I've always been of the opinion that at the very least your story should have a defined ending, right from the start. Filling out the gaps along the way is fine (I doubt Punk Hazard was in Odas mind 15 years ago), but you need an endpoint so you know what to work towards.
Or failing that, at least know how the current arc is supposed to end!
Fairy Tail Discussion III
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I've always been of the opinion that at the very least your story should have a defined ending, right from the start. Filling out the gaps along the way is fine (I doubt Punk Hazard was in Odas mind 15 years ago), but you need an endpoint so you know what to work towards.
Or failing that, at least know how the current arc is supposed to end!You know, this has me actualy considering adding FT to the Blog/creating a new sister blog specificaly dedicated to it.
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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he has at least ''defeat Zeref'' or something similar in mind and isn't totally clueless.
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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he has at least ''defeat Zeref'' or something similar in mind and isn't totally clueless.
Your will is strong, but clearly, you should just come over to the Dark Side already.
Though I have to admit I have crazy amount of respect for weekly mangaka, even the ones that aren't that great. Eating, breathing, and sleeping manga and keeping to hard deadlines every week takes great strength of character. How the good ones manage to come up with consistently exciting / thrilling / humorous / etc. stories with so little time to plot, plan and prepare is totally beyond me. Certainly, it's a talent I wish I had! I may not be a fan of Fairy Tail anymore but I've got to give Mashima's work ethic props, that's for damn sure.
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Your will is strong, but clearly, you should just come over to the Dark Side already.
Though I have to admit I have crazy amount of respect for weekly mangaka, even the ones that aren't that great. Eating, breathing, and sleeping manga and keeping to hard deadlines every week takes great strength of character. How the good ones manage to come up with consistently exciting / thrilling / humorous / etc. stories with so little time to plot, plan and prepare is totally beyond me. Certainly, it's a talent I wish I had! I may not be a fan of Fairy Tail anymore but I've got to give Mashima's work ethic props, that's for damn sure.
You know maybe if he didn't slave on this so much that he can release three chapters in one week with no break before or after, and actualy had a less insane work schedule and actualy spent some time thinking ahead instead, it would make the series better, to the point where a couple of breaks every now and then would not hurt, at all.
I mean, the fact he's doing this so fast seems to be one of the possible reasons his plots eventualy collapse in on themselves. The intended TOP ending and the bs with Ceith Shelter are just some of those which realy seem like he had them as immediate ideas and started going in that direction right away. But at least in the case of the fomer, he actualy realised that he'd One More Day every single chapter of his series up to that point.
Not sure if it's because his editors see it being popular and just force him to move forward at the speed of light without ever stopping to climb off of their giant water bed made of money to actualy read what he's submitting, or because he might have gotten creatively burned out with Rave, but clearly this attitude is a problem in a made-up-world fantasy plot "heavy" series which relies on "twists" as much as it does.
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Your will is strong, but clearly, you should just come over to the Dark Side already.
Well, as I've said many times in the past, Fairy Tail has never been a series that tried reaching for the stars and has never really taken itself all that seriously, so as a consequence it's never really jumped off the deep end like several of its peers have despite making a number of missteps over the years. I've always seen it as pulpy shonen that never will and doesn't want to stray out of its comfort zone so my expectations are adjusted accordingly. And it's also just how I am. I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to people before condemning them, and I feel that it's better to adopt a more laid-back attitude towards these kinds of things instead of obsessing over them and festering just beneath the surface. At this point, it's going to take either a great work sliding into the shitter or a perfect storm of bad to get me really riled up at a work of fiction anymore.
I've been a fan of comics ever since I was a little kid when I was introduced to Calvin and Hobbes and Tintin, so similar to what you said I have nothing but respect for the talent that serial artists have, even ones who don't fully apply themselves in all areas like Mashima does. As someone who dabbles in amateur writing myself, I can appreciate some of the struggles that they no doubt go through in putting together their worlds. Even if the world is small, it still takes effort to construct it, and seeing it coming to life is quite a rewarding sensation.
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More filler + More plot=longer arcs
that's all he's changed
Remove the filler from this arc and he'd probably struggle for it to be longer than the Tenrou island arc. -
FT isnt that bad imo. My #5 fav. It has flaws ( which every manga does) but it relies tooo much on PnJ. But wtf you should AT LEAST have an idea for the ending.
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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he has at least ''defeat Zeref'' or something similar in mind and isn't totally clueless.
knowing him it will be something along the lines of "Natsu and Zeref live happily ever after"
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Natsu will also marry Lucy probably :(. Btw didnt Natsu n Lisanna like eachother? But they barely talk now.
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@Money:
Natsu will also marry Lucy probably :(. Btw didnt Natsu n Lisanna like eachother? But they barely talk now.
In Rave, while being schmultzy, it still had stuff that lead into it. Here, not so much.
