would have been funny if he did that to the king when they first met but he already knew hyou…
it would have been to early for that joke and it wouldn't play well with overall situation
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Chapter 362 (Major Spoiler)
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it would have been to early for that joke and it wouldn't play well with overall situation
yeah, i guess so… the king was way too serious back then
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Chapter 362 (Major Spoiler)
16 chars of Cant see it :p
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Chapter 362 (Major Spoiler)
From what I gather (because I can't read any chinese text) is that the image link is broken or has expired….
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Looks like it's an expired link since it was working earlier. The raw is out now at senmanga.
! Chapter ends with Kyou Kai stabbing Ren. Or basically how Shin stabbed Rinko through the chest but from behind. So it looks like Kyou Kai will be going back to the Hi Shin unit finally after all this time.
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No scanned chapters until the 27th. The head guys PC broke.
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Man, no Kingdom, Magi, and One Piece this week? This is going to be a long week.
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Man, no Kingdom, Magi, and One Piece this week? This is going to be a long week.
you have naruto, bleach and fairytail to enjoy instead, huhuhuhuhuhu.
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you have naruto, bleach and fairytail to enjoy instead, huhuhuhuhuhu.
enjoy they said, it would be fun they said… lol
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Kingdom scans are back my friends!!! Hurray!!!!
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It's amazing how quickly Ten has turned from comic relief character to serious fucking threat in a few chapters. It goes to show how foreshadowing and good writing can go a long way.
Also I hope Yan General dude gives a good showing and doesn't just get OTKed.
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@Thousand:
Also I hope Yan General dude gives a good showing and doesn't just get OTKed.
Yan guy won't be around for very long.
! Houken kills him 2 chapters from now.
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Anyone with that sort of setup and basically saying "oh np i beat a few bushins back in my day" is just asking to get axed
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Why was chapter 250.1 a side story?
It looked to me like it was the equivalent of 2 legit chapters.
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@Commander:
Why was chapter 250.1 a side story?
It looked to me like it was the equivalent of 2 legit chapters.It was a side story chapter released after chapter 342. Turnipfarmers did the translation for it now since it falls timelinewise after Ten rejoins the group.
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It was a side story chapter released after chapter 342. Turnipfarmers did the translation for it now since it falls timelinewise after Ten rejoins the group.
OK,thanks
That's a good call on their part,the side story is way more interesting to read that way,you can read it as if it was a regular chapter. -
@Commander:
OK,thanks
That's a good call on their part,the side story is way more interesting to read that way,you can read it as if it was a regular chapter.Specifically, iirc it was the one shot published in shonen jump a few months back.
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It was published in Young Jump after chapter 342. Young Jump is basically the seinen version of Shonen Jump which Kingdom is serialized in.
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Yan guy won't be around for very long.
! Houken kills him 2 chapters from now.
Ugh, I knew he was going to get killed (it was pretty obvious) but I was hoping a guy touted to be as strong as a Great Heaven would have been more to the story than just fodder to hype up Riboku and Houken more. Actually show some high level strategy, fighting prowess and give some emotional drama.
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Yan guy won't be around for very long.
! Houken kills him 2 chapters from now.
! Houken is starting to feel like a bad version of kenpachi. kenpachi would never work in a setting heavily centered around tactics and strategy.
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It was published in Young Jump after chapter 342. Young Jump is basically the seinen version of Shonen Jump which Kingdom is serialized in.
! http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/10/27/k/read526d3eb864345/img000034.png
Yes yes I'm quite aware of what Young Jump is thank you very much.
I'm also aware that around when 342 was released this year, Kingdom had a one shot published in WSJ. I'm pretty sure Turnip Farmers meant to say Weekly Shonen Jump for it, because I definitely remember reading the raw scan for this when it came out.
http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=28240&p=2901417&viewfull=1#post2901417
Back in the day when barely anyone here knew what Kingdom was until Aohige enlightened us.
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! Houken is starting to feel like a bad version of kenpachi. kenpachi would never work in a setting heavily centered around tactics and strategy.
Well, living in a world where going Leeroy Jenkins can only take you so far (ahem Shin) does that to a person. Both aren't invincible so why not tag-team now?
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@Thousand:
Ugh, I knew he was going to get killed (it was pretty obvious) but I was hoping a guy touted to be as strong as a Great Heaven would have been more to the story than just fodder to hype up Riboku and Houken more. Actually show some high level strategy, fighting prowess and give some emotional drama.
