Kuzan has an Ice Cream business and it booming right now!!! does this work?!
One Piece Chapter 698 “Doflamingo Appears”
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Kuzan has an Ice Cream business and it booming right now!!! does this work?!
. . . That actually sounds kind of awesome to be honest. I mean, I'd bet he makes the best ice cream in the world.
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. . . That actually sounds kind of awesome to be honest. I mean, I'd bet he makes the best ice cream in the world.
this is true lol please try my freshly made inmatecicles!!!!
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LOL^^^ made my day. hahahaha
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. . . That actually sounds kind of awesome to be honest. I mean, I'd bet he makes the best ice cream in the world.
then aokiji owns dairy queen. LOL
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That's a real funny joke. The word you should use is "trolling".
i think it's fairly obvious he was indeed joking;in fact using a humor device known as "sarcasm".ever heard of it?
and i indeed do feel that it is really you,dear forum poster,who is trolling. -
i think it's fairly obvious he was indeed joking;in fact using a humor device known as "sarcasm".ever heard of it?
and i indeed do feel that it is really you,dear forum poster,who is trolling.Nevertheless, those kind of "funny" theories belong in the Dumb Predictions thread. He should've just said it was a joke instead of playing along for two more messages.
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And the last 3 or 4 pages is what usually happens when we have a break…..
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Ahh, look at what happens to these "discussions" when there isn't a new chapter…..
I LOVE IT!
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So, any guesses what Doflamingo's New Bounty will be?
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So, any guesses what Doflamingo's New Bounty will be?
He won't quit the shichibukai.
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@Wrath:
At the least 450,000,000
That's still very low, He would at least surpass Kid.
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That's still very low, He would at least surpass Kid.
That's why I said at the least. Since he is so notorious though, probably 550,000,000 or even more then 600,000,000. Don't think we have ever seen a bounty that large yet.
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@Wrath:
That's why I said at the least. Since he is so notorious though, probably 550,000,000 or even more then 600,000,000. Don't think we have ever seen a bounty that large yet.
Ace's bounty was 550 million and it's the largest we've seen so far.
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Ace's bounty was 550 million and it's the largest we've seen so far.
That's what I thought. If Dolfamingo does resign, I'd assume his would be greater then that.
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(Prediction) Bounty of "Jack": 600,000,000-650,000,000 berry(!!!)
The guy sounds important; like a major player in the One Piece world.
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So, any guesses what Doflamingo's New Bounty will be?
If he were to quit the Shichibukai I think it will be between 550,000,000 and 650,000,000
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If we're talking about Doflamingo in terms of strength, this is where I put him on a tier list.
Lower-Top Tier:
•Silvers Rayleigh
•Marco
•Benn BeckmanUpper-High Tier:
•Magellan, Shiryu
•Don Quixote Doflamingo
•Jimbei, Portgas D. Ace
•Jozu
•Vista
•Monkey D. Luffy (Post-Timeskip)
•Eustass Kid (Post-Timeskip)
•Trafalgar Law (Post-Timeskip)
•Vergo
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Ace is much stronger than Jinbei. He fought him when he was 18 years old, 2 years happened afterwards and he is a D. That's like expecting pre-timeskip Luffy and post=timeskip Luffy to be the same strength, or every 40+ year to improve at the same rate as he did.
There is a reason Akainu saw Ace and Luffy as the two most dangerous characters in the war, ahead of Whitebeard, all Impel Down prisoners and Whitebeard's entire crew including people like Marco and Jozu.
Also how can you possible know Luffy > Kid > Law, we haven't seen anything from Kid and Luffy probably still has a lot to offer but currently looks easily weaker than Law (I don't expect him to but..).
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Ace is much stronger than Jinbei. He fought him when he was 18 years old, years happened afterwards. That's like expecting pre-timeskip Luffy and post=timeskip Luffy to be the same strength, or every 40+ year to improve at the same rate as he did.
Why wouldn't Jimbei have gotten any stronger? Him and Ace were equals.
