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The official tourism thread.
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No, but I'm still not going to claim that it was a good thing despite that. Hi, let me take your things because I believe I can look after them better than you can is still pretty imperialist.
I wouldn't dream of saying it was the right thing to do, or justifiable because we took a 'mother knows best' approach to it. I just like to see the positive side of things. After all imagine what would have happened if we didn't intervene?
A lot of the 60s redevelopment wasn't rebuilding over structures ruined in the war but rather following a belief in modernisation where the past was irrelevant. I mean, St Pancras station which I used as an example was a bit dilapidated but still one of the grandest stations in the UK, and it was going to be demolished because they figured railway stations were out of date. The Euston Arch met a similar fate. Coventry, where I lived for a year or two, actually lost more buildings to 60s developers than to the Second World War. Coventry today is a bit of a mess because of that, unless 60s brutalism really floats your boat. It's a good thing several of these things were challenged else large swathes of inner London would have been demolished to build a set of radial roads that would just be mini M25s, congested and inefficient.
It really was very noticeable in some place as opposed to others.
I can remember my former home town as a child, and saw a great deal of it torn down and regenerated over time. But in all honesty most of it has been derelict warehousing, and stuff knocked up on a budget after the war. I guess this isn't really that obvious unless you've both remained in a location for 20 years or so and have witnessed the progression from old to new.
But as i said, it varies from place to place so we might have experienced opposite ends of the spectrum. The places to suffer the heavy handed approach of this modernization will revolve mostly around the ports, busy industrial sectors and the cities. A lot of this is down to health and safety would you believe it. Working regulations dictates a lot over industry. I'll give you that the biggest aspect outside of these inevitable upgrades revolve solely around our transportation system. We've grown too quickly, had too many people in power shy away from the expensive good options ans settle for rushed cheap motorways and ineffective railways.
The roads of England are pretty much the main culprit responsible for the degeneration of our country. This probably isn't just confined to England though.
Our planning laws are a lot better today though, I'll grant you that. And I have no issue with brownfield sites with no historical or architectural value getting replaced with new, affordable homes ('affordable homes' are something we're sorely lacking in). Our even a mix of the two, like the old mill near my parents' house that has been basically gutted and replaced with modern apartments, but with its facade left in place. Better than running riot with a wrecking ball.
I love this.
The only negative thing i can point out, is how some of the various government parties have changed a lot of the green and brown belts as the housing shortage began to rise. It is still pretty good mind you, but i get this ever creeping feeling our country will be constantly under the knife; nip and tuck nip and tuck until nothing is left. Or we just end up with something similar to New York, with Lots of high rise buildings ominously surrounding a perfectly defined green patch. lol Just not anywhere as cool…
Laos is very far off the tourist trial in comparison to its neighbours. That's a big part of its appeal.
My only concern really lies in how much their is to see in comparison to its neighbors. They are probably all similar, but I'd have to have something of a selling point, like a temple or ruin.
What have you got against Thailand? XD
I dont think i could trust myself to get drunk in a country like that. A least this is what my mates reckon XD
Cambodia borders Thailand as does Laos, Malaysia and Burma, so that would limit your options somewhat.
I think Cambodia is still pretty solid in the south/south east. But it's something i would really have to study if i were to make any solid decision. It is extremely hard to find great tourist locations that haven't been warped by tourism lol.
Yes, London is a mixing point of everyone from all over the world. It's part of its appeal and its joy. But that doesn't mean there's no air of superiority. It's often said in a joking sense, but there's an attitude that the rest of the UK is lagging behind London and that even bigger cities like Manchester simply aren't as good because everything that matters happens in London. It's why the media and events tend to be so London-centric. And the cycle is self-perpetuating too.
Someones jelly of us :P
Perhaps the thing here is that I'm not referring to where people are from but where they are now. People who move to London will be seen as Londoners even if they came from remote Yorkshire, but those who live in Yorkshire will be seen as missing out/having a worse experience by virtue of them living there, even if they moved there from London.
The only kind of divide within london revolves around the cockney people that take huge pride in saying they were born within the sound of the bells. hehe
I find that more cute than elitist though.@wolfwoof:
Odds are that much of the world's capitals are populated by people who in some way or another feel better or more evolved than the cousins from the country, and country folk who feel they are arrogant dicks
Smugness comes with the territory
Well this is it right here.
Most capitols of the world tend to have lesser cities that feel burned by the lack of media attention. Not in a strong or noticeable way, but its not exactly an unknown concept. The world would be a lot more tedious if it was spread too thin.
This can be a good thing though. And this goes back to the topic of building and regeneration. The best example is how some smaller cities have remained undisturbed and beautiful from the lack of needing any form of expansion, new transportation or industrial boom. This is much more noticeable with the towns and villages outside the busy cities or industrial ports. Cornwall and the lake district are a testament to that. @Print:
I imagine it's even more than that, and is just a city thing in general, that scales up with larger cities and capital cities. London looks down on Manchester looks down on Sheffield looks down on the countyside, for example.
And the countryside carries on not giving a damn lol@cooldud:
Consider Myanmar. As far off the tourist trail as you can go. Well, unless you go to the Al-Shabab controlled parts of Somalia or Syria or Western Sahara or manage to ditch your handlers on a tour in North Korea.
Careful what you wish for Cooldud. You could wake up one day to headlines starting with 'kim jong smudge'. What a terrifying thought…
Myanmar has all the awesome Buddhist architecture of its neighbours, plus it's limping out of the 60s so you can see contemporary history in the flesh.
Either that or pripyat. A solid bit of competition right their.
The joke with this statement is that the only country in Indo-China that doesn't share a border with Thailand is the only country in the region that attracts anywhere near the same number of tourists. And unlike Thailand, which still has a cool relatively unexploited northern region, almost all of Vietnam is tourist infested.
Thats a shame. I have a friend that goes there every year who seemed to believe it still retained some areas that weren't heavily reliant on the tourism trade. But yeah it would have stiff competition against a great deal of Thailands islands.
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Cool it's our favorite dud
Arf. Arf.
I will mudwrestle you for his cool affections!
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I'll mudwrestle you for the fun of it
Can I watch? I'll pay and all.
