@Fleet-Admiral:
Yes, and i still see that possibility, but im not saying anything FOR SURE.
A Fleet Admiral who's not even 20? The Marines would become a laughing stock.
@Fleet-Admiral:
Yes, and i still see that possibility, but im not saying anything FOR SURE.
A Fleet Admiral who's not even 20? The Marines would become a laughing stock.
A Fleet Admiral who's not even 20? The Marines would become a laughing stock.
What about King of Pirates who's not even 20? Where does those age's read anyway. Coby is young for sure but he is older than 20 when he gets position.
@Fleet-Admiral:
but he is older than 20 when he gets position.
So it won't be at the same time as Luffy becoming PK.
So it won't be at the same time as Luffy becoming PK.
How old is Coby now anyway and how do you know when Luffy becomes PK?
@Fleet-Admiral:
What about King of Pirates who's not even 20? Where does those age's read anyway. Coby is young for sure but he is older than 20 when he gets position.
Pirate King is not a position of authority, FA on the other hand is. Do you really think 40 year old veteran Marines would follow a greenhorn like Coby?
Furthermore, Coby is still a captain post-TS while it gets harder and harder to climb the ranks.
@Fleet-Admiral:
How old is Coby now anyway and how do you know when Luffy becomes PK?
Dunno how old Coby is, but Luffy is 19. I assume Coby is younger than him. It won't take years for Luffy to become PK. Or are you expecting another timeskip before that?
Pirate King is not a position of authority, FA on the other hand is. Do you really think 40 year old veteran Marines would follow a greenhorn like Coby? Furthermore, Coby is still a captain post-TS while it gets harder and harder to climb the ranks.
Age has nothing to do with him being FA. Coby has more priority than almost every Marine and he is Garps student. If you know when Coby/Helmeppo will be introduced again please do tell since that factors in how strong they will be.
Pirate King is not a position of authority, FA on the other hand is. Do you really think 40 year old veteran Marines would follow a greenhorn like Coby?
Furthermore, Coby is still a captain post-TS while it gets harder and harder to climb the ranks.
It just sounds ridicilous as well. Yonko also needs experience keeping he's position. Roger wasn't some kid when he became PK?
And why wouldnt if he convince them enough? Its true that someting unordinary must happen. These are just theories, so dont take this too hard. I just see that this could be something that Oda would do to suprise us.
Coby is already a Captain, which in itself, is quite extraordinary. He gives orders to people older than him. I see why it would be odd if he became FA that young, but Oda can take liberties with that and it's not far-fetched that Coby grows that much in terms of personality till Luffy becomes PK.
he could get to that position after luffy is pirate king and helps him geting tehre by beating the @#$#%$^ out of all the admirals, VA and the current fleet admiral.
then maybe we can talk about that as a possibility. as miyamoto and jackermister said, getting to the top of the marines is different than getting to the top of pirates. you need experience and respect apart from power.
the pirates just have to beat up people and dominate to gain power. you beat up someone to get them as underlings. you beat up a lot of someones to gain territory. you gain a lot of territory and fight yonkou you can maybe be considered yonkou. same as shichibukai, need to beat a lot of people or gain notoriety, and then you might get considered.
very different ways to get to the top between pirates and marines.
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@Fleet-Admiral:
It just sounds ridicilous as well. Yonko also needs experience keeping he's position. Roger wasn't some kid when he became PK?
And why wouldnt if he convince them enough? Its true that someting unordinary must happen. These are just theories, so dont take this too hard. I just see that this could be something that Oda would do to suprise us.
he wasnt a kid but he also didnt start being a pirate as a kid
Here's what I think: Luffy is almost 20 years old now, and he will be 21 once he reaches Raftel.
Then he will be teleportet to the moon, and stay there for 4 years. Then he'll return back to the Earth as a 25 years old pirate king Luffy, while Coby will be waiting him as a youngest and the strongest admiral ever. (around 22-23 years old)
Does Coby even want to become FA? His mind is set to Admiral but hey his growth has been extremely fast so anything is possible in this story.