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Because he's over 40 fucking years old. Who improves in strength more, someone who is not 20 and is getting stronger or someone who is 40+ years old?
Look at athletes, as soon as they hit mid 30s their power only gets weaker and in OP I can see a case of it staying roughly the same but improve and drastically? No.
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@Foxy:
If we're talking about Doflamingo in terms of strength, this is where I put him on a tier list.
Lower-Top Tier:
•Silvers Rayleigh
•Marco
•Benn BeckmanUpper-High Tier:
•Magellan, Shiryu
•Don Quixote Doflamingo
•Jimbei, Portgas D. Ace
•Jozu
•Vista
•Monkey D. Luffy (Post-Timeskip)
•Eustass Kid (Post-Timeskip)
•Trafalgar Law (Post-Timeskip)
•Vergo
•Enel
•SquardBless you for remembering Enel, honestly.
I wanna see more of him.
And Gin.
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Probably doesn't help that a friend has been watching One Piece (dub, but oh well, better than nothing and better than 4kids) and has watched a few in class (I usually joined him for a few) and yeah… watched a few Baratie episodes and one Arlong Park episode XD idk how far through he is now but yeah... I feel some sense of achievement > u < -
Because he's over 40 fucking years old. Who improves in strength more, someone who is not 20 and is getting stronger or someone who is 40+ years old?
Look at athletes, as soon as they hit mid 30s their power only gets weaker and in OP I can see a case of it staying roughly the same but improve and drastically? No.
It doesn't matter, even if Ace was stronger, it wouldn't be by a phenomenal amount, they were still roughly the same strength.
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or someone who is 40+ years old?
Look at athletes, as soon as they hit mid 30s their power only gets weaker and in OP I can see a case of it staying roughly the same but improve and drastically? No.
C'mon son. Such rules aren't the same for One Piece. This isn't Hajime no Ippo
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@Foxy:
It doesn't matter, even if Ace was stronger, it wouldn't be by a phenomenal amount, they were still roughly the same strength.
Yes in anything remotely similar to real life, it's all that matters. And unless One Piece wants to be far off reality in every sense of the way, I agree with you it doesn't matter. Once you hit over 35 years old, your body only goes downhill and that's with all your organs. An 18 year old and someone over 40 year old were to get stronger, the 18 year old would have a beyond massive advantage. Add to Ace that he is a D and Roger's son, there's no comparison.
The only exception to the rule is someone like BB who is stealing DF powers which add some balance, same with his crew.
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@Foxy:
Not if they make sense.
Your comparison with Ace and Jinbei clearly doesn't fit the bill.
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Chapter 698 Review:
- Caribou's story just keeps on going. Maybe he'll get off Kaidou's island now?
- So the gas only kills those petrified by it after half a day has passed. Guess that means anyone we thought dead is most likely on their way to being well and alive…
- Bro points to Smoker for letting Brownbeard find his men
- Dolflamingo returns with a vengeance and revives both Baby 5 and Buffalo. Nice look at his string fruit abilities as well.
- Smoker talked Dolflamingo out like a bad ass...and then Dolflamingo tore him apart
- Good to see some wrap-up explanations for the arc like Franky's whereabouts and Mini-Merry's retrieval.
- Law hearing from Sanji about Luffy's way of doing things was hilarious. What a great alliance.
- So it looks like Kaidou, Joker and the entire criminal empire are the alliance's target...makes me wonder when Kidd and the others will show up?
- I wonder what the connection between Kinemon and Kaidou is?
- Caesar's funny faces aside, the end scene with Kinemon joining the alliance to help assault Dressrosa was cool. I'm stoked for this next arc...
- So the mystery man was Kuzan all along. It's better then ANOTHER new random powerhouse.
Overall: A good wrap-up and opening chapter. Punk Hazard is finally over as Luffy and the Alliance make way to trash Dressrosa. Oda certainly is teasing alot...with all the brokers, Big Mom, the other Supernovas, the Navy, EVERYTHING. I think the world of One Piece is about to get VERY intense.
