The way I think BB is an individual human with 3 DNA.
So do you have no idea how DNA works or what.
The way I think BB is an individual human with 3 DNA.
So do you have no idea how DNA works or what.
@Monkey:
So do you have no idea how DNA works or what.
I know how it works. I meant this:
[http://voices.yahoo.com/chimeras-two-people-one-body-not-just-science-fiction-493338.html
E](http://voices.yahoo.com/chimeras-two-people-one-body-not-just-science-fiction-493338.html)dit: It most likely there is a main DNA while the others remains inactive and sometimes the secondaries DNAs may show some characteristics and that how it is noticeable as a chimera's case.
Gura gura no mi is overpowered
@Strelоk:
What it is
Its gold
Can I eat it?
Monkey D Ruffy
16 chars of… huh?
But is it really overpowered, I mean it clearly strong but that fruit may give more than one problem to the user and for somebody strong enough with speed and raw power should be enough to handle BB, If he use the ability he used against Luffy/Ace where he pull you close to him you can just go armament on him
But is it really overpowered, I mean it clearly strong but that fruit may give more than one problem to the user and for somebody strong enough with speed and raw power should be enough to handle BB, If he use the ability he used against Luffy/Ace where he pull you close to him you can just go armament on him
Which is exactly why he'll go for Marco's Devil Fruit somewhere along the line since it'll eliminate the downside of the Darkness Logia.
Then he get close to people like Akainu, sap their powers with Darkness, hit them with an earthquake, and fix the damage they did to him with the Phoenix.
If he gets Marco's DF that will be serious hacks. I hope he doesn't. His two atm is good enough, Oda is creative enough to come up with ideas how Blackbeard can take punishment without resorting to that
Which is exactly why he'll go for Marco's Devil Fruit somewhere along the line since it'll eliminate the downside of the Darkness Logia.
Then he get close to people like Akainu, sap their powers with Darkness, hit them with an earthquake, and fix the damage they did to him with the Phoenix.
That is If he get that fruit, everything is still a theory at this point
@winnyshreds:
If he gets Marco's DF that will be serious hacks. I hope he doesn't. His two atm is good enough, Oda is creative enough to come up with ideas how Blackbeard can take punishment without resorting to that
It's not hard to see the three skull flag as foreshadowing Teach getting three Devil Fruit especially since there are three types. He has the strongest Logia (in its way), the strongest Paramecia, and he might as well complete the set with the strongest known Zoan. He also has offensive capabilities in spades thanks to his two known Fruit but is definitely weak on defense by comparison.
The fact that the Phoenix Fruit just happens to be a defensive powerhouse that belongs to a guy that hates Teach enough to go after him makes it even more likely to me.
That is If he get that fruit, everything is still a theory at this point
Sure, it's just the best known option at this point.
It's not hard to see the three skull flag as foreshadowing Teach getting three Devil Fruit especially since there are three types. He has the strongest Logia (in its way), the strongest Paramecia, and he might as well complete the set with the strongest known Zoan. He also has offensive capabilities in spades thanks to his two known Fruit but is definitely weak on defense by comparison.
The fact that the Phoenix Fruit just happens to be a defensive powerhouse that belongs to a guy that hates Teach enough to go after him makes it even more likely to me.
Sure, it's just the best known option at this point.
I support this theory. It is most likely to happen. Phoenix fruit is the best option shown until now to fulfill BB power.
It's not hard to see the three skull flag as foreshadowing Teach getting three Devil Fruit especially since there are three types. He has the strongest Logia (in its way), the strongest Paramecia, and he might as well complete the set with the strongest known Zoan. He also has offensive capabilities in spades thanks to his two known Fruit but is definitely weak on defense by comparison.
The fact that the Phoenix Fruit just happens to be a defensive powerhouse that belongs to a guy that hates Teach enough to go after him makes it even more likely to me.
Sure, it's just the best known option at this point.
I dont think there's any chance of this happening.
Teach has killed (or indirectly caused the deaths of) Ace, Whitebeard, Thatch, and however many others died in the war. The fact that he already killed Thatch for an ability, and then killed Whitebeard for an ability, I dont see any chance of him hunting down yet another member of Whitebeards crew and stealing a third ability from a Whitebeard crewmate. I dont think it would be creative enough for him to resort to fucking over Whitebeard for all of his abilities.
