Well Clara's mystery was explained quite clearly and not dragged on for another season. Good job Moffat.
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Well Clara's mystery was explained quite clearly and not dragged on for another season. Good job Moffat. Though still not sure about her mad hacking skills from the WIFI episode, but I'll hasard a guess that
! maybe some GI fragments sticking to her as she split across the timestreams.
That was answered in that same episode. When they first tried uploading her brain to the network, the GI-workers were like "Okay, she's clever but she has absolutely no computer-skills at all" and so they decided to just cram those into her head while uploading her… And even after the Doctor interrupted that, said skillz remained.
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Could someone please tell me which episodes
! Are the ones related to the Valeyard story. I'd rather watch them than just read about him.
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Could someone please tell me which episodes
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Season 23 of the classic series. All of it.
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K. Thanks.
Also,super excited to see Matt Smith & David Tennant together - i'm a huge fan of em both, so seeing them on screen together, i think i might pass out from screaming so much. -
@Vegard:
That was answered in that same episode. When they first tried uploading her brain to the network, the GI-workers were like "Okay, she's clever but she has absolutely no computer-skills at all" and so they decided to just cram those into her head while uploading her… And even after the Doctor interrupted that, said skillz remained.
Oops! I musn't have been paying attention during that part! Thanks for enlightening me I guess those skills paid off in Asylum of the Daleks!
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! I really liked the finale. I liked to see all the Doctors, too. I was able to predict Clara going into the timestream once GI was talking about what it would do.
But once she is in a certain point in time, does she remember who she is and why she is there? Does she know she has to find the Doctor? Did Victorian-era or Dalek-Clara know that? It didn't seem like it.
! Also, I don't think John Hurt is a Time War Doctor. Ninth always refers to himself as being in the war and doing the bad things. Why would the Doctor disown a Doc for what he did if he would later take credit for all the things the disowned did?
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@Sniper:
! Also, I don't think John Hurt is a Time War Doctor. Ninth always refers to himself as being in the war and doing the bad things. Why would the Doctor disown a Doc for what he did if he would later take credit for all the things the disowned did?
I think it is a later Doctor, but then how would Eleven know him?! He's wearing an outfit thats a mix between 8 and 9… very specifically 9's leather jacket. And 9 very specifically had a brand new face at the start of Rose.
! And they've been making a huge point lately that, while the doctors are all the same man, once he regenerates the old one is gone, he has different tastes, thrills, likes, dislikes, even abilities. (One Doctor might be a brilliant computer programmer, but the next lacks the skill entirely. One plays a recorder, one likes racing cars, another likes robot dogs and long scarves) They act and think entirely differently. The choices that one would make aren't always choices another would agree with... and if the 3 doctors and 5 doctors are any indication, sometimes they're so different from themselves they don't really get along at all and are near complete opposites.
! Romana 1 didn't get along with the Doctor at all, while Romana II practically dated him. (And the actors married in real life.)
! It's why 10 was so unwilling to go, he LIKED being 10... whereas 11 is a bit more free with the idea of regenerating as a solution.. though he cautions "no telling what you get if I do!" They are the same person, with the same memories and experience, but they also aren't.
! His 8.5 form can do horrible horrible things that the earlier and later ones don't agree with, that a different regeneration just wouldn't have done... but its still him at the very core, and so he still feels the guilt over it.
! (There's also the theory that regenerations and the following personality are influenced by the effects of the death that leads to them)
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/08/not-some-new-man-the-hidden-pattern-behind-the-doctors-regenerationsTo pull in a different real world example. Einstein wasn't directly responsible for the creation of the atomic bomb. But he was certainly a key element all the same. His work helped create the atomic bomb.
He considered himself to be a pacifist. In 1929, he publicly declared that if a war broke out he would "unconditionally refuse to do war service, direct or indirect… regardless of how the cause of the war should be judged." His position changed just a couple years later when things got bad in 1933, as the result of Hitler's ascent to power While still promoting peace, Einstein no longer fit his previous self-description of being an "absolute pacifist".
Einstein role in the bomb was overall very minor, ( a little collaboration, a theory, a signed letter) but instrumental... and he always maintained that its use on Japan was needed... but shortly before he died he said it was his greatest regret.