@Formation:
Age has nothing to do with him being FA. Coby has more priority than almost every Marine and he is Garps student. If you know when Coby/Helmeppo will be introduced again please do tell since that factors in how strong they will be.
Yes, it actually does. FA is not a position of strength but of leadership, authority, intelligence and so forth.
Are you guys sure coby is a Marine captain?I mean episode of luffy was full of incoherencies I doubt Oda had any say in it's production,I wouldn't trust any information coming from it as canon.
Yeah Coby's growth is amazing… From being fodder to East Blue Luffy to becoming fodder to Enies Lobby Luffy, which was even stated by Garp.
After that still being absolute fodder to MHQ war Luffy... Yeah his growth is amazing compared to Luffy and others and for sure at the time Luffy will fight the likes as BB, Akainu and other top tiers Coby will a serious threat and an admiral level figther.
Being more serious...
I agree with the people, who say that Coby will be admiral AFTER the time Luffy has become pirate king... In a so called epilogue
Why are we talking about Coby becoming Fleet Admiral? His dream is to become a marine admiral. Nothing more has been implied.
I personally think Smoker will be Fleet Admiral.
Smoker definitely is more Fleet Admiral material than Coby strength and courage wise. But then again he's also a troublemaker so he's probably never gonna be put in charge of whole marine organization. :ermm:
No Helmeppo will kill anybody that tries to go after the FA position, it's for Coby to take.
@400MillionBelis:
I personally think Smoker will be Fleet Admiral.
I think it could very well be Aokiji with Smoker in his side. I think Aokiji´s statement in chapter 699 shows that he sees things clearer now which could indicate him being better suited than before.
Sorry, but i just don't see Smoker becoming Fleet-Admiral. I just can't imagine a guy who doesn't care about rules at all, leading whole Marines. G-5 fits fine to him, so he should just be a Base Commander of that unit. He also hasn't grown so much past 2 years. Vergo is not weak, but he kicked his ass pretty badly (don't forget Law either )
Of course he might get Admiral rank, but who want's to promote just a rascal to that job. Same reason why Garp hasn't been Admiral either. Still they could play important role.
@Fleet-Admiral:
Of course he might get Admiral rank, but who want's to promote just a rascal to that job. Same reason why Garp hasn't been Admiral either. Still they could play important role.
Garp refused the job many times.
@Fleet-Admiral:
I could imagine Smoker doing same.
Who would be crazy enough to propose such a job to a guy like Smoker.
I believe smoker can make it to Fleet Admiral. Aside from everyone mopping the floor with him, this last arc has made hiim look to the Marines and Pirates from a different perspective in my opinion.
we all know Akainu won't get a gold watch and peacefully retire after seeing his ideals and obviously him killing Ace. In addition the WG is hiding information (void century etc) and we've been given more than enough scenes where they're portrayed as the bad guys which well proves their corruption.
With the WG being overthrown (lets not forget Dragon) there will be room for a remodeled WG and Marines where Smoker can lead and maybe even have Coby as an Admiral.
Who would be crazy enough to propose such a job to a guy like Smoker.
I'm pretty sure Aokiji is one of the most irresponsible people in the OPverse and yet Sengoku saw fit to recommend him.
No Smoker will be this Generations Garp so that means he will stay VA but be Admiral lvl or be Admiral. He turned down promotions which is the same thing Garp did. Smoker will find more info when Aokiji tells him info he has never heard of.
@Formation:
No Smoker will be this Generations Garp so that means he will stay VA but be Admiral lvl or be Admiral. He turned down promotions which is the same thing Garp did. Smoker will find more info when Aokiji tells him info he has never heard of.
Smoker never turned downed a promotion. Stop making stuff up.
I'm pretty sure Aokiji is one of the most irresponsible people in the OPverse and yet Sengoku saw fit to recommend him.
Probably because Aokiji was once a good marine.
You guys obviously don't get it. Coby and Helmeppo are like Garp and Sengoku.
Therefore Coby will never realize his dream of becoming admiral, being stuck at VA. and Helmeppo will become the Fleet Admiral
@Foxy:
Smoker never turned downed a promotion. Stop making stuff up.
