Oda obviously didn't thought about Haki at this point.
What will happen to the Mera Mera no Mi?
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Oda obviously didn't thought about Haki at this point.
Obviously not true. Haki was in the first chapter. It was a bit different how it happened, but if Shanks defeating the sea monster by looking at it isn't haki, i don't know what is. The details may have changed a bit over the years, but that was the exact concept in play from the very beginning. And what. Oda created a whole class of characters that were invincible in all but a few extremely rare and specific circumstances? No. Oda almost certainly wasn't ready to reveal this story element and plot point until relatively recently. That's all.
Ace wouldn't be even able to beat someone as Caribou without getting knowledge on his weakness… Which is just damn ridiculous...
Why is that ridiculous?
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@Dan:
Why is that ridiculous?
I'd guess because Caribou is an idiot and a low-tier one for that matter.
I don't really dislike his character that much but Ace not being able to defeat him would indeed be pretty stupid.It is weird that Ace could not use Haki. But I do understand why since he couldn't have used it in the beginning of the series and had no way of learning about it in the time span between Alabasta and Ace vs BB.
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That is the most likely explanation but there is still a small margin to explain it away.
Because as I said before: Smoker at least had the ability to nullify Ace's Logia ability at that time. So the most likely in-universe explanation is that he only compared the logia abilities against each other.
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I'd guess because Caribou is an idiot and a low-tier one for that matter.
I don't really dislike his character that much but Ace not being able to defeat him would indeed be pretty stupid.It is weird that Ace could not use Haki. But I do understand why since he couldn't have used it in the beginning of the series and had no way of learning about it in the time span between Alabasta and Ace vs BB.
Don't think of it as Ace not being able to defeat Caribou, think of it as him not having the specific skills and knowledge to deal with a certain natural element in this universe at that point in his life. That the element happened to be attached to a cowardly idiot isn't really a big deal. That's just the way it was.
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@Dan:
Don't think of it as Ace not being able to defeat Caribou, think of it as him not having the specific skills and knowledge to deal with a certain natural element in this universe at that point in his life. That the element happened to be attached to a cowardly idiot isn't really a big deal. That's just the way it was.
Yes true.
I didn't bring the case up, I was just trying to explain how KiShiDo might think of it, because I could understand it if people feel like this.
But you're right, even though it's still weird that Ace could not use Haki.Speaking of, I just wondered like… If Ace didn't have Haki, then why the fuck would he take on a Magma man?
I know it's because of his pride and such, but still.... If he could not fight Logias that fight was always pointless for him to begin with. -
Speaking of, I just wondered like… If Ace didn't have Haki, then why the fuck would he take on a Magma man?
I know it's because of his pride and such, but still.... If he could not fight Logias that fight was always pointless for him to begin with.Like Akainu said: He was careless. He probably thought their abilities would cancel each other out, like with Smoker and Aokiji. But it turns out magma>fire.
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Like Akainu said: He was overconfident. He probably thought their abilities would cancel each other out, like with Smoker and Aokiji. But it turns out magma>fire.
Well since Ace was an experienced New World pirate I think he should at least have known about all ranks in the Marines from Vice Admiral and higher having Haki.
He should have known that even if Akainu's ability was not superior to his, Akainu would have used Haki to bring him down anyways.Would this indicate that Ace did in fact have Haki and he thought he could fight Akainu equally? Then the plot hole still remains that he did not use it in Alabasta, unless the entire fight between Ace and Smoker did not happen in the manga.
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Didn't Ace have haki? He was stated in both a flashback and a brief line in Marineford to have King's Haki, and I could have sworn that meant an affinity for both CoA and CoO too. I assume he just never had a chance to use it. This includes with Smoker too, since we didn't see that fight there's any number of reasons why he said that line. Akainu, meanwhile, killed him too fast and probably had a better mastery of CoA at least.
It kind of sucks, and brings things like writing quality and retcons into question, but it's still practical.