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Cooldud is the Travel King. He's like Funky Kong from DKC.
Thanks, but I'm just an amateur. Who likes looking at maps. And reading history books. And architecture. And watching people. And grabbing a nice drink with some cool folks from around the world. And hearing them talk.
I wouldn't dream of saying it was the right thing to do, or justifiable because we took a 'mother knows best' approach to it. I just like to see the positive side of things. After all imagine what would have happened if we didn't intervene?
Half of the Tower of London would still be in its rightful home in India? And your queen would be wearing a crown made of coal?
My only concern really lies in how much their is to see in comparison to its neighbors. They are probably all similar, but I'd have to have something of a selling point, like a temple or ruin.
See Smudger, there is a slight dichotomy in your motivation here. What do you want from your vacation? Do you want to be a chill backpacker experiencing the local life, trying local cuisine, being all environmental friendly and getting shitfaced and ultra-stoned on the way? Or do you want to go to Tourism Exhibit C and click a photograph with your iPad or a nice point and shoot you bought to document your little holiday? As for a temple in Laos, how's this?
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You know what's more fun than a ruin? How about a fake one? (with a cool backstory, I might add)I dont think i could trust myself to get drunk in a country like that. A least this is what my mates reckon XD
If you handle your drink like an adult, you have nothing to worry about in Thailand. I got shitfaced on Khao-San Road and attended the Full Moon Party (with a bunch of Aussies) and I survived.
Most capitols of the world tend to have lesser cities that feel burned by the lack of media attention. Not in a strong or noticeable way, but its not exactly an unknown concept. The world would be a lot more tedious if it was spread too thin.
A lot of them don't. In a lot of the big countries, the capitals are associated with bureaucracy and the seriousness of officialdom. Think Washington, Beijing, Delhi, Brasilia, Ankara, Jerusalem and the list goes on. The financial centers, entertainment capitals and the general cool place to be in is not the capital in any of those countries. I don't know about other countries but being from Delhi is not a badge of honour in India; it's more a badge of shame lately. Now, if you're from Bombay, on the other hand…
Careful what you wish for Cooldud. You could wake up one day to headlines starting with 'kim jong smudge'. What a terrifying thought…
I honestly wouldn't mind that. You can't be any worse than the nutters who've run that country so far.
Either that or pripyat. A solid bit of competition right their.
I don't even know where the connection between Burma and Chernobyl came from.
Thats a shame. I have a friend that goes there every year who seemed to believe it still retained some areas that weren't heavily reliant on the tourism trade. But yeah it would have stiff competition against a great deal of Thailands islands.
Lol, I'm sure Vietnam has its pockets of non-touristy places. And yes, Thailand's islands are wonderful. Not off the beaten track at all, but wonderful. And you'll feel right at home. I swear that eight out of every ten tourists I met in Thai islands were Aussie.
Also, and forgive the tangent here, I sometimes feel that going off-road is a tad overrated. If you like culture and if you like history, then the beaten track is sometimes the place to be. I honestly learnt more about the world in a few hours in Jerusalem than I did off-road in Costa Rica. I'll let Monkey King wax lyrical about his Istanbul experience, and trust me, that place's awesomeness is amped up multiple times precisely because of the wonderful cross-section of people you can see there. Moreover, if you're at the right place, a tourist pub or a hostel dorm is one of the best places to meet open-minded people. And those are the best. Because they fill you up (~giggity~) with their knowledge and experience. And they keenly listen to what you have to say. Seriously, you can have a kickass time on the beaten path, if you take the right section of the path. At the right time.
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I wouldn't dream of saying it was the right thing to do, or justifiable because we took a 'mother knows best' approach to it. I just like to see the positive side of things. After all imagine what would have happened if we didn't intervene?
Several genocides, ethnic cleansings, and wars wouldn't have happened mostly.
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Half of the Tower of London would still be in its rightful home in India? And your queen would be wearing a crown made of coal?
India? I thought a lot of the crown jewels were donated or plundered from africa and a few other european countries.
See Smudger, there is a slight dichotomy in your motivation here. What do you want from your vacation? Do you want to be a chill backpacker experiencing the local life, trying local cuisine, being all environmental friendly and getting shitfaced and ultra-stoned on the way? Or do you want to go to Tourism Exhibit C and click a photograph with your iPad or a nice point and shoot you bought to document your little holiday? As for a temple in Laos, how's this?
Honestly I'd like the option for both depending on the outcome of the visit. See some places as you say are best to stay to the trail, while others are spewing alternate routes and experiences. Some holidays ive been on involved both to a certain degree. Though i'll admit sometimes money is a factor on how much you can divert from the standard routes.
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You know what's more fun than a ruin? How about a fake one? (with a cool backstory, I might add)That really doesn't appeal to me at all.
If you handle your drink like an adult, you have nothing to worry about in Thailand. I got shitfaced on Khao-San Road and attended the Full Moon Party (with a bunch of Aussies) and I survived.
Makes me laugh a little how you use the term 'adult' to describe what you mean as being responsible. Mainly due the huge amount of adults that go and cause all kinds of havoc. But to clarify Thailand has few purposes to me other than getting absolutely shitfaced and waking up next to something terrible. lol. Its basically asias take on Ibiza to me and everyone i grew up with. Yes it can be more than that, but for the most part its known for sleazy pissups.
So if i go i might take a camera and behave for some of it. but without a shadow of a doubt i would jump at the first opportunity to do something crazy, and with that intention.
A lot of them don't. In a lot of the big countries, the capitals are associated with bureaucracy and the seriousness of officialdom. Think Washington, Beijing, Delhi, Brasilia, Ankara, Jerusalem and the list goes on. The financial centers, entertainment capitals and the general cool place to be in is not the capital in any of those countries. I don't know about other countries but being from Delhi is not a badge of honour in India; it's more a badge of shame lately. Now, if you're from Bombay, on the other hand…
When you say badge of shame; are you referring to any of the sexual assaults that have taken place this year, or is this something else ive overlooked?
As for your other comment, its heavily orientated around the americas and the middle east. Europe on the whole is pretty close to the same capitol setup as England. I can think of a few exceptions.
I honestly wouldn't mind that. You can't be any worse than the nutters who've run that country so far.