Then again, I'm still a supporter of the Chimera/Cerberus theory .
I dont think there's any chance of this happening.
Teach has killed (or indirectly caused the deaths of) Ace, Whitebeard, Thatch, and however many others died in the war. The fact that he already killed Thatch for an ability, and then killed Whitebeard for an ability, I dont see any chance of him hunting down yet another member of Whitebeards crew and stealing a third ability from a Whitebeard crewmate. I dont think it would be creative enough for him to resort to fucking over Whitebeard for all of his abilities.
Then again, I'm still a supporter of the Chimera/Cerberus theory .
So he wouldn't get the most suited Zoan that can heal all injuries because it's not creative enough? Where's the logic in this?
I dont think there's any chance of this happening.
Teach has killed (or indirectly caused the deaths of) Ace, Whitebeard, Thatch, and however many others died in the war. The fact that he already killed Thatch for an ability, and then killed Whitebeard for an ability, I dont see any chance of him hunting down yet another member of Whitebeards crew and stealing a third ability from a Whitebeard crewmate. I dont think it would be creative enough for him to resort to fucking over Whitebeard for all of his abilities.
Then again, I'm still a supporter of the Chimera/Cerberus theory .
I'm not into him getting that DF as well but my reason is just about POWER while yours is I WANT.
It doesn't matter how many he kills in the WBP, If it involves his goal, It wouldn't be creative? the WBP are/were the ones with must powerful/useful DF in the series, so him going against them just for the sake of an ability is not a bad thing to do at all
So he wouldn't get the most suited Zoan that can heal all injuries because it's not creative enough? Where's the logic in this?
I'm not into him getting that DF as well but my reason is just about POWER while yours is I WANT.
It doesn't matter how many he kills in the WBP, If it involves his goal, It wouldn't be creative? the WBP are/were the ones with must powerful/useful DF in the series, so him going against them just for the sake of an ability is not a bad thing to do at all
I'm talking about creativity on Oda's part.
I dont see him using the Whitebeard crew for EVERY SINGLE one of Teach's abilities.
It just would seem like a copout on Oda's part in my opinion, and I feel like he would notice that and not repeat all that happened in the war again.
mhm just re-read the jaya episode where luffy and zoro gets their beating, and I still can't understand what the '' it's not he, it's they'' I know people probably talked this over and over again, but I dont feel like reading those 238 pages to see. Is it a mistranslation? @ ccc, aohige?
mhm just re-read the jaya episode where luffy and zoro gets their beating, and I still can't understand what the '' it's not he, it's they'' I know people probably talked this over and over again, but I dont feel like reading those 238 pages to see. Is it a mistranslation? @ ccc, aohige?
It's not a mistranslation. Nobody really knows for sure what it is that they meant but we have two factions. The Cerberus/Hydra theory fans say that They is about his multiple body or whatever and the other people just say They = his crew. IIRC.
mhm just re-read the jaya episode where luffy and zoro gets their beating, and I still can't understand what the '' it's not he, it's they'' I know people probably talked this over and over again, but I dont feel like reading those 238 pages to see. Is it a mistranslation? @ ccc, aohige?
I'm neither of them but… Is not a mistranslation since in the anime is translated like that as well, I don't get it ether but oh well.
Did you find another sources for the Jaya arc? I'm currently in Skypea and the translation seems fine
mhm just re-read the jaya episode where luffy and zoro gets their beating, and I still can't understand what the '' it's not he, it's they'' I know people probably talked this over and over again, but I dont feel like reading those 238 pages to see. Is it a mistranslation? @ ccc, aohige?
Yeahhh. I say its a reference to his multiple beings (via cerberus/chimera fruit).
It doesn't make sense for it to be a reference to his crew. After all, the island was full of pirates (including Bellamy and co.). So Luffy and Zoro had no reason to draw a conclusion that Lafitte, Jesus, and Doc Q were with Blackbeard. Not to mention the whole exchange was between them and Blackbeard, they wouldn't jump from talking about Blackbeard himself to talking about his crew.
Its heavy foreshadowing in my opinion, in some way (be it Cerberus/Chimera or whatever) I believe Teach has multiple beings within him.