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Didn't Ace have haki? He was stated in both a flashback and a brief line in Marineford to have King's Haki, and I could have sworn that meant an affinity for both CoA and CoO too. I assume he just never had a chance to use it. This includes with Smoker too, since we didn't see that fight there's any number of reasons why he said that line. Akainu, meanwhile, killed him too fast and probably had a better mastery of CoA at least.
It kind of sucks, and brings things like writing quality and retcons into question, but it's still practical.
We saw him use King's Haki when he was seven years old, yes. But I don't know about the second thing, a brief line in Marineford where they said he had it?? Anyways, I might look the Ace vs Smoker scene up in the Manga later to see what exactly happened.
But no, having CoC does not mean that you can automatically use or have an affinity for the other two shades.
It was a theory of mine that having an affinity for the CoC shade gives you an automatic affinity for the other two as well, however not as strong as somebody's affinity for either two shades. But it's only a theory and nothing has been said about something of the sort yet.But anyways, off to re-read the Ace vs Smoker part…
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Well since Ace was an experienced New World pirate I think he should at least have known about all ranks in the Marines from Vice Admiral and higher having Haki.
He should have known that even if Akainu's ability was not superior to his, Akainu would have used Haki to bring him down anyways.Would this indicate that Ace did in fact have Haki and he thought he could fight Akainu equally? Then the plot hole still remains that he did not use it in Alabasta, unless the entire fight between Ace and Smoker did not happen in the manga.
Ah, that's true. He definitely should've known about Akainu's haki. Maybe he was just that stupid and/or thought Akainu wouldn't be able to use it well in an elemental fight?@onemoment:
Didn't Ace have haki? He was stated in both a flashback and a brief line in Marineford to have King's Haki, and I could have sworn that meant an affinity for both CoA and CoO too. I assume he just never had a chance to use it. This includes with Smoker too, since we didn't see that fight there's any number of reasons why he said that line. Akainu, meanwhile, killed him too fast and probably had a better mastery of CoA at least.
It kind of sucks, and brings things like writing quality and retcons into question, but it's still practical.
It don't think it means that. Enel had one the best CoO abilities in One Piece and couldn't use CoA.
This getting really off-topic though. Here: http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=19200&page=243
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What's there to even think about, it doesn't matter one bit if he could have thought that he can take on Akainu, it's in his freaking character to stupidly rush in in such a situation, even if he knows that he has no chance to win
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What's there to even think about, it doesn't matter one bit if he could have thought that he can take on Akainu, it's in his freaking character to stupidly rush in in such a situation, even if he knows that he has no chance to win
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=19200&page=243&p=2878678&viewfull=1#post2878678
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@Dan:
Why is that ridiculous?
OK let me explain… Strenght wise Caribou even for Jinbe is a piece of shit... Who tadda owned him... Same Jinbe who fought rookie Ace to a draw
Every VA is stated to have haki, Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, Law, DoFla, Pekoms and others have haki... Even fodder Tashigi and Coby have haki… Pre skip Enel at least was able to master CoO haki... Fodder citizens at Amazon Lily have haki and so on...
Now we have Ace... Son of Roger who has activated CoC at young age, a praised rookie by Sengoku himself, a rookie who an invitation to Shichibukai and finally joined the WBs, the damn strongest crew at the world... And well we know from at least 4 people having haki there.
So if he hasn't learned any type of haki in this time cuz he thinks he is super strong with his logia... he was either damn stupid, untalented as shit or WB and Co gave a shit about it, but still let him fight NW crews on his own left and right, where as it seems haki is common to even fodder.
Seriously... Either Oda hasn't thought about it in this scene or Ace just wanted to make Smoker retreat cuz of his statement... Everything else is ridiculous if we see the standards now
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No it's not… It was in the manga translated like this as well... Aohige confirmed the translation and stephen said he made a mistake in his old translation
And if he was just faking it for some reason... Ace wouldn't be even able to beat someone as Caribou without getting knowledge on his weakness... Which is just damn ridiculous... So either Oda hasn't thought of it back than or Ace was just comparing their abilities without haki to let Smoker retreat without fight.