I would actually love the chance to do that. I cant think of a better accomplishment than freeing the country and its opressed/brainwashed people. I just pray im alive to see it happen one day.
So god damn tragic.
Researching NK a while back really has stuck with me to the point that i wish i lived in ignorance of it all.
I don't even know where the connection between Burma and Chernobyl came from.
I was referring to your comment about NK, though my sarcasm was pretty heavy if you missed that.
Lol, I'm sure Vietnam has its pockets of non-touristy places. And yes, Thailand's islands are wonderful. Not off the beaten track at all, but wonderful. And you'll feel right at home. I swear that eight out of every ten tourists I met in Thai islands were Aussie.
I never expected that.
Most people ive met over here haven't ever left the country or considered it an option lol. And if so; only ventured to bali. Aussies are weird like that.
Also, and forgive the tangent here, I sometimes feel that going off-road is a tad overrated. If you like culture and if you like history, then the beaten track is sometimes the place to be. I honestly learnt more about the world in a few hours in Jerusalem than I did off-road in Costa Rica.
For me this is largely dependent on whether i have information at hand, be it a guide or stumbling across other backpackers with some experience. Some places just dont warrant ever doing anything but the set routine due to the geographic location. My trip to egypt is a testament to that. Every direction is sand for hours and hours XD.
But for sure some big places have pretty much got it nailed so you dont have to ever ponder at the idea of gambling on your route.
I'll let Monkey King wax lyrical about his Istanbul experience, and trust me, that place's awesomeness is amped up multiple times precisely because of the wonderful cross-section of people you can see there. Moreover, if you're at the right place, a tourist pub or a hostel dorm is one of the best places to meet open-minded people. And those are the best. Because they fill you up (~giggity~) with their knowledge and experience. And they keenly listen to what you have to say. Seriously, you can have a kickass time on the beaten path, if you take the right section of the path. At the right time.
It just dawned on me that my family went there a few years ago, and my step father on several occasions. Ill drop them a line and see if they have some cool feedback i can add that hasn't already been said or experienced by you or zeph.
@Monkey:Several genocides, ethnic cleansings, and wars wouldn't have happened mostly.
Its easy to sit back and judge a bad history, but we all have them. If you bother going into 'what if' scenarios you might it was the lesser of two evils. Plus i think back in the times of superpower expansion that if one side didnt take that opportunity then another will take its place.
Some countries have just been a vacuum for powerful nations looking for wealth. Hell the US is still doing this way past england learning its lesson/gaining a conscious.
If it isnt already clear i dont condone any of the british empires action back then. I just dont pretend to know how an alternate history could have played out for us all.
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Its easy to sit back and judge a bad history, but we all have them. If you bother going into 'what if' scenarios you might it was the lesser of two evils.
Probably nothing much if empires didn't literally play minorities against majorities entirely on the basis of maintaining their power and misdirecting aggression away from themselves.
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Adding my experiences here.
Thailand x 2
England x 2, Scotland, Wales
Mauritius
US (GA, NY, MA, NJ, DC, MD, NC, SC, FL, AL, LA, NV)
Costa Rica
Israel x 3 ( + East Jerusalem, West Bank and Golan for the nitpickers)
Cambodia
TurkeyThis and a complete childhood spent going everywhere around India. That should count as half of Europe at the very least, lol.
I dunno if I should count Mauritius as Africa when I tally my continent count.
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Soooo I'm hitting up Malaysia in the near future for a visit.
Anyone live there? Been there? Recommend any places to see, people to eat, food to meet?
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My parents visited there a few weeks back. My dad's there right now, I'll ask him for tips.
About people, Malaysia is really diverse, so you might get a lot of variety on your plate. Chinese, Indian, Malay, you can even get some nice expats in the posh areas of KL. Yumm.
If you're interested in religion, this is a cool thing to do there.
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My parents visited there a few weeks back. My dad's there right now, I'll ask him for tips.
About people, Malaysia is really diverse, so you might get a lot of variety on your plate. Chinese, Indian, Malay, you can even get some nice expats in the posh areas of KL. Yumm.
If you're interested in religion, this is a cool thing to do there.
Yeaaaah I saw so many of the pictures of the religious architecture and cool places to go :) I'll be visiting some of them for sure!
Also there's this Bird Sanctuary I want to visit, other than that all I know of is a lot of street food I want to eat, and shopping. Other than that I haven't really found any MUST-SEE sights to put on my itinerary.
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Eating the street food could be quite an adventure for you Canadian tummy though
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My Canadian tummy loves adventure. Now excuse me while I set down this poutine and take a swig of this maple syrup right here.
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Oh i'd probably do the same. Against by better judgement of me internal ecosystem if you know what i mean lol
I mean how often are you in Malaysia, might as well live a little
I would how ever stay away from the fish, if it's from a less reputable source
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Oh i'd probably do the same. Against by better judgement of me internal ecosystem if you know what i mean lol
I mean how often are you in Malaysia, might as well live a little
I would how ever stay away from the fish, if it's from a less reputable source
Apparently people just eat everything in those street food stalls. The conditions look unsanitary, but if people aren't dropping dead everywhere I guess it's okay to go for it.
Take this guy right here:
Every time he reacts to a bite of food he eats I'm all like
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I will note that even though I do eat some of my cultural food with my hands (roti), I will be walking with spoons in my pocket.
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Apparently people just eat everything in those street food stalls. The conditions look unsanitary, but if people aren't dropping dead everywhere I guess it's okay to go for it.
Take this guy right here:Oh how i wish that was true. A local and a tourist could eat the exact same product, cooked in the exactly same manner, and he with his localy tuned stomach could be fine with the germs and yours could have you praying to or sitting on the porcelin god alternatively all night.
However if one is going to gamble a bit with ones stomach you'd better make damn sure it's soooo worth the possible turmoil. No point in sampling something sub-par if it's potentially going to drain you of liquid later that night lol.