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Yes in anything remotely similar to real life, it's all that matters**. And unless One Piece wants to be far off reality in every sense of the way**
I'm pretty sure One Piece has been on that train for a while now…
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Your comparison with Ace and Jinbei clearly doesn't fit the bill.
Let's see your list.
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I'm pretty sure One Piece has been on that train for a while now…
Well every anime is obviously off reality to a certain degree but this is just silly to think that way. We are talking about Ace, Roger's son. This character that needed to die as he is likely to be in the same scope of Pirate King-level as Luffy by the end of the series, otherwise he wouldn't be a 20 year old with a 550m bounty. It's beyond illogical to think that a 18 year old who is the son of the greatest and strongest pirate ever and who is in his prime time of getting stronger, will raise in strength as some random Shichibukai. Jinbei is mid 40s, if he can get as strong in such a rapid state, then he is likely to be a new Yonko in 2-4 years.
Ace would have to be the biggest disappointment ever in terms of getting anything from his father, and his 550m bounty given by Oda clearly tells that it isn't the case.
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@Foxy:
Let's see your list.
I'm not going to make a list since a 2 year time skip has happened and we know nothing about every single Supernova for one other than Luffy and Law, and they themselves may have not shown all their cards (most likely, esp in Luffy's case). I'm just saying there's no way in hell the progress in power with Jinbei and Ace when you look at age and Ace's background is going to be the same.
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Yes in anything remotely similar to real life, it's all that matters. And unless One Piece wants to be far off reality in every sense of the way, I agree with you it doesn't matter.
Once you hit over 35 years old, your body only goes downhill and that's with all your organs.Every week I see you gripe about us trying to push speculations as facts, and yet, you are asserting something that Oda never said nor confirmed? When a character reaches 35 their body begins to lose momentum? What page or chapter did Oda say this? Is this a fact or are you just including facts from outside of the story and claiming it as so?
An 18 year old and someone over 40 year old were to get stronger, the 18 year old would have a beyond massive advantage. Add to Ace that he is a D
First off, we don't even know what D represents. Sure, those who do have a D happen to be the strongest characters in the story, but no where does it state that D equates to strong individuals. This is speculation. So for the second time in one post you are passing off speculation as fact (the thing that you complain about people doing every week!)
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Every week I see you gripe about us trying to push speculations as facts, and yet, you are asserting something that Oda never said nor confirmed? When a character reaches 35 their body begins to lose momentum? What page or chapter did Oda say this? Is this a fact or are you just including facts from outside of the story and claiming it as so?
First off, we don't even know what D represents. Sure, those who do have a D happen to be the strongest characters in the story, but no where does it state that D equates to strong individuals. This is speculation. So for the second time in one post you are passing off speculation as fact (the thing that you complain about people doing every week!)
Because the biggest Marine commander is shitting himself at the thought of Luffy and Ace getting away and yet he doesn't care whatsoever about anyone else including Jinbei? If Jinbei can raise in strength at the same rate as Ace, he probably would have went after him as well and the other Admirals would have also attacked him which I don't believe happens until he tries to help Luffy escape at the end of the arc.
No one considers Jinbei a serious threat in the war, just a strong Shichibukai which he is. In fact I didn't see Ace's point in death until after the arc is over, just how much of a potential big player he is for the future. Whitebeard looked to save him for the Yonko position to replace him, I wonder why Jinbei even though he knew him for so long would not get considered even though they were big allies? Do you honestly see Jinbei in being in the same league as Yonkos? No.
Ace is seen a major player in a few years that can change NW, does anyone honestly see the same happening with Jinbei?
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Because the biggest Marine commander is shitting himself at the thought of Luffy and Ace getting away and yet he doesn't care whatsoever about anyone else including Jinbei?
So basically, the only reason Sengoku would fear the growth of Luffy and Ace is due to… age? So there's nothing else, huh? No other factors involved…
Family Ties: Ace is the son of Roger… Luffy is the son of Dragon. Jinbei is the son of what?
