So according to your theory, their was a time when the RedLine didn't exist? Because I don't see how the rumor of All Blue will start spreading if no one has ever been to it or seen it, just like no one knew anything about One Piece until Roger found it and revealed it to the world. Sometime in one piece world someone has been or seen ALL BLUE, which started the rumor and from your theory, all the one piece sea/ocean was connected as one before.
[Theory] The Inherited Will, "One Piece"
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Big MoM ate - 2012
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So according to your theory, their was a time when the RedLine didn't exist? Because I don't see how the rumor of All Blue will start spreading if no one has ever been to it or seen it, just like no one knew anything about One Piece until Roger found it and revealed it to the world. Sometime in one piece world someone has been or seen ALL BLUE, which started the rumor and from your theory, all the one piece sea/ocean was connected as one before.
here's what I'm thinking… when the AK created the project in the void century, they immediately spread the plan across the world, along with its anticipated effects towards the planet. You know, some kind of propaganda. So the creation of All blue was hot stuff and talked about by everyone at the time... but then the war happened, the AK lost and the history was erased.
I'm assuming that the talk about All Blue was a part of history that got erased. But apparently it's not completely erased, the description about all blue itself survived somehow and later became a legend as the time passed on.
I've been wondering though how the fvck did the WG manage to erase a 100 years of history. It makes more sense if it's limited to a country, but they literally wiped out the world history. Unless they did something horrible like slaying 90% of world population, either that or they had some kind of memory eraser device (like the one in Man in Black movie), it sounds impossible
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It's just that we've never seen people complain about the way things are, or desire something better. And you know what destroying that huge mass of land would do? Raise the sea level. Islands could even become submerged.
Dude, everyone including your mom raises the sea level when they go in the water. The oceans are huge, I really doubt that destroying two pieces of the red line and adding that debris to the oceans would significantly change sea level.
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Dude, everyone including your mom raises the sea level when they go in the water. The oceans are huge, I really doubt that destroying two pieces of the red line and adding that debris to the oceans would significantly change sea level.
Wtf? Lmao that cracked me up hahaha
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here's what I'm thinking… when the AK created the project in the void century, they immediately spread the plan across the world, along with its anticipated effects towards the planet. You know, some kind of propaganda. So the creation of All blue was hot stuff and talked about by everyone at the time... but then the war happened, the AK lost and the history was erased.
I'm assuming that the talk about All Blue was a part of history that got erased. But apparently it's not completely erased, the description about all blue itself survived somehow and later became a legend as the time passed on.
I've been wondering though how the fvck did the WG manage to erase a 100 years of history. It makes more sense if it's limited to a country, but they literally wiped out the world history. Unless they did something horrible like slaying 90% of world population, either that or they had some kind of memory eraser device (like the one in Man in Black movie), it sounds impossible
Seems like you got answer to everything…:sad:
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Seems like you got answer to everything…:sad:
lolz it's a theory, I bet kirk will point out a flaw soon.
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Dude, everyone including your mom raises the sea level when they go in the water. The oceans are huge, I really doubt that destroying two pieces of the red line and adding that debris to the oceans would significantly change sea level.
actually, the sea level would go down if the red line really did turn into debris… now if the red line was an huge iceberg, it would be a different story.
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ashura, please tell me you're in surabaya. we could meet up and you could explain to me in The Inherited Will - One Piece 101 class with professor Ashura_KingFisher
because i have several questions that i don't know how to explain in english lol :D
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This is a pretty damn good theory… I am impressed no sarcasm. After all, the series is pretty much about liberty. I am guessing that a war broke down because of the weapons (fear of its power that could fall into the wrong hands and takeover the plot or lack of deterrence).
I am curious what's your take on the whole Kuina and Tashigi theories.
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Firstly, that is some well explained and detailed theory that I have ever read. I always thought that one piece was some kind of a treasure( a physical thing).Never did I once thought about it being a "project", uniting all the 4 seas.
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so project One Piece would affect more than 0,5% of population, as was your claim. I just don't think you've come up with good argument against this theory.
You did not understand my point. When I said it would concern only 0,5% of the population, yes I was talking about the sailors because the whole point of the theory is that these people aren't free enough and want to sail in a whole and unique sea.
The 0,5% of people I was talking about are people ready to go against the WG to have this to happen. They can't sail to the whole seas easily so they would be ready to blow Reverse Mountain and Mariejoa.
Since Oda did not emphasize the fact that trade isn't an issue in this story there is no reason for the whole population to go against the WG and wanting this stuff to happen, right? Otherwise that would just be random and that would come from nowhere.Are the people complaining that they can't sail easily from one sea to another? No. In 700 chapters of One Piece, it has not been emphasized.