He wasn't solely responsible for the bomb, had almost nothing to do with it in fact, and he did many other great things, but he still felt guilt about what he helped cause, even if wasn't entirely his doing... he was still a key component. But that can also be pointed at the president, and the pilot that flew the plane, and the mechanics that physically built the bomb and loaded the plane.
And that's an ordinary real man, who doesn't rack up hundreds of years of extra experience, or get his entire brain and thought process literally rewritten occasionally.
Doctors 9, 10 and 11 is the same. They had a part in the horrible event that he regrets, but it wasn't specifically his decision or idea to do what was done. There was nothing he personally could have done to stop it, but he still had a part in it, still has the responsibility and the guilt. He was part of the committee, he's still the pilot, but he's not Einstein or the president anymore.
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Oh okay, that makes sense.
Here is a post I found about the problems with Moffat. It is really long and made of multiple images so I'll just link you guys to it.
http://rsdhillon.tumblr.com/post/49722537250/thestraggletag-to-be-honest-the-moment-i-read -
@Sniper:
Oh okay, that makes sense.
Here is a post I found about the problems with Moffat. It is really long and made of multiple images so I'll just link you guys to it.
http://rsdhillon.tumblr.com/post/49722537250/thestraggletag-to-be-honest-the-moment-i-readI'm finding this difficult to take seriously when it starts with "Russell T. Davies is 500x times the better writer."
But I will try and put that to the side.
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Yeah, some of the points are weak, but there are good ones there.
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To be honest, I have no idea why people would call Moffat sexist and misogynistic when he's created some of the most kickass female characters in the new series. And come on, the guy he's working the closest with at the moment is Mark Gatiss, who's gay! So no homophobic tendencies there, which I find weird people would say that he is.
And he's done some bloody amazing episodes, and is all around a good writer.
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@Sniper:
Oh okay, that makes sense.
Here is a post I found about the problems with Moffat. It is really long and made of multiple images so I'll just link you guys to it.
http://rsdhillon.tumblr.com/post/49722537250/thestraggletag-to-be-honest-the-moment-i-read- Moffat has in no way dumbed down the show.
- The apple problem? He said his taste buds were still forming. He can like apples later, he just didn't then. He also tossed out bread, so I guess that's an issue too.
- Whatever happened to Asylum? Well, it's been mentioned a lot since then, and whatever happened to half the places or people on the show. Like that's a Moffat only complaint.
- He redesigned the TARDIS, because the old design reminded him too much of them. Did that really need to be explicitly stated?
- The Statue of Liberty is a given. It was a fun idea executed poorly.
- Moffat has killed quite a few people during his tenure. Granted he does do the dead and then not a lot, but I personally have no issue with it, because it's always executed differently.
- Dear lord, she's actually bitching about "Blink?" I'm not even going to justify the dumbness in that point with a response.
- Moffat? Sexist? I guess Whedon is too, as they write female characters largely the same. Amy and Clara are rather independent. And Clara has a life outside of the Doctor, as she's the only companion he has ever routinely dropped off during NuWho. Also, a lot of bias there, as Rose and Martha both completely lived for the Doctor. Seriously, Rose was a mess when she lost him, and Martha is one of the worst written female characters ever.
- I feel like this lady is a total 10-Rose shipper.
- Hating on "The Girl in the Fireplace?" What is happening? Also, Davies did the same thing with the Family of Blood two parter, where 10 fell in love with random what's her face.
- Gillan was chosen because of her chemistry with Smith. I would love to see where this lady got her sources. For that ridiculous quote.
- Accusing him of being racist now?
- As someone who is dyslexic, yeah, we should run everything through a spell check. Though, admittedly, Moffat is an ass.
- Now hating on "Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead?" This is just blatant bias.
And I'm going to stop there, because half of this is attack Moffat as a person, and the other half is disliking his writing because you have a bias against him as a person. Is Moffat an asshole? Oftentimes, yes. He's not the nicest person, and he is full of himself. Is he a lazy writer? At times, yes. When he doesn't want to, or can't, explain something he does often go to Wibbly-wobbly, timey-whimey. Personally, I'm okay with that, as I don't need a detailed explanation of everything. Personally, I don't watch Doctor Who for the Sci-Fi. I watch it for the fun. That's all the show is to me: fun. It's ridiculous, it's extravagant, and it's fun. At times, it's poorly written, at others it's masterful. The show can elicit any emotion it wants from me, and I'm always on board. Not just during Moffat, but even Davies and the billions of other writers the show has seen over the course of 50 years.
