Chapter 717: "The Forgotten of Dressrosa"

Tainted Gene

Well I consider most peoples opinions to be stupid if I believe it makes no sense. That's just how my mind works now.

If thats your opinion…. then fair enough.

I have nothing against, Monet anyways. I would like it if she didn't die. But I do know that most of you guys mostly like her because of her breasts. Kinda perverted. I don't have any sexual attraction to any gender so I can barely understand it but I heard enough from people to know that they mostly like her because of her big breasts.

Lol. I thought I already mentioned why I liked Monet as a potential NN….. so pls don't generalize and group me into a "group" of big breast fanboys. If that was the case then Monet is CLEARLY not the only one that would have "fans".

From an artistic point of view I love the way Oda-san draws her expressions… especially her eyes and smile; they are very well done.

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Pretty much all her expressions in chapter 687 were drawn beautifully and the emotion on her face in each panel is very apparent.

TheGreatestSwordsman

@STP_PS:

If Monet is alive that would be the Biggest Asspull in OP history ever, it would be just up there with pell surviving that bomb explosion, if not a bit higher. I've somewhat come to terms with pell surviving due to his zoan endurance, but a pierced heart is something you cannot just shrug off.

No. Don't try to give any justification, it was an abysmal and laughable asspull of epic proportions. The worst "fake death" in any series I have ever seen in any media whether it's books, movies, tv series or anime. Lets just move on and forget it ever happens, that's what I do every time it happens in this series.

Static

@Tainted:

If thats your opinion…. then fair enough.

Lol. I thought I already mentioned why I liked Monet as a potential NN….. so pls don't generalize and group me into a "group" of big breast fanboys. If that was the case then Monet is CLEARLY not the only one that would have "fans".

From an artistic point of view I love the way Oda-san draws her expressions… especially her eyes and smile; they are very well done.

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Pretty much all her expressions in chapter 687 were drawn beautifully and the emotion on her face in each panel is very apparent.

No. They're not opinions. @ you my word is absolute.
And it seems that we like Monet for the same reasons :3

Tainted Gene

@Beowulf89:

! Monet is an astronomer was a very persistent thought for some time. Because she had a book in a pile from which readers saw "ASTRO" with other letters hidden from view. I mean sure, anything could end that word, but people were super insistent that she MUST be an astronomer, and that must be why she has wings, cause she wants to be like the moon tribes and-and-and…!
! It's super flimsy. She doesn't mention stars or even the sky, once. It was people who liked her character (which wasn't even partially revealed by that point) giving her attributes that they wanted her to have in order to justify a nakama discussion.
! -Edit- Oda's quote was something along the lines of: "Luffy will receive help from a former boss character." This happened before the crew split up, so the assumption was that the Strawhats were getting a new nakama. People took it to mean that Crocodile or Hancock were going to join his crew after the Whitebeard War, due to his interactions with them. Oda never said anything about someone becoming a Strawhat though. That was fanon. And he DEFINITELY never stated a gender for the next Strawhat. Oda's not the type to spoil his story like that. Also, please, please, please never use Youtube comments as your information source. That's... pretty close to the cesspit of the internet. And can we take the NN stuff to the NN thread?
! Anyway, my thoughts regarding the toys and the people of Dress Rosa is that they are being hypnotized nightly. That's why there is a strict curfew, and why both groups are segregated and why everyone seems to live and breath off of Doflamingo's popularity. The programming for each group is very specific. A power 'wearing off' erratically is not consistent with the Devil Fruits we've seen so far where it's as permanent as the user allows or is able to allow (being knocked out tends to undo DF effects), Moria's shadow stealing, Hancock's petrififying, Shiki holding his islands afloat, etc. If a toy or a person was unable to hear the hypnotic suggestion at night, because they broke curfew, or became deaf or some such, then the effects would wear off on an individual scale.
! Hypnosis is well established in One Piece, there are three hypnotists already in canon*, and Brooke is basically one as well even though his hypnotic effect is enabled by his Devil Fruit.
! I'll admit though, that I'm mostly interested in the concept cause I like when there's weird stuff that isn't explained through Devil Fruits.
! *Django, Miss Golden Week, and Lafitte.