Threat level: Who between the three have caused more damage? Luffy destroyed Ennies Lobby and punched a Celestrial Dragon for goodness sakes. Has Jinbei done anything worthy of the same threat level?
So… despite these factors, Sengoku is only concerned with age?!
Sengoku: "We gotta stop these rugrats, because they are young. And we all know young people ares scaries!!!"
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So basically, the only reason Sengoku would fear the growth of Luffy and Ace is due to… age? So there's nothing else, huh? No other factors involved…
Family Ties: Ace is the son of Roger… Luffy is the son of Dragon. Jinbei is the son of what?
Threat level: Who between the three have caused more damage? Luffy destroyed Ennies Lobby and punched a Celestrial Dragon for goodness sakes. Has Jinbei done anything worthy of the same threat level?
So… despite these factors, Sengoku is only concerned with age?!
Sengoku: "We gotta stop these rugrats, because they are young. And we all know young people ares scaries!!!"
I don't how to take that comment seriously. They have obviously done bad things but the point is that they will be stronger and do worse as they get older since they are very young and already have caused havoc. Ace was offered the Shichibukai position 1 year after he became a pirate. Because of who they are is why is also why they are dangerous, Dragon has progressively gotten more and more dangerous to the Government by the passing time, as the Alabasta arc (or was it Drum Kingdom) flashback showed that he will get more dangerous to the government. Currently Jinbei's bounty is 400m himself, so he is one that obviously would interest them as well.
If they didn't get stronger, then they wouldn't be able to move forward and cause more havoc. It isn't as if Luffy and Ace stay in the beginning of the Grand Line and just cause havoc there to troll the government. They want to move forward and to do that, they have to get much stronger (like every single opponent of Luffy's).
Also it's nice to know Akainu wants to stop Luffy and Ace more than others who have higher bounties because they have done more damage and are smaller threat to the government, makes sense. The family ties does correspond to their threat level but it actually shows my point, that the kids of these 2 dangerous people are seen as the type to become strong enough to cause the government such problems that they would rather let a Yonko go over those two.
I think it's common sense that Luffy and Ace will get stronger with time and that they would rather take them down before that happens. Whitebeard obviously thought so as well since he was saving his seat for Ace when he was strong enough, but .. perhaps you know more than Whitebeard?
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Yes in anything remotely similar to real life, it's all that matters. And unless One Piece wants to be far off reality in every sense of the way, I agree with you it doesn't matter. Once you hit over 35 years old, your body only goes downhill and that's with all your organs. An 18 year old and someone over 40 year old were to get stronger, the 18 year old would have a beyond massive advantage. Add to Ace that he is a D and Roger's son, there's no comparison.
The only exception to the rule is someone like BB who is stealing DF powers which add some balance, same with his crew.
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Your comparison with Ace and Jinbei clearly doesn't fit the bill.
Real world's physical facts don't apply in OP, not to the fighters and important characters. If they did, the entire crew would be dead from injuries alone.
There are 3 charcaters that show that real world facts don't apply to the strong (either strong in fighing and/or in character). IF they declined any its insignifact to ordinary civilians.
Shanks, Rayleigh and Dr.KurehaShanks is about 39 and doing strong for a Yonku.
Rayleigh MAY have said that he was declining in his old age BUT was able to swim in the Calm Belt. Something Luffy's not yet to do
While not a pirate, its clear she has a strong personality and will. Kureha is about 130-131, so by your logic she should be going downhill for nearly 100 years when she first met The strawhats. Yet she was strong enough to kick ass. For a hag thats been should have been declining since she hit her 30s, she was able to chase Luffy & Sanji about, throw giant axes and was able make Sanji stay down and out of a fight (his back was already injured but we've seen him fight in that contidion or worse) and we didn't see her panting or struggling at all. No wonder Luffy wanted her to join his crew
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We're not doing this whole "getting away from the point" roundabout
Your initial claim is that as characters get to the age of 35 they become less volatile, which allows the younger characters to "catch up" and become stronger.
In football, this makes sense; however, in One Piece no such rules have been stated… ever!
