Chapter 696 - Matching Interests
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@Nex:
I feel by like the end of it, they won't be enemies. Since this is Luffy's story, he will be the one who really brings down Kaido, thus LAw will know his power, and along the way Law will fall victim to that special power of Luffy's and they will be true allies by the end.
I am confident enough to wager that Law and Luffy will never have a serious winner take all fight. From this point on they will never be enemies moving against each other.
But Law also wants to become Pirate King. Do you really think Law will give up his goal just to help Luffy with his? Luffy himself said that they'll be enemies as long as the both of them are going after One Piece. Law planned this entire scheme in order to take away the main obstacles for his own quest to find One Piece, not Luffy's.
At best, they will become friendly enemies.
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that scene was censored in anime so i was going by anime logic..
No it wasn't, his arm cracked off in anime aswell but its easily missed if you didn't look well.
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But Law also wants to become Pirate King. Do you really think Law will give up his goal just to help Luffy with his? Luffy himself said that they'll be enemies as long as the both of them are going after One Piece. Law planned this entire scheme in order to take away the main obstacles for his own quest to find One Piece, not Luffy's.
At best, they will become friendly enemies.
Ace wanted to be Pirate King but he ended up trying to make his Dads enemy the pirate king.. And I haven't seen Law say he going after One piece, what if he wants to just takeover the underworld? Or just be a powerful pirate that brings chaos when the sea gets quiet n boring?
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Ace wanted to be Pirate King but he ended up trying to make his Dads enemy the pirate king.. And I haven't seen Law say he going after One piece, what if he wants to just takeover the underworld? Or just be a powerful pirate that brings chaos when the sea gets quiet n boring?
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About 3-4 more chapters it'll be the end of future volume 70. So it's a guarantee that some great cliffhanger will occur.
Is there going to be another week break in the next 2-4 weeks? Not that I mind that, though.. For a guy that only sleeps 3 hours a day, monthly break is a must.
Anyway, leisure time! Next week imo we'll be getting more info and more leisure/rest chapter.. Though a warming up surprise/cliffhanger is possible. -
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Like he said, One Piece isn't going anywhere. It's been there since Roger was executed. In One Piece world practically every pirate is out there because of the one treasure Roger left behind, but it's not as they can't make alliances because they see themselves as each others' competitors. I don't really see Law as the kind of guy who would necessarily be interested in One Piece or a title like Pirate King, instead the title of an underworld mastermind seems much more fitting.
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@Tom:
Like he said, One Piece isn't going anywhere. It's been there since Roger was executed. In One Piece world practically every pirate is out there because of the one treasure Roger left behind, but it's not as they can't make alliances because they see themselves as each others' competitors. I don't really see Law as the kind of guy who would necessarily be interested in One Piece or a title like Pirate King, instead the title of an underworld mastermind seems much more fitting.
But Law is interested in One Piece. He's just taking it slow unlike other pirates.
There's nothing indicating that Law simply wants to be an underworld mastermind, or even part of the underworld at all.
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But Law is interested in One Piece. He's just taking it slow unlike other pirates.
There's nothing indicating that Law simply wants to be an underworld mastermind, or even part of the underworld at all.
There's little indicating anything about Law, since we know so little about him and unlike Luffy/Kid, he doesn't just come out and say everything he thinks/wants. Hopefully by the end of 2013, it will be clearer what his goals are entirely and some nice panels or chapters showing us his past and his connection with Doflamingo wouldn't hurt either. He was far too serious this arc compared to the other two occasions he was presented, and I think it must be because he knows how dangerous Doflamingo is and/or the attack on the Yonko is a time sensitive issue.
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@Foxy:
But, Noah is already on Fishman Island, so maybe Kaido will be the one who will attempt to take Shirahoshi.
Well, when Caribou has to offer something (like, let`s say important information about an ancient weapon he just happened to
hear) to Kaidou, so that he will get away with his life, that is possible.Iam still wondering which emperor now rly will be the next one to appear/be the opponent.