But i mean that guy seems to be sitting at a resonably restaurant style place, with some standards. It's not like it's a guy with a make-shift grill slapped on the corner and some fish floating in a brown water filled bin on the side
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Heck even at a reasonable restaurant, things can go quickly wrong simply because you have no idea what they're doing in the back. One word of advice, NEVER eat warm/ lukewarm food at a foreign country even in nice restaurants or buffets. So yeah, eating anywhere for the most part is a gamble (regardless of it being a street stall or not). One just has to be vigilant (ESPECIALLY with water but that should be dead obvious to anyone).
At least with street stalls you can MOSTLY see how they prepare the food and the guy that is doing it. That way it is easier to make the judgement whether to eat there or not. shrug
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Oh how i wish that was true. A local and a tourist could eat the exact same product, cooked in the exactly same manner, and he with his localy tuned stomach could be fine with the germs and yours could have you praying to or sitting on the porcelin god alternatively all night.
However if one is going to gamble a bit with ones stomach you'd better make damn sure it's soooo worth the possible turmoil. No point in sampling something sub-par if it's potentially going to drain you of liquid later that night lol.
But i mean that guy seems to be sitting at a resonably restaurant style place, with some standards. It's not like it's a guy with a make-shift grill slapped on the corner and some fish floating in a brown water filled bin on the side
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Nah, I hear ya. I am a definite sick traveller and I am anticipating some sort of asthma revenge at least, so I definitely won't choose the fish floating in brown water. Or fishes getting all chummy with flies. On second thought, i'll add all those gastrointestinal pills to my shopping list. A lot of them.
Truth be told, I'm not a fish person, so I'm probably going to avoid as much fish as I can. I'm from the Caribbean, and we islanders season our meat to death. Thus, our fish dishes don't even taste like fish. Tastes like seasoned deliciousness.So when I got married to a Chinese dude who wanted me to ingest small chunks of uncooked fish, I quailed. Then worked my way up to maki rolls.
So those fish dishes in the video which are probably seasoned with other fishes and cooked in fish sauce, I'll probably say no. But if it has a lot of lemon, coriander, garlic, etc? I'll consider it.
In conclusion: Hail to the chicken.
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Heck even at a reasonable restaurant, things can go quickly wrong simply because you have no idea what they're doing in the back. One word of advice, NEVER eat warm/ lukewarm food at a foreign country even in nice restaurants or buffets. So yeah, eating anywhere for the most part is a gamble (regardless of it being a street stall or not). One just has to be vigilant (ESPECIALLY with water but that should be dead obvious to anyone).
At least with street stalls you can MOSTLY see how they prepare the food and the guy that is doing it. That way it is easier to make the judgement whether to eat there or not. shrug
Or better yet never eat buffet food ever. It's all leftovers and slung together crap
Which is nice when your at home. But i'll be damned if i'm going to pay for the privilege of eating their old food.
BAHAHAHA!Truth be told, I'm not a fish person, so I'm probably going to avoid as much fish as I can. I'm from the Caribbean, and we islanders season our meat to death. Thus, our fish dishes don't even taste like fish. Tastes like seasoned deliciousness.
So when I got married to a Chinese dude who wanted me to ingest small chunks of uncooked fish, I quailed. Then worked my way up to maki rolls.
So those fish dishes in the video which are probably seasoned with other fishes and cooked in fish sauce, I'll probably say no. But if it has a lot of lemon, coriander, garlic, etc? I'll consider it.
Island girl like Hiroy is i.e born and raised there, or island girl in the same way Foolioasner is Mexican?
Anyhow caribbean rubs and the like seem like they're worth risking ones colon for, atleast if the probably very bastardized version you can buy at the supermarket are any indication
In conclusion: Hail to the chicken.
Chicken is at once my best friend and my worst enemy in the kitchen.
It's always good, and delicious. And if i can't think of anything to do i do something with chicken breast
But it's almost never exciting, and the difference betwenn good quality chicken and good quality fish and meat is enormous
Oh you damn comfort foods that sometimes keep me from experimenting with your tempting goodness
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Island girl like Hiroy is i.e born and raised there, or island girl in the same way Foolioasner is Mexican?
Anyhow caribbean rubs and the like seem like they're worth risking ones colon for, atleast if the probably very bastardized version you can buy at the supermarket are any indication
I'm from the same country as Hiroy, but I was the only one of my family not born there. So I mean I know the food (thanks to mom), I know the culture, I know the language (it really is english btw, for reals), but I don't have the accent, or the tolerance to the hot sun. Damn.
Hmmmm the cultural spice mix thingies never really do justice to the real stuff, but I guess if I needed to give you a description of what caribbean food is, it's an evolved form of Indian food, but a lot of the dishes are hotter (with hot peppers), and has lots of carib local ingredients like coconut, mango, plantain etc. Every dish usually has a base of garlic, onion and coriander as well lol. "Explosion of flavours" in every dish. Nothing bland.
@wolfwoof:
Chicken is at once my best friend and my worst enemy in the kitchen.
It's always good, and delicious. And if i can't think of anything to do i do something with chicken breast
But it's almost never exciting, and the difference betwenn good quality chicken and good quality fish and meat is enormous
Oh you damn comfort foods that sometimes keep me from experimenting with your tempting goodness
Chicken is so freaking versatile. These days I use chicken a lot for fried rices (chinese or
), if I have whole legs I usually do a marinade and then throw it in the oven so you don't have to remove skin, if I have chicken breast I do stir fries in a wok, add veggies and some prepared teriyaki sauce from a bottle, or stews, curry. The only thing I hate about chicken is the smell, ugh. And if you have legs, I HATE having to do so much work to clean the extra skin, fat, the guts in the thigh part, ughhhhh. -
I'm from the same country as Hiroy, but I was the only one of my family not born there. So I mean I know the food (thanks to mom), I know the culture, I know the language (it really is english btw, for reals), but I don't have the accent, or the tolerance to the hot sun. Damn.
Oh fancy that. One of my close friends seem pretty sold on Trinidad and Tobago.
They'll be going there for the fourth time this winter i think. I might have to join them some days when me wallets fat
Hmmmm the cultural spice mix thingies never really do justice to the real stuff, but I guess if I needed to give you a description of what caribbean food is, it's an evolved form of Indian food, but a lot of the dishes are hotter (with hot peppers), and has lots of carib local ingredients like coconut, mango, plantain etc. Every dish usually has a base of garlic, onion and coriander as well lol. "Explosion of flavours" in every dish. Nothing bland.