It seems that the writer of the post, and a lot of fans, forget that Doctor Who is a kids show first and foremost. I's not meant to be groundbreaking Sci-Fi, it's meant to be a fun, exciting adventure.
Even Moffat seems to be forgetting that, and that would be my biggest critique of the man. Most of his run during Amy/Rory was that fairytale fun, but since they departed and Clara joined, he's moved past that and has been writing for the 50th first and foremost. That works for older fans who have actually bothered to watch Classic Who, but for the intended demographic, it is the wrong way to go.
But still, I'm onboard, because it still seems like he just wants to have fun.
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Russel T. Davies is 500x better than him
I stopped reading there, honestly. With that kind of introduction I know I will never come to an agreement with this guy. I like some RTD scripts, in fact my favorite episode is by him, but he's the guy that wrote Love & Monsters, End of Time, Last of the Time Lord (featuring Gollum Doctor and Jesus Doctor), Journey's End, Rose x Ten horrid love story, Voyage of The Damned, etc. It's really hard to believe he's a 500x time a better writer than Moffat. Showrunner maybe ? But writer…
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It occurs to me that, had the Ponds held out another half season, Rory could have done the Clara thing and that would have explained a lot of questions about him..
Ah well.
I also like that
! they tease you with the Doctor's name…
! And the reveal ends up being not Doctor WHO? But WHO isn't the Doctor? Hurt is the one who doesn't qualify for the name.
! So it's an answer in reverse. You show who the Doctor is by showing who he isn't.
! Or the title could have been "In the name of the Doctor" and applies there too. It's pretty clever...
! but I wonder how many people are going to be needlessly annoyed by not finding out his name is Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern- schplenden- schlitter- crasscrenbon- fried- digger- dingle- dangle- dongle- dungle- burstein- von- knacker- thrasher- apple- banger- horowitz- ticolensic- grander- knotty- spelltinkle- grandlich- grumblemeyer- spelterwasser- kurstlich- himbleeisen- bahnwagen- gutenabend- bitte- ein- nürnburger- bratwustle- gerspurten- mitz- weimache- luber- hundsfut- gumberaber- shönedanker- kalbsfleisch- mittler- aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm? -
I'd think not very many people would be annoyed. I mean, I wasn't hyped at all for what was "promised", as it was completely uninteresting for me. The only draw for the finale for me was finding out why no one can lie on trenzalore, which turned out to be false anyway(that's some bad arc plotting, if they'd said the doctor had to tell the truth it would have been true from a certain point of view, but they went with "everyone").
Then they hit us with uber fanservice and one of my favourite actors, which worked out great for me!
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The only draw for the finale for me was finding out why no one can lie on trenzalore, which turned out to be false anyway(that's some bad arc plotting, if they'd said the doctor had to tell the truth it would have been true from a certain point of view, but they went with "everyone").
Yeah, this definitely did not quite live up to those grand claims of how "No living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"… Nor do I see how this qualified as "the fall of the Eleventh"... Which is why I'm still not entirely convinced that this even was that big event that we were promised last season, and that that event is yet to come…
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@Vegard:
Yeah, this definitely did not quite live up to those grand claims of how "No living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"… Nor do I see how this qualified as "the fall of the Eleventh"... Which is why I'm still not entirely convinced that this even was that big event that we were promised last season, and that that event is yet to come…
! He had to fall to get to Trenzalore. And no living creature could speak falsely. River wasn't technically living.
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Nah, he definitely fell.
! Whether that means the TARDIS falling from space, his grave, or his fall down his own timeline, I don’t know. The prophecy came true three times?
That's why prophecies suck. They're always super specific and need exact context… so they're obvious AFTER the fact, but always open to misinterpretation beforehand. They're never ever ever plain text specific.
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! "Silence will fall" could refer to the "Death" of the Tardis as they reached Trenzalore. The Tardis completely shut down (went silent) in this episode and plummeted (fell) to Trenzalore when The Doctor turned off the Anti-gravity, which means that they're probably going to have to hitch a ride from the Tenth Doctor. Considering the 10th Doctor's personality and his love of being himself, it will be very interesting to see the contrast with each It's a shame that Ecceleston is doing an "Alec Guinness" with the series, but it is what it is… Tennant will more than make up for his absence. He and Smith are both brilliant actors.