I never said it was my source… I was specifically asking for the source which it was referring to, since I have heard that rumor on other manga forums before. I even stated that "I didn't recall the female part and wanted to read the whole thing"

But thanks for your interpretation of Oda's quote. I just hoped that some may have had a source to it.

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@Static:

No. They're not opinions. @ you my word is absolute.
And it seems that we like Monet for the same reasons :3

lol
But that is still YOUR opinion. I could, for example, say I with absolute certainty that the internet is evil… whether its true or not is MY opinion. Fact is when its scientifically proven with empirical data that CAN be tested.

i.e.- "Earth's gravity moves at a speed of 9.8m/s sq" <–--- thats fact.

you said I (more specifically my hoping Monet to be alive) was stupid.... that's YOUR opinion. Others have giving their opinion that Monet being alive is within the realm of possibility. So I take it you would call them stupid too? Most ppl would say that its YOUR opinion that we are stupid for having the belief that Monet might be alive. To me, Monet death is only fact when Oda-san specifically and unequivocally states it as such (ie funeral, dead body, etc)

In regards to your second point, I am also glad to see you find Monet aesthetically pleasing.

E-Ratic Poster

@Zack:

I fail to see how a symbolic sacrifice of a character's last moments are worse than a character who hadn't achieved their goal or dream. Monet's alive.

I wouldn't be surprised if Monet is alive. In fact, I want her to be alive. I thought she was an interesting character that should have been expanded on more. And I know that Oda doesn't kill characters except for special occasions. I completely expect a cover story with both Monet and Vergo. I was just hoping that Oda would turn a new leaf in the New World to show how much more intense things are in the New World. Will he? Only time will tell, but keeping Monet alive would be pushing it.

Medical Orbit

I'm confused. I thought Usopp, Robin, and the dwarves were headed to the Flower Fields (they said so at the end of chapter 713), but now they're going to the factory?

Tainted Gene

@E-Ratic:

I wouldn't be surprised if Monet is alive. In fact, I want her to be alive. I thought she was an interesting character that should have been expanded on more. And I know that Oda doesn't kill characters except for special occasions. I completely expect a cover story with both Monet and Vergo. I was just hoping that Oda would turn a new leaf in the New World to show how much more intense things are in the New World. Will he? Only time will tell, but keeping Monet alive would be pushing it.

Despite the happiness I would feel if/when Monet returns…. I cannot deny this.

@Medical:

I'm confused. I thought Usopp, Robin, and the dwarves were headed to the Flower Fields (they said so at the end of chapter 713), but now they're going to the factory?

I understood it to mean that they would meet there as a checkpoint before heading to the factory in full force.

Static

@Tainted:

I never said it was my source… I was specifically asking for the source which it was referring to, since I have heard that rumor on other manga forums before. I even stated that "I didn't recall the female part and wanted to read the whole thing"

But thanks for your interpretation of Oda's quote. I just hoped that some may have had a source to it.

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lol
But that is still YOUR opinion. I could, for example, say I with absolute certainty that the internet is evil… whether its true or not is MY opinion. Fact is when its scientifically proven with empirical data that CAN be tested.

i.e.- "Earth's gravity moves at a speed of 9.8m/s sq" <–--- thats fact.

you said I (more specifically my hoping Monet to be alive) was stupid.... that's YOUR opinion. Others have giving their opinion that Monet being alive is within the realm of possibility. So I take it you would call them stupid too? Most ppl would say that its YOUR opinion that we are stupid for having the belief that Monet might be alive. To me, Monet death is only fact when Oda-san specifically and unequivocally states it as such (ie funeral, dead body, etc)

In regards to your second point, I am also glad to see you find Monet aesthetically pleasing.

Silence. Your words aren't even worth fully reading anymore…

Ace 4

Since people keep bringing up the Pell incident, what bothers me is how he ended up somewhere else. Did he try to outrun the explosion as the bomb exploded and was blown away because he couldn't?