Thanks for the correction. Good to know.
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OK let me explain… Strenght wise Caribou even for Jinbe is a piece of shit... Who tadda owned him... Same Jinbe who fought rookie Ace to a draw
Every VA is stated to have haki, Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, Law, DoFla, Pekoms and others have haki... Even fodder Tashigi and Coby have haki… Pre skip Enel at least was able to master CoO haki... Fodder citizens at Amazon Lily have haki and so on...
Now we have Ace... Son of Roger who has activated CoC at young age, a praised rookie by Sengoku himself, a rookie who an invitation to Shichibukai and finally joined the WBs, the damn strongest crew at the world... And well we know from at least 4 people having haki there.
So if he hasn't learned any type of haki in this time cuz he thinks he is super strong with his logia... he was either damn stupid, untalented as shit or WB and Co gave a shit about it, but still let him fight NW crews on his own left and , where as it seems haki is common to even fodder.
Seriously... Either Oda hasn't thought about it in this scene or Ace just wanted to make Smoker retreat cuz of his statement... Everything else is ridiculous if we see the standards now
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=19200&page=243&p=2878678&viewfull=1#post2878678
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HI. Just in case anymore people don't click the link above, I'm here to point out that the OFF-TOPIC discussion has moved to an appropriate thread. Thank You.
In any case:
So do you think Luffy will give her the fruit, then she'll go get her ass kicked and then Luffy defeats Dofla for her?
Very much so, actually :V
Like hell Rebecca would be able to beat Doflamingo. She'll probably just be used as a scapegoat for Luffy to have a valid reason to beat the shit out of Doffy.
How I see things happening is:
1. Rebecca wins her Battle Royale
2a. Rebecca loses her fight against one of the Donquixote Officers (assuming two of the other Battle Royale Winners lose their fight) OR
2b. Rebecca wins her fight against one of the Donquixote Officers (assuming all of the other Battle Winners win their fight)
3. In either case, she loses in the fight against either a) one of the participants (Bartolomeo!) or b) Diamante (assuming all of the winners will have to fight Diamante)
4. Then, her heartbreaking story is revealed. Luffy likes her.
5. Luffy pummels Diamante, wins the fruit, and gives it to her.
6. Rebecca somehow gets in the place to fight Doffy and loses.
7. Luffy does it for her.
8. Either Rebecca goes of on her own or joins the crew. This part is for another thread, and I'm fine with whatever happens. -
Hmm, why are you guys arguing about aces comment? He just said that neither of their powers will bet the other one.
He just said that Smoker could not pass. There is nothing about him not beeing able to defeat Smoker.
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Hmm, why are you guys arguing about aces comment? He just said that neither of their powers will bet the other one.
He just said that Smoker could not pass. There is nothing about him not beeing able to defeat Smoker.
Just that Smoker was not able to defeat him.God damnit. How did you miss this:@Jackermeister:
This getting really off-topic though. Here: http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=19200&page=243
this:
@Jackermeister:http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=19200&page=243&p=2878678&viewfull=1#post2878678
this:
@Jackermeister:http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=19200&page=243&p=2878678&viewfull=1#post2878678
and this?
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@400MillionBelis:
3. In either case, she loses in the fight against either a) one of the participants (Bartolomeo!) or b) Diamante (assuming all of the winners will have to fight Diamante)
4. Then, her heartbreaking story is revealed. Luffy likes her.
5. Luffy pummels Diamante, wins the fruit, and gives it to her.
6. Rebecca somehow gets in the place to fight Doffy and loses.
7. Luffy does it for her.
8. Either Rebecca goes of on her own or joins the crew. This part is for another thread, and I'm fine with whatever happens.Ok, she loses in the tournament. Luffy gives her the fruit anyway, knowing that she'll fight doffy?
Luffy is not an asshole, he wouldn't encourage someone to get killed!!
If she is not strong enough to win the tournament, Doffy is out of her league any way!Also, BB is interested in the fruit! He would have to protect her ass not only from Doffy, he would have to defend her from anybody in the new world!