It's on the wikipedia page
@Formation:
It's on the wikipedia page
Now it's confirmed that you're a delusional troll.
@Foxy:
Now it's confirmed that you're a delusional troll.
If I remember well at Alabasta the World Government tried to give Smoker a promotion, for defeating Crocodile, which he refused.
If I remember well at Alabasta the World Government tried to give Smoker a promotion, for defeating Crocodile, which he refused.
He went from Captain (Taisa) to Commodore (Junsho).
You guys obviously don't get it. Coby and Helmeppo are like Garp and Sengoku.
Therefore Coby will never realize his dream of becoming admiral, being stuck at VA. and Helmeppo will become the Fleet Admiral
If anything I think Smoker = Sengoku and Coby = Garp
Helmeppo = Bogart
@Foxy:
Now it's confirmed that you're a delusional troll.
Dude, stop insulting him, are we 12 year olds or something? He is clearly referring to scene where Smoker turned down the promotion by insulting the Gorosei. In the end, he still had to accept the promotion to Commodore though.
I believe smoker can make it to Fleet Admiral. Aside from everyone mopping the floor with him, this last arc has made hiim look to the Marines and Pirates from a different perspective in my opinion.
we all know Akainu won't get a gold watch and peacefully retire after seeing his ideals and obviously him killing Ace. In addition the WG is hiding information (void century etc) and we've been given more than enough scenes where they're portrayed as the bad guys which well proves their corruption.
With the WG being overthrown (lets not forget Dragon) there will be room for a remodeled WG and Marines where Smoker can lead and maybe even have Coby as an Admiral.
HMnn…
Way Rayleigh put it there's a possibility that the sides aren't as clear cut as they may have seemed
Yes, it actually does. FA is not a position of strength but of leadership, authority, intelligence and so forth.
Yet in the end…
Guess they were just making a political statement on irony by knocking that other stuff out the window; to decide it in a no holds barred fight.:ninja:
@LUFFYSMC:
HMnn…
Way Rayleigh put it there's a possibility that the sides aren't as clear cut as they may have seemedYet in the end...
Guess they were just making a political statement on irony by knocking that other stuff out the window; to decide it in a no holds barred fight.:ninja:
That was because both candidates already had the necessary requirements that i mentioned
That was because both candidates already had the necessary requirements that i mentioned
But you also said:
FA is not a position of strength
Maybe not strength alone, but if it was the final method of picking, it obviously plays a big(ger) part in the decision than you seem to admit.
@LUFFYSMC:
But you also said:
Maybe not strength alone, but if it was the final method of picking, it obviously plays a big(ger) part in the decision than you seem to admit.
Sengoku did not pick Aokiji because of his strength but because of his mild and calm nature, the WG picked Akainu because of his aggressive and absolute nature towards pirates and criminals in general. The FA even in the conflict was not picked because of his strength but because the two who were competing agreed to forfeit all future rights. Akainu was not picked by the WG and Sengoku because he won against Aokiji, Akainu became FA because the admirals agreed that the winner would become FA. Even if that were not the case, you are already nitpicking right now.
That was because both candidates already had the necessary requirements that i mentioned
But they also had the qualities of (political position) and strength that you stated categorically had nothing to do with it. Strength, position, 'authority, leadership, intelligence and so forth' is, + was all intertwined in the deciding of that decision; this is my point. They couldn't really have 1 quality without the others, and they couldn't have been truly considered for the position without all the qualities in some form..
Sengoku did not pick Aokiji because of his strength but because of his mild and calm nature, the WG picked Akainu because of his aggressive and absolute nature towards pirates and criminals in general. The FA even in the conflict was not picked because of his strength but because the two who were competing agreed to forfeit all future rights. Akainu was not picked by the WG and Sengoku because he won against Aokiji, Akainu became FA because the admirals agreed that the winner would become FA. Even if that were not the case, you are already nitpicking right now.