Would the world care that a group of people once wanted to reunite the seas by shooting down Reverse Mountain 800 years ago? Probably not.
Would they go to a war against the WG to have this to happen? Hell no, that does not make sense.There is obviously something wrong in this theory with the role of the WG. They did something terrible and did not hesitate to erase a whole century of history and what they did would motive the whole world to go against them and spread chaos everywhere that's why they are ready to destroy a whole island to keep the truth.
Not allowing a bunch of people to destroy Reverse Mountain for the sake of sailing, is it terrible? That's more a good action than a terrible action if you ask me.
Author does not need to emphasis it, hints that trade is part of that world are given, and that's enough.
Just an example: Oda emphasized a lot the fact that something was wrong between fishmen and humans. It started back to Arlong Park. And it's still on going. We are talking about "One Piece" meaning here. The first and last plot to be revealed, yet Oda would come with a purpose that he did not emphasize through his story? Does not make sense to me.
Now if the WG actually made Grand Line in order to separate the world and control it, then yes, you have a reason to blow up Reverse mountain and Mariejoa. As for erasing Grand Line, that's another thing.
lolz it's a theory, I bet kirk will point out a flaw soon.
Sorry to not worship you. I have a brain and I actually use it sometimes.
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i just think there is a bigger meaning than this..
i mean i hoped for it. Rather than just to become free and to become unite, i mean..
something like,…. the world is not like the people think. Even the whole damn globe of one piece world is manipulated by WG and that has got to do with one piece. maybe one piece is not to bring a world to one, but to bring TWO world that separated by WG manipulation into one... as crazy as that might sound -
Sorry to not worship you. I have a brain and I actually use it sometimes.
no sarcasm was intended… you've been pointing out strong points and they made the thread more interesting.
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! > You did not understand my point. When I said it would concern only 0,5% of the population, yes I was talking about the sailors because the whole point of the theory is that these people aren't free enough and want to sail in a whole and unique sea.The 0,5% of people I was talking about are people ready to go against the WG to have this to happen. They can't sail to the whole seas easily so they would be ready to blow Reverse Mountain and Mariejoa.
Since Oda did not emphasize the fact that trade isn't an issue in this story there is no reason for the whole population to go against the WG and wanting this stuff to happen, right? Otherwise that would just be random and that would come from nowhere.Are the people complaining that they can't sail easily from one sea to another? No. In 700 chapters of One Piece, it has not been emphasized.
Would the world care that a group of people once wanted to reunite the seas by shooting down Reverse Mountain 800 years ago? Probably not.
Would they go to a war against the WG to have this to happen? Hell no, that does not make sense.There is obviously something wrong in this theory with the role of the WG. They did something terrible and did not hesitate to erase a whole century of history and what they did would motive the whole world to go against them and spread chaos everywhere that's why they are ready to destroy a whole island to keep the truth.
Not allowing a bunch of people to destroy Reverse Mountain for the sake of sailing, is it terrible? That's more a good action than a terrible action if you ask me.
Just an example: Oda emphasized a lot the fact that something was wrong between fishmen and humans. It started back to Arlong Park. And it's still on going. We are talking about "One Piece" meaning here. The first and last plot to be revealed, yet Oda would come with a purpose that he did not emphasize through his story? Does not make sense to me.
Now if the WG actually made Grand Line in order to separate the world and control it, then yes, you have a reason to blow up Reverse mountain and Mariejoa. As for erasing Grand Line, that's another thing.
Sorry to not worship you. I have a brain and I actually use it sometimes.
Sorry to misunderstood you. The way you formulated your claim, made it seem like you disagree with the theory because the Project One Piece would have an impact only on 0,5% of population, rather than 0,5% ready to fight bloody war for it.
Although I do believe many people would have an interest in creating unified ocean (It's hinted that existence if grand line and Calm Belts is an inconvenience for trade and communication - like Americas were in trade between Ester Asia and Europe before Panama Canal). There would be many people eager to see the obstacle removed. People like merchants, politicians wanting to improve their countries economy, researchers (like the ones looking for new medicines) fishermen (area of former Calm Belt could be possibly new spot for fishing), and since World of One Piece mostly consist of Oceans and Island, that would have to be considerable percentage of population. But you are right, since most of those people wouldn't probably be interested to go to the war.
There would also be people who would fear this project, such as people who would be afraid that changing the flow of sea currents would screw the climate on the whole planet (how any people in One Piece world has environmental awareness like that?) or people who would fear god's (or gods') punishment for intervening in the natural structures that much (since there are many different cultures in OP world some just has to have attitude like that) and of course Mariejois (they control the majority of trade between the seas, so they wouldn't be happy about loosing the source of profit, taking aside necessity to find new place for living).