! Found this on a German Fansite. Apparently this is the John Hurt Doctor's full outfit:
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! Also, Joanna Page is going to be guest starring in the 50th anniversary episode. Any guesses? Romana's 3rd form? The 12th Doctor (He could be anything, really, even a female)? Or maybe just a companion of the "Not-Doctor"? Also, Ingrid Oliver and Jemma Redgrave. No idea what roles they'll play. -
With the whole season done now, it seems pretty clear in hindsight that the overall theme was about memory. Basically, every story was about some aspect of memory. Erasing them, regaining them, being driven by them, creating them, remembering who you are supposed to be, echoes of your future: basically, anything about the past and the present intersecting.
This obviously was no exception, and basically the culmination of that theme.
seeing your own grave
TARDIS in trouble or danger
leaps of faith
And things hidden in plain sight that you can't see so long as you take things the way you think you're expected to take them.@Fire Fist:
Found this on a German Fansite. Apparently this is the John Hurt full outfit:
Yeah, thats the pic that leaked a couple weeks back which led to speculation that… turned out to be totally correct. Seemed like crazy fanwankery to me but... turned out to be the case.
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anniversary spoiler
! Joanna Page plays Elizabeth the 1st.
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This episode was superb, with the only thing I was slightly disappointed with was the Whispermen,
! since they're basically a way of having G.I. be wherever he wants to be physically, and weren't really as scary as I was told. That or I just overhyped them.
But in the scope of things, that doesn't really matter since I enjoyed the episode. I was really concerned that it was going to be too serious and dark like the trailers made it out to be, but was glad that they kept the tone of the series intact, with the humor still present.
Particularly
! Smith's line after kissing River. That was hilarious.
! And the intro. scene was amazing, I had kept myself from reading anything about the episode and had no idea they would do that. Very nice touch, and probably the best thing they could've done given their circumstances with the actors. Wouldn't have hurt to use a little more variety instead of just reusing the same clips later in the episode, but eh. I'll take what I can get.And now we just have to wait 6 months for the next episode, and watch billions of theories fill the internet.
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River Song = awesome.
! Seriously, i'm a big fan. The stuff she comes out with put a smile on my face, be it that cheeky "Spoilers" she says, or in this episode when Jenny asks her how she did that thing and she says "Disgracefully" or something and of course the flirting between her and the Doctor is just brilliant.
! I know there is a lot of speculation if that was her final appearance, but I'm certain it isn't. We only saw her back in end of part of the season, and she said she'd travel with the Doctor when ever, but not all the time. -
River Song = awesome.
! I know there is a lot of speculation if that was her final appearance, but I'm certain it isn't. We only saw her back in end of part of the season, and she said she'd travel with the Doctor when ever, but not all the time.
I think it's done, myself.
! Well, pretty much everything River mentioned in that first appearance has been covered, (several adventures were off-camera during 11's 200 year farewell tour) we've seen her from the start, the giving of the screwdriver was a dvd extra scene apparently, we've catalogued all her regenerations now, and Moffatt is the only one allowed to write her, and its a story that went for 5 years over multiple seasons, showrunners, and two doctors, and has finally wrapped back around to it's beginning… I'd assume she actually is done now.
! Particularly since the Doctor said goodbye.
! Wouldn't be surprised if the inbetween adventures show up heavily in spinoff media though. There's 200 years of free space in there to play with, she just won't ever hang out with any doctors other than 10 and 11. -
@RobbyBevard:
I think it's done, myself.
! Well, pretty much everything River mentioned in that first appearance has been covered, (several adventures were off-camera during 11's 200 year farewell tour) we've seen her from the start, the giving of the screwdriver was a dvd extra scene apparently, we've catalogued all her regenerations now, and Moffatt is the only one allowed to write her, and its a story that went for 5 years over multiple seasons, showrunners, and two doctors, and has finally wrapped back around to it's beginning… I'd assume she actually is done now.
! Particularly since the Doctor said goodbye.
! Wouldn't be surprised if the inbetween adventures show up heavily in spinoff media though. There's 200 years of free space in there to play with, she just won't ever hang out with any doctors other than 10 and 11.! dvd extra? Hmm.
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I think it's done, myself.
What about…
! How she could still be there after her link with Clara had been broken?
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What about…
! How she could still be there after her link with Clara had been broken?
That felt like one more in-character tease, than a legitimate future plot hook that'll ever be adressed.