Ribuko hinted that Yan is only a set up for what his master plan. The next war is going to have all those 3 things you want.
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@Purple:
Yes yes I'm quite aware of what Young Jump is thank you very much.
I'm also aware that around when 342 was released this year, Kingdom had a one shot published in WSJ. I'm pretty sure Turnip Farmers meant to say Weekly Shonen Jump for it, because I definitely remember reading the raw scan for this when it came out.
http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=28240&p=2901417&viewfull=1#post2901417
Back in the day when barely anyone here knew what Kingdom was until Aohige enlightened us.
Oh yeah forgot about that. Looks like they screwed up and put the wrong magazine.
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Well, living in a world where going Leeroy Jenkins can only take you so far (ahem Shin) does that to a person. Both aren't invincible so why not tag-team now?
I meant how houken can just instantly kill squads or great generals (well Kyou and Yan). It disregards the army tactics that's a large element of the series. Sure, the other commanders or generals do it but nowhere near as much as houken does. They at least lead armies. Houken just sneaks into the enemy camp, cuts like 20 men per swing and then kills the commander.
That and it also degrades the name of great generals if it get used for cheap hyping. Basically what Thousand Lion Chan said.
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I meant how houken can just instantly kill squads or great generals (well Kyou and Yan). It disregards the army tactics that's a large element of the series. Sure, the other commanders or generals do it but nowhere near as much as houken does. They at least lead armies. Houken just sneaks into the enemy camp, cuts like 20 men per swing and then kills the commander.
That and it also degrades the name of great generals if it get used for cheap hyping. Basically what Thousand Lion Chan said.
I agree with you on the second part but Houken is and foremost an individual fighter. He's good at fighting by himself and if that strength is utilized correctly (ala Riboku) that is a tactic in and by itself. You can't expect an antisocial loner to instantly lead an army (and the soldiers to willingly allow themselves to be lead by this bum) and fully submit to Riboku's whims/strategies now can you?
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I'm not complaining about how he's used tactically or whatever, I'm complaining that he doesn't fit because his character completely disregards armies and is overpowered. At least shin or any other commander would lead a squad. Houken leads no squads and furthermore can solo a squad of say 20 or so soldiers per swing. Houken went into the enemy camp twice and slew the soldiers causally. The guy's combat ability is broken.
Broken, as in can easily kill a great generals in one hit. Yes, he had trouble with Ouki, but not Kyou or Yan.
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20 is an overstatement. 4 or 5 in one swing at the most.
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I'm not complaining about how he's used tactically or whatever, I'm complaining that he doesn't fit because his character completely disregards armies and is overpowered. At least shin or any other commander would lead a squad. Houken leads no squads and furthermore can solo a squad of say 20 or so soldiers per swing. Houken went into the enemy camp twice and slew the soldiers causally. The guy's combat ability is broken.
Broken, as in can easily kill a great generals in one hit. Yes, he had trouble with Ouki, but not Kyou or Yan.
I feel like I'm just repeating myself here.Well I apologize if I'm forcing you to do this but I just trying to address your points.
Nearly everyone can agree that Houken is a monster, the author even assigns him the highest battle strength stat we've seen in the whole series so of course he going to the most broken general we've seen so far. Fodder is called fodder for a reason so the strength gap between the high class fighters (Ouki, Houken, Renpa, Duke Hyou, Moubu etc) and the fodders is ridiculously big so you can expect those mooks to fall like flies before any of those generals. Again, Houken is a loner and his leadership skills are almost non-existent so he does whatever the hell he wants most of the time whether the Zhao army follows him or not. He is not trained in warfare so he doesn't know the value or whatever of leading an army/squad. "Comrades? What the fuck is that? Soldiers? More like ants holding me back. "
I kinda hate to discuss power levels here but I think it is needed in this discussion.! Houken kills that Yan guy in one hit or whatever because of hype and power levels. The Yan guy had a battle strength of 90 (source http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2315741026) while Houken had 100. He had trouble with Ouki because Ouki had 98 battle strength whereas Kyou had 94 battle strength and managed to put up a better fight to wound Houken. Houken is not untouchable because there are more similarly powerful people out there (Duke Hyou has 95 battle strength, Tou 96, Renpa 97, Moubu with 99 and the Chu general he fights in the next arc also has 99). With the demonstrated exception of the Duke, those people will probably give Houken a run for his money. Houken is broken at THIS POINT of the story but he is not invincible. I think Aohige stated a few pages back that the Shin/Houken fight foreshadows Houken's downfall. In that fight Shin managed to over power Houken (he had a broken arm) with at best 95 battle strength.
