But how does hardness make that happen?
General 'Haki' Discussion
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But how does hardness make that happen?
It's just filled with "energy" more or less. And when the projectile collides with something imagine that energy being released causing a little explosion. Kind of like a man in real life who knows how to release explosive chi energy. The hit can rupture organs, literally explode them. I'm dead serious.
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But how does hardness make that happen?
He just hardened the bamboo to keep it from exploding on his face, not to cause an explosion. The explosion is just the result of Vergo's raw power, which a non-hardened bamboo would have been unable to endure.
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It doesn't happen all the time, just in this particular case, god wanted the projectile to explode.
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I made this chart attempting to categorize the various functions of Armament Haki that we've seen so far. Feedback would be appreciated:
"Armor"
The most basic function. Like an invisible armor, you "clad" yourself in it. When first unlocking CoA, this is what will become available. All subsequent usages are manipulating the armor in some way or another. Being invisible to its nature, it usually can't be "seen" but one can infer when it's being used through the fact that the armor has the quality of being able to interact with Devil Fruit powers in ways that non-Haki objects simply can't. And as common sense dictates, as a punch with a gauntlet instead of a bare fist, cladding yourself in armor will make your attacks more damaging.Examples:
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v65/c652/12.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v65/c662/5.html"Hardening"
A technique where instead of cladding a limb or an object with Haki you reinforce it with the same armor from the inside and out, which has the effect of hardening it entirely. This makes the object itself tougher, harder and more resistant, rather than just shielded. Like a solid metal bat compared to a wooden bat clad in a small layer of metal, it does more damage when used in conjunction with offensive attacks.Examples:
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v62/c605/11.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v65/c672/5.html"Shield"
Forming your armor into a large, solid shield primarily used for defensive purposes. This is usually done by channeling Haki through your hands in an open-palm stance, possibly because it's easiest that way due to hands and arms being most people's primary tools for combat. This technique can be identified by, as mentioned, the open-palm stance, but another characteristic also appears to be that the shield created can be of great size and thus create a large physical distance between the user and the attacker, giving the illusion of hitting thin air. This can be contrasted with when Hardening is used to defend with a body part, where direct contact is made. It appears that stronger users can create larger and, of course, tougher shields.Examples:
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v52/c511/13.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v61/c597/12.htmlhttp://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v58/c564/9.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v58/c564/10.htmlI would devide it a little different.
The CoA we know till know:
Tekkai: May stops the movement of the area, but is a strong amor.
Is invisible and deflects the attacks.
Can direct the attack back to the attacker.
Can be used as a shield or be infused in weaponsArmament: Hardens an object, but the attacker can still move freely
Can also be infused in objectsFire: Jiable Jambe for excample. Is an really offensiv armor.
Sanji easiely kicked through Jaburas Tekkai with it.
Also used in Luffys red hawkDepending on the person everybody will have his favorites.
The colors would also match with the swords we have seen till now.black swords are made for the black haki
metal swords for tekkai
and red swords (like the one from Shiryuu) are for the fire version of haki -
Those aren't haki.
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I would devide it a little different.
The CoA we know till know:
Tekkai: May stops the movement of the area, but is a strong amor.
Is invisible and deflects the attacks.
Can direct the attack back to the attacker.
Can be used as a shield or be infused in weaponsArmament: Hardens an object, but the attacker can still move freely
Can also be infused in objectsFire: Jiable Jambe for excample. Is an really offensiv armor.
Sanji easiely kicked through Jaburas Tekkai with it.
Also used in Luffys red hawkDepending on the person everybody will have his favorites.
The colors would also match with the swords we have seen till now.black swords are made for the black haki
metal swords for tekkai
and red swords (like the one from Shiryuu) are for the fire version of haki -
CoA = +Con_mod +Cha_mod Armor AC bonus, damage, CMB, and CMD
CoO = +Wis_mod +Cha_mod Dodge AC bonus and Attack bonus
CoC = +Cha_mod +Intimidate Non-lethal damage (yes, it's the full Intimidate check and Cha modifier on top)I implemented this into a One-Piece Pathfinder homebrew :3
Haki bonuses should not stack onto armor bonuses of the same type, and cannot exceed the total dodge AC limit for each armor type.