Yeah i imagine for every thing those spice mixes get right it's outweighed by twice the salt and artificial flavouring jammed in there
Also this is probably super weird. But i find plantain's to be super exotic and interesting. Oh what secrets does that little green banan hold
Chicken is so freaking versatile. These days I use chicken a lot for fried rices (chinese or
), if I have whole legs I usually do a marinade and then throw it in the oven so you don't have to remove skin, if I have chicken breast I do stir fries in a wok, add veggies and some prepared teriyaki sauce from a bottle, or stews, curry. The only thing I hate about chicken is the smell, ugh. And if you have legs, I HATE having to do so much work to clean the extra skin, fat, the guts in the thigh part, ughhhhh.And don't forget the hassle of making sure the raw chicken doesn't contaminate anything else.
Oh why can't you play nice with other foods chicken little
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Oh fancy that. One of my close friends seem pretty sold on Trinidad and Tobago.
They'll be going there for the fourth time this winter i think. I might have to join them some days when me wallets fat
Ah ze homeland. I haven't been back myself for a long time. Definitely do. If you're the partying type, go for carnival. It's….. just look it up :P
Also this is probably super weird. But i find plantain's to be super exotic and interesting. Oh what secrets does that little green banan hold
LOL. They hold a denser, kinda not-as-sweet banana that you have to cook. We usually slice it up and fry it. Mm.
And don't forget the hassle of making sure the raw chicken doesn't contaminate anything else.
Oh why can't you play nice with other foods chicken little
Ew yeah, raw chicken juice. shudder
Wolfwoof, you're my new foodie best friend.
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Ah ze homeland. I haven't been back myself for a long time. Definitely do. If you're the partying type, go for carnival. It's….. just look it up :P
They say it's a nice friendly place. But very heavily into dressing in lycra spandex
And that's kind of my whole understanding of the island lol
LOL. They hold a denser, kinda not-as-sweet banana that you have to cook. We usually slice it up and fry it. Mm.
You tease. Now i have to try 'em
Wolfwoof, you're my new foodie best friend.
Ain't no party like a foodie party cause a foodie party comes catered
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Soooo I'm hitting up Malaysia in the near future for a visit.
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Anyone live there?
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Been there?
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Recommend any places to see, people to eat, food to meet?
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Also hunt down a stall that sells chicken rice with the rice kinda stuck together in little balls. It tastes more or less the same as normal chicken rice but it was an enormous novelty to me as a kid so it's a fond memory
If you've never had chicken rice at an Asian place before though (I don't know what you've got in Canada really :/) just know that the rice will be different.
Also, EAT DURIANS
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OH! If you guys are okay with some discomfort, and you plan to travel between places, definitely check out the firefly tour. I think it's in Kuala Selangor. If memory serves, you get to sit on this little boat that takes you out on a small lake/pond at night and see the fireflies. It really is a sight.
Just make sure you dress comfortably and use a tonnnn of insecticide XD
And if you can manage it at all, try to find a durian plantation. My parents go on a one-day trip every year that brings them to a plantation where they can just eat as much as they want. Only do this after you have actually tried durian so you don't end up wasting your money on sth you absolutely can't stand (which seems to be the case for many many Caucasians).
Also, depending on the hotel(s) you stay in, check the kettle in your room for rust on the pipes at the bottom. Safest bet is to just ask housekeeping for bottled water every day but that might be more tedious for you and most kettles should be fine.
As for service staff... I was kind of surprised every time I went there that many of them don't speak English very well, even simple words, and they still try sometimes to speak to you in Malay even when it's clear you don't know any. There's bound to be people who can speak English around so don't worry too much but just be prepared.
In general you have nothing to worry about really, Malaysia isn't known to be a dangerous or unsafe country in Asia at all. Enjoy really cheap shopping, ALWAYS bargain, make sure you look more irritated than the shopkeeper.
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If you are now building your itinerary from scratch, try to pick hotels that are connected to shopping malls or at least really well located. There are a ton of those, like Makota hotel I think, and the convenience definitely pays off. Shopping malls in Asia close later than in the West so you will definitely be doing late-night shopping. AND AND make sure you check out the night markets (pasar malams), go in a t-shirt and shorts (not too short, Malaysia isn't that safe - I think I wore a dress and it was fine) and keep your bag close to you and brace yourself for crowds and sharp lights and people sweating and shouting at you and one of the best shopping experiences you can have even if you don't buy anything
The night markets will probably be one of the best places to pick up your souvenirs, too. And don't underestimate its variety. I went this June and next to a simple table selling cheap belts and stationery was a woman with only one arm (and it ended at her wrist) doing calligraphy on scrolls on the spot, for a price that you decide on yourself. We went to her and my parents told her their Chinese names and she effortlessly wrote a customised poem about a relationship full of godly love (we told her we were Christians), with my parents names hidden in it like a trick you see in some shows (where like something is supposed to be read vertically but if you read a horizontal line you find something new). The scroll now hangs in our house and it's one of the first things we show guests. It was an awesome thing to watch and everything was so high-quality and she was sweating really hard and wearing a wristband on her arm that she used to hold the brush and the wristband looked like it had been worn for a year but she looked really professional and even happy about what she was doing. It was really really great, I hope you find something like that too~
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For food, there's really a toooon to try and I'm not sure what you've already tried since you do so much Asian cooking. The snacks will probably be new for you and they're sold everywhere so make sure you try them! Also I'm not sure how spicy you usually take your food but Malaysian chilli will be hotter than the average standard in a lot of Western countries. Don't let that turn you off at all, many dishes come with chilli as a standard but you can ask for it to be put to the side.
In case of an altercation put your husband at the forefront, if Malaysians feel like they're being challenged or looked down on by a Caucasian or they're flustered and confused by an accent, they might overreact or decide not to serve you. I really doubt you'll have any problems (besides people trying to rip off the rich-looking Westerners) but juuuuuuust in case. Since he's Chinese, he'll blend in quite easily and might have an easier time of it. Though I'm sure your face is prettier so who knows :D
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In case of an altercation put your husband at the forefront, if Malaysians feel like they're being challenged or looked down on by a Caucasian or they're flustered and confused by an accent, they might overreact or decide not to serve you. I really doubt you'll have any problems (besides people trying to rip off the rich-looking Westerners) but juuuuuuust in case. Since he's Chinese, he'll blend in quite easily and might have an easier time of it. Though I'm sure your face is prettier so who knows :D
Femme ain't white, and she's visibly Muslim so she's probably even more likely to fit in than hubby.
