@Friend:
But hasn't Gon lost all of his power and will have to start from scratch anyway? Unless a nen exorcist or something can give him power back again. Something like Zoro absorbing all his crewmates' pain perhaps.
Alluka probably fixed that, though we don't have confirmation either way.
Even if you're not caught up or whatever I really recommend tuning in now. Dodgeball game is ace. I was quite pleased with how they handled Bobobo's head'splosion, though I'm sure there are idiots who are like, "It looked like a BALLOON popping! What is this, a circus!? This anime is so childish".
I've always liked that teamup. Not even just one wimp, a whole fleet of them. Preferred Razor saying "I was told by your dad to not go easy on you" in the manga, but really the execution on this episode was so graceful that that's just a minor difference.
Aw yeah.
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I re-read the Election arc and I was just wondering, what did Killua sacrifice in order for Gon to be healed by Alluka?
I re-read the Election arc and I was just wondering, what did Killua sacrifice in order for Gon to be healed by Alluka?
He didn't sacrifice anything. He could bypass it, recall? I don't know what that link has to do with anything.
I re-read the Election arc and I was just wondering, what did Killua sacrifice in order for Gon to be healed by Alluka?
Nothing afaik, there was no tolll needed when Killua asked Alluka to do something
I really hope Togashi expands on the AllukaxKillua hax ability or adds some sort of unforeseen repercussions because at the moment it just seems like Killua now has a genie with an unlimited amount of wishes. This part really annoys me, about as much as Pell surviving, so I really hope there is something else to it.
I really hope Togashi expands on the AllukaxKillua hax ability or adds some sort of unforeseen repercussions because at the moment it just seems like Killua now has a genie with an unlimited amount of wishes. This part really annoys me, about as much as Pell surviving, so I really hope there is something else to it.
Well, his family, including his basically totally evil brother, are all aware of this trick now, so…
They were already terrible to Aluka. Now that they know Killua is the key to making that power a legitimite genie with no risks or consequences? If they ever get ahold of him again they're not letting him or Aluka ever leave again.
I really hope Togashi expands on the AllukaxKillua hax ability or adds some sort of unforeseen repercussions because at the moment it just seems like Killua now has a genie with an unlimited amount of wishes. This part really annoys me, about as much as Pell surviving, so I really hope there is something else to it.
About as much as Pell not dying? Pell is small potatoes by comparison. Alluka is probably my biggest issue with Hunter x Hunter. From this point on, if anything happens to Killua or Gon or anyone either cares about, it can be undone. If Killua loses Alluka at any point, it makes him a fool among fools.
I suppose Killua having to avoid contact with his family is a pretty difficult task, though all challenge is negated when you have a magical genie at your disposal
About as much as Pell not dying? Pell is small potatoes by comparison.
Hehe Pell really pissed me off at the time and started this trend of Oda where he creates false tension with characters he will obviously never kill off, whereas with the Alluka thing I've probably let most of my anger fade away because it has been directed towards the hiatus. Maybe that was Togashi's plan all along :ninja:
Killua's awesome butler had to die because of Aluka, so there is that.
@RobbyBevard:
Killua's awesome butler had to die because of Aluka, so there is that.
Which could have been totally avoided if Killua had just used his first wish back at the manor to say "I wish that if any family member or affiliate of my family attempts to restrict my or Alluka's freedom they will be trapped in stasis in another dimension until I so please to release them." Either that or 1000 other equally viable wishes. Really, I though Killua was supposed to be smart.
Not 10 more fights in Heaven's Arena. Hisoka said that he would have a chance after 10 more fights with Himself in Heaven's Arena, which presumably includes any other battles or training he'd do in the interim. Anyway, I think Gon can give Hisoka a good fight at this point, but Hisoka would definitely win.
Ah, you're right. Well, if they would meet now and Hisoka would see him as a worthy opponent and fight him I also think Hisoka would come out on top, especially since he is about the wittiest (probably not the right word, tricky perhaps) character in HxH, which he would use to his advantage vs the more simple-minded Gon. If the circumstances are different (Hisoka did something to Killua, Alluka etc) it could be something else.