Level 11 character level requirement. Each Haki type is a feat.For people who do not play tabletop RPG's, ignore this post. It will not make sense.
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CoA = +Con_mod +Cha_mod Armor AC bonus, damage, CMB, and CMD
CoO = +Wis_mod +Cha_mod Dodge AC bonus and Attack bonus
CoC = +Cha_mod +Intimidate Non-lethal damage (yes, it's the full Intimidate check and Cha modifier on top)I implemented this into a One-Piece Pathfinder homebrew :3
Haki bonuses should not stack onto armor bonuses of the same type, and cannot exceed the total dodge AC limit for each armor type.
Level 11 character level requirement. Each Haki type is a feat.For people who do not play tabletop RPG's, ignore this post. It will not make sense.
You're right, this would be interesting if anyone understood it. Unfortunately I don't think anyone (myself included) knows what your talking about.
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@Foxy:
You're right, this would be interesting if anyone understood it. Unfortunately I don't think anyone (myself included) knows what your talking about.
LOL, there was a time when the nerdiest of nerds all knew what D&D was about. And from D&D, sprung forth a variety of D20 gaming systems, many of them formerly homebrews that became widespread.
You are not nerdy enough.
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LOL, there was a time when the nerdiest of nerds all knew what D&D was about. And from D&D, sprung forth a variety of D20 gaming systems, many of them formerly homebrews that became widespread.
You are not nerdy enough.
LOL, I barely know what you're talking about, but D&D is Dungeons & Dragons, right?
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@Foxy:
LOL, I barely know what you're talking about, but D&D is Dungeons & Dragons, right?
At first I thought he was referring to Dolfamingo. I was trying to fit Dofla into the equation of his post. I was getting confused. Shame on me
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At first I thought he was referring to Dolfamingo. I was trying to fit Dofla into the equation of his post. I was getting confused. Shame on me
Infinite facepalms is not enough to satisfy the required facepalm value for this statement.
Really, do I have to drink a 12-pack to generate the adequate cognitive ability to empathize with this forum?
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You're being dismissive and rude and nobody found your response funny.
But he does bring up a good point that there appears to be a COA variation that involves igniting oneself.
It happens when Luffy uses Red Hawk, when Sanji uses Diable Jambe, and when Kinemon uses Fox Fire. Since there's already Color of Arms: Hardening, we can also assume there's a Color of Arms: Igniting.
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@Foxy:
You're being dismissive and rude and nobody found your response funny.
1. The post was utterly ridiculous, especially the part about black swords being made for black haki and metal swords being made for tekkai.
2. I wasn't trying to be funny.But he does bring up a good point that there appears to be a COA variation that involves igniting oneself.
It happens when Luffy uses Red Hawk, when Sanji uses Diable Jambe, and when Kinemon uses Fox Fire. Since there's already Color of Arms: Hardening, we can also assume there's a Color of Arms: Igniting.
You can't assume that a Color of Arms: Igniting exists, when we've only seen two haki users who use fire/combustion under different circumstances.
Luffy can only ignite his arm while using both Gear 2nd and Armament, Sanji can ignite himself at will whenever he pleases.
We also have no idea if Kinemon can use haki or not.Pearl, Hannyabal, and Chess could ignite their weapons. Does that mean they can use haki, too?
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You can't assume that a Color of Arms: Igniting exists, when we've only seen two haki users who use fire/combustion under different circumstances.
Luffy can only ignite his arm while using both Gear 2nd and Armament, Sanji can ignite himself at will whenever he pleases.
We also have no idea if Kinemon can use haki or not.Pearl, Hannyabal, and Chess could ignite their weapons. Does that mean they can use haki, too?
Pearl, Hannyabal, and Chess don't have haki. The only reason I use Kinemon as an example is because he is a powerful warrior from Wano.