I will end this by saying Houken is broken but not as much as you think. He is a highly specialized fighter that fills a certain niche in war that will exhibit and maybe accentuate his combat ability. His unique nature/background in comparison to other battle strength oriented generals also seems to emphasize his combat abilities more so than anything else (Moubu, among other combat generals, can't do what Houken does because he is accountable to his superiors whereas Houken can just say "fuck you, I'm a bushin and you're not" to Riboku/his superiors if he gets into trouble.). -
I'm pretty sure they had a whole chapter devoted to discussing how logic defying Houken is and how whole armies are supposed to have tactics devoted to defeating thousands of other men while one man getting through everyone without a scratch is ridiculous.
I mean seriously, that's kinda what he represents. He's the "crystallization of martial skill" that doesn't really understand warfare but is a serious monster against a mass of forces. I don't really remember Yasuhira drawing out his fight with Kyou, but Houken does make mention that she was someone of incredible warfare prowess, so while Houken might not have gotten a scratch, it doesn't detract from Kyou necessarily, especially when you're caught by surprise. But pretty much in every instance of his showing up, he's kinda the guy that's there to demonstrate that having super strength still isn't enough to be a true "great general." Whether it be his fight against ouki or later on, Houken's "bushin" abilities are inadequate for being a leader. Even Kyoukai, whose tribe of priestess-god contacting abilities were secluded from the rest of society, has a much greater handle on warfare tactics in combination with her general superpowers.
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Ribuko hinted that Yan is only a set up for what his master plan. The next war is going to have all those 3 things you want.
Oh I know what's coming next. Still I wish more from the world that the author created than to have the uber elite characters of this world reduced to fodder. Imagine if in One Piece, a Shickibukai we just got introduced to got taken out by an Emperor just like that. Story-wise it makes sense but I'd rather that uber elite character was developed and explored and not just used for fodder.
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@Thousand:
Oh I know what's coming next. Still I wish more from the world that the author created than to have the uber elite characters of this world reduced to fodder. Imagine if in One Piece, a Shickibukai we just got introduced to got taken out by an Emperor just like that. Story-wise it makes sense but I'd rather that uber elite character was developed and explored and not just used for fodder.
It may not have been the best time to hype him up, but I'd suspect Yasuhira needed some way to get some sort of excitement for the Yan state that we've seen literally nothing from for the upcoming arc. It was inevitable, however, because in history, General Ju Xin (Geki Shin) was defeated by Pang Nuan (Houken) in 241 BC
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@Purple:
so while Houken might not have gotten a scratch, it doesn't detract from Kyou necessarily, especially when you're caught by surprise.
Don't want to nitpick but she did manage to wound him three times (http://www.mangahere.com/manga/kingdom/v16/c165/6.html). But yeah, the dude has mad skills in martial arts and not much else.
People are probably annoyed or worried that the dude is too overpowered in terms of strength that will negatively affect the story. He's not invincible (He's no Aizen) so he'll die sooner or later. -
@Thousand:
Oh I know what's coming next. Still I wish more from the world that the author created than to have the uber elite characters of this world reduced to fodder. Imagine if in One Piece, a Shickibukai we just got introduced to got taken out by an Emperor just like that. Story-wise it makes sense but I'd rather that uber elite character was developed and explored and not just used for fodder.
This isn't the right place for this but I'm pretty sure this is Moria's backstory.
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i really like the discussion we have here and would like to adress some points which arent exactly flattering for Kingdom as a manga but i still enjoy it the same.
Lets start with Houken. As a character he is way too broken and if his downfall was handled differently it could be acceptable but In the end he falls due to sheer power and thats a flaw imo(next i write why i think its a flaw). The only way his death could have been acceptable if he died from Ten devising a strategy to bring him down with a relatively small army of fodders like 100 men for example to show that strategy beats pure strength.
