the Admiral as well as other swordsman. 7th is the one who cut off Z arm (Admiral), he must be very strong. If include the former Shichibukai in the list, then:
1. BB, Mihawk, 7th
4. Doffy, Kuma, Hancock
7. Law, Jimbe, Crocodile
10. Moria, Buggy–- Update From New Post Merge ---
@Superbear:
This is going to be a very controversial thing to say but I've been thinking about this for that past couple of days and I 've come ot the conclusion that Crocodile is probably the most interesting Warlord from the original seven. The reason I say this is because out of the original seven he's origin and how he looked in the past have been kept a mystery far longer than anyone else now.
I think he related with revolusioner army, and he/she is a woman than he/she need more power, so he/she ask to Ivankov to turns her be a guy (that's his past secret that Ivankov said in Impeldown) ..
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Okay so I'm a little late to this thread but I figure I'll throw my own person tier for the warlords in, as far as their strength levels (post time-skip warlords only).
In order from strongest to weakest:Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the worldKuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasersDoflamingo:
Is able to control (at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)(Doflamingo and Kuma are just about equal in my mind, but I do believe Kuma is a little bit stronger)
Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice AdmiralsHancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combatBuggy:
Not much to say here lolSo this is just my personal teir list, it's definitely open for discussion and outside perspectives.
Hancock is second strongest IMO barring the unknown SB having a WB hax fruit
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Being stronger than Jora, Baby 5 or Buffalo is irrelevant considering those guys fulfill roles that require little physical strength. Bellamy doesn't have what it takes to join the Special Powers Team or the Commando Unit.
That only leaves the Battle Brigade, where he's pretty much overshadowed by the others (Dellinger himself has been there for +10 years). There's simply no space for a guy like him.
True that but you truly believe that he doesn't have what it takes to join that family? the guy has attacked countries because they bad mouth Dressrosa, I'm pretty sure that he can fulfill some type of role in that family and Dellinger being there since he was a kid doesn't mean much since we can agree that he wasn't fighting pirates alone at that age
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Not going to comment on 7 because we haven't seen shit from him yet.
1. Mihawk, but not by as much as people think. Just because he's the best swordsman in the world doesn't make him Yonkou level, as he hasn't shown anything like Conquerer's Haki. And just because they were rivals at one point doesn't mean they're equal in power now, it could be a Luffy/Zoro relation, or worse, a Kaidou/Moria relation. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if 7 turned out to be stronger.
2. Doflamingo, he was able to stop Diamond Jozu, someone that's clearly stronger than many Shichibukai, and held his own against an Admiral for a while.
3. Kuma, effortlessly fodderized the entire Strawhats while holding back and secretly helping them out.
4. Law, trashed two Vice Admirals and managed to survive a pretty long time against an Admiral and one of the strongest Shichibukai
5. Hancock, just didn't seem all that strong with what she's shown so far
6. Buggy, the saviourJimbe would probably slot in behind Law, as Law and Luffy are pretty much equals and judging solely by Fishman Island Feats, Luffy has surpassed Jimbe.
Croc would probably slot in behind Hancock, just wasn't that strong compared to the other Shichibukai
Moria would probably slot in barely ahead of Buggy, he was patheticI'm pretty sure Jozu would lose to all of the SBs ever save maybe Crocodile, Moria, and Buggy. Also, remember thay Mihawk chose to stop sparring with Shanks because Shanks lost his arm. I can't imagine Shanks getting stonger or Mihawk getting weaker since then.
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True that but you truly believe that he doesn't have what it takes to join that family? the guy has attacked countries because they bad mouth Dressrosa, I'm pretty sure that he can fulfill some type of role in that family and Dellinger being there since he was a kid doesn't mean much since we can agree that he wasn't fighting pirates alone at that age
We don't know Dellinger's backstory at all right now, if it turned out he'd been a killer for awhile now, it wouldn't come as too much of a surpise. E.G Rob Lucci. Also, I doubt that Doflo would send Dellinger to kill Bellamy if he wasn't certain that dellinger could do it, no matter the reaction from Bellamy. Doflo is a criminal mastermind after all, probably one of the smartest characters in the series as well.
"He stumbled on the last step, but he got up at once. 'He even took care to brush off the dirt that was stuck to his guts,' my Aunt Wene told me. Then he went into his house through the back door that had been open since six and fell on his face in the kitchen."
-GGM
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We don't know Dellinger's backstory at all right now, if it turned out he'd been a killer for awhile now, it wouldn't come as too much of a surpise. E.G Rob Lucci. Also, I doubt that Doflo would send Dellinger to kill Bellamy if he wasn't certain that dellinger could do it, no matter the reaction from Bellamy. Doflo is a criminal mastermind after all, probably one of the smartest characters in the series as well.
Dellinger looked like 10 years old, so is pretty clear that he wasn't fighting pirates alone when no even Ace was doing it, Rob Lucci was like 13 or so when he did what he did, so he's was strong enough to do what he did. Doflamingo is a cocky bastard and knowing Bellamy's aim I'm pretty sure that he would have win in a battle against Dellinger, those type of guys are always training in secret in order to show what they can do to their boss also Dellinger wasn't able to do shit against Bartolomeo barrier while Bellamy managed to grab Bartolomeo.
To me is pretty clear that Bellamy had a fighting chance against Dellinger, If he wasn't all gloomy and shit.
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I'm pretty sure Jozu would lose to all of the SBs ever save maybe Crocodile, Moria, and Buggy. Also, remember thay Mihawk chose to stop sparring with Shanks because Shanks lost his arm. I can't imagine Shanks getting stonger or Mihawk getting weaker since then.
That Jozu would have lost to all the Shishibukais? explain yourself
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I know more about One Piece than you FACT.
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@kuma:
Did you forget that Kuma spent the whole 2 years on SA protecting the SH ship.
Ahh that's what you meant by a Shishi down, Oda will have to explain that scene because to me it doesn't make sense or did he explained it already?
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Ahh that's what you meant by a Shishi down, Oda will have to explain that scene because to me it doesn't make sense or did he explained it already?
The only explanation we were given it was Kuma last request to vegapunk before he became a mindless cyborg to protect the SH ship in till one of them showed up on SA. We were given no explanation as to why the WG allowed this to happen which I find odd he was suppose to be their human weapon after all.