Static

@•Ace•:

Since people keep bringing up the Pell incident, what bothers me is how he ended up somewhere else. Did he try to outrun the explosion as the bomb exploded and was blown away because he couldn't?

He probably attempted to do so. Even though it wasn't shown he is stronger and faster than normal humans which would suggest he can move faster than we can see. I'm sure he attempted to fly away. At the same time his body is very tough so the bomb most likely couldn't do enough damage to kill him.
It's always best to assume that a bomb would kill you though. Being completely in the air the shock wave would most definitely blow him away. There's many things you can think of using common sense to figure out how he survived. Having a tough body is good enough. He was in bad shape though and that's good enough.

kouch_lee

@King:

Because an European-based fictional culture has to follow Japanese customs…

I'm talking about the way such things are usually presented in shonen manga. Most of OP characters are NOT "japanese" and yet mostly make a huge deal about the tiniest of stuff when concerning relationships with the other sex.

@akagami7:

It has been repeated several times that the women of Dressrosa are extremely passionate so we shouldn't take into account what I bolded.

You know, more than extreme passion, from what very little we've been shown so far about women in Dressrosa, I actually find it to be pretty progressive stuff, considering the "women stabbing men out of jealousy" spelled doom early on. I might be making a huge fuss about a woman being a single mother going all "what, does that bother you? it's totally normal stuff nowadays", but its casualness caught my attention big time.

And, if the woman with the adult toy and the kid toy is just their friend? Yeah, I'd be missing the point I was trying to make, but that's even better! Even I, in real life, would totally believe I'm seeing a family when a woman walks down the street grabbing a man's arm while carrying a baby. If they're just friends, it blows my mind. (Again, take into account all these examples ignore their real backstory with the forgotten memories).

Again, I'm talking about how this stuff is presented, this being a shounen manga.

@Tainted:

The MAIN reason why I suspend my disbelief to such a degree in this case, regarding Monet, is because of a theory I heard a while back. Here is an old video discussing the Planet Theory and he mentions Monet as a possible NN.

I've allways been curious about the OP world having 6 moons thing. I mean, Oda been droping huge bombs about the moon and how the winged people originate from them, and how there are extraterrestial pirate crews and all. But. . .6 moons? Are the other 5 important? Will that, some day, be important? And also, knowing Oda, just leaving a background image of the OP world and its moons as foreshadowing is a too little for his standards. Unless we take the whole ocean distribution and all the weird shit that goes on through the Grand Line as being provoked by the 6 moons influencing their tides at the same time in different ways, as foreshadowing.

But we're probably getting ahead of ourselves, and this might very well be not important at all. Ever.

Tainted Gene

@Static:

Silence. Your words aren't even worth fully reading anymore…

urgh…. Another insightful opinion, Static

@•Ace•:

Since people keep bringing up the Pell incident, what bothers me is how he ended up somewhere else. Did he try to outrun the explosion as the bomb exploded and was blown away because he couldn't?

In all honesty, it is probably better to not try and analyize the circumstances of his survival. If your curious about my opinion on the matter I posted my thoughts here.

Dellinger

How did we get to monet again? Don't pollute manga discussions with the same old question?

Is she dead? Will she join? Wtf shes logia, she survived bla bla.

Just wait and see what happens. we know Oda is up to something.

Ace 4

@kouch_lee:

I'm talking about the way such things are usually presented in shonen manga. Most of OP characters are NOT "japanese" and yet mostly make a huge deal about the tiniest of stuff when concerning relationships with the other sex.

You know, more than extreme passion, from what very little we've been shown so far about women in Dressrosa, I actually find it to be pretty progressive stuff, considering the "women stabbing men out of jealousy" spelled doom early on. I might be making a huge fuss about a woman being a single mother going all "what, does that bother you? it's totally normal stuff nowadays", but its casualness caught my attention big time.

And, if the woman with the adult toy and the kid toy is just their friend? Yeah, I'd be missing the point I was trying to make, but that's even better! Even I, in real life, would totally believe I'm seeing a family when a woman walks down the street grabbing a man's arm while carrying a baby. If they're just friends, it blows my mind. (Again, take into account all these examples ignore their real backstory with the forgotten memories).