I'm neither of them but… Is not a mistranslation since in the anime is translated like that as well, I don't get it ether but oh well.
Did you find another sources for the Jaya arc? I'm currently in Skypea and the translation seems fine
well it's on and off, some chapter are decent, and some are really awfully scanned and translated, I still read from batoto, but i checked the other sites, and there isnt better so… btw thanks to the 3 ppl who answered, I dont fall for cerberus, and i dont think luffy was talking about the crew either, im gonna go with multi beings, but rly i dont know what to think at all, prolly one of the biggest mystery in the manga imho.
Edit: and why the fuck did luffy and zoro sens that already, its rly intriguing, haki foreshadowing?
Hard to say, but most people don't believe so. And in my opinion even if it was haki they wouldn't be good enough to distinguish 2 or more beings in him.
Hard to say, but most people don't believe so. And in my opinion even if it was haki they wouldn't be good enough to distinguish 2 or more beings in him.
I think its possible.
Keep in mind this is after Zoro discovered his ability to "hear" steel in Arabasta. If Zoro had made that much progress haki (or "sensing") wise, I feel like Luffy should have made around the same amount of progress.
well it's on and off, some chapter are decent, and some are really awfully scanned and translated, I still read from batoto, but i checked the other sites, and there isnt better so… btw thanks to the 3 ppl who answered, I dont fall for cerberus, and i dont think luffy was talking about the crew either, im gonna go with multi beings, but rly i dont know what to think at all, prolly one of the biggest mystery in the manga imho.
Edit: and why the fuck did luffy and zoro sens that already, its rly intriguing, haki foreshadowing?
I see… I don't think it was haki related I don't even know what to say about that, it goes against my Darkness theory in some way but I'll just have to wait
I think its possible.
Keep in mind this is after Zoro discovered his ability to "hear" steel in Arabasta. If Zoro had made that much progress haki (or "sensing") wise, I feel like Luffy should have made around the same amount of progress.
Zoro ability didn't have nothing to with human beings but with thing (rocks,metal,trees), so that's not the reason why he sensed whatever BB is keeping inside of him
Zoro ability didn't have nothing to with human beings but with thing (rocks,metal,trees), so that's not the reason why he sensed whatever BB is keeping inside of him
Says who?
Its not too far fetched to make the assumption that he would have the ability to sense other things that aren't inanimate objects.
It's not hard to see the three skull flag as foreshadowing Teach getting three Devil Fruit especially since there are three types. He has the strongest Logia (in its way), the strongest Paramecia, and he might as well complete the set with the strongest known Zoan. He also has offensive capabilities in spades thanks to his two known Fruit but is definitely weak on defense by comparison.
The fact that the Phoenix Fruit just happens to be a defensive powerhouse that belongs to a guy that hates Teach enough to go after him makes it even more likely to me.
Sure, it's just the best known option at this point.
Marco isn't stupid. He isn't going to go after Blackbeard because he knows full well he wouldn't be able to beat him, given the 2 powers he has. And secondly, he's probably like WB and Shanks in that - he's betting on Luffy in the new era to be the guy that will bring him down.
If Blackbeard was going to take Marco's fruit he would have done it during the war
I see… I don't think it was haki related I don't even know what to say about that, it goes against my Darkness theory in some way but I'll just have to wait
Zoro ability didn't have nothing to with human beings but with thing (rocks,metal,trees), so that's not the reason why he sensed whatever BB is keeping inside of him
But, roger could hear the ''voice'' of all things right? We don't know enough about haki, their might be some sorta ''better'' form of CoO, as well as CoA, and i guess even COC, i mean look luffy can ignite is punch while using gear 2nd plus haki, madam sharley can see the futur, roger could heard everything, luffy can hear sea monsters, zoro can hear the breath of objects. There as to be something that connects haki with all those things, it cant be just some random skill. I would be rly upset if luffys fire punch wouldnt be explained by the combination of his df + haki. Seriously zoro hearing the breath of things, cant be something else then haki imho, it just means that hes got a natural attachement to CoO, I dont understand how you guys can think its something else… It wouldnt make any sense....