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As for service staff… I was kind of surprised every time I went there that many of them don't speak English very well, even simple words, and they still try sometimes to speak to you in Malay even when it's clear you don't know any. There's bound to be people who can speak English around so don't worry too much but just be prepared.
This is something that amazes me. That it has become natural and expected for one to be able to communicate in English abroad.
I mean this is probably just me being a small nation guy but i wouldn't go abroad and expect anybody to accomodate my lack of language skills.
If i go somewhere i want to be able to talk to people, if not what's the point?
Half gesturing and having slow conversations in broken English doesn't seem like much of a way to travel
For food, there's really a toooon to try and I'm not sure what you've already tried since you do so much Asian cooking. The snacks will probably be new for you and they're sold everywhere so make sure you try them! Also I'm not sure how spicy you usually take your food but Malaysian chilli will be hotter than the average standard in a lot of Western countries. Don't let that turn you off at all, many dishes come with chilli as a standard but you can ask for it to be put to the side.
The great spice-off. Which is the hottest nation on earth, Malaysia or Trinidad & Tobago
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amazing advice
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@Monkey:
Femme ain't white, and she's visibly Muslim so she's probably even more likely to fit in than hubby.
Tis true. I like to describe my skin colour as "golden brown" - just right ;D
@wolfwoof:
The great spice-off. Which is the hottest nation on earth, Malaysia or Trinidad & Tobago
T&T you better believe it. Though I haven't met the level of the royal highnesses of hotness (my mom and sister), most "spicy" foods aren't hot for me. But for my older family, it's not uncommon for them to eat 3-4 incredibly hot "bird peppers" or.. these tiny.. little chili-like peppers per meal. I don't understand how they do it, their taste buds must be dead. We use the "scotch bonnet" peppers for sauces and food too.
Since my family is so multicultural I really understand how growing up with spice makes your palette accustomed to hotness. It's interesting that if a person's food growing up never contained hot peppers/spice, they will find it painful, but to those who have, the .. pain is good o.o
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@wolfwoof:
The great spice-off. Which is the hottest nation on earth, Malaysia or Trinidad & Tobago
India looks on with an indulgent smile as the little children splash around.
@Femme:Tis true. I like to describe my skin colour as "golden brown" - just right ;D
Are you Indo-Trinidadian? That is hella interesting!
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Since my family is so multicultural I really understand how growing up with spice makes your palette accustomed to hotness. It's interesting that if a person's food growing up never contained hot peppers/spice, they will find it painful, but to those who have, the .. pain is good o.o
I've been wondering about that. I mean if i ate one of those monster chilipeppers, like the ghost pepper it'd actually physically damage my body.
Interesting how someone can seemingly harden their stomaches and build up tolerance
India looks on with an indulgent smile as the little children splash around.
Are you Indo-Trinidadian? That is hella interesting!And yet i've never had any truly spicy Indian food
Quit bogarting the good stuff you stingy Indian restaurants
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Right I forgot you would blend in really well too. Great then :D And I wasn't thinking straight, the spicy thing should be just fine for you :D Take pictures of ALL your food, I want to see what you try! And if you do decide to try to find durian let me know I will impart even more knowledge to you
@wolfy I guess it's cause Malaysia is so close to Singapore, if you enter a crowded shopping mall like a quarter to one half of the people in there would more than likely be Singaporeans so at some point it started feeling like a normal shopping mall back home for me whenever I went there. So I got a little startled just a couple of times if I said " 36" or so-and-so colour and the staff didn’t know that much. Malaysia has a ton of Chinese and English-speaking people and I think they usually speak English decently in a lot of service places besides retail.
(I wouldn't challenge cooldud, Indian spicy is on a different level and really I can't take it though it is SO GOOD)
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Taxis! You will basically just not be taking any public transport there, so you'll probably take at least one cab. Most of the time it's pretty safe, but as always in a foreign country make sure the meter is running. Don't be afraid to ask if the taxi has a meter before you agree to get in one. Just approach one and say "Meter?" They'll get it. Otherwise you will most likely get ripped off. Sometimes the driver might suggest a price to you for your route. What my parents do sometimes is if they have already cabbed a particular route before and already know that the price quoted is reasonable, they just take it. So remember roughly how much your trips cost, it could come in handy. Otherwise find a taxi with a meter. It shouldn't be too hard to find one really. The drivers themselves won't do you any harm really, some of them have amusing tricks like putting up religious thingies up in their cab to connect to their passengers to try to curry favour and get a tip. Not at all necessary. XD
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Um, yeah. I got really sick, sorry for having to bump this thread again.
Are you Indo-Trinidadian? That is hella interesting!
! Yup! Trinidad & Tobago actually comprises of many different races which were brought in long ago as indentured servants - India, Africa. A lot of Chinese came in for businesses as well. It's really interesting since in current times all of those races have now mixed together, so I have chinese cousins (who are themselves mixed with chinese & indian) for example. The Aboriginals still exist to some degree as well, called the Caribs and the Arawaks (though they're quite mixed as well). In other islands in the Caribbean there are larger groups of Caribs, one being Dominica (No, not Dominican Republic) that has a huge Carib community still there which live off in the wilderness and keep to themselves.
! T&T was conquered by Spain (Christopher Columbus), then Britain, then became independent, so there's remnants of spanish and british culture within. French, too. (a lot of the local language uses french and spanish words, it's pretty cool.) Trinidad was also used as a military base by the Americans during WWII, I remember my dad telling me that my Grandfather worked in kitchens to serve the soldiers at the time.
! Yeah, it's a nice little island.@wolfwoof:
I've been wondering about that. I mean if i ate one of those monster chilipeppers, like the ghost pepper it'd actually physically damage my body.