And you can't say their isn't anything unusual about people emitting flames from their body. That would make absolutely no sense if wasn't an ability like Haki. Who would have guessed that Haki allows people to harden their bodies like iron? There's nothing crazy about a Color of Arms: Igniting. It is more than likely that Red Hawk and Diable Jambe are using a fire-producing variation of CoA.
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@Foxy:
Pearl, Hannyabal, and Chess don't have haki. The only reason I use Kinemon as an example is because he is a powerful warrior from Wano.
But just because he's a warrior of the Wano Country doesn't necessarily mean he's experienced in using haki.
Back when his legs were stuck on the dragon's back, he made a statement about sensing auras. This could be a clue that he might be knowledgeable in CoO, but it's not an upfront confirmation.And you can't say their isn't anything unusual about people emitting flames from their body. That would make absolutely no sense if wasn't an ability like Haki.
I never said that. There's a lot of weird things that happen in this series that's not directly connected to haki.
It could always be some type of intense friction or something else.There's nothing crazy about a Color of Arms: Igniting. It is more than likely that Red Hawk and Diable Jambe are using a fire-producing variation of CoA.
Except that it would be pretty cliche and it would quickly get dull seeing a bunch of people using fire-based attacks and techniques.
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Except that it would be pretty cliche and it would quickly get dull seeing a bunch of people using fire-based attacks and techniques.
Not everyone has to use this supposed variation.
As Rayleigh said, most people pick a specific type of Haki that they are most comfortable with. In Skypiea they use CoO, the Kuja's like to use CoA, Sentomaru uses CoA, Vergo uses CoA Hardening, Luffy and Rayleigh like to use all types etc.
So as long as only a few people use it, it won't be that redundant.
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Didn't Diable Jambe come before our "official" introduction to haki in the series? Similar to Ashura, I just can't picture Oda displaying Sanji & Zoro utilizing haki based techniques so early, and not make a big deal out of it. Just seems… odd. Now, assuming that Diable Jambe was originally just friction (which in OP logic isn't that crazy.... as previously mentioned Pearl did pretty much the same thing) and he's UPGRADED it with haki, so he doesn't need friction, I'd go with that.
Also... I'm still pretty certain we won't end up having this whole COA category thing. I feel like it's all just hardening, utilized in a different way. Otherwise, it kind of makes Devil Fruits seem... arbitrary.
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Didn't Diable Jambe come before our "official" introduction to haki in the series? Similar to Ashura, I just can't picture Oda displaying Sanji & Zoro utilizing haki based techniques so early, and not make a big deal out of it. Just seems… odd. Now, assuming that Diable Jambe was originally just friction (which in OP logic isn't that crazy.... as previously mentioned Pearl did pretty much the same thing) and he's UPGRADED it with haki, so he doesn't need friction, I'd go with that.
Also... I'm still pretty certain we won't end up having this whole COA category thing. I feel like it's all just hardening, utilized in a different way. Otherwise, it kind of makes Devil Fruits seem... arbitrary.
It doesn't matter, Shanks used CoC in one of the first chapters, we saw CoO all over Skypiea etc.
It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for this to be a variation of CoA that was introduced a while ago. And how does it make Devil Fruits arbitrary?
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CoA = +Con_mod +Cha_mod Armor AC bonus, damage, CMB, and CMD
CoO = +Wis_mod +Cha_mod Dodge AC bonus and Attack bonus
CoC = +Cha_mod +Intimidate Non-lethal damage (yes, it's the full Intimidate check and Cha modifier on top)I implemented this into a One-Piece Pathfinder homebrew :3
Haki bonuses should not stack onto armor bonuses of the same type, and cannot exceed the total dodge AC limit for each armor type.
Level 11 character level requirement. Each Haki type is a feat.For people who do not play tabletop RPG's, ignore this post. It will not make sense.
you just made an awesome joke,and no one got it.
to others,he's basically saying one piece is being mistaken for an RPG.haki isn't that complicated and idiotic.
i mean,you are saying sanji unknowingly used haki at water7,which took luffy,and probably zoro 2 years to learn.and many people in paradise could use it.and i don't even want to mention the "swords".
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you just made an awesome joke,and no one got it.