BigMum and her tea party or will Law`s plan take them to Kaidou before all that..and what is with the reverie?!When we assume Kaidou approaches FI to get his hands on Noah, we will definitely have BigMum also involved, because a yonkou being in her territory won
t go unnoticed. But i can
t honestly believe that we will going AGAIN to FI after just leaving it…Noah has for me more the feeling of coming back when we get closer to the conclusion of the whole story. -
@Tom:
Like he said, One Piece isn't going anywhere. It's been there since Roger was executed. In One Piece world practically every pirate is out there because of the one treasure Roger left behind, but it's not as they can't make alliances because they see themselves as each others' competitors. I don't really see Law as the kind of guy who would necessarily be interested in One Piece or a title like Pirate King, instead the title of an underworld mastermind seems much more fitting.
I'm just not understanding your disbelief. How else can you interpret "One Piece isn't going anywhere"?
So not only has Law mentioned interest in One Piece, Law has spent two years training, reaching for a shichibukai position, and is now commencing on his plot to disrupt the Yonkou establishment.
All of these clues point to Law's desire to become Pirate King.
But if you see it another way, in spite of all these things, then please explain.
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But FI will be Luffy's territory!
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@melody:
i did not know that.. i just checked OP wikia and it's true..
edit: i take back what i said.. that must be some mistake on opwikia.. just checked manga ch. 590 and he have both hands..
picture from wikia:! http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120112111616/onepiece/images/0/06/Armless_jozu.png
manga picture:
! http://img.mangastream.to/manga/one-piece/590/09.pngit could be that BB and shanks will have a duel again and BB might kill shanks and then luffy would want revenge..
for what I know that was a mistake that Oda corrected in the tankobon version of the chapter
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We have Big Mom's tea party coming up and we all know there is a bomb in the Tomate Box. So since Fishman Island and Punk Hazard have happened within a couple of days(correct me if I'm wrong) and if we have one more arc(Wano Presumably) that arc could span a day or two by that time the Tea Party starts and well "BAM" Big Mom is coming. Now with Kaidou being mixed in to the equation. Now who will go first?:ninja:
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I'm just not understanding your disbelief. How else can you interpret "One Piece isn't going anywhere"?
So not only has Law mentioned interest in One Piece, Law has spent two years training, reaching for a shichibukai position, and is now commencing on his plot to disrupt the Yonkou establishment.
All of these clues point to Law's desire to become Pirate King.
But if you see it another way, in spite of all these things, then please explain.
Those don't point to him wanting to be PK, unless he himself states it. From my understanding, he wants Yonkos that don't just sit in their little corner of the world and do nothing, like Whitebeard, Shanks, BM, and Kaidou. During the time Luffy was in the Grand line, none of them threatened or fought against the WG/marines until an incident instigated by the WG themselves. None of those clues other than him saying OP will be there point to him wanting to be pirate king. If he wants to see a different world and doesn't like the way things are going on, has a vandetta against WG, wants to control the underground or whatever it may be, dethroning a couple of strong characters all point to things that he has done.
It's very likely as soon as the old school generation of Yonkos is dethroned, it's going to turn something into all out war against the WG. Law seeks OP (thanks to the one that highlighted the page), and based on assumptions and that small bit between Shiki and Roger, it could be a weapon.
I'm not saying Law doesn't want to be PK 100% since it's unknown, but I have a suspicion the way he was first introduced that he does not want it or at least will end up not really going after it. They specifically made Kid state the fact that he wants that title and to be known straight from his introduction. It's very likely that Kid probably dethrones one of the Yonkos and Luffy kicks his ass (no I don't think Luffy is going to beat BM, Kaidou, BB and Shanks since thankfully Oda doesn't write the whole story to only revolve around the main character). Even his 2nd hand is someone you know Zoro is going to take down.
Anyways currently I, you and whoever else can claim to know what he wants but in reality none of us know. Law is far too reserved to have idea what is going on that brain of his. He took his time to go to New Wolrd, than you have Luffy 2.0 (ie Kid) who went there and looks like he got his ass kicked by someone (scars everywhere). Law is very methodical and has given very little of his plans to know for certain his objectives.