I mean Haru was no groundbreaking character or anything but I mentioned how he was a lot more human then Natsu alot in this thread and the one before it….but it's true !
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Fairy Tail is great, but Natsu never loses his fights against enemies..
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Fairy Tail is great, but Natsu never loses his fights against enemies..
which is one of the many reasons why it isn't great at all. More like mediocre to pretty low scale quality. FT is not the worst, but it is far from being great at all.
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which is one of the many reasons why it isn't great at all. More like mediocre to pretty low scale quality. FT is not the worst, but it is far from being great at all.
It has a lot of potential, and it could be a great series if the author take some notes from One Piece. I find FT entertaining though but it still needs work.
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Having the potential to be good is pretty useless when it's already over 300 chapters.
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Having the potential to be good is pretty useless when it's already over 300 chapters.
One Piece is at almost 700 chapters and only half done, in my opinion FT does have good potential..
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@Racce: I don't just see it as entertainment though. Part of my entire goal revolves around manga, it affects how I think about entertainment as a whole, spurs to me to achieve both parts of my goal (writing and studying) and for someone with an aesthetically inclined mind it is very important. I am a writer so I can't just take things as face value, I have to analyse the merits and features of everything I am into, in order to enhance my own story telling. That's partly why I am on AP , not only do I have the chance to discuss what is good about a series, but points at which the mangka could have done better.
The problem with Fairytail is that it hasn't acted on the potential it had and pandered to the lowest common denominator i.e. fanservice and whichever character is polling best at that time, regardless of if they should be used at that time. It's annoying as a writer to see exactly what could make an interesting story not being employed. The elements are there it's just Mashima hasn't used them well. I thought he did do this with Rave though.
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Having the potential to be good is pretty useless when it's already over 300 chapters.
This. One Piece already had Alabasta, Skypeia, Arlong, drumm, Little Garden, Jaya and several other amazing arcs by that time. What does Ft have except Gerard/Mystogan/Siegfried/Mashima-sensei selfinsert, NAKAM PUNCH and Lucy/Natsu/Erza/Gray bullshitting themselves through nearly every fight?
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That sounds great so far
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I dont hate Erza tho. Shes a better character than Natsu Lucy AND Gray. N remeber when Happy n Juvia were cool?
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I love the Fan-Service in FT.
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Who doesn't? Hiro can draw women LIKE A BOSS
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Wow really?!?
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I will not complain about that, because why would I ?
Except when it has to do with Wendy. By the way, those body pillows of hers should be fricken illegal -_-
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I wish Erza, Juvia and some other guild members were more important. It's the same problem as Naruto, really: The mission structure would easily allow a more talented mangaka to switch the main characters for each arc and give us insight into various places, subplots, etc.
But all we getis Team Natsu doing the same things over and over again.
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I love the Fan-Service in FT.
I just find it irritating. Especially since the rest is not that great. If I want stuff like that, I'll just read a ecchi or hentai manga. In this its just irritating and a constant reminder of how "commercial" this manga is and how it tries to compensate its overall lack of quality in its story, development and other areas with stuff like that.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/310/3
latest chapter is out. I don't think anyones gonna be surprised as to what happens…
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For blatant fanservice Kenichi already covers all my bases, so I could live with less in FT
As for the new chapter, horrible piece of shit, please move on.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/310/3
latest chapter is out. I don't think anyones gonna be surprised as to what happens…
but they're the strongest!!!!
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God, I just noticed how much of a poor man´s version of Luffy telling Caesar to go fuck himself this is. Plan sad.
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Wow so underwhelming it hurts.
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WHY
I thought Mashima used these idiots to stretch this arc and they finish them off in a single chapter?
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I actually expected these guys to be fodder, so this chapter comes as no surprise. Now we can move back to the main plot.
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Yeah es expected, one hit ko's. Completely underwhelming, felt like a filler that didn't do anything for the actual plot.
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Oh wow…Mashima didn't even try to pretend that this fight wasn't a waste of time. I mean geez, I think Fairy Tail is the only series I know that has FILLER characters in its own manga.
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I suppose this is for the best - I thought that Mashima would use these guys to drag the arc out by ten chapters or so. The only fight I wish was extended a bit was Mirajane's. As it is, she didn't even show any impressive-looking techniques - she just kicked the enemy. Seeing as we've already seen how Wendy improved, and Pantherlily seems to have generic sword-swings (seeing as his magic amounts to flying and changing into a humanoid form) which doesn't leave much room for development, I don't mind those being quickly finished.
I think the only purpose these fights served was a reason for Lucy and Yukino to get their keys back, but maybe these guys will wind up doing something later on.
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This fight as I see was a big con for that zeref obsessed white knight guy to gain fairy tail trust.
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Chapter was meh. Although I do find it ironic that Mirajane is supposedly stronger when she's alone in a manga where friendship and teamwork provide SUPER STRENGTHHHHH. Either way I still <3 her.