[qimg]http://cdn2.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1243/sad-i-know-that-feel-bro_3969556.jpg[/qimg]to others,he's basically saying one piece is being mistaken for an RPG.haki isn't that complicated and idiotic.
i mean,you are saying sanji unknowingly used haki at water7,which took luffy,and probably zoro 2 years to learn.and many people in paradise could use it.and i don't even want to mention the "swords".
What is so unbelievable about that? Everyone has strong points and this type of CoA could be Sanji's strong point. Do you think the first person in One Piece to use Haki was taught by someone else? Obviously not, they learned it subconsciously. Haki has to do with willpower as Rayleigh said and everyone experiences it differently.
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@Foxy:
What is so unbelievable about that? Everyone has strong points and this type of CoA could be Sanji's strong point. Do you think the first person in One Piece to use Haki was taught by someone else? Obviously not, they learned it subconsciously. Haki has to do with willpower as Rayleigh said and everyone experiences it differently.
if sanji learned haki without being taught,why didn't the others use it?it's not that "everyone has strong points",every strong person should theoretically be able to use haki.it's not a unique ability or combat style,it's willpower and is present in every human being.it's basic combat ability,both of mind and spirit.i wouldn't say sanji is much stronger than luffy or zoro in basic combat strength.hence,if he was able to use haki,so should they have been.
and i don't know if you are trolling ,while saying "everyone experiences it differently".no,they don't.there are only 2 forms of haki generally-coa which is associated with the physical part of battle,and coo which is associated with mental sensitivity to life form.we don't know the origin of haki to.so don't assume "someone learned it subconsciously".
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if sanji learned haki without being taught,why didn't the others use it?it's not that "everyone has strong points",every strong person should theoretically be able to use haki.it's not a unique ability or combat style,it's willpower and is present in every human being.it's basic combat ability,both of mind and spirit.i wouldn't say sanji is much stronger than luffy or zoro in basic combat strength.hence,if he was able to use haki,so should they have been.
Wrong. Weaker characters have been shown to possess Haki. Aisa and Coby both awakened CoO subconsciously, and the Kuja warriors in Amazon Lily can use CoA. It is possible to awaken/use Haki no matter who you are. If Sanji could teach himself Geppo, then he can certainly awaken Haki. I win this argument.
and i don't know if you are trolling ,while saying "everyone experiences it differently".
I wasn't trolling, I was stating a fact. But seriously how is that trolling? I win this argument.
no,they don't.there are only 2 forms of haki generally-coa which is associated with the physical part of battle,and coo which is associated with mental sensitivity to life form.we don't know the origin of haki to.so don't assume "someone learned it subconsciously".
Rayleigh said that Haki is a "sense" meaning its been in One Piece humans for their whole existance. And your disregarding facts again when characters have clearly awakened Haki subconsciously. I win this argument.
That's 3-0 for me. The scoreboard doesn't lie, my friend, so next time don't call someone a troll just because you don't agree with them.
Peace.
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@Foxy:
Wrong. Weaker characters have been shown to possess Haki. Aisa and Coby both awakened CoO subconsciously, and the Kuja warriors in Amazon Lily can use CoA. It is possible to awaken/use Haki no matter who you are. If Sanji could teach himself Geppo, then he can certainly awaken Haki. I win this argument.
aisa and coby had awakened coo.we were talking about coa.also,kuja warriors and coby are by no means weak characters.but moving on,aisa had an affinity to coo from her birth.since sanji has shown no affinity to either coa or coo,i don't think they should be compared.coming to coby,he awakened coo,but didn't learn to proficiently use it.there's a lot of difference those 2 things.also,there is no case of someone awakening coa,or just subconscoiusly using it.kuja pirates didn't use it subconsciously,they learned it.it's part of their culture.since they are all warriors from birth,i think it is right to assume that they all have been learning haki since a long time.
I wasn't trolling, I was stating a fact. But seriously how is that trolling? I win this argument.