All in all it's likely that, if the people of the world were to learn about the project it would caused few riots here and there, maybe the WG would loose some popularity (but not power) for some time, but all out global war is unlikely (oh, wait haven't I already said that somewhere in this tread?)
In addition, I think that removing obstacles from getting from one point to the other would crate way more freedom for societies and individuals - for one thing World Government would have way less control over everything.
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My god. This theory is AMAZING.
It covers sooooo much!
I know this has been said many times already but it cannot be stated enough. Very well done!The only thing I'd like to say is that I do not believe you necessarily "need" to be able to hear the voice of / read the poneglyphs to know how to get to Raftel.
I saw somebody point out how Luffy has to hear the Voice to be able to sail to Raftel, however remember this?!
What I'm saying is, Roger offered Whitebeard to tell him how to get to Raftel.
This means that it's probably like, as long as you know what to do, you do not have to possess the voice to actually GET there.
But you DO need the voice to be able to know how to do it. (since Roger is dead and the crew ain't gonna ask Rayleigh for directions)The only flaw I see in this is I cannot imagine the Sea Kings living together with the people LOL. But I'm sure that that will be wrapped up as well.
Oh yea, and something else is that the Grand Line and New World are so awesome that it would almost be a shame to combine them with all the other seas. Would remove a great deal of possible adventure ;-;Aside from that, again, amazingly done, and once I think of something else to add or ask I definitely will!
EDIT: So wait, Ashura, just to get this straight…. you think that the will of D is the ability to hear the voice of all things and the poneglyphs and such??
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ok.. if you are the same guy posting this theory on every forum just stop..
i'll say it one more time.. some parts makes sense while some things do not, they have a few wholes and some are just stupid.. -
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ok.. if you are the same guy posting this theory on every forum just stop..
i'll say it one more time.. some parts makes sense while some things do not, they have a few wholes and some are just stupid..what are you talking about??
did he post it on multiple forums?if so why should you mind? its an incredible theory and no matter if some parts dont make sense to you / some people doesnt mean he shouldnt publish it on a few forums if he wants his theory to get some attention. it deserves it, too. its very well thought through and can give people something to think about.
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no sarcasm was intended… you've been pointing out strong points and they made the thread more interesting.
Oh sorry then, I thought it was sarcasm.
Also I would like to add something. You admitted that the part concerning the disappearance of Grand Line is the biggest flaw of your theory, which I agree.
But the thing is: your whole theory is actually based on this flaw. There is indeed no logical reason to think that Grand Line and Calm Belt would disappear if these two spots would be destroyed.Which mean:
If you are wrong about this guess, you are also wrong on the fact that these people wanted to fuze the seas. You would be wrong on the whole One Piece project and also wrong on the fact that the ancient weapons were made in order to make this project.
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EDIT: So wait, Ashura, just to get this straight…. you think that the will of D is the ability to hear the voice of all things and the poneglyphs and such??
I don't think they're connected. I mean if they're really connected, the other Ds should have possessed the ability as well. there have been thoughts about Luffy being 'the chosen one' for having this ability but that would be cliche as hell.
@melody:
ok.. if you are the same guy posting this theory on every forum just stop..
i'll say it one more time.. some parts makes sense while some things do not, they have a few wholes and some are just stupid..sorry if you're offended… but I just wanted to share my thought, not spreading some doctrine. if you feel disagreeing, then post it here why so we could make a discussion out of it.
Oh sorry then, I thought it was sarcasm.
Also I would like to add something. You admitted that the part concerning the disappearance of Grand Line is the biggest flaw of your theory, which I agree.
But the thing is: your whole theory is actually based on this flaw. There is indeed no logical reason to think that Grand Line and Calm Belt would disappear if these two spots would be destroyed.Which mean:
If you are wrong about this guess, you are also wrong on the fact that these people wanted to fuze the seas. You would be wrong on the whole One Piece project and also wrong on the fact that the ancient weapons were made in order to make this project.
you're spot on about that. To be honest, when I first thought about destroying red line and neutralizing GL's anomalies, I merely thought about how they would connect so many loose ends like the All Blue, the prediction about FI, and the way strawhats would achieve their dreams, I personally think it would be a perfect end. however I haven't really thought of the reasons to do so nor how they would logically work… so yeah, if they were wrong, the rest of the theory would probably die as well. I didn't really have argument against that except just wait for Oda to reveal his stuff eventually.
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Oh sorry then, I thought it was sarcasm.
Also I would like to add something. You admitted that the part concerning the disappearance of Grand Line is the biggest flaw of your theory, which I agree.