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Ok, she loses in the tournament. Luffy gives her the fruit anyway, knowing that she'll fight doffy?
Yes.
Luffy is not an asshole, he wouldn't encourage someone to get killed!!
What in the world makes him an asshole if he does that? Luffy respects the will of people, and he will surely respect Rebecca's will to defeat Doflamingo. Do you actually see Luffy denying Rebecca (or anyone for the matter) to not see through their goal, even if it's a suicide mission? The only times he denied like that to a degree was when Vivi wanted no casualties to happen during the Alabasta war (which Luffy invalidates) and when during Luffy and Usopp's argument at Water 7 (and even then, he let Usopp do what he wanted shortly after, despite knowing Usopp can't survive by himself). He is not encouraging her to kill herself - he will be supporting her to meet her goal. Luffy also believes one does not have to go through their pain alone, so he will surely be there when Rebecca calls for it, much like every other time some friend went on a suicide mission (Usopp vs. Franky House).
Also, BB is interested in the fruit! He would have to protect her ass not only from Doffy, he would have to defend her from anybody in the new world!
If a weakling gets the fruit this person will need a lot of protection.That's assuming Blackbeard would go to lengths to get that fruit; it's not a Yami Yami or a Gura Gura. And Rebecca probably isn't THAT weak.
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@400MillionBelis:
What in the world makes him an asshole if he does that? Luffy respects the will of people, and he will surely respect Rebecca's will to defeat Doflamingo. Do you actually see Luffy denying Rebecca (or anyone for the matter) to not see through their goal, even if it's a suicide mission? The only times he denied like that to a degree was when Vivi wanted no casualties to happen during the Alabasta war (which Luffy invalidates) and when during Luffy and Usopp's argument at Water 7 (and even then, he let Usopp do what he wanted shortly after, despite knowing Usopp can't survive by himself). He is not encouraging her to kill herself - he will be supporting her to meet her goal. Luffy also believes one does not have to go through their pain alone, so he will surely be there when Rebecca calls for it, much like every other time some friend went on a suicide mission (Usopp vs. Franky House).
Just wanna point out, he also did it in one of the very first arcs, with Buggy.
The mayor wanted to go fight Buggy and Luffy really admired his will to fight, but eventually he smacked him unconscious so Luffy could go fight Buggy, because the major just would have gotten himself killed and / or gotten in the way.
However, the mayor was not a warrior and not very strong. We're in the New World here and Rebecca has her pride. The situation is a bit different now. -
@400MillionBelis:
HI. Just in case anymore people don't click the link above, I'm here to point out that the OFF-TOPIC discussion has moved to an appropriate thread. Thank You.
In any case:
Very much so, actually :V
Like hell Rebecca would be able to beat Doflamingo. She'll probably just be used as a scapegoat for Luffy to have a valid reason to beat the shit out of Doffy.
How I see things happening is:
1. Rebecca wins her Battle Royale
2a. Rebecca loses her fight against one of the Donquixote Officers (assuming two of the other Battle Royale Winners lose their fight) OR
2b. Rebecca wins her fight against one of the Donquixote Officers (assuming all of the other Battle Winners win their fight)
3. In either case, she loses in the fight against either a) one of the participants (Bartolomeo!) or b) Diamante (assuming all of the winners will have to fight Diamante)
4. Then, her heartbreaking story is revealed. Luffy likes her.
5. Luffy pummels Diamante, wins the fruit, and gives it to her.
6. Rebecca somehow gets in the place to fight Doffy and loses.
7. Luffy does it for her.
8. Either Rebecca goes of on her own or joins the crew. This part is for another thread, and I'm fine with whatever happens.Even though I could see the situation in which Rebecca serves as the emotional backstory that makes Luffy really want to pummel Dofla, and even though I could see him giving her the fruit, I have a huge problem with your theory:
There's no way things will go as smoothly as that. Last chapter we saw just how much outside players are interfering in events, and while I do think everything will more forward to the point of fighting the Doflamingo Family, maybe even Diamante, I really really doubt they'll just go to Luffy and say "Hey, you won the tournament, here you go!" and everyone will be ok with that. It's not like Dofla, and not like Dressrosa either considering it seems like they all love him and his family.