Rayleigh said that Haki is a "sense" meaning its been in One Piece humans for their whole existance. And your disregarding facts again when characters have clearly awakened Haki subconsciously. I win this argument.
you completely ignored my point which you quoted.there aren't many different forms of haki,including coa.there isn't "tekkai armament",or"fire armament".there's just armament or hardening(which is just a derivative of armament,but localised and stronger).you could use coa to make fire,but anyone can do that.you just have to refine your technique.and that surely takes time and practise.even assuming he knew haki (and was the apparently the strongest person among the crew),he couldn't be that proficient in it.
That's 3-0 for me. The scoreboard doesn't lie, my friend, so next time don't call someone a troll just because you don't agree with them.
Peace.
i didn't call you a troll. i wondered if you were serious about a single statement.
and i don't care about a hypothetical scoreboard,which apparently you manage.i want to discuss OP maturely.if you still don't agree with me,well frankly i don't care. -
i want to discuss OP maturely.if you still don't agree with me,well frankly i don't care.
I agree about having a good discussion, but don't call my posts immature when you're using the grammar skills of a fifth grader.
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@Foxy:
I agree about having a good discussion, but don't call my posts immature when you're using the grammar skills of a fifth grader.
if you agree,then at least try to give some response on my points.well,like i said,if you don't agree about the haki argument,fine.but at least counter my argument,so i could consider you are right.
edit:and when did i call you post immature?
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I think feeling the breath of "all things" and hearing the voice of "all things" are forms of CoO. So everything has a presence that can be sensed. Zoro says during his fight with Mr. 1 that he "felt the presence of the rocks as if they were living things". And feeling the breath of steel allowed him to cut it. Hearing the voice is probably the highest level of CoO, since no-one but Roger is known to be able to do it.
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I've always imagined Zoro's "breath of all things" technique used to cut steel was kind of like finding the resonant frequency of the object you choose to cut, rather than using brute force, and that it is a swordsmanship philosophy unrelated to CoO.
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I think feeling the breath of "all things" and hearing the voice of "all things" are forms of CoO. So everything has a presence that can be sensed. Zoro says during his fight with Mr. 1 that he "felt the presence of the rocks as if they were living things". And feeling the breath of steel allowed him to cut it. Hearing the voice is probably the highest level of CoO, since no-one but Roger is known to be able to do it.
That would kind of make the other haki redundant would it not? One of the 3 hakis is used for defense and to be able to hit/cause greater damage, but the other one can do it as well?
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That would kind of make the other haki redundant would it not? One of the 3 hakis is used for defense and to be able to hit/cause greater damage, but the other one can do it as well?
Well, that's what Zoro said. Of course we don't know if "feeling the breath of all things" is CoO. But it seems like that to me, since he compared it to feeling the presence of living things.
Also, it doesn't really cause greater damage. It allowed him to cut steel, but I don't think it made his slash any stronger (doesn't make sense, I know). Zoro could also "not cut" some leaves, so I guess it let's him choose what to cut. When he can feel the breath of diamond, he can cut it.
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I think feeling the breath of "all things" and hearing the voice of "all things" are forms of CoO. So everything has a presence that can be sensed. Zoro says during his fight with Mr. 1 that he "felt the presence of the rocks as if they were living things". And feeling the breath of steel allowed him to cut it. Hearing the voice is probably the highest level of CoO, since no-one but Roger is known to be able to do it.
"Breath of all things" would be CoA not CoO if it's related to haki. Since it allows you to bypass DF users protection and allows you to cut them. "Voice of all things" though would fall under CoO. Luffy kinda showed he has the ability as well when he was able to "hear" the Sea Kings when he was destroying the Noah. We even got a flashback where it showed Roger hearing something when he was going to FI right after that part.
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"Breath of all things" would be CoA not CoO if it's related to haki. Since it allows you to bypass DF users protection and allows you to cut them. "Voice of all things" though would fall under CoO. Luffy kinda showed he has the ability as well when he was able to "hear" the Sea Kings when he was destroying the Noah. We even got a flashback where it showed Roger hearing something when he was going to FI right after that part.
It doesn't allow you to bypass DF protection. Feeling the breath of steel allowed Zoro to cut it. Mr. 1 is not a logia so he can't reform if damaged. If he was a logia, it wouldn't matter if Zoro could cut him, he'd simply regenerate.