Next is Shin. At this point of the story his dream of becoming the greatest general is nonexistent. He might as well change his dream to strongest person(as an individual) in the world and have a fight with Houken for the title. Let me explain what i mean after shin first gets promoted to 100-man commander Ouki throws him to a village and makes him survive that. when we see him again its clear that shin has survived that and learned how to command 100 men and use strategies in a small group (thats a progress). same thing happens when he gets promoted to 300 man commander(still progress). After he gets promoted to 1000 man commander we see many flaws with no space for progress. First we see that he cant command and use this unit so as far as commanding goes he reached his peak as a 300-man commander therefore he cant actually match the likes of Ouki, Renpa etc. I know that we had to reintroduce Ten into the story but even so Renpa shows that despite having expert individuals under your command(his 4 commanders) Renpa can lead armies himself. I know i may sound absolute but the story made it so that if there isnt Ten and kyokai he is doomed.
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Lets start with Houken. As a character he is way too broken and if his downfall was handled differently it could be acceptable but In the end he falls due to sheer power and thats a flaw imo(next i write why i think its a flaw). The only way his death could have been acceptable if he died from Ten devising a strategy to bring him down with a relatively small army of fodders like 100 men for example to show that strategy beats pure strength.
For story purposes and manga cliches or whatever, I feel that Shin has to be the one to take Houken down. Otherwise, it would just feel wrong or anticlimactic if someone else took him down. I would love to see Moubu vs Houken but Houken has been set up as the ultimate (so far) physical/combat opponent for Shin to overcome and it would just be wrong for Ten to seemingly take Shin's glory. I agree with you that strategy needs to be utilized to take him down but it would wrong for Houken to fall to Ten's strategy without even fighting Shin. I feel that best way to combine the two (Ten's strategy and Shin's strength) is to take the similar route Mouten did in the second Wei war (setting up Shin/Ouhon to face Rinko but also decimating Rinko's troops beforehand). BTW Houken is not as broken as people might think. I feel that way because out of all the opponents he has faced, only Ouki was more or less a match for his battle strength. Kyou and Kyoukai were more along the lines of technique/speed fighters and of course were no match for Houken's brute strength combined with his technique and speed.
! Duke Hyou and rematch Shin had bursts of strength where they overwhelmed him, but Duke Hyou died and Houken retreated before he could finish his duel with Shin
Next is Shin. At this point of the story his dream of becoming the greatest general is nonexistent. He might as well change his dream to strongest person(as an individual) in the world and have a fight with Houken for the title. Let me explain what i mean after shin first gets promoted to 100-man commander Ouki throws him to a village and makes him survive that. when we see him again its clear that shin has survived that and learned how to command 100 men and use strategies in a small group (thats a progress). same thing happens when he gets promoted to 300 man commander(still progress). After he gets promoted to 1000 man commander we see many flaws with no space for progress. First we see that he cant command and use this unit so as far as commanding goes he reached his peak as a 300-man commander therefore he cant actually match the likes of Ouki, Renpa etc. I know that we had to reintroduce Ten into the story but even so Renpa shows that despite having expert individuals under your command(his 4 commanders) Renpa can lead armies himself. I know i may sound absolute but the story made it so that if there isnt Ten and kyokai he is doomed.
I have to disagree with you on Shin's leadership. He is the captain of his troops, which makes him the physical/mental pillar of the group. Back in the Zhao war, Bihei even said that even though the guys were bogged down by the Zhao and were tired, every slash made by Shin gave them the energy to fight on. He might be stupid with no aptitude for grand strategy, but whether the unit pulls through or not is dependent on him. He is not great general level in leadership skills but this idiot can sure rally and lead troops. Ten's reintroduction into the story was just to show that his leadership can only take him and his unit so far without a capable strategist to help him. Shin is not doubt the central pillar supporting his troops and therefore the commanding of the unit rests on his shoulders but now that Shin's in charge of more men, of course he needs a strategist to help him effectively lead the unit. Moubu is kinda what I imagine Shin will more or less become like in the future. Both are battle oriented commanders who solely rely on their brute strength to rally their troops but of course Shin will be more open-minded to strategies than Moubu. If Moubu could make it this far with his brute strength, Shin could surpass him because he has Ten by his side.