Yes I agree, the marines did need to stop Ace and Luffy because they had the potential to be more dangerous as they got older. I don't disagree with that. THe thing is I don't know how you went from "Character's body become weaker at the age of 35" to "We need to stop pirates at a young age"
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GreatestSwordsman, you took this too seriously, I claimed that Jimbei and Ace are roughly equals, which was confirmed by Oda. It's already been proven that age doesn't matter in One Piece and Jimbei didn't decline dramatically, that was your assumption, which has no ground in the story.
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Because he's over 40 fucking years old. Who improves in strength more, someone who is not 20 and is getting stronger or someone who is 40+ years old?
Look at athletes, as soon as they hit mid 30s their power only gets weaker and in OP I can see a case of it staying roughly the same but improve and drastically? No.
The Old Admiral trio wouldn't be admirals if they didn't improve in strength at their ages, they are 49 53 and 56 if i remember correctly, if their strength begins to deteriorate, they wouldn't pose a threat to anyone on the last war. Strength in Further ages does not count in the world of One Piece.
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LOL, TheGreatestSwordsman was just chewed up and spit out by everyone.
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@Foxy:
GreatestSwordsman, you took this too seriously, I claimed that Jimbei and Ace are roughly equals, which was confirmed by Oda. It's already been proven that age doesn't matter in One Piece and Jimbei didn't decline dramatically, that was your assumption, which has no ground in the story.
I don't know if it was confirmed. Ace hadn't even joined the Whitebeard Pirates, he was still young and growing in strength (being a D). His bounty was something like 550mil, which Luffy hasn't even reached yet (despite what he's done) and he was trading equal blows with Jinbei (and Sanji).
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Real world's physical facts don't apply in OP, not to the fighters and important characters. If they did, the entire crew would be dead from injuries alone.
There are 3 charcaters that show that real world facts don't apply to the strong (either strong in fighing and/or in character). IF they declined any its insignifact to ordinary civilians.
Shanks, Rayleigh and Dr.KurehaShanks is about 39 and doing strong for a Yonku.
Rayleigh MAY have said that he was declining in his old age BUT was able to swim in the Calm Belt. Something Luffy's not yet to do
While not a pirate, its clear she has a strong personality and will. Kureha is about 130-131, so by your logic she should be going downhill for nearly 100 years when she first met The strawhats. Yet she was strong enough to kick ass. For a hag thats been should have been declining since she hit her 30s, she was able to chase Luffy & Sanji about, throw giant axes and was able make Sanji stay down and out of a fight (his back was already injured but we've seen him fight in that contidion or worse) and we didn't see her panting or struggling at all. No wonder Luffy wanted her to join his crew
I still stand that they, at around a certain age don't get stronger at the pace that young guns do. In OP world that Rayleigh is incredibly strong, and he was obviously stronger before than now. Just because he is still incredibly strong now, doesn't mean that he wasn't stronger in the past. He states when he fights Kizaru and when he swims that his age is affecting him and had he been younger, things would have been easier. Regarding Kureha, it was obvious that she is some type of exception, as the running joke of her asking people how she can live this long.
It's not like Shanks is some weakling, I just don't see him getting stronger and stronger at the pace that someone like Luffy is (or pace that Ace would have). I don't see the people who are in their 40s, 50s improving in power at the same rate the Supernovas are. Law just gave a speech about the same thing, we are younger, new and getting stronger while the old stay the same.
I don't know how this turned into me stating that in real life being 35 years old your organs start to decline, this somehow translates so in OP world everyone who hits that age turns into a useless character that has to be a weakling. It was used to show that progress of youngster esp one who has ties to Roger, will improve at a faster pace than someone who is much much older than him.
We're not doing this whole "getting away from the point" roundabout
Your initial claim is that as characters get to the age of 35 they become less volatile, which allows the younger characters to "catch up" and become stronger.
In football, this makes sense; however, in One Piece no such rules have been stated… ever!