And like I said, Zoro compared "feeling the breath of things" to "sensing them as if they were living things".
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CoA allows you to bypass DF protection. What do you think Sentomaru did to Luffy when he hit him with haki and Luffy was crying that it hurt and his rubber DF natural defenses didn't kick in. Luffy as an innate DF ability were he has a natural rubber defense to blunt attacks while sharp attacks affect him like normal. CoA affects paramecia users as well. It's of course more beneficial to Logias since you can't him them at all unless you know their weakness. How that would apply to Mr. 1, who is a paramecia, is that CoA or "breath of all things" allowed Zoro to bypass Mr. 1 steel body and attack his natural body.
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CoA allows you to bypass DF protection. What do you think Sentomaru did to Luffy when he hit him with haki and Luffy was crying that it hurt and his rubber DF natural defenses didn't kick in. Luffy as an innate DF ability were he has a natrual rubber defense to blunt attacks while sharp attacks affect him like normal. CoA affects paramecia users as well. It's of course more beneficial to Logias since you can't him them at all unless you know their weakness. How that would apply to Mr. 1 ,who is a paramecia, is that CoA or "breath of all things" allowed Zoro to bypass Mr. 1 steel body and attack his natural body.
I know what CoA does, I was explaining why "feeling the breath of things" is NOT CoA.
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@Foxy:
Worst Thread of 2013?
Do you have a problem with something? Go ahead and explain then.
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Here's an example of Luffy commenting on him being hit by one of the Boa Sisters. CoA allows you to bypass DF protection.
FYI, Luffy (Rubber) is a paramecia just like Mr. 1 (Steel).
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v53/c519/9.html
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Here's an example of Luffy commenting on him being hit by one of the Boa Sisters. CoA allows you to bypass DF protection.
FYI, Luffy (Rubber) is a paramecia just like Mr. 1 (Steel).
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v53/c519/9.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v53/c519/10.htmlAgain, I know what CoA does. It doesn't nullify fruit powers. Maybe it could bypass Mr. 1's steel body, I dunno. But as I was saying, "feeling the breath of things" is not CoA.
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Yeah, it's obvious you don't understand what I'm talking about. I never said it nullifies DF powers. CoA lets you bypass DF body protections which applies to paramecia and logias.
If a haki user used CoA on Mr. 1 it would've bypassed his steel body. It's not that hard to understand. You don't know what "breath of all things" is so you can't say it is or isn't CoA. But this wouldn't be the first time that something was called something else and was actually haki. "Mantra" is CoO just under a different name. It's possible Oda is using the same concept as Mantra and applying it to the breath/voice of all things.
We know from the Sea Kings part that Luffy has something similar to the voice of all things that Roger had. Oda even had a mini flashback right after showing the parallels with Roger hearing the same thing. So unless Luffy has some new ability that Roger happen to have, it's some "will of D" trait, or it could just be a more higher level application of haki that we don't know about yet. But then if you agree with the latter that the voice "of all things" is a haki ability then why wouldn't the breath "of all things" be a haki ability as well. Of course now that I think about more, it sounds more like an actual hybrid application. CoO is where you feel the presence. The actual cutting is CoA.
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Yeah, it's obvious you don't understand what I'm talking about. I never said it nullifies DF powers. CoA lets you bypass DF body protections which applies to paramecia and logias.
If a haki user used CoA on Mr. 1 it would've bypassed his steel body. It's not that hard to understand.
Not necessarily. But I won't get into that now.
@Phoenix:You don't know what "breath of all things" is so you can't say it is or isn't CoA. But this wouldn't be the first time that something was called something else and was actually haki. "Mantra" is CoO just under a different name. It's possible Oda is using the same concept as Mantra and applying it to the breath/voice of all things.
But Zoro described as sensing the presence. CoA = armor. Sensing the presence of something = CoO, which is what I think it is.