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Even though I could see the situation in which Rebecca serves as the emotional backstory that makes Luffy really want to pummel Dofla, and even though I could see him giving her the fruit, I have a huge problem with your theory:
Yes, I wrote that out purposefully without considering other circumstances (like the inevitable interference of Fujitora) because that would be a long list of circumstances. But the gist is someway or another, Rebecca will get the fruit.
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EDIT: didn't refresh the page, and replied to something off topic.
Still would prefer Rebecca getting the fruit, if she does become nakama and is developed more, compared to anyone else right now. Definitely would hate it if Sanji got it since it would change his fighting style. Talking about fire, I hate how he's associated with it now. Having his kicks heated up and leaving scorch marks, was one thing, but being enveloped in fire and setting shit on fire is getting ridiculous.
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@400MillionBelis:
HI. Just in case anymore people don't click the link above, I'm here to point out that the OFF-TOPIC discussion has moved to an appropriate thread. Thank You.
In any case:
Very much so, actually :V
Like hell Rebecca would be able to beat Doflamingo. She'll probably just be used as a scapegoat for Luffy to have a valid reason to beat the shit out of Doffy.
How I see things happening is:
1. Rebecca wins her Battle Royale
2a. Rebecca loses her fight against one of the Donquixote Officers (assuming two of the other Battle Royale Winners lose their fight) OR
2b. Rebecca wins her fight against one of the Donquixote Officers (assuming all of the other Battle Winners win their fight)
3. In either case, she loses in the fight against either a) one of the participants (Bartolomeo!) or b) Diamante (assuming all of the winners will have to fight Diamante)
4. Then, her heartbreaking story is revealed. Luffy likes her.
5. Luffy pummels Diamante, wins the fruit, and gives it to her.
6. Rebecca somehow gets in the place to fight Doffy and loses.
7. Luffy does it for her.
8. Either Rebecca goes of on her own or joins the crew. This part is for another thread, and I'm fine with whatever happens.Worst possible heir to Ace's fruit if that happens. :S
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Waiting to see Bartolomeo. And Rebecca getting the mera-mera no mi, we don't know anything about her. If she is a weakling she shouldn't get Ace's DF.
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@Gear:
Waiting to see Bartolomeo. And Rebecca getting the mera-mera no mi, we don't know anything about her.
@400MillionBelis:
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97895660/Rebecca.png
2. Getting along with Lucy, and her apparent relief when they are not in the same block.
3. Biting her lip.
4. Being mocked.
5. The emphasis on her for 4 pages (not two).
6. The obvious conflict that she's keeping secret. (I don't see her going Baby 5 either.)In any case, these foreshadows don't "seal the deal" until everything is over and done with, but in its current stance, Rebecca (as set-up currently) is the likeliest person to get the fruit. She has a purpose to be fighting for the fruit, she has a use for the fruit, and her goal is essentially tied-in with the Straw Hats'. None of the (at least current + Jimbei) Straw Hats are suddenly going to get an unprecedented addition to their already unique and characterized fighting styles. The other participants (who are necessarily "named fodder") are definitely not going to get the fruit. Cavendish is set-up to be a conflicting character (that we will most likely see even after this arc/saga), and not as important as Rebecca or Bartolomeo would be to the arc. I can see arguments for Bartolomeo, but right now he's just a dastard pirate whose goal is most likely the same as most others, get the fruit and cause havoc.
Adding to this, we know way more about Rebecca than Bartolomeo. Even with the four pages we had of Rebecca, we knows she's formidable enough to be a gladiator, has a backstory, a vendetta against Doflamingo, and gets along with Lucy.
As we expected of Bartolemeo, he's much like any other violent pirate from the one page silhouette we get of him.
@Gear:
If she is a weakling she shouldn't get Ace's DF.
Rebecca isn't THAT big of a weakling. She's still a gladiator you know.