On the topic of bb getting marco's fruit, it could happen, but i rly hope not, it really wouldnt fit him imo, but who knows, I hope he doesnt get 3 fruits, but it might happen, i wouldnt be surprised at all.
Says who?
Its not too far fetched to make the assumption that he would have the ability to sense other things that aren't inanimate objects.
At that time Zoro was trying to cut steel, on the verge of death, that's why he could hear the breathing of everything around him, is like the object were emitting ultrasounds that only he could hear, it have nothing to do with sensing BB's abnormality
But, roger could hear the ''voice'' of all things right? We don't know enough about haki, their might be some sorta ''better'' form of CoO, as well as CoA, and i guess even COC, i mean look luffy can ignite is punch while using gear 2nd plus haki, madam sharley can see the futur, roger could heard everything, luffy can hear sea monsters, zoro can hear the breath of objects. There as to be something that connects haki with all those things, it cant be just some random skill. I would be rly upset if luffys fire punch wouldnt be explained by the combination of his df + haki. Seriously zoro hearing the breath of things, cant be something else then haki imho, it just means that hes got a natural attachement to CoO, I dont understand how you guys can think its something else… It wouldnt make any sense....
On the topic of bb getting marco's fruit, it could happen, but i rly hope not, it really wouldnt fit him imo, but who knows, I hope he doesnt get 3 fruits, but it might happen, i wouldnt be surprised at all.
I also believe that Haki got different levels (ie Amament haki have the invisible armor and the hardening) so observation/Kings must have different level as well but those thing can be related to haki but at the same time it cannot be related to it, I mean Roger/Luffy/Zoro could/can hear the voices of all things, actually Roger have the combination of Luffy and Zoro's ability to hear the voices but they have been shown to hear those thing when they were on the verge of death, it could be because once you're close to death things can get more clear and your senses go the extra mile during that time or it just be an early overpowered observation/armament haki.
I think since Gear 2 works accelerating the blood flow in his body/arm which add more oxygen to it, it creates the steam that starts coming out of his body/arm but when you apply armament haki the steam has nowhere to go but to catch on fire in the area that the armament is being used in order for something like this to work you need three thing water which can be used as fuel, Oxygen and a strong enough heat and store it in a place with no way out and Bamn you got fire.
I rather have Oda's explanation
On Topic: I personally don't like the idea of BB getting that fruit, just imagine that guy with the 3 strongest fruit and haki (he got to have haki) and Luffy a rubber man, I just don't see how can Luffy match a monster like that
If Haki becomes the explaination for anything else, I'll be pissed, though I'm sure it will be -.- though I can easily see the hearing things being a higher form of Haki.
I wonder if Blackbeard will have just a ton of Devil Fruits, and just be constantly switching up forcing Luffy to change his tactics ith him.
Unconsciously tapped into a higher form of haki before they had any knowledge of what it was or how it worked? Unlikely. Luffy shares the trait of hearing the voice of all things with Roger. nothing suggests it had to do with haki because they didn't sense the sea monsters they understood them. Hence the "who said that, who's there?" In both their cases
Unconsciously tapped into a higher form of haki before they had any knowledge of what it was or how it worked? Unlikely. Luffy shares the trait of hearing the voice of all things with Roger. nothing suggests it had to do with haki because they didn't sense the sea monsters they understood them. Hence the "who said that, who's there?" In both their cases
Well again, it would make sense to me cause they will be the strongest pirates in the world, so it isnt too far fetched to assume they'll have the strongest haki out there. Therefore, when on the verge of death, having haki to show up and save their ass when they dont know anything about it, I really think thats how it should be.. If coby awakened is CoO during the war, when his life wasnt rly threatened anyways, i dont see why zoro's wouldnt have awoken when fighting mr 1. Oh well, and thx for the explanation for the fire fist luffy, makes alot of sense to me. And for the voices things, I assume luffy will at somepoint be better than roger at ''doing'' this. I still dont see how they will reach pirate king level without another timeskip tho, but haha we'll have to wait and see.
Edit: Sorry for the derailement
I don't think hearing the voice is related to haki, afterall Oda has shown many different kinds of power, like Zoro's Ashura, the girl who paints emotions, the super hypnotism from that weird guy, Kinemon's fox fire..
holy damn it's amazing how you can forget stuff with time, bb's jolly, that gives alot of points to the multi-person theory, after seing this, i'm now sure he'll have 3 fruits.