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@gatekeepr. You couldnt be more wrong about moubu. In several occasions we have comments that he isnt just brute force as many might think but has a good understanding of strategy as well. Even Ouki commented on that
shin shouldnt be so helpless without Ten or kyokai in his company otherwise it just make him just useless without them. He doesnt have to be the best strategist or even a good one he just have to have a good instict and be able to lead his troops in any kind of situation and overcome it. So many defeats because he is lacking a strategist are unacceptable imo especially if you aim to be a general. A great general should be able to lead any kind of troups he is given. He should be able to take an army of total strangers and overcome his opponents. Your example of Zhao war is a bad one because like i said shin was a good commander when it came down to 100 and 300 men because he was self trained to do so thanks to Ouki. We clearly saw that in order to learn to fight with 100 men shin had to devise strategies to win his enemies given the troops he had there is a clear difference between then and now. ofc he is the physical/metal pillar of his group so far in the story the only thing that matters is to defeat the commander to win the enemy even if he is just a commander in name. even if the time the commander falls the enemy outnumbers you 100 to 1 if he falls its a lose per say. that was demonstrated well in several occasions so that kind of thing shouldnt matter. Shin should be able to use strategies especially if he wants to proceed to a higher level than 1000 man commander.
I will say it again unless Houken falls to strategy devised by someone his character will remain broken. Nothing will change my mind on this matter
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@gatekeepr. You couldnt be more wrong about moubu. In several occasions we have comments that he isnt just brute force as many might think but has a good understanding of strategy as well. Even Ouki commented on that
Well of course Moubu isn't all brute strength, he has a grasp of warfare unlike Houken but most of his battle screen time is devoted to showcasing his battle strength. He disregarded the traps that Chousou set up for him thinking that his brute strength could overcome it. He did use a tactic for raising his troop's morale in the first two days of the Zhao War so I'll give him that but he is first and foremost a brute strength general that has somewhat good instincts as a result of his war experiences. Just because he has a grasp of strategy doesn't mean he'll utilize it in the most effective way.
shin shouldnt be so helpless without Ten or kyokai in his company otherwise it just make him just useless without them. He doesnt have to be the best strategist or even a good one he just have to have a good instict and be able to lead his troops in any kind of situation and overcome it. So many defeats because he is lacking a strategist are unacceptable imo especially if you aim to be a general. Your example of Zhao war is a bad one because like i said shin was a good commander when it came down to 100 and 300 men because he was self trained to do so thanks to Ouki. We clearly saw that in order to learn to fight with 100 men shin had to devise strategies to win his enemies given the troops he had there is a clear difference between then and now. ofc he is the physical/metal pillar of his group so far in the story the only thing that matters is to defeat the commander to win the enemy even if he is just a commander in name or even if the time the commander fell the enemy outnumber you 100 to 1 if he falls its a lose per say. that was demonstrated well in several occasions so that kind of thing shouldnt matter. Shin should be able to use strategies especially if he wants to proceed to a higher level than 1000 man commander.
Yes, I concede that Shin is mostly useless without Ten or Kyoukai now that he is in charge of more men and is an independent unit. But you have to consider that Shin is still a greenhorn in terms of war experiences and his rise to 1000 man commander is rather rapid. How he got to be a 1000 man commander also reflects how he will approach war. His merits were earned through generous doses of Leeroy Jenkins and duels with famous/strong enemy commanders set up with outside influences (Baku Koshin, Ouki, Mouten, and chance encounters). Because his achievements were earned in such a manner, he is still too inexperienced to consider correctly using strategy himself so he needs someone else to do it for him. I agree that for him to be a great general, he needs more development in the strategy department but since he is an idiot and now has Ten, it'll take a long time before he develops a mind for strategy, if at all.
! He's been promoted to 3000 man commander in the raws. He managed to kill Mangoku as part of the Duke Hyou unit and put up an impressive duel with Houken whilst defending Zui. Didn't seem like Shin used any strategy in these accomplishments other than the Leeroy Jenkins.
I will say it again unless Houken falls to strategy devised by someone his character will remain broken. Nothing will change my mind on this matter
It's a shame that I can't change your mind on this matter but hopefully the author will find a satisfactory way to deal with Houken.
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Come on now, Xin comes from really humble backgrounds. He wasn't raised in an assassin's group. He wasn't an elite family's son. He wasn't taught by the Minister of Military Affairs on how to strategize. Even Ten took years of training to learn all the tactics alongside Mouki. Xin was just a servant/slave orphan who happened to practice a lot of swordplay on the side. Of course he's going to need some transition time.
As for Houken, while he might be the embodiment of martial skill, that doesn't mean he needs to be beaten by his antithesis, which would be strategy. What he needs to be beat by is a guy who represents warfare, a true Great General of the Heavens.
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I am perfectly fine with Houken being one-shotted by a Great General. It's what he did after all, he can't complain about getting an anticlimatic death.