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@400MillionBelis:
Rebecca isn't THAT big of a weakling. She's still a gladiator you know.
And there's a complete difference between "should" and "would".You saw spartan?
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@400MillionBelis:
Adding to this, we know way more about Rebecca than Bartolomeo. Even with the four pages we had of Rebecca, we knows she's formidable enough to be a gladiator, has a backstory, a vendetta against Doflamingo, and gets along with Lucy.
As we expected of Bartolemeo, he's much like any other violent pirate from the one page silhouette we get of him.
Rebecca isn't THAT big of a weakling. She's still a gladiator you know.
And there's a complete difference between "should" and "would".Being a gladiator doesn't really mean much seeing as how Luffy took one out in the waiting room, and Burgess easily won his round. The backstory/vendeta only foreshadows her importance in the arc, not her strength. Although I definitely would prefer if she was strong.
@Dan:
They didn't put words in your mouth. At all. It's always a laugh when people get so defensive when they don't want to admit they might have said something wrong.
The reason Ace didn't ever bring up Haki was more than likely the same reason it wasn't brought up at all, by anyone; Oda wasn't ready to reveal it. Ace very possibly couldn't control it at all, but without a doubt, he knew about it.
If I was wrong, I'd admit it, but I'm obviously not going to do that when other people misunderstand my post. It's never a laugh when I read posts like yours, it's frustrating.
If you believe Oda had already thought up Haki when Ace was introduced, go ahead, lol. If you want to discuss it then post, http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=19200&page=246 There's a difference between what was in the manga, what should have been in the manga, and retcons.
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Being a gladiator doesn't really mean much seeing as how Luffy took one out in the waiting room, and Burgess easily won his round. The backstory/vendeta only foreshadows her importance in the arc, not her strength. Although I definitely would prefer if she was strong.
You saw spartan?
You saw the guy who took him down?
Note on how I emphasized the word "that" in what I said. Rebecca will never defeat Doflamingo, much like how Nami would probably never defeat Doflamingo either. Rebecca is a formidable enough to stand on her own. It is ridiculous to think that only those who can compare to Luffy, Burgess, or Doflamingo should get the fruit.
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@400MillionBelis:
You saw the guy who took him down?
Note on how I emphasized the word "that" in what I said. Rebecca will never defeat Doflamingo, much like how Nami would probably never defeat Doflamingo either. Rebecca is a formidable enough to stand on her own. It is ridiculous to think that only those who can compare to Luffy, Burgess, or Doflamingo should get the fruit.
We have no idea how strong she is and if she's not even strong enough to win her group and at least beat one of DD's crew members (whose not even his top tier members), yes she has no business eating the fruit. Characters that weak have no place eating one of the strongest fruits out there, I'd rather a villain eat it than some weakling.
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@400MillionBelis:
Adding to this, we know way more about Rebecca than Bartolomeo. Even with the four pages we had of Rebecca, we knows she's formidable enough to be a gladiator, has a backstory, a vendetta against Doflamingo, and gets along with Lucy.
As we expected of Bartolemeo, he's much like any other violent pirate from the one page silhouette we get of him.
Rebecca isn't THAT big of a weakling. She's still a gladiator you know.
And there's a complete difference between "should" and "would".We can know more about Bartolomeo from upcoming chapters. And we know that Rebecca definitely has a backstory and is gonna play a role in this arc. But that doesn't give her the mera mera no mi.
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@400MillionBelis:
What in the world makes him an asshole if he does that? Luffy respects the will of people, and he will surely respect Rebecca's will to defeat Doflamingo. Do you actually see Luffy denying Rebecca (or anyone for the matter) to not see through their goal, even if it's a suicide mission?
That's assuming Blackbeard would go to lengths to get that fruit; it's not a Yami Yami or a Gura Gura. And Rebecca probably isn't THAT weak.
He also wouldn't have allowed Nami to fight Arlong alone and definitely not a guy who is a huge thread to himself.
Now the reasons why Doffy would kill her. He wouldn't, he would make a trade with BB who seems interesting in the DF.