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We have Big Mom's tea party coming up and we all know there is a bomb in the Tomate Box. So since Fishman Island and Punk Hazard have happened within a couple of days(correct me if I'm wrong) and if we have one more arc(Wano Presumably) that arc could span a day or two by that time the Tea Party starts and well "BAM" Big Mom is coming. Now with Kaidou being mixed in to the equation. Now who will go first?:ninja:
Big Mam will go first
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I think that Kid, Apoo, Hawkins, and Killer along with their crews will crash Big Moms tea party, which may lead her to believe that they were the ones responsible for the bomb and not Luffy.
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@Foxy:
I think that Kid, Apoo, Hawkins, and Killer along with their crews will crash Big Moms tea party, which may lead her to believe that they were the ones responsible for the bomb and not Luffy.
She would know that the treasure was given to them By Luffy because I would assume Pekoms and Tomago would have told her, assuming anyways
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She would know that the treasure was given to them By Luffy because I would assume Pekoms and Tomago would have told her, assuming anyways
I meant that as soon as she opens the box, the Kidd, Apoo, Hawkins Alliance bursts in, making it seem like they fired something at her.
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@Foxy:
I meant that as soon as she opens the box, the Kidd, Apoo, Hawkins Alliance bursts in, making it seem like they fired something at her.
well that would be true lol that's assuming pekoms and tomago never told her over snail phone…. what you say is good
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Who says she'll open the treasure during her party? just saying 4 days is only the arrival of the bomb, cause until we see big mom blatantly say "i'll open this treasure box that looks just delightful" and get's a bomb blown up in her face we know that this is not actually going to happen no matter what kind of evidence is provided to us. If anyone gets my drift.
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Anyways currently I, you and whoever else can claim to know what he wants but in reality none of us know.
People claim to know when sufficient evidence has been presented. We don't know what One Piece is, but based on the little that has been revealed, we can calmly claim that it will be dangerous or life changing. In Law's case, there has been sufficient evidence provided for us to claim that he wants to become PK. There's nothing wrong with going out on a limb from time to time and claim something as right.
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Who says she'll open the treasure during her party? just saying 4 days is only the arrival of the bomb, cause until we see big mom blatantly say "i'll open this treasure box that looks just delightful" and get's a bomb blown up in her face we know that this is not actually going to happen no matter what kind of evidence is provided to us. If anyone gets my drift.
definitely got your point. just listing possibilities ^^
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I like all of the theories and suggestions posted in this thread, real good stuff.
I'm pretty sure Law is on the move to become P.K as well, why else would you become a pirate? For the freedom? Sure maybe, but wouldn't you want to be the best pirate there is? I mean I was shocked when I found out that D.D was on the move to become the P.K as well. The title of P.K is the title that every living breathing pirate wants with the possible exception of Shanks and W.B. The Yonko are all powerful so I guess they are stuck in a stale mate of power since they are pretty much equal in strength. A Yonko vs Yonko would be a war on the same magnitude as Marineford if not more destructive. The winner would have a huge loss in crew members, thus leaving them vulnerable to other pirates who now want that oh so achievable spot of Yonko (safe to say the loser would automatically loose their position).
What I need to know is who is that mysterious shadow figure, can't wait to find out, hopefully by next chapter we will know. DD is on the move I wonder if he'll reach in time.
I really need to see Law's crew and if they are still in tact or were the hearts that he gave up his own crews? That would be some sadistic personality.
Ah, Luffy going for Shank's how could you not see this coming? You think Shank's is going to let Luffy just walk up to Raftel without giving him a run for his money? He's an emperor and he knows what comes with that title. We know nothing about Shanks, hell, his crews powers along with his are just as a mystery as Big Mom's and her crews powers. We've received an introduction to Beckman, Lucky, Yasopp and Rockstar, that's about it. I think there is more to Shank's that meets the eye. Honestly, I think he's a hardcore killer when it come down to it and he shows no mercy whatsoever. I know he and his crew love to fight, I mean look at Marineford, they were ready to go wild but no one stepped up. In addition, Lucky shooting that bandit without any remorse is something to take in. His crew will kill to win unlike the Straw Hats, a trait, which I suppose, is developed after considerable time in the New World as stronger opponents come along.