And you're nitpicking right back, enough to still miss the point. When all those qualities you mentioned below were tied/ equal/ opposite/ or opposing/ w.e. they did agree to do it that way; in a way where strength came into play. And if it even came into play once, do you seriously think it might not,have ( been foreseen by the WG or Sengoku + become a factor of their decision in the 1st place?), and will, become a factor in the future as well?… So in the the end did it just became about all those qualities, + strength, or was it that way all along?.. Just because something wasn't specifically mentioned, doesn't mean it has none or even no essential bearing. If they had all those qualities to prove their position + became the FA, yet not enough power to back it up; then yeah, I see the Marines going into chaos because similar to Mihawk, you'd have people vying, + questioning to prove they were more worthy with 'their own power'. This is 'more than likely' the reason both parties chose this way to settle it without repercussions (mostly some1 gathering forces, power, + political power + coming later, and possibly staging a coup/ mutiny/ rebellion/ revolution dividing the newly reorganized forces). Something, that if sensing weakness, and or lack of strength, that not only Ao Kiji could or might attempt.
Let's see I'll use Momonga as an example: If there's little or close differences in the categories you mentioned, those could easily be made up for by time and experience. 1 could easily see him as possessing intelligence, + authority. Leadership is kind of a POV which will always have those for, in differing levels, and those against at differing levels + reasons. Momonga has also been shown to be mild and calm yet absolute in his nature 'of justice' as well, so a decent candidate for either side. So even if he was in the running( at some point behind the scenes, but not saying he was) why didn't he make it to the more final decision? Simple.. If all that got him thru the front door, then His position and power were lacking too much to get him thru the next .
The fact is a fight/ battle is also just a way to show all these qualities, including strength, but with the winner showing mostly only an edge in strength, and or an intelligence enough to overcome/ counter, equal or superior strength. This is what was agreed as a final method by both parties, yes that's a good point; when all else failed. But They could have played any number of games, or tests, or even just plain contests to finally decide. But they didn't. Instead they went with a fight. So I think it would be naive to say strength had nothing to do with it; :sad: Or that in that at least some ways FA is not a position of strength.
Yes, it actually does. FA is not a position of strength but of leadership, authority, intelligence and so forth.
Even Zoro told Luffy that he had made a great enemy(referring to Coby).. And we all know when Zoro takes interest in someone that means that person is gonna fight him or that person is really strong.(and Zoro was also interested in Helmeppos fighting style/weapon).
Why do people say that the admirals slack off when in mission? I mean Aokiji did a good job at the war and at Ohora( until Akainu srewed up) and Kizaru even had a couple of pirates in his search of the Kidd,Law and Luffy.
! @LUFFYSMC:
! > But they also had the qualities of (political position) and strength that you stated categorically had nothing to do with it. Strength, position, 'authority, leadership, intelligence and so forth' is, + was all intertwined in the deciding of that decision; this is my point. They couldn't really have 1 quality without the others, and they couldn't have been truly considered for the position without all the qualities in some form..And you're nitpicking right back, enough to still miss the point. When all those qualities you mentioned below were tied/ equal/ opposite/ or opposing/ w.e. they did agree to do it that way; in a way where strength came into play. And if it even came into play once, do you seriously think it might not,have ( been foreseen by the WG or Sengoku + become a factor of their decision in the 1st place?), and will, become a factor in the future as well?… So in the the end did it just became about all those qualities, + strength, or was it that way all along?.. Just because something wasn't specifically mentioned, doesn't mean it has none or even no essential bearing. If they had all those qualities to prove their position + became the FA, yet not enough power to back it up; then yeah, I see the Marines going into chaos because similar to Mihawk, you'd have people vying, + questioning to prove they were more worthy with 'their own power'. This is 'more than likely' the reason both parties chose this way to settle it without repercussions (mostly some1 gathering forces, power, + political power + coming later, and possibly staging a coup/ mutiny/ rebellion/ revolution dividing the newly reorganized forces). Something, that if sensing weakness, and or lack of strength, that not only Ao Kiji could or might attempt.