That's the same reason anybody in the new world should have an interest in weak people with strong fruits.
And with Burgess being sent to the tournament I guess everybody knows that BB is interested.Why do I think she is not on a Level to defeat Doffy. If I recall correctly, Rebecca is an undefeated gladiator in the coliseum, but spartan was still able to "bully" her. She seems to be definitely more powerful than him, but to be undefeated against guys like spartan is not that difficult.
Most participants in general see the Mera Mera as extremely powerful, which let's me think that they are quite weak. It is a strong fruit, but in the end it is just a fruit. The stronger the fighters the less advantages are due to their fruits. They are still difference makers, in top tier fights. But the opponents have to be on an about equal level.If Luffy would help her, it would be more like a, let me do it for you or a don't worry about Doffy, Kaido will take care of him.
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So, what I'm gleaming from this thread is that a bunch of posters only want someone to eat the Flame-Flame Fruit if that character is "strong". Yeah, that's basically a bunch of bullshit. I'm not going to exclude the possibility that someone who's higher up on the totem pole will get the fruit, but to deny a character because you don't think they'll be strong enough is to prioritize some stupid perception of characters over what could be some awesome character and story moments.
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We have no idea how strong she is and if she's not even strong enough to win her group and at least beat one of DD's crew members (whose not even his top tier members), yes she has no business eating the fruit. Characters that weak have no place eating one of the strongest fruits out there, I'd rather a villain eat it than some weakling.
@Gear:
IF she is weaker than someone Luffy one-shotted she won't be getting Ace's DF.
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4. to fall short by (a specified amount): The sum collected wants but a few dollars of the desired amount.
5. to require or need: The house wants painting.can [kan; unstressed kuhn]
auxiliary verb
1. to be able to; have the ability, power, or skill to: She can solve the problem easily, I'm sure.
2. to know how to: He can play chess, although he's not particularly good at it.
3. to have the power or means to: A dictator can impose his will on the people.
4. to have the right or qualifications to: He can change whatever he wishes in the script.
5. may; have permission to: Can I speak to you for a moment?Also I don't know why in the world the italicized sentences aren't appearing.
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Why do I think she is not on a Level to defeat Doffy. If I recall correctly, Rebecca is an undefeated gladiator in the coliseum, but spartan was still able to "bully" her. She seems to be definitely more powerful than him, but to be undefeated against guys like spartan is not that difficult.
Most participants in general see the Mera Mera as extremely powerful, which let's me think that they are quite weak. It is a strong fruit, but in the end it is just a fruit. The stronger the fighters the less advantages are due to their fruits. They are still difference makers, in top tier fights. But the opponents have to be on an about equal levelExcept Spartan was a 51-time winner. If Rebecca was indeed "undefeated" in terms of combat, then that shouldn't be true.
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Except Spartan was a 51-time winner. If Rebecca was indeed "undefeated" in terms of combat, then that shouldn't be true.
But doesn't the same apply to Diamante? Maybe Rebecca & Spartan participated in different tournaments.
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So, what I'm gleaming from this thread is that a bunch of posters only want someone to eat the Flame-Flame Fruit if that character is "strong". Yeah, that's basically a bunch of bullshit. I'm not going to exclude the possibility that someone who's higher up on the totem pole will get the fruit, but to deny a character because you don't think they'll be strong enough is to prioritize some stupid perception of characters over what could be some awesome character and story moments.
I think right now it's only me who is prioritizeing a strong person. Let me explain to you why.
A Logia power will instantly make the weakest charakter into an 100+ mio guy. These people become 100 mio fodder.
Most mid level fighters with haki could easiely defeat them. They are easy prey.
Look at Monet, CC, Caribo… ok, CC got some nice tricks but is still weak.
That's not fair to Ace.Also, lets say, Luffy gives the fruit Jesus wants to Rebecca. He would simply say thanks for the fruit and take Rebecca.