The limitation of Alluka's ability with Killua is Killua himself.
He doesn't want to use Alluka as a tool, so he will avoid asking her any wish unless is absolutly necessary. This way, even if it seems like an unlimited power, Killua puts the limits.
Probably if Killua became a bad person and started using her Alluka's ability wouldn't work that way anymore.
The limitation of Alluka's ability with Killua is Killua himself.
He doesn't want to use Alluka as a tool, so he will avoid asking her any wish unless is absolutly necessary. This way, even if it seems like an unlimited power, Killua puts the limits.Probably if Killua became a bad person and started using her Alluka's ability wouldn't work that way anymore.
Refusing to take the optimal course of action because of emotional considerations as opposed to logic errors doesn't make Killua's actions any less foolish. Alluka doesn't even mind granting wishes: the least he could do is ask for the wishes that are mutually beneficial to Alluka and himself. For example, eternal life so Alluka would never lose him(which he can always take back later if things go sour), or creating an invisible barrier that follows them and wards off Illumi.
I'm looking forward to April the 24th then.
As powerful as Aluka's power is, it ISN'T magical genie powerful. For one, Aluka couldn't use her powers against any of her own family. For another, to do anything to a specific person, she has to be right next to them. (Which is why they had to go to the risk of visiting Gon in the first place.) For another, it can't create material objects out of thin air. You can wish for a million dollars… and you'll get it... but it doesn't come from out of thin air. It comes from a cargo helicopter that was going by that happens to lose the money thats all accounted for. The wish can make stuff happen, but it can't completely bend reality or create something that doesn't exist.
Its a really broad and wide power, but it has limits.
You couldn't say ""I wish that if any family member or affiliate of my family attempts to restrict my or Alluka's freedom they will be trapped in stasis in another dimension until I so please to release them." because it can't affect the family, intentionally affecting a person that can't be seen is out of its limits, and "another dimension" is made up. Thats a triple on things the power can't do.
(Killua was lying when he bluffed that sort of thing against his mother.)
Plus, there's the whole thing with Aluka switching to a monster alternate personality black eyed thing, and you don't want to mess with that more than you have to, because you can't predict the long term effects of something like that.
@RobbyBevard:
Killua's awesome butler had to die because of Aluka, so there is that.
Which one? The coin guy? He's alive isn't he?
Besides even that Illumi is now making controlling Killua priority number one. And given how power/resourceful/intelligent he is and the fact that he knows Killua basically inside and out will make Killua's journey with Alluka very, very perilous.
Plus there's the fact that Alluka can't make any wishes herself without Killua's command. So say Killua is seperated via an ambush encounter that's basically it for Alluka. So there's definitely flaws with Alluka's ability so yeah there's still going to be tension on Killua's side of things even with Alluka's power.
Which one? The coin guy? He's alive isn't he?
! Hisoka killed him… The coin guy showed at the end of the last chapter (?) was one of this "transformation" rabbit/fox ppl, you remember? The ones that helped gon out to go to the hunter exams
@RobbyBevard:
As powerful as Aluka's power is, it ISN'T magical genie powerful. For one, Aluka couldn't use her powers against any of her own family. For another, to do anything to a specific person, she has to be right next to them. (Which is why they had to go to the risk of visiting Gon in the first place.) For another, it can't create material objects out of thin air. You can wish for a million dollars… and you'll get it... but it doesn't come from out of thin air. It comes from a cargo helicopter that was going by that happens to lose the money thats all accounted for. The wish can make stuff happen, but it can't completely bend reality or create something that doesn't exist.
I don't agree with a single thing you said here. First of all, where does it say she can't use her powers on her family? She teleported Illumi, remember? Secondly, she only has to be near a specific person if she is going to heal them. Anything else is fair game. Lastly, you say she can't create material objects or bend reality…on what grounds do you say that? Just because Alluka's ability brought the money to the estate instead of creating it, what's to say it can't also change reality? Teleportation bends space, the backlash from a failed wish seems to wipe a person out of existence. That wasn't stated to be one of the rules, so until given evidence to the contrary, I think Alluka's wishes can create objects and bend reality.