But the thing is: your whole theory is actually based on this flaw. There is indeed no logical reason to think that Grand Line and Calm Belt would disappear if these two spots would be destroyed.Which mean:
If you are wrong about this guess, you are also wrong on the fact that these people wanted to fuze the seas. You would be wrong on the whole One Piece project and also wrong on the fact that the ancient weapons were made in order to make this project.
Let me add something here, Firstly just like to say awesome theory really buying it.
His Theory actually makes alot of sense,
He mentions the purpose of 'One Piece' which was a project initiated initially by the Ancient Kingdom was to connect the four seas together.
But why would they need to do this?
As we know in the One piece world Specifically on the Grandline and Redline, there exists Huge dangers, specifically naturally, from Extreme weather conditions to Sea monsters. This greatly affects globalization in the one piece world from travel/communication/trade.
The ancient kingdoms 'One Piece' project in destroying Reverse Mountain would undoubtedly shift the magnetic field directions change current flows and weather conditions and remove the grandline and redline altogether uniting the seas and creating a Calmbelt (one calm sea)
This will Solve the natural dangers issue, and poisedon the ancient weapon will put an end to any sea creature disasters.Hence the whole purpose of this is to Unite everyone in the One piece world to allow for safer travels, Safer world and globalization.
Again brilliant theory, makes sense why WG position Merijiou where they did to prevent project 'One piece' from happening!!
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Adding to this theory reckon the reason Fishman Island will be destroyed is because it was unintentionally built over a part of the ancient weapons. Jewel Tree Eve produces the one spot in the oceans where light is brought down to the ocean floor. The Fisgmen have accidently built their city on a focusing lens. Vegapunk, and Franky, have been working with laser/ particle beams and JTE is actually a giant one. If it's fired, maybe to destroy reverse mountain, maybe to blow up the moon, then FI is literally toast.
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Not too sure about 'fusion' of the four seas etc etc, although that does sound plausible, but I liked the theory behind Luffy destorying FI. I mean, FI is now his territory so he wouldn't destory it unless it was for an actual greator good for the people of FI. Goes well for Joy Boy / Noah's Ark.
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The ancient kingdoms 'One Piece' project in destroying Reverse Mountain would undoubtedly shift the magnetic field directions change current flows and weather conditions and remove the grandline and redline altogether uniting the seas and creating a Calmbelt (one calm sea)
Undoubtedly? I could say that if you blow up these two spots, Marry poppins would come from the sky and give you a cookie it would have the same weight as an argument.
Hence the whole purpose of this is to Unite everyone in the One piece world to allow for safer travels, Safer world and globalization.
Which, as I said many times now, hasn't been emphasized at all through the story. Ironically, it would allow more pirates to sail on the seas as well.
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By the way, something interesting.
Ashura I'm not sure if you pointed this out and can't be arsed to look through the huge first post again, but i recall you said the Sea Kings would escort the Fishmen away from Fishman Island up to the surface, right? I don't think you really mentioned Noah in all this.
Noah still has a purpose, and we do not know what. If this theory is correct, then no doubt about it: the Sea Kings will carry Noah with all the inhabitants of Fishman Island in order to bring them up to the surface.But now my actual addition to all this: when re-watching FI arc the Sea Kings said "The ship is really damaged…. Maybe we should let them repair it.
Who are them?
I think I may have an idea….
It doesn't seem very logical to me to be honest. But then again I couldn't think of anything else big enough to repair a ship like that.
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Wow wow this is mind-blowing. I feel kinda bad for reading this as its like reading the ending for One Piece lol
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You know, people of AK had enough technology to create weapons of mass destruction and seeing how the big issue of the century, according to your theory, was the unificaion of the seas (or may I say, having issues in crossing the sea around the world) wouldn't be much easier to just try to create another way of locomotion? Like, a plane or something that doesn't have to do with the sea?
Speaking of which, why aren't there any means of air transportation in One Piece? Even Eneru pulled that ballon/air ship thing that I forgot the name - And Vegapunk could do something much better than that IMO (I don't know if this is kind of off-topic, but I always had this question with me but never got an reasonable answear)
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here's my little preview of my own theory about some things connected to this theory:
! to be honest, the points of guys about all blue (that someone shouldve already been there) and raftel (that should exist even before red line explodes) are valid points,
! if we look at the one piece world and if we compare it to a treasure map, there's a significant similarity in this 2 maps, the X mark for a treasure….now, my theory is the middle of reverse mountain hiding all blue and raftel, the devil fruit tree and final ponegylph, underwater/underground. the strawhats will need the services of a coater once again...who knows? maybe its rayleigh, travelling with the strawhats temporarily until the reverse mountain (with rayleigh meeting crocus and scopper gaban again) .
! "the final island of new world, raftel" - which means it will be right before they go back to the redline.