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Who says she'll open the treasure during her party? just saying 4 days is only the arrival of the bomb, cause until we see big mom blatantly say "i'll open this treasure box that looks just delightful" and get's a bomb blown up in her face we know that this is not actually going to happen no matter what kind of evidence is provided to us. If anyone gets my drift.
Well… I don't think Big Mam's party was alluded this early to not have a more significant part in the story. I think this party will serve as the perfect time for the explosion.
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Hey just read a comment on naruto forums and I think it clarfys why Kinemon was okay.
I quote.
_It's called Haki.
Luffy demonstrates:
Kinemon: With a strong enough spirit there is no path that cannot be traversed!! Come now!! Even through fire, even through gas!!:
Rayleigh: "Haki" is a power that lies dormant in all the world's creatures… "Presence", "fighting spirit" and "intimidation"… It is not different from the things that humans can naturally sense such as these... 'The act of not doubting'. That is strength!:
For fucks sake… Learn to read the manga properly before you call "ass pull" or "bad writing". His Haki coated his body with an invisible armor so that the poison did not reach him._
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i dont even understand guys who call asspulls on shonen manga. on a shonen manga.
on a shonen manga.
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since guys are giving examples of alice in wonderland / big mom comparisons : the tea party is where alice met the mad hatter, the march hare and the dormouse.
which ultimately led her to the queen's (bigmom) lair....in which they fought/competed using a flamingo.
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i dont even understand guys who call asspulls on shonen manga. on a shonen manga.
on a shonen manga.
To be fair, just because a shonen is usually grounded in fantasy and isn't realistic in environment, that doesn't excuse them from shoddy writing. There's a fine line between accepting a flimsy plot point with some reason to it and accepting a flat-out poorly written plot-point.
As for Kinemon's situation…...yeah, I need more of a reason than just "it was haki".
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As for Kinemon's situation…...yeah, I need more of a reason than just "it was haki".
Why do we need a reason? I think it was already clear that Caesar's gas takes a long time to take effect. The only difference with the new Shinokuni is the added "petrification". Kinemon surviving the poison is nothing extraordinary, especially with people like Chopper and Law around. And now that Caesar told them how do create an antidote, even the Marine foddermedics can cure the intoxication.
In general I think people overestimate Caesar's work. The guy is a failure, a second rate scientist when compared to Vegapunk (thus his inferiority complex). His abilities are insanely dangerous, but his experiments are nothing special. Oda doesn't allow his villains to succeed, and the moment we knew about Caesar's motivation (fame) it was clear that he won't achieve it. Shinokuni doesn't live up to the hype, and now the whole New World knows about it. The villains ambition is crushed, people not being dead is a welcome sideeffect. At least that's how I interpret it.
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Why do we need a reason? I think it was already clear that Caesar's gas takes a long time to take effect. The only difference with the new Shinokuni is the added "petrification". Kinemon surviving the poison is nothing extraordinary, especially with people like Chopper and Law around. And now that Caesar told them how do create an antidote, even the Marine foddermedics can cure the intoxication.
Right, but at least the G-5 fodder will (most likely at this rate) recover _because o_f Caesar's information. The creator himself is sharing the information to counter his creation, that makes some reasonable sense.
How exactly is the Kinemon the random exception that recovered in this chapter?
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Well, I don't know, the same panel where shinokuni breaks from Luffy's fingers kind of proves them surviving is not out-of-nowhere.
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You guys are missing something- CC said that smiley when it poisoned people they were only weakened but they were still able to escape to a better place..http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/675/13 . And here he explains that shinokuni is better cuz it can stop people's movement http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/676/11 my point is that- never once in the manga did CC ever state that shinokuni was meant to kill..