Plus, there's the whole thing with Aluka switching to a monster alternate personality black eyed thing, and you don't want to mess with that more than you have to, because you can't predict the long term effects of something like that.
Fair point, except that Killua should have stated that as a reason, because as of now there are no noticeable detriments. And at the very least, a wish to ward Illumi off sounds quite necessary.
First of all, where does it say she can't use her powers on her family?
If a servant asks for a request, they end up dead. But the family was never harmed, even by accident. The power skips around them, it can't/won't hurt them, despite being close associates.
Secondly, she only has to be near a specific person if she is going to heal them. Anything else is fair game.
She has to see them to do anything specific or useful. And she can't teleport herself obviously, or else they could have just skipped the whole arc. And surprise attacks will still get to her.
Lastly, you say she can't create material objects or bend reality…on what grounds do you say that? Just because Alluka's ability brought the money to the estate instead of creating it, what's to say it can't also change reality?
BECAUSE it brought it instead of creating it. They wished for several material objects (including a high end computer) but they were all things that existed… that were then brought to them. You're assuming it can create things, when there was zero evidence of that. You're assuming it can bend reality... when theres nothing indicating that at all.
Teleportation bends space, the backlash from a failed wish seems to wipe a person out of existence.
It explodes them. It doesn't just vanish them. Significant difference.
That wasn't stated to be one of the rules, so until given evidence to the contrary, I think Alluka's wishes can create objects and bend reality.
All the examples showed bringing stuff to her, not out of thin air, she didn't teleport herself, and obviously if it was as simple as "Bind illumi in one spot for a month" Killua would have simply done that to begin with to ensure her safety.
Her power is broad and wide and abusable, but it has limits and conditions, just like any other nen power.
Fair point, except that Killua should have stated that as a reason, because as of now there are no noticeable detriments.
Other than turning into a different personality black eyed monster that temporarily kills his sister who asks random requests that must be granted or people die that sticks around for varying unpredictable amounts of time?
And at the very least, a wish to ward Illumi off sounds quite necessary.
And if he could DO that, he would have. That's a one time abuse that would have been rather prudent under the circumstances, but he didn't.
It's NOT a magic genie wish, any more than Greed Island was actually magical.
It can move objects around, (Similar to the switching guy in the volleyball game) and it can blow people up, or heal them. Three specific abilities, that each have limits and major conditions and restrictions on them with HUGE costs. (That Killua can sidestep them when asking for a nice wish is a caveat… what if there are other caveats he DOESN'T know about?)
Nothing about creation or reality warping.
@RobbyBevard:
If a servant asks for a request, they end up dead. But the family was never harmed, even by accident. The power skips around them, it can't/won't hurt them, despite being close associates.
There were only ever 2 "large" wishes granted by Alluka before Killua returned. One of the backlashes was paid for by a tourist, who had next to no relation to the Zolydocks, so naturally they weren't affected. The other was one of the Zolydock's butlers, but it was explicitly stated that the people killed were the butlers and teaches who trained with the wishing butler. So that person simply had that many more people they had spent more time with than the Zolydocks. Your statement has no strong evidence, and was even contradicted in canon, since Illumi feared he and the rest of the Zolydocks would die from the backlash of healing Gon.
She has to see them to do anything specific or useful. And she can't teleport herself obviously, or else they could have just skipped the whole arc. And surprise attacks will still get to her.
How do you know Killua wasn't just being stupid? The alternative is that Alluka has a ton of arbitrary restrictions that Killua knows about but for some reason Togashi thought weren't worth mentioning, despite being crucial to the plot.
BECAUSE it brought it instead of creating it. They wished for several material objects (including a high end computer) but they were all things that existed… that were then brought to them. You're assuming it can create things, when there was zero evidence of that. You're assuming it can bend reality... when theres nothing indicating that at all.