There's lots of quick easy simple explanations for it, (considering who and what was there at the time) but it'd REALLY feel like cheating if Moffatt gave us such a farewell as that and then copped out on it again.
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@Nex:
! And no living creature could speak falsely. River wasn't technically living.
That still doesn't account for the "No living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"-bit though. The Doctor was doing a fairly good job of not answering considering how that was supposedly impossible. Also I must ask, if this was indeed the big event that the Silence were so horrified of… Why? So they basically wanted to murder the Doctor before he got to Trenzalore, going to the length of using a plan that could easily have resulted in the permanent, irreversible destruction of everything that ever was and ever would be in season 5… in order to prevent an event where the Great Intelligence undid all the good the Doctor had ever done? And this attempt at completely destroying all the Doctor had ever accomplished was fairly easily stopped too, might I add. It's like, yeah, if the GI had succeeded at that then the universe would also be kinda fucked due to all the times the Doctor has saved all of time and space... But again, if things in The Big Bang hadn't unfolded exactly the way they did, the universe would not just be doomed, it would get retconned out of existence alltogether. Which to me really seems kind of worse.
…You know, I really ought to stop thinking about all this. I seem to recall actually being really impressed by this episode when I first watched it.
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@Vegard:
That still doesn't account for the "No living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"-bit though. The Doctor was doing a fairly good job of not answering considering how that was supposedly impossible. Also I must ask, if this was indeed the big event that the Silence were so horrified of… Why? So they basically wanted to murder the Doctor before he got to Trenzalore, going to the length of using a plan that could easily have resulted in the permanent, irreversible destruction of everything that ever was and ever would be in season 5… in order to prevent an event where the Great Intelligence undid all the good the Doctor had ever done? And this attempt at completely destroying all the Doctor had ever accomplished was fairly easily stopped too, might I add. It's like, yeah, if the GI had succeeded at that then the universe would also be kinda fucked due to all the times the Doctor has saved all of time and space... But again, if things in The Big Bang hadn't unfolded exactly the way they did, the universe would not just be doomed, it would get retconned out of existence alltogether. Which to me really seems kind of worse.
…You know, I really ought to stop thinking about all this. I seem to recall actually being really impressed by this episode when I first watched it.
The Doctor was about to answer when River did instead. At least, to me, he seemed on the edge of breaking.
And, I think we're about to see why the Silence didn't want him there in the special. Also, we still haven't found out who was behind the TARDIS explosion, because it seems to me like that was a different outside force, as the Silence were building to the Doctor's death in Utah. Yes, a creepy ominous voice declared that Silence must fall, but it was an unfamiliar voice, and it definitely didn't sound like he Silence.
This whole deal is going to span the entirety of Moffat's run, so it's not a good idea to count what we've got. All I'm saying is that prophecies have always been fickle thins in every story. They are pretty much never literal.
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just started it. I am currently in the middle of season 3 (10th doctor) and I love it. I love this show so much. I watch 1-2 episodes every evening, on train and even in my lunchbreaks at work. damn this show is so brillant. How could I miss it?
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@Nex:
The Doctor was about to answer when River did instead. At least, to me, he seemed on the edge of breaking.
And, I think we're about to see why the Silence didn't want him there in the special. Also, we still haven't found out who was behind the TARDIS explosion, because it seems to me like that was a different outside force, as the Silence were building to the Doctor's death in Utah. Yes, a creepy ominous voice declared that Silence must fall, but it was an unfamiliar voice, and it definitely didn't sound like he Silence.
This whole deal is going to span the entirety of Moffat's run, so it's not a good idea to count what we've got. All I'm saying is that prophecies have always been fickle thins in every story. They are pretty much never literal.
The Silence were the ones that blew up the TARDIS. That much was made clear at the end of the Big Bang episode by the Doctor…
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The Silence were the ones that blew up the TARDIS. That much was made clear at the end of the Big Bang episode by the Doctor…
How can they do something Dalek-supergeniuses & Davros can't? Only people who have ever remotely taken controll of a time capsule like that are the time lords from memory. It's either hugely sloppy writing (which sadly isn't too unlikely), or a plot point they simply dismissed.
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How can they do something Dalek-supergeniuses & Davros can't? Only people who have ever remotely taken controll of a time capsule like that are the time lords from memory. It's either hugely sloppy writing (which sadly isn't too unlikely), or a plot point they simply dismissed.