A question how u can damage san juan wolf hes so big its not even funny. I saw a picture of a giant compared to him he was a dwarf
holy damn it's amazing how you can forget stuff with time, bb's jolly, that gives alot of points to the multi-person theory, after seing this, i'm now sure he'll have 3 fruits.
Or.
Well, I'm going to play Devil's advocate on this one even though I'm not buying into this theory. A Cerberus is a creature of darkness whose 3 heads represent past, present, and future (much like the 3 goddesses of fate represent). The symbolism all fits.
But I would like to put this out there
While it has never been stated by Oda where the influence of their flag comes from, the image of the 3 heads appears as a classic depiction of Cerberus. The three heads of Cerberus are suppose to see the past, the present and the future and Cerberus was also the guardian of the gates of Hades. It may also be a depiction of the Moirae, the three goddesses of Fate. They also happen to tie in with the crews views of fate and destiny as well as their often deadly methods for seeing how fate plays out and may be the reason behind the three skulls.
Cerberus 4 lyfe :wub:
@ drake, so that implies that bb would of had a cerberus fruit waaaaay back into jaya right? That could explain the ''its not he, its them'' mhm I should probably read deeper in these 200 pages thread, seems like you guys go really deep into analysis, thx anyways
@ drake, so that implies that bb would of had a cerberus fruit waaaaay back into jaya right? That could explain the ''its not he, its them'' mhm I should probably read deeper in these 200 pages thread, seems like you guys go really deep into analysis, thx anyways
Personally, I think he had it before he entered Whitebeards crew.
Thats just me though.
I saved all of the cerberus theory stuff I could from the past 50-100 pages or so, want me to post it?
Personally, I think he had it before he entered Whitebeards crew.
Thats just me though.I saved all of the cerberus theory stuff I could from the past 50-100 pages or so, want me to post it?
yea sure if it doesnt botter you, 230 pages is a little long for me
yea sure if it doesnt botter you, 230 pages is a little long for me
So anybody Cerberus-supporters mid telling me what their theory is all about? Blackbeard having a cerberus-zoan in secret? That the cerberus with three heads is the reason why he can have 3 abilities? Or is it that the cerberus would be the "they"?
Also I can imagine that it can't be very easy to hide your inability to swim in a pirate crew, just saying.
I'll try and nutshell it.
Yeah, the basic theory is that teach had it before the yami yami no-mi.
The three heads allows him to maintain three different devil fruit abilities. The gura-gura would be the last.
Each head would essentially be a different person.
By Luffy and Zoro saying "They" (Chapter 225, page 17), they sensed the multiple persons within Teach.
1. First of all, lets talk about his Jolly roger.
While it has never been stated by Oda where the influence of their flag comes from, the image of the 3 heads appears as a classic depiction of Cerberus.
A Cerberus is a creature of darkness whose 3 heads represent past, present, and future (much like the 3 goddesses of fate represent). This would fit in with Teach (and his crews) obsession with fate. The symbolism would fit perfectly.
2. Why would he hide it?
@Hawkolf:
Just thinking about Cerberus theory. Someone has said that BB wouldn't have bothered to cover up his Cerberus powers with cloak because no one else would be able to have more than one fruits?
I think IF we assume he has Cerberus fruit, cloaking it would be perfect way to freak people. Think, if everyone sees he uses Cerberus fruit they know he has all the fruits he can have now. At the moment people are propably scared shitless because they don't know how many DFs Blackbeard can have.
Original Blackbeard used lies and tricks to make his reputation bigger too. Why wouldn't our BB? :3
Zehahaha
As stated above, it would be an excellent strategic move on Blackbeards part to hide the Cerberus power. Almost entirely because now, nobody knows how many abilities he can have. If he revealed the ability, everyone would instantly know how he maintained having more than one ability. If he concealed it (and its not like he needed to use it) everyone would be scared shitless of him.
Heres another quote addressing this part.