Again, I'm talking about how this stuff is presented, this being a shounen manga.

If you take into consideration the toys are just toys in the mind of the humans, we shouldn't use your comparison.

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Tainted Gene

In regards to the toys on Dressrosa… is there a chance that some of them are actually "happy" with their circumtances? Granted the vast majority are suffering beyond words but what about the others. We see the toys in the collisum and on the streets and in the bars and they "appear" to be living happy normal lives. But if they're all suffering under this curse... is every single one of the toys faking simply to avoid trouble from the DD family?

Or maybe the "broke" mentally and have come to except the current circumtances as reality... kinds of like what happened at Nami's village (with the lost of hope and accepting the cruel reality). But maybe like Nami village, some of the toys are biding their time (ala One-Leg and his allies) with hopes that things will change or until there is a chance to rebel against the DD family

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Smiley

This thread is not gonna last long and someone is gonna be chopped.
In topic will we see the donquixote member fighting too before the tournment get interupted?(since i'm certain that D block is not gonna be interupted).
Or the tournment will finish up until the end

King Cannon

@Smiley:

This thread is not gonna last long and someone is gonna be chopped.
In topic will we see the donquixote member fighting too before the tournment get interupted?(since i'm certain that D block is not gonna be interupted).
Or the tournment will finish up until the end

Well, I expect Nami and Co. to do something about Jora that doesn't involve trying to lure her away from the ship in vain.

Static

@Smiley:

This thread is not gonna last long and someone is gonna be chopped.
In topic will we see the donquixote member fighting too before the tournment get interupted?(since i'm certain that D block is not gonna be interupted).
Or the tournment will finish up until the end

Things are going to go in a fun direction once C block is over, I'm sure of it. The tournament may continue and at the same time it may still get interrupted during the last Block. Hopefully that doesn't happen. I want to see Luffy take everyone down in the tournament and win. I doubt he's going to get that flame flame fruit unless his next crew member isn't a devil fruit user. Unfortunately the potential candidates for a SH have DF abilities. Rebecca, isn't potential.

Smiley

@King:

Well, I expect Nami and Co. to do something about Jora that doesn't involve trying to lure her away from the ship in vain.

I was refering more to the ones in the tournment(like fighting the block winners).
But yeah, i want that too.

King Cannon

@Smiley:

I was refering more to the ones in the tournment(like fighting the block winners).
But yeah, i want that too.

Knew you would say that.

Will blame you for not being specific anyway.

Fufufufu…

Smiley

@King:

Knew you would say that.

Will blame you for not being specific anyway.

Fufufufu…

You win this one for now.

CaptainKid

Maybe I'm forgetting/confusing something but wasn't it said/shown that Bonney's abilities wear off after a while? I'd assume that a DF users ability would run out after a while so maybe at 12:00 is when the ability is reinforced? I'm kinda lost atm but it's one of my favorite plot points of Dressrosa.

King Cannon

Bonney's ability was never shown or said to be temporary.

Medical Orbit

Nor was it ever shown or said to be a plot point of Dressrosa.

Ace 4

Anyone interested about where the toys end up when they are thrown in the SCRAP bins? Maybe under the Colliseum perhaps?

STP_PS

@TheGreatestSwordsman:

No. Don't try to give any justification, it was an abysmal and laughable asspull of epic proportions. The worst "fake death" in any series I have ever seen in any media whether it's books, movies, tv series or anime. Lets just move on and forget it ever happens, that's what I do every time it happens in this series.

To be fair, I never considered pells survival as imposible until I started reading this forum. Heck even after, I just went with the "This guy is pretty damn tough"/ "Its a mysterious character" mindset , so I´m really not giving any justification, I´m just saying what I feel now and at that time. Monet on the other hand, due to how she was portrayed at the stabbing moment and how it was played out, having her alive would feel (at least for me) like a Big fiasco. I guess, I base my feelings in the expressions of those in front of deaths door.

DARK_RITUAL

Great another sterlok who puts pics in every post. :sad:

Anyways, I don't know if this has been mentioned before.