If there is 1 thing we learned, is the Silence plan ahead big time. They were manipulating human history for like several 1000 years, plus they are memory proof. They clearly have the means to have done it somehow.
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How can they do something Dalek-supergeniuses & Davros can't? Only people who have ever remotely taken controll of a time capsule like that are the time lords from memory. It's either hugely sloppy writing (which sadly isn't too unlikely), or a plot point they simply dismissed.
The TARDIS nearly exploded because of the salvage crew in Journey to The Center of The TARDIS, it's really not that hard to do. And when you have the Silence memory power, you can sneak in the console room quite easily.
Maybe the Dalek and Davros never did it that way because they knew how disastrous it would be for the universe.
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The doctor turned off the shields in Journey. And taking over the tardis computer is completely different that attacking by brute force.
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The TARDIS nearly exploded because of the salvage crew in Journey to The Center of The TARDIS, it's really not that hard to do. And when you have the Silence memory power, you can sneak in the console room quite easily.
Maybe the Dalek and Davros never did it that way because they knew how disastrous it would be for the universe.
The TARDIS blew up, but not in a way that would threaten all of reality. What the Silence did was very specific that it'd have the effect it did of bringing about the end of the Universe.
And given the Daleks and Davros attempted to erase not only this Universe but all the multiverse with their reality bomb, i find that unlikely.
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The TARDIS blew up, but not in a way that would threaten all of reality. What the Silence did was very specific that it'd have the effect it did of bringing about the end of the Universe.
And given the Daleks and Davros attempted to erase not only this Universe but all the multiverse with their reality bomb, i find that unlikely.
If the TARDIS had not contained the explosion in Journey, it would have threatened the entire universe.
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How can they do something Dalek-supergeniuses & Davros can't? Only people who have ever remotely taken controll of a time capsule like that are the time lords from memory. It's either hugely sloppy writing (which sadly isn't too unlikely), or a plot point they simply dismissed.
I had completely forgot about this. Steven Moffat himself has said the Silence were responsible for blowing up the TARDIS, in a Doctor Who special he did to promote the start of season 6 back in April 2011. So it isn't really up for debate - the Moff has spoken.
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So sloppy writing then. Oh well.
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I was thinking of watching this series but out of curiosity does anyone know if I should watch the original Doctor Who series before starting this one?
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I was thinking of watching this series but out of curiosity does anyone know if I should watch the original Doctor Who series before starting this one?
Nah. It's not really essential at all. If you want you could watch a few old episodes about the Daleks or Cybermen, but again, not really essential (you certainly don't need to watch all 26 years of the classic series).
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Start with the new show first, its closer to modern sensibilities and production values. Then if you like it, you can try going back and watching the old series… but the tone, pace, and style is very different, fans of one aren't always fans of the other.
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Well. That's certainly reeled me back in.
So is he The Valeyard then?
Also, does this mean that every person in the past who's onced saved the doctor (including companions?) now retroactively looks just like Clara?
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Well. That's certainly reeled me back in.
So is he The Valeyard then?
No. He is a past incarnation of the Doctor. The Valeyard is between the 12th and the 13th Doctor.
Also, does this mean that every person in the past who's onced saved the doctor (including companions?) now retroactively looks just like Clara?
And no.
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So is he The Valeyard then?
Maybe more or less possibly sort of but not. Valeyard is supposed to be after 12 after all, and this guy is probably between 8 and 9. Same gist though. Pushes Matt Smith right to the number 12 edge, however.
Also, does this mean that every person in the past who's onced saved the doctor (including companions?) now retroactively looks just like Clara?
If she's really been in thousands or instances of interacting with the doctor, I have to imagine she didn't always look like Clara, or he would have noticed sooner. And presumably she only helped counter whatever the GI was doing, often just a minor thing on the side (that she might not have even been aware of) and didn't really impact the adventures otherwise. Also obviously not all the Claras know their mission or else Asylum and Christmas Clara would have known better.
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Oh man, then I completely and totally misread that finale. I thought it was his evil future self
How was it I was supposed to have gathered that it was time war Doctor?
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Oh yeah, is the Crimson Horror worth watching? I sort of skipped that one since it seemed like a boring standalone a la the Ice Warrior one
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Here's a prequel of the final episode regarding how Clarence that prisoner got the coordinates for Trenzalore:
I don't think it has been posted yet, or i mighta just missed it.