Interesting how someone can seemingly harden their stomaches and build up tolerance
! No, I think the "ghost pepper" will actually damage anyone lol. I think I heard people started getting nosebleeds or worse from trying out that thing. shudder Yeah, it's all building up tolerance over time. Like for example, my mom would cook spicy food when I was a kid, but would make it suuuper mild enough so I can handle it, and then as I grew up started increasing the heat. I think an important rite of passage in my family is when a kid reaches the age when they ask for a pepper on the side, or extra hot sauce lol, everyone goes like "O_O OMG. YOU?!??!" Hahahaa. I remember the first time my husband asked for pepper sauce, I was so proud of him <3 xD
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Right I forgot you would blend in really well too. Great then :D And I wasn't thinking straight, the spicy thing should be just fine for you :D Take pictures of ALL your food, I want to see what you try! And if you do decide to try to find durian let me know I will impart even more knowledge to you
! OMG I SO WILL. I love taking pictures of food :D Eeeee! And yes Trappy, I promise: I will definitely try Durian. JUST FOR YOU <3
I miiiight blend in but maybe not. Malaysians have a specific hijab style, and I don't wear that style. Their clothes are all really cottony and bright colours, which isn't how we rolll hurr. But we'll see :D
! > (I wouldn't challenge cooldud, Indian spicy is on a different level and really I can't take it though it is SO GOOD)
! I'll take your word for it :sad: I don't want to lose my tastebuds, man.
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! LOL that is hilarious, but sad.
Ooooo that is actually advice I was looking for, about transportation. All I've heard about getting around is "just walk". Are taxis affordable? Are there buses? How do you get a taxi from a certain location? Let's say I go to the firefly viewing thingy (SOUNDS SO COOL!), do you flag them down on the street at night when you wanna go home? -
Trinidad and Tobago is where K-os is from, and that's enough for me to worship it.
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@Monkey:
Trinidad and Tobago is where K-os is from, and that's enough for me to worship it.
Seriously!? I didn't know that! I heard some of his newer stuff recently, he's still so good.
But regrettably… with pride often comes shame..
! Onika Tanya Maraj (born December 8, 1982),[2][3] known by her stage name Nicki Minaj (/mɪˈnɑːʒ/), is a Trinidadian-born American rapper, singer, songwriter…
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All hail Trinidad, also wake up idiot countrymen of mine to how good this dude is.
Oh? You enjoy genre mixed light-footed warm pop music with a rock basis now? Fun? Gotye? Lumineers? Bruno Mars? MGMT? This is what we're doing now?
That's neat, how about FINALLY FUCKING LETTING K-OS MAKE IT BIG DOWN HERE. He's only been doing all that same stuff and better for about TEN YEARS.
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Seriously. We've taken Justin Bieber, we've taken Nickleback, we even took SIMPLE PLAN.
We've shoved Canada's worst excrement down our throats greedily.
But K-os? No thank you says stupid United States.
Yes.
No.
Yes.
No.
Yes.
Nooope.Christ.
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I remember being like 7, I was new to Canada and made friends with this other Indian looking kid. I was really confused when he said he was from Trinidad.
Also fucking k-os, I bought a ticket to Osheaga, mainly to see him. He played like half a song and then walked out the stage like a diva :/
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I remember being like 7, I was new to Canada and made friends with this other Indian looking kid. I was really confused when he said he was from Trinidad.
Also fucking k-os, I bought a ticket to Osheaga, mainly to see him. He played like half a song and then walked out the stage like a diva :/
ahhaha, he is totally a drama queen though, I won't deny that
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AHAHA SIMPLE PLAN facepalm ughhhhhhh
Yeah for real, K-OS was soooo huge here a few years ago, and being in our Canadian bubble where Crabbuckit was (and still is) on the radio every other second, it didn't occur to me that this guy didn't make it in the US.
Whatever, we'll keep our quality musicians of the era to ourselves. Mhmm.
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Whatever, we'll keep our quality musicians of the era to ourselves. Mhmm.
Broken Social Scene never made it here either which is too bad. (though Feist had a solo hit here???)
But Arcade Fire is definitely popular enough considering.
You guys were doing really good in the last decade, props. Better in rock than snort BRITAIN.
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This song is still my favourite of K-OS's :)
Listen to the song, and picture this:
Early winter, night time. You're relaxing in the passenger seat with the radio on and this song comes on. The car heat is slowly warming up your frozen toes. It's snowing softly, and you're on the highway, passing through the downtown core watching the city lights slowly pass by.
That's what it's like being Canadian.
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@Monkey:
Broken Social Scene never made it here either which is too bad. (though Feist had a solo hit here???)
But Arcade Fire is definitely popular enough considering.
You guys were doing really good in the last decade, props. Better in rock than snort BRITAIN.
Arcade Fire became screamo at some point, I think? Wait…. no no I'm thinking of Alexisonfire. I didn't like them at all.
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When me and my class were in Iceland we had to drive over a snow covered mountain to reach this isolated fishing town where we'd be staying. And as we were coming down the hill, still snow everywhere, with the sun blaring away, we had a big MP3 player with speakers blasting and Valhalla came on and it was like everyone got really quiet lol.
The mix of the music and bright landscape was just wow.If I had to use some local music to describe "what it's like to be from the Tri-State Area". It's a winter night time drive on the I-95 from Bridgeport to Newark with
playing.
would be perfect for that. HAS to be night, HAS to be cold.
Also options.
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@Monkey:
When me and my class were in Iceland we had to drive over a snow covered mountain to reach this isolated fishing town where we'd be staying. And as we were coming down the hill, still snow everywhere, with the sun blaring away, we had a big MP3 player with speakers blasting and Valhalla came on and it was like everyone got really quiet lol.
The mix of the music and bright landscape was just wow.Yeah, woah, I can totally picture it while listening to Valhalla. That's lovely.
If I had to use some local music to describe "what it's like to be from the Tri-State Area". It's a winter night time drive on the I-95 from Bridgeport to Newark with
playing.Something sinister and emotional is going on in the tri-state area :o Possibly anarchic. Without knowing the lyrics at all, feels like a "forget your worries for a moment, and just don't give a shit about anything" type of song.
I dunno.