That point is groundless. We all know Blackbeard is prone to deception and inclined to hide his real power. His purpose to sail under Whitebeard was twofold. For starters (and the main reason), because the chances (according to Blackbeard) to find the Yami Yami fruit was higher there. And secondly, to hide in Whitebeard's shadow, avoid any attention to himself, while he searched for the Yami fruit and planned. He concealed his real fighting strength and his ambition to become Pirate King, so would it not be plausible that he would hide that he had the Cerberus fruit if he had it?
(Not that I'm particulary convinced of the Cerberus theory either^)
3.Shanks.
Its pretty much confirmed Teach gave Shanks his scar with his old claw-like weapon he used.
But Shanks could've also sensed something else was amiss with Teach after their encounter with each other.
Given the fact that up until this point that Teach has relied entirely on devil fruit ability makes me question how he was able to hold his own against Shanks without some type of ability (who at the time was fighting evenly with Mihawk).
Its far fetched, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks forced Teach to use something else other than raw ability, in this case he would've been forced to use his Cerberus ability
Or maybe Blackbeard has a high mastery of his fruit and only did a minor transformation for a moment or two (since he wanted to conceal his real powers). That could possible also have been what caused Shanks the uneasy feeling about Blackbeard because he didn't see fully what it was, and that he was hiding his real powers. A (potential or current, whatever Shanks was at the moment of the fight)) Yonkou is very likely strong enough force Blackbeard to pull out all his tricks to survive.
So this would also explain Shanks' uneasiness towards Teach.
4.The multiple personalities thing.
This ones a little far fetched, since the "multiple personalities" thing is more of an opinion.
However, the cerberus fruit would also explain his "multiple personalities".
"Blackbeard's personality seems to be a strange mix of courage and cowardice; strategy, in-consequence and stupidity. While at times his character looks strong and fearsome, in others he will seem weak and ridiculous" (From Wiki)
In almost every fight, he gets hit and reacts like a coward to the damage, and in the next panel he is completely recovered and brimming with confidence.
Example: Teach VS. Ace
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Luffy VS. Blackbeard
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Teach VS. Whitebeard (this one's kind of opposite, his bravery immediately turns into cowardice and begs for his life, and then has his crew shoot up Whitebeard)
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4.Teach's obsession with the number "3".
This point isn't as strong as the others, but it needs to be addressed too.
Obviously Teach has a knack for the number "3".
-Three Headed jolly roger.
-Three pistols
-Obsession with the three fates (past, present, future)
And I forgot the others.
5. Having the cerberus ability would give him a limit.
If he could get as many abilities as he wanted, that would both be stupid, and hax.
If the way he can maintain more than one ability is because of his cerberus ability, that would mean that the gura gura would be his final ability.
He would also have the top tier of each type.
-Strongest Logia
-Strongest Paramecia
-Mythical Ancient Zoan (with special abilities itself I'm sure)
This would make him the ultimate enemy, and at the same time limit him from becoming outrageously powerful.
Ultimately, the cerberus theory is the one theory that ties up almost every loose end regarding Teach, and thats why I support it.
Anyways, I'm still a supporter of the cerberus/chimera theory, but I'm slowly starting to lean towards the multiple persons theory as well. Both would make sense, let me know what you think though!
The "them" line in Jaya is just strange. I originally took it to mean they somehow figured out Jesus and Doc Q were with him or something.
But I dunno. It's far from confirmation of the wierd ass Cerberus theory.
@Monkey:
The "them" line in Jaya is just strange. I originally took it to mean they somehow figured out Jesus and Doc Q were with him or something.
But I dunno. It's far from confirmation of the wierd ass Cerberus theory.
it is indeed a really stange line but surely of really high importance, most likely, foreshadowing, i really dont think its got to do with bb's crewmates… cant wait for this to be explained
am I the only one who thinks that BB having a second DF is related to his own darkness logia DF?
am I the only one who thinks that BB having a second DF is related to his own darkness logia DF?
…..No, you're not
Marco's line in the war implies otherwise.
…..No, you're not
well everywhere I look it's people going with his body is "special" or that he ate some sort of devil fruit before that allows him to eat 2 more
well everywhere I look it's people going with his body is "special" or that he ate some sort of devil fruit before that allows him to eat 2 more
I don't follow any of those theories myself, so I don't really care, I stick to mine till proven wrong.