In Rebeccas case she doesn't even want the fruit. She wants to defeat DD, it she could do it with a magic stone, she would take the stone instead of the fruit. -
I will be honest… if there is something true about Bartolomeo being Sabo... Damn give him the Mera Mera... I would prefer it over anyone else
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Is this a theory now? Bartolomeo being Sabo? Wow.
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Is this a theory now? Bartolomeo being Sabo? Wow.
Well let us call it… Far stretched theory
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Is this a theory now? Bartolomeo being Sabo? Wow.
This is Arlong Park. Everyone we don't know is Sabo.
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But doesn't the same apply to Diamante? Maybe Rebecca & Spartan participated in different tournaments.
Spartan seems to be the winner of the monthly tournament, which I assume is the standard tournament. Diamante probably doesn't participate in those.
Considering the fact that Rebecca is well-known by the other gladiators, yet doesn't get any sort of respect from them, implies that her title of "undefeated woman" is probably not as impressive as it sounds. It could even carry a negative meaning.
I will be honest… if there is something true about Bartolomeo being Sabo... Damn give him the Mera Mera... I would prefer it over anyone else
Please, don't bring insane Naruto Forums theories here. This thread is already bad without those.
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This is Arlong Park. Everyone we don't know is Sabo.
WRONG!
Everyone we don't know AND we know is Sabo. Get your facts straight !!
Heck, even I'm Sabo !
The rule is everyone we don't know is Sabo, unless proven otherwise. When proven otherwise, it is Sabo either a) with a devil fruit b) time traveling c) committed plastic surgery through Vegapunk. You can replace "Sabo" with "Sabo's child".
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Spartan seems to be the winner of the monthly tournament, which I assume is the standard tournament. Diamante probably doesn't participate in those.
Considering the fact that Rebecca is well-known by the other gladiators, yet doesn't get any sort of respect from them, implies that her title of "undefeated woman" is probably not as impressive as it sounds. It could even carry a negative meaning.
Please, don't bring insane Naruto Forums theories here. This thread is already bad without those.
Well not NF theories… But if Jesus, a Yonkou member, randomly jumped in this battle at colloseum and Coby may enter as well being at one of the battleships... I wouldn't be suprised if Bartolomeo will be a bigger player as we think, seeing that he still was shown just as shadow instead of a proper introduction as Cavendish who was named in the same panel as him the first time
And seeing AOHIGES post he may get the fruit... No matter if he is Sabo or just a new character
Btw, Bartolomeo may be based on the same pirate as Ace.
Bartolomeu Portugues. And he's after Mera Mera.Sorta like BB, WB, and Thatch were all based on the same pirate, and BB ended up taking the other two's fruits.
Possible parallels in theme there, Oda.No matter what… Alone for this Aohige post I think he has damn good chances for the fruit
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I will stick with my "The only Luffy nakama who will get mera mera is Sanji". But don't forget I was the first that called Coby getting it…
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I will stick with my "The only Luffy nakama who will get mera mera is Sanji". But don't forget I was the first that called Coby getting it…
Seriously doubt it, I've heard of that theory since the moment Ace dying freed up the mera mera no mi.
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Okay I think someone from Toei is a fan of having sanji with the devil fruit, the guy in the anime is becoming more and more like a super Saiyan there.
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Okay I think someone from Toei is a fan of having sanji with the devil fruit, the guy in the anime is becoming more and more like a super Saiyan there.
Actually, Sanji is a super Saiyan!
The name is a good indicator. Just shift the "n" two spots to the left and change the "ya" to in "i". Tada.Facts:
He powers up through emotions, which produce an awesome lightshow.
He is a orphan, because he got sent to a far away planet.
He tries to conquer and to rule the grandline.
Since he was to weak, he looked for a stronger leader, who is a pirate like Frieza.
He is so weak, he has to always stay in ssj mode otherwise we would already have seen him with black hair.
His fight with Wadatsumi was just a hint that his BB opponent will be San Juan Wolf, whom he'll fight in Ozaru mode.
And if the anime is a good source, he can shot energy beams out of his body.
I'm just waiting for his hair and tail to grow.