Let's see I'll use Momonga as an example: If there's little or close differences in the categories you mentioned, those could easily be made up for by time and experience. 1 could easily see him as possessing intelligence, + authority. Leadership is kind of a POV which will always have those for, in differing levels, and those against at differing levels + reasons. Momonga has also been shown to be mild and calm yet absolute in his nature 'of justice' as well, so a decent candidate for either side. So even if he was in the running( at some point behind the scenes, but not saying he was) why didn't he make it to the more final decision? Simple.. If all that got him thru the front door, then His position and power were lacking too much to get him thru the next .
The fact is a fight/ battle is also just a way to show all these qualities, including strength, but with the winner showing mostly only an edge in strength, and or an intelligence enough to overcome/ counter, equal or superior strength. This is what was agreed as a final method by both parties, yes that's a good point; when all else failed. But They could have played any number of games, or tests, or even just plain contests to finally decide. But they didn't. Instead they went with a fight. So I think it would be naive to say strength had nothing to do with it; :sad: Or that in that at least some ways FA is not a position of strength.
The position of an admiral as we saw it is pretty much a position of strength, it is a huge requirement but the FA is not, easy as that. The FA is primarily chosen by the WG, sometimes taking the recommendation of the previous FA into account. The WG did not choose Akainu based on his strength, the WG did not made the proposition that the two should fight on a secret island, so that the winner of the fight would become the FA and so forth. To reach the position of admiral is already a proof of your strength and the admirals pre-TS were all approx at the same level. To choose the FA on the other hand, strength does not play a role because the strength of an admiral is already apparent. So yes, the position of FA is not one based on strength.
The position of an admiral as we saw it is pretty much a position of strength, it is a huge requirement but the FA is not, easy as that. The FA is primarily chosen by the WG, sometimes taking the recommendation of the previous FA into account. The WG did not choose Akainu based on his strength, the WG did not made the proposition that the two should fight on a secret island, so that the winner of the fight would become the FA and so forth. To reach the position of admiral is already a proof of your strength and the admirals pre-TS were all approx at the same level. To choose the FA on the other hand, strength does not play a role because the strength of an admiral is already apparent. So yes, the position of FA is not one based on strength.
Im sure Akainu will lose his position sooner or later. He's just too bad guy for that job. When Coby is leading, moral justice will spread more than ever in Marines and they turn out to be "good guys" again. This would be a good ending to OP.
I must say this: Coby is definition of perfect Marine. He will get very high rank someday and im pretty sure it's highest you can get in that organization.
@Fleet-Admiral:
Im sure Akainu will lose his position sooner or later. He's just too bad guy for that job. When Coby is leading, moral justice will spread more than ever in Marines and they turn out to be "good guys" again. This would be a good ending to OP.
I must say this: Coby is definition of perfect Marine. He will get very high rank someday and im pretty sure it's highest you can get in that organization.
Akainu will obviously lose the job at one point, probably after Luffy beating him and the reform in the World Government, assuming that it exists then.
Everything else does not sound too plausible to me. There has to be someone who takes over right after Luffy beats the WG and Coby is too young for that.
ok, i have a possibly stupid question. how do the marines know about the strawhat/heart alliance? or, further, how does the newspaper know to print it? it's not from smoker right? he said he'd keep quiet about everything i thought. not that he has to keep his word to a pirate… buuuut he probably did.
ok, i have a possibly stupid question. how do the marines know about the strawhat/heart alliance? or, further, how does the newspaper know to print it? it's not from smoker right? he said he'd keep quiet about everything i thought. not that he has to keep his word to a pirate… buuuut he probably did.
This guy here says that they should inform the world about the alliance. The entire fight adn the dialogue between CC and Luffy was broadcast to the brokers, CC mentioned several times that Law allied himself with Luffy.
that's right. it looks like "lucci guy" and the "ball devil fruit marine guy" got the news out quickly, as well as any other nosey in the know people watching the broadcast.
@Fleet-Admiral:
Im sure Akainu will lose his position sooner or later. He's just too bad guy for that job. When Coby is leading, moral justice will spread more than ever in Marines and they turn out to be "good guys" again. This would be a good ending to OP.
They were a bunch of bad marines when Sengoku was here. It will just be the same with Coby if he ever made it to Fleet admiral. It's not like he can scout every marines. And I don't see why akainu is too bad for the job.