We know from the Sea Kings part that Luffy has something similar to the voice of all things that Roger had. Oda even had a mini flashback right after showing the parallels with Roger hearing the same thing. So unless Luffy has some new ability that Roger happen to have, it's some "will of D" trait, or it could just be a more higher level application of haki that we don't know about yet. But then if you agree with the latter that the voice "of all things" is a haki ability then why wouldn't the breath "of all things" be a haki ability as well. Of course it sounds more like an actual hybrid application. CoO is where you feel the presence. The actual cutting is CoA.
But I do agree it's Haki, just not CoA but CoO.
And this isn't just about DF users. Zoro can steel even if it isn't Mr. 1 DF. CoA was never said to bypass anything but DF fruit powers.
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Not necessarily. But I won't get into that now.
But Zoro described as sensing the presence. CoA = armor. Sensing the presence of something = CoO, which is what I think it is.
But I do agree it's Haki, just not CoA but CoO.
And this isn't just about DF users. Zoro can steel even if it isn't Mr. 1 DF. CoA was never said to bypass anything but DF fruit powers.
coa does bypass DF powers it only cant do it if the other person has coa too as we have seen many times with logia and paramicia types haki is a easy way to deal with them if they dont have haki.
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coa does bypass DF powers it only cant do it if the other person has coa too as we have seen many times with logia and paramicia types haki is a easy way to deal with them if they dont have haki.
Yes, but we don't exactly how it works. We do know that it doesn't nullify fruit powers. Rayleigh explained that you can use it to hit fluid logias solidly. Luffy also gets hurt by CoA attacks. So Mr. 1 = steel. Mr. 1 + CoA = still steel. Imagine there is a rock logia. He can reform if he's damaged. Unless you use CoA, in which case the damage you do to him won't heal. But he's still rock. If you punch him, you'll punch a rock. Unless you have enough strenght to break rock, you can't hurt him.
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Mr. 1 is a paramecia not a logia. So why you keep bringing up logia is moot point.
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Mr. 1 is a paramecia not a logia. So why you keep bringing up logia is moot point.
Doesn't change the fact that:
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Nope, You still aint understanding how CoA works.
You punch Luffy = You punch Rubber
You CoA punch Luffy = You punch his real body.
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Nope, You still aint understanding how CoA works.You punch Luffy = You punch RubberYou CoA punch Luffy = You punch his real body.It would be the same with Mr.1
It's not really explained what effect it has on paramecias. If you CoA punch Luffy does his rubber body get damaged too? Or does he just feels some kind of "inner pain"? Logias I understand. You punch them, it damages their real body. And they can't stay in elemental from all the time. When they turn back, they have those wounds. But Luffy always stays as rubber. It shouldn't bother him if his "real body" gets damaged.
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Some paramecia have innate DF defense since it changes their body type. For Mr. 1, he becomes a steel man and has steel defence properties. For Luffy he has DF rubber defense to blunt trauma. CoA bypasses his rubber defense. So it feels like a regular punch. Or basically you hit their regular body (pre devil fruit body) aka "real" body . Luffy is still a rubber man. He doesn't change back to a normal person if hit with a CoA punch. It's basically the same concept as a when you hit a logia but it's a bigger deal with logias since they're basically entirely immune to physical damage unless you know their weakness.
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Some paramecia have innate DF defense since it changes their body type. For Mr. 1, he becomes a steel man and has steel defence properties. For Luffy he has DF rubber defense to blunt trauma. CoA bypasses his rubber defense. So it feels like a regular punch. Or basically you hit their regular body (pre devil fruit body) aka "real" body . Luffy is still a rubber man. He doesn't change back to a normal person if hit with a CoA punch. It's basically the same concept as a when you hit a logia but it's a bigger deal with logias since they're basically entirely immune to physical damage unless you know their weakness.
Yeah, I get it. But I asked if his rubber body gets damaged too or if he just feels some "inner pain"? Because it shouldn't be damaged. So, basically if you cut Mr. 1 with CoA he feels pain but his steel body is okay? Only his "real body" beneath gets damaged?
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Well it should show on the outside. Since you are hitting the "real" body. If you cut Mr. 1 with CoA it'll appear as a real cut. It basically goes down to what Oda whats to show as far as damage goes. For Luffy, he normally has him coughing up blood.