There's also nothing contradicting it, as well as the circumstantial evidence of Killua, the one who knows Alluka best, calling her power "infinite." Your assertion is just as unconfirmed as mine, but since a major restriction like that would surely have been mentioned, I think you're wrong.
It explodes them. It doesn't just vanish them. Significant difference.
Upon looking the page over again, you're write. Doesn't change things though.
All the examples showed bringing stuff to her, not out of thin air, she didn't teleport herself, and obviously if it was as simple as "Bind illumi in one spot for a month" Killua would have simply done that to begin with to ensure her safety.
Or perhaps Togashi wanted to have an exciting chase, but doing the logical thing would have allowed Killua to bypass that, so he had that possibility elude Killua.
Other than turning into a different personality black eyed monster that temporarily kills his sister who asks random requests that must be granted or people die that sticks around for varying unpredictable amounts of time?
Killua is friendly with and has some influence over, and he can put her in an isolated place to ensure the requests don't get out of hand. And I'd equate Alluka's state while Nanika is present to "sleeping" more than "dying." The very fact that it's temporary means she's not dead.
And if he could DO that, he would have. That's a one time abuse that would have been rather prudent under the circumstances, but he didn't.
It's NOT a magic genie wish, any more than Greed Island was actually magical.
If there were a condition stopping Killua, why was it not even alluded to?
When the argument is "well the character was just being stupid" then there's a problem.
Your statement has no strong evidence, and was even contradicted in canon, since Illumi feared he and the rest of the Zolydocks would die from the backlash of healing Gon.
Illumi didn't know the rules that Killua did, but had seen what the potential consequences were. That was the entire point.
We never see Aluka do anything beyond telport, heal, and blow up. "Near infinite" potential in doing any of those things, but nothing to indicate "anything you can imagine." The fact that it pulls from what exists rather than creating from scratch, and that there has to be close proximity for some of those powers, indicates limits.
@RobbyBevard:
When the argument is "well the character was just being stupid" then there's a problem.
When the argument is "Killua couldn't do this, or this, or that because there were several restrictions in play that are never alluded to" and there's even minor evidence against those restrictions, then there's an even bigger problem.
Illumi didn't know the rules that Killua did, but had seen what the potential consequences were. That was the entire point.
It's clear that the healing wishes have no backlash. That does not mean that the wishes that do have backlash don't affect the Zolydocks. Or for that matter, that the Zolydocks are in any way immune to the wishes themselves.
We never see Aluka do anything beyond teleport, heal, and blow up. "Near infinite" potential in doing any of those things, but nothing to indicate "anything you can imagine." The fact that it pulls from what exists rather than creating from scratch, and that there has to be close proximity for some of those powers, indicates limits.
I don't think we've seen enough to properly reach that conclusion.
! Hisoka killed him… The coin guy showed at the end of the last chapter (?) was one of this "transformation" rabbit/fox ppl, you remember? The ones that helped gon out to go to the hunter exams
I remember the scene. I thought Togashi was implying the butler had been one of those things all along
I remember the scene. I thought Togashi was implying the butler had been one of those things all along
Extremely unlikely. We saw Gotoh get decapitated, they were standing at his grave so they presumably found his body, and there's no reason for him to be one of those creatures in the first place.
When the argument is "Killua couldn't do this, or this, or that because there were several restrictions in play that are never alluded to" and there's even minor evidence against those restrictions, then there's an even bigger problem.
But that's exactly how nen is supposed to work, seemingly random rules and restrictions, there's no infinite power, no "cut all blade" but with enough restrictions you can make a blade that will always cut diamonds.
But that's exactly how nen is supposed to work, seemingly random rules and restrictions, there's no infinite power, no "cut all blade" but with enough restrictions you can make a blade that will always cut diamonds.
I get that, and I have no issue with that particular rule. The issue is that my friend here is saying that Killua only acted as he did because there were certain restrictions on Alluka's nen that were never alluded to in canon, suggesting that they were, in fact, nonexistent.
And by the way, right after Killua calls her ability infinite, he says she can make anything come true. I doubt there are any restrictions we don't know about.