"when we see red line again, ill be pirate king" - which means (to me at least) that when luffy and crew comes out in the middle of reverse mountain, luffy already figured out one piece was and became the pirate king.
! and since theyre coming down of reverse mountain, brook will meet laboon again.
! i know this next one sounds weird, but i do think the crew needs to sail again the duration of grand line until they reach redline once again (i know it sounds redundant--but of course these would pretty be a fast forward thing) to go back to fishman island (they promised shirahoshi) and yes, conquer marijoies. (where the great war happens)
! i still havent organized my ideas but thats just a brief/abstract summary of these things.
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I don't think you really mentioned Noah in all this.
Noah still has a purpose, and we do not know what. If this theory is correct, then no doubt about it: the Sea Kings will carry Noah with all the inhabitants of Fishman Island in order to bring them up to the surface.I mentioned it, actually. I always thought Noah's purpose was quite obvious with Oda putting hints all over the place, the real mystery is when will that happen.
But now my actual addition to all this: when re-watching FI arc the Sea Kings said "The ship is really damaged…. Maybe we should let them repair it.
Who are them?
I think I may have an idea….http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081214135407/onepiece/images/2/2a/Florian_Leviathan.PNG
It doesn't seem very logical to me to be honest. But then again I couldn't think of anything else big enough to repair a ship like that.
And this is the one big thing this whole theory doesn't cover. What are these things? Are they in any way connected to the Ancient Weapons or, as I suspect, Noah?I have different thought on that, the sea king was possibly talking about the ancestors of W7 shipwrights. I mean they're the people who were capable of constructing such thing as Pluton. They must have been pretty trustworthy to the AK to do big stuffs, and they could include building and repairing Noah. (assuming Noah was really a project of the AK).
You know, people of AK had enough technology to create weapons of mass destruction and seeing how the big issue of the century, according to your theory, was the unificaion of the seas (or may I say, having issues in crossing the sea around the world) wouldn't be much easier to just try to create another way of locomotion? Like, a plane or something that doesn't have to do with the sea?
I used to think so but like you said there hasn't been any sign about the existence of air vessels, aside from that balloon thing that the moon races used once, and I doubt they used them for daily purpose… could be wrong though.
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Very good theory….it is believable as one piece is not story of complex puzzles and such mysteries that can not be predicted.There are few points that you didnt explain.1- What motivated monkey D Dragon to start a revolution against WG? Obviously his goal can not be simply creation of All Blue. In goa kingdom we saw dragon disgusted at the kings and nobles affiliated with WG. There is some other dark secret to WG that dragon knows about. Perhaps there is some kind of ongoing evil project by WG which can bring about large scale destructions and deaths if they complete/use it. Tequila wolf, that large bridge, which is underconstruction for last 700 years, hints that WG is upto some thing. Their work is lousy and failing as they didnt have enough technology, but i think due to vagapunk they would soon complete it.2- Why luffy would be motivated to destroy redline, create all blue, promote free sailing and trade....he is always care free unless his friends are hurt and are in danger. In my opinion it would be initiation of that evil project that would force luffy to make decision of destroying WG once and for all. In strong world movie he decided to go back to rescue his east blue, though not entirely cannon but it was written by oda and we come to know about luffy that despite of all his care free attitude he would go to east blue to protect it. In the same way after so much traveling , making so many friends across various countries, he would decide to protect world from that unknown threat of WG.
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I think this is a pretty solid theory. The theories about the Tenryubito coming from the moon fit into this theory pretty well and do create a pretty solid overall prediction for the end of the series.
Not to sure about Joy Boy being the king of the Ancient Kingdom, I prefer the theories about him being an ancestor of the will of the D. I think the major battle at the end, where ever it happens, will have a lot of former characters who are allies with Luffy.
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I have a small theory about ancient kingdom.The 20 kings, who later formed WG , were followers of certain ideology and decided to overthrow ancient kingdom to carry out their ultimate plan/mission related to their ideology. They needed to rule entire world as approach, resources , menpower etc were needed for that unknown project that i mentioned in my earlier post. They defeated ancient kingdom in a decisive battle, they had same technology as they were once part of ancient kingdom and were living in the same era. After that each country affiliated with ancient kingdom was defeated. I dont think war between 20 Kingdoms and Ancient kingdom was 100 years long i.e void century. In my opinion AK got destroyed in first few years of century , after that there is WG ruling all over the world. There is resistance from AK survivers against newly formed WG throughout void century but it is getting weaker day by day. As soon as WG establish itself strongely, they decide begin to work on their project for which they formed the WG to begin with. AK resistance fighters come to know about evil plan of WG, but they cant stop it , they are at the verge of extinction and their movement is dying out after 100 years long resistance. But they have not lost faith entirely, they know that in future WG would write their own version of history, might erase it entirely so they write down ponygalphs with important clues and truths , that would re-ignite their failed movement against WG and its evil project in future by some one.