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@purple hermit: Kyokai has 0 experience in those matters also assassination is different from warfare so thats not exactly an argument to why should he have transition time. This is war every mistake can lead to your death. She just trust her instict, Shin if he is to be great has to have instict/gut to prevent him from those kind of situations otherwise he isnt great.
He should have a gasp for things and learn from his mistakes imo. Take his rivals for example Mouten and Ouhon both lost their battles when they first became 1000 man commanders but they adapted and overcame it. Well i just got annoyed by the 8 loses in a row he had. You should keep in mind that great ppl have great ppl serving uder them so in other words Shin has to be great and those 8 loses arent exactly flattering.
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OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING
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HAPPENING.
! you sure?
! Kyoukai wants his baby. That's one of her two goals. And told him so. FUCK YEAH. -
OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING
FINALLY
HAPPENING.
! you sure?
! Kyoukai wants his baby. That's one of her two goals. And told him so. FUCK YEAH.well since i dont/cant exactly follow the raw can you give more info ^^"
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Is her second goal at least a bit more respectful to the character?
Really now Hara.
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@purple hermit: Kyokai has 0 experience in those matters also assassination is different from warfare so thats not exactly an argument to why should he have transition time. This is war every mistake can lead to your death. She just trust her instict, Shin if he is to be great has to have instict/gut to prevent him from those kind of situations otherwise he isnt great.
He should have a gasp for things and learn from his mistakes imo. Take his rivals for example Mouten and Ouhon both lost their battles when they first became 1000 man commanders but they adapted and overcame it. Well i just got annoyed by the 8 loses in a row he had. You should keep in mind that great ppl have great ppl serving uder them so in other words Shin has to be great and those 8 loses arent exactly flattering.
Except that Mouten and Ouhon are the exact guys I mentioned.
-Elite families versed in warfare with a strong lineage of military men.
-Mouten was personally trained by Shouheikun.And while kyoukai is not in principle one versed in warfare, she has always grown up with that sort of air of fighting for her. Also, she's a genius in that regard. It's been brought up. It'll always be something Xin needs to beef up on. That's kinda the character.
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OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING
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! you sure?
! Kyoukai wants his baby. That's one of her two goals. And told him so. FUCK YEAH.
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I can't see how wanting to have a baby is disrespectful goal to the character. Many women of different personalities and different career paths want to have baby at some point. Having a baby is very demanding goal by itself.
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Is her second goal at least a bit more respectful to the character?
Really now Hara.
! Become a Great General.
! She's going to be a mother and a Great General.
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Except that Mouten and Ouhon are the exact guys I mentioned.
-Elite families versed in warfare with a strong lineage of military men.
-Mouten was personally trained by Shouheikun.And while kyoukai is not in principle one versed in warfare, she has always grown up with that sort of air of fighting for her. Also, she's a genius in that regard. It's been brought up. It'll always be something Xin needs to beef up on. That's kinda the character.
even though they are elite they adapt and evolve that has nothing to do with ones family. Studying war and actually fighting are two different things. Shin isnt just your average individual he is special to have accomplished this much. He has been in many wars and fought countless battles. that is far greatest experience than studying about war. Just saying :P
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! Become a Great General.
! She's going to be a mother and a Great General.
Sorry, but that's far more awesome than just being one of those.the other one isn't surprising at all seeing how Qiang Lei (a.k.a. Kyou Kai) was this in historical records.
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even though they are elite they adapt and evolve that has nothing to do with ones family. Studying war and actually fighting are two different things. Shin isnt just your average individual he is special to have accomplished this much. He has been in many wars and fought countless battles. that is far greatest experience than studying about war. Just saying :P
The greatest experience leading small squads, yeah. 300 is still not the same as leading a large war-determining group. Also, leadership dynamics change with a much larger group. How to convey ideas from one group to the other. It's like how you can have a small ensemble leader for a music group or band, but to perform a symphony, you need a very competent and knowledgeable conductor at the helm.
And yes, the family does have a lot to do with it. Not by necessarily genetic traits but simply training at an early age in how to mange thigns.
And judging by the stats released by Hara, Ouhon and Mouten are about on par with each other, with Mouten having a higher aptitude for knowledge of warfare and how to do stuff. Like I said, he was personally trained by Shouheikun, one of the four pillars of Ryofui and the one who trained Mouki and Ten. It's only natural that Mouten with his immersive training into tactics would have a good grasp on large scale warfare.