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It was for the best that that was over so quickly, but I still don't get what the point was unless either it was a big ploy on Arcadias's part or something. Well, it's over anyway, so that's something.
Loke didn't do a thing in the end, did he?
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Wow, it's kind of sad that I didn't register this as a "full team KO chapter" until two fights after Lucy. It really didn't feel like Lucy was about to win when the scene left her. It "helps" that Lucy did none of the fighting, and that Aquarius is such an inconsistently overpowered and selfish bitch. I'd equally expect her to throw salt in Lucy's wounds when the scene returned to her. It's not even funny anymore.
I did like Mirajane's sweet ass kick, however. Also, didn't it seem like Natsu got the weakest enemy?
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As always good designs wasted.
Loke didn't do a thing in the end, did he?
He appeared in the cover :ninja:
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That was quick but kinda cool.
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To be honest, and I 'hate' to say this cause I'm always critical about Fairy Tail chapters recently….
...I kinda liked this chapter.Plot Armour aside.... it does kinda show the improvements of the other characters a bit more finally.. lol.
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I actually liked Pisces being a mother son combo instead of the usual twins. Nice little twist.
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My only gripes with this chapter was that we never really got a glimpse of Natsu's opponents ability. I mean what does he do? Is he just a guy with two axes? Last chapter or the one before we got glimpses of the other guy's powers, but I don't recall this guy doing anything. Other gripe was no Mirajane fight really. I mean the other four down here we got to see their powers improve over the 7 years. Mirajane we saw only coverpage skills improve and then same as this chapter a OHKO by basically punching the opponent once. Give me some Mirajane domination like in the fairy festival against Freed.
Otherwise, back to the story and the main event. These randoms thrown in had no reason to waste chapters by dragged out fights. Seems like they will just be a plot device for the fairy tail guys to get directions out of this labryinth.
Not sure why you thought this would take 10 chapters anyway. When has a fairy tail fight taken more than a chapter? At most I was expecting 5 chapters, 1 per fight.
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Yeah, this was pretty shite. Most of these were throwaway designs or just minor changes from ones in Rave (at least one). Fish Guy was the only one I wanted to see more of anyway.
In adition, the whole "going against the Kingdom, against the world" line is giving me pause, as I'm forced to remember the same scene taking place in OP during EL (and before you say anything, I am not saying Hiro copied it per se, just that he's using a similar tropes, so I will be making several comparissons to the EL arc). But there it was the begining of the second half of the arc, which was pretty much nothing but constant fighting through impossible odds till that point, and the individual fights were yet to come. It felt like it had alot of weight to it.
Here, they spend the whole chapter on swift, non-contended takedowns, defeat all of their opponets at once after only one chapter of actual fighting. Again, I like you to imagine the CP9 being defeated in this way and how underwhelming that would be.
Also, armour-guy's words are pretty stupid. When Spandam said the same thing, they had technicaly arranged the SH's to leave W7 unharmed in exchange for Robin. No one forced them to come to Enies Lobby directly. Here, all of them were to face an extrajudicial execution without appeal on the whim of a princess, for the crime of "theft" which actualy amounted to aiding jailbreak of another person sent to jail without court order or due process. What other choice do they have, bow their heads and humbly allow themselves to be killed ?
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Stupid. .
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Yeah, this was pretty shite. Most of these were throwaway designs or just minor changes from ones in Rave (at least one). Fish Guy was the only one I wanted to see more of anyway.
In adition, the whole "going against the Kingdom, against the world" line is giving me pause, as I'm forced to remember the same scene taking place in OP during EL (and before you say anything, I am not saying Hiro copied it per se, just that he's using a similar tropes, so I will be making several comparissons to the EL arc). But there it was the begining of the second half of the arc, which was pretty much nothing but constant fighting through impossible odds till that point, and the individual fights were yet to come. It felt like it had alot of weight to it.
Here, they spend the whole chapter on swift, non-contended takedowns, defeat all of their opponets at once after only one chapter of actual fighting. Again, I like you to imagine the CP9 being defeated in this way and how underwhelming that would be.
Also, armour-guy's words are pretty stupid. When Spandam said the same thing, they had technicaly arranged the SH's to leave W7 unharmed in exchange for Robin. No one forced them to come to Enies Lobby directly. Here, all of them were to face an extrajudicial execution without appeal on the whim of a princess, for the crime of "theft" which actualy amounted to aiding jailbreak of another person sent to jail without court order or due process. What other choice do they have, bow their heads and humbly allow themselves to be killed ?
FYI, Natsu's little speech happened on their finishing moves against these guys. The Enies Lobby speech happened before they started fighting at all.
These guys were essentially if you want to compare the two, the equivalent of the flag being burnt. They are not CP9, they are the flag.
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The chapter was better than usual in that it actually had one of the few redeeming features of the series: a Zodiac.