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here's what I'm thinking… when the AK created the project in the void century, they immediately spread the plan across the world, along with its anticipated effects towards the planet. You know, some kind of propaganda. So the creation of All blue was hot stuff and talked about by everyone at the time... but then the war happened, the AK lost and the history was erased.
I'm assuming that the talk about All Blue was a part of history that got erased. But apparently it's not completely erased, the description about all blue itself survived somehow and later became a legend as the time passed on.
I've been wondering though how the fvck did the WG manage to erase a 100 years of history. It makes more sense if it's limited to a country, but they literally wiped out the world history. Unless they did something horrible like slaying 90% of world population, either that or they had some kind of memory eraser device (like the one in Man in Black movie), it sounds impossible
If ALL BLUE refers to destroing the red line, would the WG not prohibit people from talking about it. Because talking aboud one piece and the void century are kinda iligal to.
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Great and solid theory (unlike the others about the same thing)
i really support it
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actually, the sea level would go down if the red line really did turn into debris… now if the red line was an huge iceberg, it would be a different story.
The actual change in sea level would depend on the displaced volume of water - if more of the land that is above water (and the red line is very high above water in some places) is added to the oceans, then the sea level will rise. There is no debating basic physics, yo.
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So consistent and solid! I love your theory. But I hope it will be fake, otherwise, it might be useless to still read One Piece if we already know the end.(joke
)Then, I particularly love the way you construe the meaning of "All Blue". In fact, I always thought All Blue was another ocean, probably a hidden one, but your idea is more simple and makes better sense.
Furthermore, I think your theory can explain how Sanji and Jimbei can fulfil their dreams… but, about other's one, I disagree with you, it may be possible it exists places/informations willingly hidden by Oda (Raftel for example).
Anyway, it is clear that your theory is brilliant, thanks very much for sharing.
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Quite a well thought out theory and seems quite plausible however I doubt that this is what will eventually happen. For the WG to commit genocide and wipe out an entire period of history, the AK and the One Piece must threaten their way of life.
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I doubt that this is what will eventually happen. For the WG to commit genocide and wipe out an entire period of history, the AK and the One Piece must threaten their way of life.
This theory would make much more sense if the 20 kings were pirates that had in mind to take control of the world and made Grand Line with the help of an enormous power. Who knows? this flag might have been a pirate flag 900 years ago:
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That would be a good twist and people from all over the world would have a good reason to spread chaos including an internal confict within the Marines.
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This theory would make much more sense if the 20 kings were pirates that had in mind to take control of the world and made Grand Line with the help of an enormous power. Who knows? this flag might have been a pirate flag 900 years ago:
That would be a good twist and people from all over the world would have a good reason to spread chaos including an internal confict within the Marines.
I was reading the Enel cover stories right now and that made me think if the world of One Piece is a world that was conquered by space pirates who conquer worlds and now they call themselves World Government
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If I were a little more creative, I could create an awesome theory about this… :ninja:
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If I were a little more creative, I could create an awesome theory about this… :ninja:
You could check this one from Liliette:
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You could check this one from Liliette:
Oh, so someone has thought about this before me!
Thanks! I will take a look!
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You could check this one from Liliette:
i like that theory.very well articulated,covering facts as well as cultural influences,symbology etc.even if it wrong,it is well worth a read.that Liliette person sure is good.
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Registered acc, just to join this epic thread. Good theory, with just some flaws.
1. History pattern - totally agreed.
2. Idea that Luffy will destroy Marijoa and it will also fulfill prophesy of mermaid - nice idea.
3. Idea that different seas will connect and it will fulfill dreams of many crew members, and will be named One Piece - good one.
4. Idea that ancient weapons can be used in good way (like controlling the weather and so) - epic one5. Idea that Luffy will destroy two spots on red line - I think it is going vs Oda's way of telling story, because things and deeds don’t repeat themself on the same level in this manga, as long as story keeps progressing.
6. Idea that it will fix everything - also not the best one, and in this thread you already discussed why.Ok now let me tell you few thoughts, that came by, while I was reading this thread:
Your part, about mermaids prophesy and Marijoa - makes a lot of sense. But lets look why Marijoa has to be destroyed (except the fact that Tenrubito are assholes).
Tenrubito live in a somehow secured place (but not unreachable), but everyone knows that you should never hurt one. Why ? They are terrible warriors, as we saw. Why do people fear them ? It looks like they have some untouchable power, probably mechanism, that allows them to control everything, not caring about their own strengths or powers.There are two things, that keep bothering me in this story, and about which you totally forgot.