Yes I agree, the marines did need to stop Ace and Luffy because they had the potential to be more dangerous as they got older. I don't disagree with that. THe thing is I don't know how you went from "Character's body become weaker at the age of 35" to "We need to stop pirates at a young age"
The initial point was that Ace was 18 and is far more likely to improve at a faster pace than someone in their mid 40s, especially considering he's the son of Gol D. Roger. I stated the point about the organs afterwards that start to deteriorate and yes in OP they don't go at a level as real life but obviously the point stands as Whitebeard was having several issues and even Akainu specifically mentioned his age is finally taking a hit. Blackbeard mocks him for that reason. Does that mean that characters in OP deteriorate at the exact same pace as real life? No, but it does affect them.
There's a whole new saga filled with arcs after the time skip for this reason, new getting stronger to overthrow the old. If the old could improve at the same rate as the youngsters, Supernovas would have no chance.
I do enjoy that people made it seem that just because I stated one's starts to deteriorate after that age, it must mean that I obviously meant that the body deteriorates at a real age exactly the same between real world and One Piece world. Must be nice to change what someone says to fit your point.
@Foxy:
GreatestSwordsman, you took this too seriously, I claimed that Jimbei and Ace are roughly equals, which was confirmed by Oda. It's already been proven that age doesn't matter in One Piece and Jimbei didn't decline dramatically, that was your assumption, which has no ground in the story.
It was confirmed that the two are equals when Ace was 20? Link? If he said that it would be a bigger plot hole than someone thing Blackbeard can make considering the potential future danger implied at Marineford arc by Akainu regarding Ace.
The Old Admiral trio wouldn't be admirals if they didn't improve in strength at their ages, they are 49 53 and 56 if i remember correctly, if their strength begins to deteriorate, they wouldn't pose a threat to anyone on the last war. Strength in Further ages does not count in the world of One Piece.
EDIT. except for Shirohige maybe.Again my earlier statement is taken far out of context. I said the body starts to deteriorate in real life after 35, which was a response to Ace/Jinbei raising in power at around the same rate.
We already have seen Zephyr, Sengoku (and Garp who is Admiral level) retire in the time that the show has stared, and others have replaced them. It's not crazy to think that the same scenario happened here, during a 20 year timeframe. Others quitting and Admirals taking over their place doesn't mean that their powers drastically improves. I still don't believe that characters like Aokiji Kizaru and Akainu can raise in strength at the same pace someone like Luffy or Ace do at their young age currently and it's pretty ridiculous to think otherwise.
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I don't know if it was confirmed. Ace hadn't even joined the Whitebeard Pirates, he was still young and growing in strength (being a D). His bounty was something like 550mil, which Luffy hasn't even reached yet (despite what he's done) and he was trading equal blows with Jinbei (and Sanji).
You need to read this scene again.
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Here's one thing:
Akainu and Blackbeard. Both are old and both have been built to be the final bout at the end of the series.
I'm willing to bet that Akainu has become stronger now compared to his level pre time skip. We all should be pretty damn skippy that Blackbeard is improving in strength as well.
Neither of these two are youngins and are proof that despite their age they are becoming stronger.
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We already have seen Zephyr, Sengoku (and Garp who is Admiral level) retire in the time that the show has stared, and others have replaced them. It's not crazy to think that the same scenario happened here, during a 20 year timeframe. Others quitting and Admirals taking over their place doesn't mean that their powers drastically improves. I still don't believe that characters like Aokiji Kizaru and Akainu can raise in strength at the same pace someone like Luffy or Ace do at their young age currently and it's pretty ridiculous to think otherwise.
Yes, True but the admirals have already reached the peak of their strength, but they started at a young age as well, and they proved that until they reached Admiral level. As for Jimbei, he still has room to improve and better himself, if he so chooses to. Just a thought though, and if he decided to join and aid Luffy in his adventures then he should also grow stronger as well.
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poweeeeeeeeer levels.
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I bet Shanks became more of a threat and stronger after Rayleigh hit 35… I wonder how an apprentice is stronger than his Vice-Captain since I'm sure Rayleigh was at least 35 and Shanks still was apprentice....