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I get that, and I have no issue with that particular rule. The issue is that my friend here is saying that Killua only acted as he did because there were certain restrictions on Alluka's nen that were never alluded to in canon, suggesting that they were, in fact, nonexistent.
If there weren't any restrictions, then it would be against the cannon, so there must be restrictions. Even if we don't know about them.
About halfway through the series and I noticed Togashi's drawn a few Narutos in the page-filler pages. Is he friends with Kishi?
If there weren't any restrictions, then it would be against the cannon, so there must be restrictions. Even if we don't know about them.
We are already aware of several restrictions, so there need not be any more. Besides, Alluka is an anomaly to begin with. And we weren't told about any other restrictions, although they would have gone a long way to explaining Killua's action.
What are you talking about? Are you sure you aren't talking about the scanlation sites putting random pages up?
Quite sure.
They're done in more than one style.
He even drew one with his signature, that rascal!
I think there were a few more, but I can't be bothered to find them.
Quite sure.
They're done in more than one style.He even drew one with his signature, that rascal!
I think there were a few more, but I can't be bothered to find them.
Not a 100% sure but some of them might be just congratulations pictures for an anniversary or some other event.
It happens a lot between mangaka. For OP's 10th anniversary there were a ton of other artists drawing one piece characters in their own styles.
Never saw those in the scans I read for GI, oh well those are pretty cool.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Togashi and Kishimoto are friends
Not a 100% sure but some of them might be just congratulations pictures for an anniversary or some other event.
It happens a lot between mangaka. For OP's 10th anniversary there were a ton of other artists drawing one piece characters in their own styles.
I considered that, but it's happened quite a few times. He's also made a Naruto reference or two in-series.
Extremely unlikely. We saw Gotoh get decapitated, they were standing at his grave so they presumably found his body, and there's no reason for him to be one of those creatures in the first place.
I understood it as in Gotoh died, but in order for Killua to not feel guilted for his death or anyone notice his absence they asked one of the Rat-Fox's to take his spot :/
I understood it as in Gotoh died, but in order for Killua to not feel guilted for his death or anyone notice his absence they asked one of the Rat-Fox's to take his spot :/
I think the same thing…which is rather stupid, since presumably Alluka could just revive him in a snap. Since it probably counts as healing there wouldn't even be backlash.
Not a 100% sure but some of them might be just congratulations pictures for an anniversary or some other event.
It happens a lot between mangaka. For OP's 10th anniversary there were a ton of other artists drawing one piece characters in their own styles.
Really? If it isn't too much trouble mind posting the links to those?
I thought it was so Killua wouldn't pursue Hisoka for revenge.
No need for revenge if Gotoh is no longer dead.
I think the same thing…which is rather stupid, since presumably Alluka could just revive him in a snap. Since it probably counts as healing there wouldn't even be backlash.
When did Alluka demonstrate this ability to resurrect the dead? Since when was healing in the same plane as "bringing to life" dead people? :blink:
I get that, and I have no issue with that particular rule. The issue is that my friend here is saying that Killua only acted as he did because there were certain restrictions on Alluka's nen that were never alluded to in canon, suggesting that they were, in fact, nonexistent.
And by the way, right after Killua calls her ability infinite, he says she can make anything come true. I doubt there are any restrictions we don't know about.
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I don't want to disturb the debate, but wouldn't this page support what robby said, because Killua specifically said "probably" two times on the page, insinuating a uncertainty about Allukas ability, leading to the events of the election arc, finding out what exactly the limitations and rules are? Everybody is scared by this ability because of it's dangerous backlash, so maybe that's why it never seemed that Alluka has been logically used to her max, because the next wish might just have worse consequences than people dying.
I think Allukas limits are the limits of nen. While something like forcing a zeppelin to crash is possible, things like bringing the dead back to live or blow up the whole planet is impossible, because it violates the most basic principles of life. Now, if there was a nen ability introduced that legitimately could bring back the dead, I bet she can do that too, since it's been established as logical and possible, thus still adhering to the ways nen works in HxH.