1. One piece world structure. (Red line and grand line). There is no way that they are look natural. Ye you can say that it is made so, because Oda's left foot want it, but is it the real reason ?
2. Why Ponegliths can be found only on Grand line, and how they where transported to so many different Islands ?
I'll tell you why:I think the enemy of the AK (ancient kingdom which I think was called Raftel) was far more sinister and must have done something rotten enough to win that would antagonize the world. And I'm pretty sure it might have to do with the sort of social structure it led to with the tennryubito being on top of everyone.
I've been wondering though how the fvck did the WG manage to erase a 100 years of history. It makes more sense if it's limited to a country, but they literally wiped out the world history. Unless they did something horrible like slaying 90% of world population, …, it sounds impossible
Unless, like you said, both red line are grand line(along with calm belt) were somehow artificially made. Though I have no idea why would someone built them in the first place or how the hell they did it. The possibility is there though….
As I think, Ponegliths are indeed traces of ancient civilization. But they weren’t transported. They were created each on a Island, that they are now. I think, that whole civilization on their inhabited islands, where transported to artificial terrible conditions, that nowadays are named Grand Line, in order to be vaporized from history.
I think, that devises, that made this possible are still in the hands of Tenrubito, and probably located at Marijoa. I think the reason WG hunts ancient weapons is to keep Tenrubito's power unrivalled.And yes I think, that in last ark we will have epic world war, because we have Dragon's army and ViVi already, and if Luffy just destroys red line they are less likely to be involved.
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Well, we know that Sanji comes from North blue and people can go into differents sea without going into Grand Line, thats for sure. I dont think an huge ocean would be that cool actually, isn't Grand Line / New world what make the world of One Piece so amazing? I think it does.
It's not about being able to. It's able being able without dying. It's said that half the ships sink in the Reverse Mountain. An even lower proportion survives Paradise. 75% sink trying to reach Fishman Island. An even lower proportion survives the New World. It's a trip for the best seamen only. If this theory is right, It'd make it so much safer.
Also, it is possible to go from one blue to another, but in the same fashion that you need to abandon a ship to go through Mariejois, you probably need to abandon it to go from the North to the East Blue (as it consists on crossing the Red Line instead of Calm Belts + GL).
Still, it was not yet revelead how Sanji did it, as well as how you enter the Grand Line with a massive ship (i.e. Thriller Bark). Krieg was able to enter the Reverse Mountain with a ship much wider than the upstream (it can be a drawing mistake… The Going Merry is so small that even an average ship (Buggy's, Shank's, anyone's) cannot go through the Reverse Mountain with the proportions that were drawn.) and also able to return to East Blue through means unkown. Mihawk also.
What I'm saying is: It was said that there are many entrances to the white sea and I believe it applies to the Grand Line also. Still, having this ways doesn't mean they are safe. If this theory is correct, it would mean creating a new safer way. Two, actually. You wouldn't need to cross half planet to reach the New World.
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6. Idea that it will fix everything - also not the best one, and in this thread you already discussed why.
a guy at mangahelpers just threw in this idea
@Anduren:
Actually, the first hole you pointed out may not really be a hole. :) It was explained in chapter 105 that even though everything in the grand line is chaotic, the mineral rich islands in the grand line having strong magnetic fields is the only constant there that allows people to travel in it.
Nami also stated after the time skip that the red line is actually a chain of islands. It can't be just a coincidence that Pluton was described as a weapon "that can destroy whole islands". If the chaos in the grand line is caused by the magnetic fields of the chain of islands that is the red line, destroying it would maybe end the chaos. It's also curious that right after passing fishman island (passing the red line), the magnetic fields are so chaotic that even the normal log pose doesn't work anymore.
I totally missed out the bold one.
chapter 132, Vivi explained about the 4 types of GL's island
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the second page in a better translation : Vivi explained that in the worst occasion you have to endure 16 seasons at once. So logically that could happen if you are trapped in an area that is affected by 4 different seasonal islands.
But in chapter 604
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Nami said that Red Line is essentially a HUGE collection of these 4 types of islands joined together.
If 4 islands with different types are able create 16 seasons at once, just imagine what a chain of countless islands of these 4 types could do… The weather/climate could be chaotic beyond measuring.
what I'm trying to say, the fact that The Red Line is a chain of so many different type of islands might actually affect much larger area. Therefore, that might be the reason behind Grandline's random weather in general. So if the chain is destroyed somehow, the anomalies shall be reduced to minimal. (it still didn't explain why they have to particularly destroy those two spots though)
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what I'm trying to say, the fact that The Red Line is a chain of so many different type of islands might actually affect much larger area. Therefore, that might be the reason behind Grandline's random weather in general. So if the chain is destroyed somehow, the anomalies shall be reduced to minimal. (it still didn't explain why they have to particularly destroy those two spots though)
By that logic, every islands of the world should be chaotic since Red line is around the world from East blue to South blue. If Grand Line's anomalies disappear because of Red line's destruction, then Red Line is the cause of Grand Line's anomalies. But only a "small" part of this huge wall cross Grand Line.