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Well, I don't know, the same panel where shinokuni breaks from Luffy's fingers kind of proves them surviving is not out-of-nowhere.
It also helps that they seemed to have gotten the information out of Ceasar's mouth, how to fix things somehow, not just randomly.You guys are missing something- CC said that smiley when it poisoned people they were only weakened but they were still able to escape to a better place..
! . And here he explains that shinokuni is better cuz it can stop people's movement my point is that- never once in the manga did CC ever state that shinokuni was meant to kill..
Right, it's a chemical weapon designed for underworld brokers that has (unnamed and undetailed at this point) a definite cure.
I just want some more details, that's all. Or am I thinking too hard here?
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Or am I thinking too hard here?
Well.. I'd say that your concentrating on something that's really not that big of a deal. Had this been Luffy who escaped from this predicament, then I suppose an explanation is warranted.
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Right, it's a chemical weapon designed for underworld brokers that has (unnamed and undetailed at this point) a definite cure.
I just want some more details, that's all. Or am I thinking too hard here?
A few details would be nice, but this one definitely seems to be more properly planned, than other characters that have survived impossible odds.
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How exactly is the Kinemon the random exception that recovered in this chapter?
Kinemon
a) is not a G-5 fodder Marine.
b) And even if, he got petrified merely 2 chapters ago.
The point is that the gas isn't very effective. Even years ago people (most likely fodder) could still get away. Instead of increasing the efficiency of the poisonous part, Caesar simply added a petrifying effect to it. The victims will slowly die in their Shinokuni prison.
So at least to me it is no surprise that Kinemon, a powerful named character, can survive it's effects for 2-3 chapters.
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I just want some more details, that's all. Or am I thinking too hard here?
Here click the link, CC explained it. http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/676/11
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Well.. I'd say that your concentrating on something that's really not that big of a deal. Had this been Luffy who escaped from this predicament, then I suppose an explanation is warranted.
Guess I still have mixed feelings on the Shinokuni victims recovering. I had a feeling Kinemon would recover (mainly because so much of his story wasn't finished at the time) and had a feeling the G-5 Marines would recover (mainly because it's not a new thing for Oda), but I just wish the threat of it all didn't have to be cast aside and the trials of the arc turn out to be…..so underwhelming? Lack of suspense?
Then again, Jabra's post puts it a bit in perspective. Caesar's goals weren't meant to be accomplished, and his experiments were, ultimately, a failure.
@Kizuchan: Yeah, I can give credit for the situation being more believable than compared to the past.
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People claim to know when sufficient evidence has been presented. We don't know what One Piece is, but based on the little that has been revealed, we can calmly claim that it will be dangerous or life changing. In Law's case, there has been sufficient evidence provided for us to claim that he wants to become PK. There's nothing wrong with going out on a limb from time to time and claim something as right.
Sufficient evidence? The only evidence is that he wants OP, which when Shiki was talking to Roger it's implied it's a weapon. There's nothing else that ties him into wanting to rule over everyone. It's a likely scenario obviously but it's far too open at this moment.
Frankly, I hope there is a few supernovas whose only goal isn't Pirate King, especially when 2 of 4 strongest characters in One Piece currently want nothing to do with the title (WB + Shanks).
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Guess I still have mixed feelings on the Shinokuni victims recovering. I had a feeling Kinemon would recover (mainly because so much of his story wasn't finished at the time) and had a feeling the G-5 Marines would recover (mainly because it's not a new thing for Oda), but I just wish the threat of it all didn't have to be cast aside and the trials of the arc turn out to be…..so underwhelming? Lack of suspense?
Then again, Jabra's post puts it a bit in perspective. Caesar's goals weren't meant to be accomplished, and his experiments were, ultimately, a failure.
No it wasn't a failure, it was a success CC said so, Shinokuni was meant to paralyze his victim not kill them..
