@RobbyBevard:
Guts was born to die…................................................................................................
….aren't we all?
Heh, I couldnt resist. The rest of your post is pretty much answered just below it, since another person posted quite the same point as yours some posts before.
@AlucarDraculA:
I think that Khon is getting a lot of flack for agreeing with Griffith's decision to sacrifice the Hawks. But I think he is just giving his interpretation of Griffith's reasoning as to why he did the deed. He even said that he wholeheartedly disagreed with Grif's decision.
Thanks for trying to defend me, but… eh, I never said that... did I?
As for what I personally would do... who knows? Although I cant deny that changing from paralitic to Godlike for a few lives is quite a sweet deal no matter how you look at it.
@dpara:
I just had to to doublecheck if I remembered it right;
http://mangafox.me/manga/berserk/c178/10.html
Griffith regrets nothing, unless there is some subtlety lost/introduced in translation, curse the "…" .
Is that post directed towards me…? I never said he felt regret. Read my reply again. I said that, in my interpretation, all his actions in that graveyard speak of a certain sadness about what had to be done, and simulates a try to make some sort of amends (which clearly failed, but still...)
Of course, he's too prideful to say anything clearly, but his actions never seemed anything close to aggressive or his intentions ill at all. He seemed "happy" that his dream was about to come true, and (imo) a bit sad that all his band had to die so that it could happen. Sadness does not equal regret. If given the choice, he would do it all over again. But still he wouldnt feel good about it. In his eyes, it was a necessity, a life-or-death decision. For him, failing to pursue his dream equals death. So it was almost "self-defense" - it was either his life, or their lives. Obviously he chose himself. Nevertheless, it kind of saddens him. But he moved on, and his presence there seems to imply a "last goodbye to all my previous companions". That is the light in which I see that chapter. Feel free to disagree.
@Aaronrules380:
To my knowledge, most actual historians now consider the whole Great Man theory of history as obsolete. It's easy to lump accomplishments and such on the guy in charge, but the fact is that social, environmental, and other conditions are bigger factors in shaping history than one leader. Not to mention pretty much no leaders have made all the decisions without any help or advice from others. It extends to all sorts of histories too. The fact is there are tons of people in the world, and if one guy isn't there to do something, someone else will be. WWII spring forth from Hitler's skills and charisma, it came about because the conditions in Germany after WWI fostered a sense of desperation and made people receptive to the type of messages Hitler gave. The holocaust didn't happen just because Hitler said it should and would never have occured if not for all the anti-semitism that already permeated European society. I'm not saying history would be exactly the same if some of the geniuses and great men weren't there, but it would likely be very similar. Another example is that people always praise Darwin for his work on evolution, but had Darwin not been there, there were already tons of other scientists who were working on the exact same issue and some of whom were probably close to stumbling on the same solution. Not to mention even Darwin didn't get it completely right and had issues that were only able to be resolved once paired with the works of others like Mendel
I never said that social, environmental and "other" conditions werent factors. I just said that the "mass" cannot ever be the "main force" behind the facts of history. Yes, there's this theory about the "progression towards something" in mankind, but that's just the stage. There were MANY other ways that History could have played out, and not all of them led to the WW2. That, of course, depended mainly on how "Great" or "Strong" some few individuals were or werent (since the weak ones paved the way for the stronger to subdue them).
And I never said that there were only one or two truly important men. Hitler had some very Great advisors behind him. Darwin, Mendel and other scientists that came close to the path of evolution all had the seed of Greatness inside them. Im not simplifying story to the acts of a few great men. However you cant as well call it the effect of the "masses", because it wasnt.
Let's draw more clearly what Im saying here:
- I dont defend that story is shaped by few few great men, like a "Monarchy", but rather some "monarchs" (hitler, darwin, martin L. king) surrounded by some "Aristocracy" of Great men. THOSE are the ones that shape History. Never a "Democracy" of great men, never the "masses". Of course, they play their "part" in the scheme of things. They have their culture, their preferences, their scars, their view on other people. But those can be manipulated, distorted and led on very different paths, depending on the "Monarchs + Aristocracy" in charge.
Feel free to disagree.
@dpara:
I don't really like that, since impact is a relative measure, ie many must have less impact for one to have more which I consider a relatively bad tendency eg. power/rights/opportunity (if regarded in a monetary sense). I admire those that want to better their fate but I do not think that it has to be done at the cost of others.
Shortened I don't really desire a world that moves toward opportunities for greater greatness^^, because it necessitates greater inequality.
mmh hard to say I feel that my language is not expressive enough; I don't hate great dreams just don't make them crush the dreams of others.. that sounds right.
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Inequality is unavoidable. Men arent equal, so they shouldnt be treated as equals. They dont think, feel or act equally, so why should we treat them so?
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Sorry, but life isnt fair as we desire it to be. As a matter of fact, your dream (if you happen to ever have one), no matter how great or small, WILL crush other people dreams' some way or another, with or without you knowing so. Even if you dont want it to, it will stand in the way of other people that desire the same things. Therefore, the only way to not "crush the dreams of others" is to not have dreams, OR not act upon your dream. It's like you walking among the jungle worried if you're stepping on some ant or living thing. Simply can't do.
An interesting example is One Piece. Luffy's dream crushed the dream of many others, and will do even more so. How many Pirate Kings can there be? It's simply unavoidable. Who will suceed? Sometimes the strongest (best), sometimes the luckiest, sometimes even the cheating one. This is life. If you enter the sea, you can not expect not to wet yourself. Likewise, if you play a game, you can either win or lose. There's no in-between. For every one that wins, several lose, one way or another. Trying to not hurt or harming others is impossible in our human system of unequality. On the other hand, if all were to be equal, how uninteresting would our lives be?
@Mog:
He literally said that if he were in the same position he would do the same thing.
To give him some credit though, from the posts he made to follow that up, I'm pretty sure Khon isn't a dangerous sociopath, just ridiculously daft or not much older than 14.
Im in fact 25, if you so much wish to know. You, on the other hand, seems like one that cant shake off the shackles and common morality imposed by society even for the sake of an argument, which demonstrates, at best, a deep insecurity and a dangerous need to feel safe and be part of something bigger than himself.
@Mog:
If you want this, maybe you should stop so unapologetically pretending murdering hundreds of people is okay as long as you're ''a better person''. Not that I'm taking you very seriously about it, but playing the victim card is the last thing you should be doing in this discussion.
You do not need to read my posts if they do not seem agreeable to you. Even if you do, you dont need to reply offensively as a post, you can curse me in the privacy of your own home and pc. Heck, you can even make dolls with my namesake and throw pins on them. All of those are in your right. What I want, the only thing I request, is that you show respect when talking in public, as your parents likely have tried (unsucessfully, I might add) to teach you.
I believe this forum does not endorse personal attacks, whatever my opinion on whatever happened on a manga should be. And let me repeat - I do think that it is okay based on Griffith's philosophy and circunstances surrounding that choice and yes, I would likely do the same if in the same situation. Now are you going to offend me again and again everytime I post this? I can be quite patient.