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By that logic, every islands of the world should be chaotic since Red line is around the world from East blue to South blue. If Grand Line's anomalies disappear because of Red line's destruction, then Red Line is the cause of Grand Line's anomalies. But only a "small" part of this huge wall cross Grand Line.
err, I supposed that is true… but still, this might be the closest to logical reason behind the red line's destruction.
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well some people have said that breaking the Red Line would be useless since you can easily travel between the seas anyways.
But is this really true? I mean Reverse Mountain can only bring you from either one of the Blues into the Grand Line. I honestly don't know how an ordinary sailor could get from East to West Blue like that. Especially without going through the Grand Line a bit first.That's partly why I liked this idea of making it way easier to access other seas. The idea was already implemented into the readers when we first got into the Grand Line, with Laboon wanting to break it and all. It created the idea of the Red Line only being in the way and being a hindrance to travelling and meeting people you want to see.
Would seem beautiful to me if it was finally broken. Since Laboon gave an impression like "I want to get across this but I cannot travel through the Grand Line. I need another means to do it." -
well some people have said that breaking the Red Line would be useless since you can easily travel between the seas anyways.
But is this really true? I mean Reverse Mountain can only bring you from either one of the Blues into the Grand Line. I honestly don't know how an ordinary sailor could get from East to West Blue like that. Especially without going through the Grand Line a bit first.That's partly why I liked this idea of making it way easier to access other seas. The idea was already implemented into the readers when we first got into the Grand Line, with Laboon wanting to break it and all. It created the idea of the Red Line only being in the way and being a hindrance to travelling and meeting people you want to see.
Would seem beautiful to me if it was finally broken. Since Laboon gave an impression like "I want to get across this but I cannot travel through the Grand Line. I need another means to do it."Well for one, sailors can go through Mariejois. According to Norland's flashback, kings use it to sail between the Blues and the Grand Line. So I assume it works similar to Reverse Mountain.
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Oh right, I still owe an explanation
Here’s another theory : Joy Boy, he was actually the king of the AK
some theories around were based on real life references, this will be one of them. It’s not mine though, it’s my friend’s at local one piece forum. His username is BonneySHP11st, so all the credits goes to him.
So,
In Indonesian’s history there was once stood a hindu kingdom named The Kingdom of Kediri. The kingdom was pretty known here, particularly because we study about it in high school.
Apparently, the kingdom has some paralel similarites with the ancient kingdom in One Piece. Here they are :
- The kingdom ruled over the eastern java from AD 1042 to 1222. It reached its golden age from AD1130-1160 under the reign of its most known king. <- AD 1130 - 1160. that’s approximately 900-800 years ago.
- The kingdom was remarkable for its well-known prophecy. It basically predicted the downfall of the kingdom, as well as the downfall of Indonesian’s archipelago to white and yellow race foreigners, then be independent and glorious once again. The prophecy turned out to be true. <- not sure about this, but I think you can relate it to “the promised day” and shyarly’s prediction.
- They left out 3 historical epigraphs, mainly tell about a big war beetween Pandawa and Kurawa clans <- you can relate it to poneglyphs and the war between the AK and 20 kingdoms
Despite the similaraities, they could be mere coincidence. I mean, it’s not like Kediri was the only kingdom in the world which ruled around that time, nor it’s the only kingdom that left out epigraphs and prophecy. The similarities were not really that convincing either…
However, the name of its most known king, it’s the one that strike me the most. His name was King Joyoboyo.
when you first heard about “Joy Boy” did it ring any bell for you? I bet it didn’t. I mean, did the name sound so random, lol.(There was a thought about Joy Boy being an okama name but that couldn’t be serious.)
Reference wise, I didn’t recall anyone managed to find a real person named Joy Boy or anything close to that who might be related… well, until my friend posted this theory.
Kediri and king Joyoboyo have been quite known here, though I believe very few foreigners know about it. However Oda is genius and unexpectable when it comes to using reference, so this might be plausible.
P.S : you can find informations about Joyoboyo on wiki
all credits to BonneySHP11st kaskus.
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if poseidon that time (of joy boy) were something like kediri.
you my friend, just dug up some nice internet gold.
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Awesome theory, I agree with the most part, almost wish i didnt read it lol
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When i googled this joyoboyo, what i found in wikipedia is " Prelambang Joyoboyo, a prophetic book ascribed to Jayabhaya, is well known among Javanese". it's a book, not a king.