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Sufficient evidence? The only evidence is that he wants OP, which when Shiki was talking to Roger it's implied it's a weapon. There's nothing else that ties him into wanting to rule over everyone. It's a likely scenario obviously but it's far too open at this moment.
What is all this junk about ruling everyone coming from? Who (asides from yourself) said that?
- Law says "One Piece isn't going anywhere" This implies that they are going after One Piece
- None of the SN know what One Piece is. Law isn't after a weapon. He's after One Piece for one reason: to become PK!
- He's become a shichibukai for the purpose of getting close to SAD so that he could destroy the structure of one of the Yonkou. Who else (asides from Marines)…. what other pirate is trying to destroy a Yonkou establishment? Who? Those who want to become PK!
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Kinemon's recovery still has to be explained, dudes. Even if the poison wouldn't be so effective, breaking apart after that then sure is.
It will either have to do with his Devil Fruit or Momonosuke's probably.
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I think Momo's DF is a failure in the aspect of not being able to control when he transforms.
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Kinemon's recovery still has to be explained, dudes. Even if the poison wouldn't be so effective, breaking apart after that then sure is.
It will either have to do with his Devil Fruit or Momonosuke's probably.
It's obviously Haki, the Shinokuni didn't affect Luffy when he was using CoA.
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@Foxy:
It's obviously Haki, the Shinokuni didn't affect Luffy when he was using CoA.
Yeah, but Luffy didn't break his hands in half after that.
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What is all this junk about ruling everyone coming from? Who (asides from yourself) said that?
- Law says "One Piece isn't going anywhere" This implies that they are going after One Piece
- None of the SN know what One Piece is. Law isn't after a weapon. He's after One Piece for one reason: to become PK!
- He's become a shichibukai for the purpose of getting close to SAD so that he could destroy the structure of one of the Yonkou. Who else (asides from Marines)…. what other pirate is trying to destroy a Yonkou establishment? Who? Those who want to become PK!
Err there's no point talking about this since you seem to think speculation like your last point somehow is the equivalent of proven evidence. So much that you made the same point twice about Law going after OP out of your 3 points. Currently the only known fact (ie real evidence) that Law could want to be PK is that he wants Roger's treasure. Otherwise everything else you try so hard to point is nothing but events that have happened that easily may or may not have anything to do with him wanting to be the king of Pirates.
We obviously disagree in the issue but there's no point making your speculation (which is certainly very feasible) and calling it evidence because there's no connecting proof other than in your head…
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Yeah, but Luffy didn't break his hands in half after that.
Kinemon didn't break in half, the ash just cracked off.
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Err there's no point talking about this since you seem to think speculation like your last point somehow is the equivalent of proven evidence. So much that you made the same point twice about Law going after OP out of your 3 points. Currently the only known fact (ie real evidence) that Law could want to be PK is that he wants Roger's treasure. Otherwise everything else you try so hard to point is nothing but events that have happened that easily may or may not have anything to do with him wanting to be the king of Pirates.
We will have to agree to disagree. I believe those things that I brought up were evidence enough to suggest that Law's goals are to be PK. If anyone else disagrees then I would like to hear their thoughts as well.
Also there's nothing wrong with me re stating the evidence. Especially when you haven't even addressed any of them
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No it wasn't a failure, it was a success CC said so, Shinokuni was meant to paralyze his victim not kill them..
Oop, I said the wrong thing. I meant to paraphrase Jabra ("his experiments were nothing special").
Then again, didn't all the brokers witness Luffy beating the snot out of the Caesar-Shinokuni hybrid? And there might be a scene where they see the victims being treated by the Marines…..something tells me that successful paralysis or not, they won't take all of this well.
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Does anyone have any theories about Wano?
It's based on Japan under the Tokugawa Shogunate, where it had a closed door policy. Leaving Japan was punishable by death. Maybe Kinemon and Momonosuke will have a death sentence for leaving Wano-Kuni.
Speculating about Wano is interesting, when one thinks about all of the possibilities of things that Oda will show. I am sure that Wano will be filled with xenophobic references as well as a lot of Japanese Mythology.