Would make sense because it's still in line with the money dropping out of a zeppelin example. Obviously, nen can influence people in such a way that a blimp can be misdirected, and it can control objects like a little shutter to open it and let the money fall out, but obviously I doesn't create nen money because that would be pointless for everyone. In the blimp example, Allukas ability didn't really do much more than use basic nen abilites related to the manipulation section of nen, so I assume everything else she can do is based on the five nen categories.
No need for revenge if Gotoh is no longer dead.
That's not true, the attempt on his life is far more than enough.
Hisoka is doing all of this so he can get Killua and/or Illumi to come at him. With that obvious realization, it could bring Killua to try and take him out before he hurts Alluka or any of his butler friends.
Hey guys,
it's me again.
I thought about how Gon could improve/perfect his Hatsu, here are some ideas I came up with:
(It was mentioned that one big strengh of Netero was his strong Ryu, so you couldn't read his next attack through his nen flow, which would be extremly strong with Gon's JaJanken)
another option (if the first one would be too strong) could be to train winding up Jajanken on the move, so he could run or dodging attacks while charging it
"dual-wielding" so to spreak, so he uses Scissors with each hand, or repeatedly shots Paper with each Hand
Do you think this are reasionable improvements that you could see happen in the manga?
What are your thoughts about some improvements of Hatsu (Killua, Hisoka, Leorio, etc), or do you think they will stay as they are now?
Hey guys,
it's me again.
I thought about how Gon could improve/perfect his Hatsu, here are some ideas I came up with:
- by training his Ryu, he could drastically decrease his wind-up time for his JaJanken which would increase its efficency in fights
(It was mentioned that one big strengh of Netero was his strong Ryu, so you couldn't read his next attack through his nen flow, which would be extremly strong with Gon's JaJanken)
another option (if the first one would be too strong) could be to train winding up Jajanken on the move, so he could run or dodging attacks while charging it
"dual-wielding" so to spreak, so he uses Scissors with each hand, or repeatedly shots Paper with each Hand
Do you think this are reasionable improvements that you could see happen in the manga?
What are your thoughts about some improvements of Hatsu (Killua, Hisoka, Leorio, etc), or do you think they will stay as they are now?
Of course improving Ryu would improve Jajanken. Using it while moving is also a possibility, but using both hands sort of deviates from the Janken theme, and also seems redundant. He still needs to work on "Paper" a ton, forget using two at once. Using two "Scissors" would be quite tiring, not much more effective, split his energy (and therefore the techniques' potency). Using "Rock" twice at once would also be extremely tiring, not to mention that one "Rock" is already enough to devastate any but the strongest opponents.
As for your second question, most of the characters we've seen are already fairly well developed with their nen, or else stagnant or unlikely to return. Of the ones that aren't fully developed, it's hard to say how they would change. Hunter x Hunter is different from series like One Piece or Naruto in that, once you've developed a Hatsu or two, you can only develop your regular Nen abilites from then on (for the most part).
However, the one character that immediately comes to mind is Kalluto. Her paper ability has tons of potential, I think, since she can make all sorts of constructs with it. Skewers, missiles, barriers, restraints, etc.
Just finished reading and OH MY GOD THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST MANGA I'VE EVER READ.
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He didn't sacrifice anything. He could bypass it, recall? I don't know what that link has to do with anything.
I think he means this page (I can't get to mangareader, so I don't know if it's the same one).
Morel told Leorio not to tell Gon that Killua healed him and him promise.
Yet later, Killua told Gon that Alluka healed him like it was nothing.
You could say that's because "OMG 4TH LEVEL SEEKRIT!!!111one" and they were in a crowded area, but something seems reeeeeally fishy about it. And we haven't seen Alluka use her healing ability since then.
What if Killua told her to give it to him?
Or maybe the curse was so strong he had to take some of the effects into himself.
Any way you look at it, it's obvious he damaged himself for Gon's sake. Gon wouldn't want that, so it's a seeeecret.