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Yeah, woah, I can totally picture it while listening to Valhalla. That's lovely.
Something sinister and emotional is going on in the tri-state area :o Possibly anarchic. Without knowing the lyrics at all, feels like a "forget your worries for a moment, and just don't give a shit about anything" type of song.
I dunno.
Lyrics shymrics XD
and flavors.
It's mostly the sound, the noisy busy hectic edge of things. Raw and gritty a bit, but also sort of deliriously amazing and huge.
Sonic Youth is definitely the darker side of the area, but there's beauty in their songs too at least to me.
If you want the light side, throw Springsteen on.
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T&T gave the world this guy. So they automatically become a top nation.
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T&T gave the world this guy. So they automatically become a top nation.
Can't forget Ellie Mannette.
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! > OMG I SO WILL. I love taking pictures of food :D Eeeee! And yes Trappy, I promise: I will definitely try Durian. JUST FOR YOU <3
! Whoo I look forward to seeing your photos :D:D Just hold on to your camera tightly, haha. And hah awesome! A couple of basic tips: Don't touch the durian shell. Ever. EVER. A slight brush probably won't do you any harm but it's very heavy so if you try to carry or hold the durian (unless you hold it only by the stalk), the spikes will probably hurt you. Always let the store guy with the nice thick gloves handle them. Your only job is to take out the seeds and nom away.
! Basically there are two "types" of flavours - sweet and bitter. Just tell the store guy what kind you want, they have some magical way of looking at the shell of a durian and knowing what kind it is. All I see is green. XD I prefer sweet but that miiiiiight be more overpowering so it's up to your taste preferences! Most durian sellers put in some effort into finding the kind of durian you want. Don't be surprised if they make a crack in a durian to look inside before giving it to you, it's a common practice. If a durian seller immediately gives you the first durian in the pile without questions, he's probably not serving you right. Durians have "brands" too, so you can ask about D24 and "Mao shan wang" (but check the prices first to make sure you're willing to spend). You might encounter a food item that uses durian rather than a durian itself, like durian puffs or durian ice-cream. These could be good for you to try out first, to have some expectation of what the flavour is like before you dive into the real thing. You don't have to though.
! @Femme:
! > Ooooo that is actually advice I was looking for, about transportation. All I've heard about getting around is "just walk". Are taxis affordable? Are there buses? How do you get a taxi from a certain location? Let's say I go to the firefly viewing thingy (SOUNDS SO COOL!), do you flag them down on the street at night when you wanna go home?
! You can walk yeah, especially if you've got a well-located hotel. The taxis are pretty affordable, just be cautious of scams and don't let them bully you. If you start to walk away they will usually give in to you at least a little. If you're leaving from your hotel, just ask the reception for advice on how to walk somewhere or where you can flag a taxi from. Or they might flag a taxi for you. If you're already out, you can flag a taxi from pretty much anywhere; there are taxi stands but you don't have to use only those. In touristy areas, taxi drivers sometimes loiter around the entrance/exit waiting for people to finish their shopping/whatever so that will be really convenient for you. Again, just remember to ask about the meter/price first.
! Public buses and trains are extremely uncommon in Malaysia. I've been there every year for half my lifespan and never taken a public bus or train there. I don't even remember seeing one. So taxis and walking will basically be your main mode of transportation :)
! Unfortunately, the firefly place is rather isolated and it'd be really difficult to flag down a passing taxi. I did a really quick search and found a TA review with some suggestions here: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g1777471-d2181234-Reviews-Kampung_Kuantan_Firefly_Park-Kuala_Selangor_Selangor.html
! > The best way is to find a taxi in Kuala Lumpur, that will drive you to the park, wait you there, and get back to KL. Go to the street far from 5-star hotels and KLCC to find a taxi with good price. Stop red or green official taxi (or you can find them near supermarkets or office centers), tell the driver you need to go to Firefly Park (kelip-kelip) to Kuala Selangor, and then come back. How much would it cost? He can tell you 300-500 RM. Lower the price to 250 RM - it is an absolutely normal price (may be even lower, some people agreed on 200 or 220 RM). If it is not ok for the driver - find the next car. It will take you about 15-20 minutes to find a taxi. After you come to an agreement, ask him, what is the very latest hour, when you should drive from Kuala Selangor. We adreed on 10 p.m. The way from KL to Selangor takes about 1-1,5 hours (depending on traffic), there are pay roads there, but taxi pays tolls itself.
! (You probably don't need to be told this, but just in case, if you want the price to be 250, make your first pitch significantly lower than that. XD)
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Daw. Missed the whole convo on Trinidad and Tobago.
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No, I think the "ghost pepper" will actually damage anyone lol. I think I heard people started getting nosebleeds or worse from trying out that thing. shudder Yeah, it's all building up tolerance over time. Like for example, my mom would cook spicy food when I was a kid, but would make it suuuper mild enough so I can handle it, and then as I grew up started increasing the heat. I think an important rite of passage in my family is when a kid reaches the age when they ask for a pepper on the side, or extra hot sauce lol, everyone goes like "O_O OMG. YOU?!??!" Hahahaa. I remember the first time my husband asked for pepper sauce, I was so proud of him <3 xD
One of my friends ate one as a dare. I've never seen a person in more obvious, sobbing, moaning pain, even her tears were burning her
But peppar sauce eh. What's in that? Other than peppers that is
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Daw. Missed the whole convo on Trinidad and Tobago.
Sorry mang :( hands you a doubles as consolation
@wolfwoof:
One of my friends ate one as a dare. I've never seen a person in more obvious, sobbing, moaning pain, even her tears were burning her
But peppar sauce eh. What's in that? Other than peppers that is
Hm I kinda want to try it now. Sounds like a challenge. Or at least i'd smell it.
Pepper sauce! You know…. pepper sauce! I guess people call it hot sauce? When I make it at home I use peppers, ketchup, lemon, garlic, coriander, salt, pepper. Grinded all up and saucy. Dip my chicken in it. Yum.
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Make sure you videotape the attempt, you could make some money on youtube with that
Oh i follow you now, i just got mixed because when i say pepper i mean as in salt and pepper. Not chili pepper, which i call chili
Got turned around there for a sec
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