What if the toys go back to the factory at 12:00, so they could be turned back to humans who will work as slave workers making Smily Devilfruits, weapons and other stuff Dofla is making? and after the night they get turned back to toys, their loved ones and them being a toy is a way to put a leash on them and make sure they don't talk or do something stupid?

Why I say this is because I don't see how a huge group of people can work in a factory and yet not a single soul on Dressrossa knows about the factory except: Dofla n his crew, the toys, and the dwarfs. Another reason is- i can't picture a toy like Mario or that toy dog able to work in a factory looking like that.

So in short they are like Cinderella who 12:00 they get turned to their real self.

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@Smiley:

This thread is not gonna last long and someone is gonna be chopped.
In topic will we see the donquixote member fighting too before the tournment get interupted?(since i'm certain that D block is not gonna be interupted).
Or the tournment will finish up until the end

I feel like there's good chance it will get interrupted before we see any of Doffy's crew members fight so Oda can save that for later when Straw Hats fight them (like Usopp, Chopper and Nami).

skeletons_cant_poop

@King:

Bonney's ability was never shown or said to be temporary.

Well it would be extremely hax if it wasn't. You could kill almost anyone by aging them to death.

HTC

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This get's a new meaning in this chapter: didn't cross my mind something so simple could have such a deeper meaning.

Willpower

Yeah…Too bad though,that means they're lovers or something and she's trying to win the tournament to undo his curse..I bet that Doflamingo himself promised her that,she's probably one of the few people in Dressrosa who somehow found out about the truth behind the toys,many things are still unclear so...

Anyway this whole situation confirms one thing:Rebecca is out of "New nakama project"

King Cannon

@skeletons_cant_poop:

Well it would be extremely hax if it wasn't. You could kill almost anyone by aging them to death.

Boa Hancock practically does the same thing with her petrification.

choperman

there's been a lot of complaints about too many characters who will never be used again in this tournament but I just started thinking does anyone think that possibly Law will try to make a huge group out of the tournament contestants???

If there gonna go up against kaidou there gonna need more people than who they have now

there gonna be going up against 500 zoan users plus his top officers and then of course the king himself they'll need reinforcements

and there's plenty of great scenes that could happen if they do, I mean there's littearly a guy who says his punch can kill a yonkou! that alone could make a great scene where Kaidou stops the kings punch bare handed and says some tough guy cliche like "that hurt bitch" but not really caring much

and the jacket jacket guy says he can be worn by even animals and beasts, great plot twist would be him going onto knocked out kaidou and betraying them

or maybe the guy bartolomeo wanted to get aces fruit for was Kaidou and he has a cool betrayingh scene, there'd be lots of possibilities

the color spreads would sure be tough though

just a weird thought that went through my mind what do you guys think???

Beowulf89

Alright so… Doflamingo has three under bosses, right?
Diamonte, Trebol and... Heart bosses. Diamonte is in charge of the Colosseum, Trebol runs the factory, and we don't know what Heart does. That said, a member of the Monster Trio each is heading towards a confrontation with one of the under bosses while Law holds up Doflamingo. Sanji is after the factory, Luffy is at the Colosseum and Zoro is joining up with the rebel forces at the flower garden.

Though I think the most important thing to remember is, Doflamingo is NOT Law's target. Doflamingo is a stepping stone to taking out Kaido, just like Caeser was a stepping stone to Doflamingo. The main objective on Dress Rosa is to destroy the SMILE factory, depriving Kaido of his new Fruit user supply and (ideally) forcing a war between him and Doflamingo that will weaken him enough for the Strawhats and Hearts to take him out.

That, by the way, is why Oda isn't showing Law's fight against Doflamingo. DOFLAMINGO DOESN'T MATTER. We're after Kaido.

Densuke

It's not that he doesn't matter, it's that skipping his fight with Law and Fugitora to just show him and Luffy going at it makes more sense. Or at least someone else he has in mind instead.

Also, just to correct a bit of what you said.. He does have three under bosses, but it's Diamante, Trebol and the Spade guy, not Heart. Law turned him down.