I'm going to walk in this thread, say Bane was the best part of the movie, I cried, and walk out.
And RIP to those that died in Colorado.
I'm going to walk in this thread, say Bane was the best part of the movie, I cried, and walk out.
And RIP to those that died in Colorado.
I'm not angry. Obviously. I'm not lashing out and cussing like a preteen.
The points you agreed with me on were:
! 7) Bane and the Bombs
! 2) Blake figuring out who Btamn was. But only AFTER numerous posts back and forth and me finally catching you in your own post. "I see what you did there."
! 5) You sort of gave me this one. Though with the quip at the end, I'm still not sure if you really are okay with it. And I don't know how you can be okay with this one, but not the Stock Market one. I mean in real life no one's going to recover from a broken back and then do everything Wayne did in only a 5 month period.
If you can suspend your disbelief for something that ridiculous, you should be able for everything else in the film
So at first you only agreed with me on 1 point. Maybe 2, though I didn't really buy it. You came into the third one after I had gotten fed up and left the conversation. Speaking of, I don't know how I let myself get dragged back into this.
And really you
! being unable to accept anything about Talia. That's where I really find your stubbornness to be at full force.
Anyway, I am sure people are tired of reading this. I know I'm tired of of saying the same thing over and over. So let's just let bygones be bygones, vacate the thread, and enjoy the rest of our respective days.
I thought the movie was alright. I personally think it was the weakest of the three, entertainment wise. The ending is really strong and powerful.
But my problem is that there was a lot of moments "groaned" at;
! Robin thing. Not because they didn't name him Dick or Tim; but its just really corny and kind of lame to shoe horn that in. Though, I would of preferred it if everyone revered to him as Officer, Detective, and then we have a revealed Robin name. That would of been cool. But honestly, the entire movie I kept thinking… "Who is this guy?" "Why are we focusing on him..." "This is worst that that new muppet from the muppet movie."
! Catwoman's perfect make up even after a 5 month period of no supplies... Ok. Sure. Also, the forced romance at the end.
One of the problems with Bane besides not being interesting at all, and we all knew what was going to happen at some point in the movie, because its the only cool thing about him. The previous villains were more interesting from a mental standpoint, Bane's all physical when it comes to fights. And its just uninteresting to watch. The one fight scene in the movie dragged on way too long.
@Nex:
I know a lot of people hold the Dark Knight as not being a Batman movie. How do you all feel about Rises?
! In my opinion, Begins is the only Batman movie in the city.
! TDK, was about Gotham as a whole.
! In Rises we finally got the Brice Wayne movie. Bale was in the Batsuit maybe 30minutes of the run time. The rest he was Wayne, so hopefully you feel better than this.
Batman didn't have a whole lot of screentime, but Wayne got a hefty amount but a lot of it is still about Batman "rising". I found TDK to be more of a Dent and Joker movie, as the whole conflict was really about them and not so much Batman.
Saw it for a second time, and it is now officially my favorite Batman movie. Its great when you can definitively end a series like this and not have to worry about leaving it open for another possible sequel.
Xerxes, remember that this is not the Batman comic series. Relative peace is actually normal for a real-life metropolis, there aren't usually Scarecrows and Jokers and Banes running around. It's perfectly acceptable that the above-average threat that Bane posed, was the only thing that could draw Batman back to the city.
Nex can learn A LOT from you in terms of how to form an argument because with ONE post, I can see the logic behind what you think. When I go back, Joker is in prison, Scarecrow was in prison, Two Face is dead, Ras is dead, and Poison Ivy well who the hell cares. She was never in the movies so with that said there is no particular threat from a non-existent foe. Batman's Rogue Gallery has been more or less anihilated with the exception of Bane and the Riddler. So now I can see why Batman wouldn't need to return to Gotham city until, said threat in the form of Bane made himself known.
@Nex:
I'm not angry. Obviously. I'm not lashing out and cussing like a preteen.
No but you habitually insult me for having a mind of my own. That's certainly taking the high road.
@Nex:
The points you agreed with me on were:
! 7) Bane and the Bombs
! 2) Blake figuring out who Btamn was. But only AFTER numerous posts back and forth and me finally catching you in your own post. "I see what you did there."
! 5) You sort of gave me this one. Though with the quip at the end, I'm still not sure if you really are okay with it. And I don't know how you can be okay with this one, but not the Stock Market one. I mean in real life no one's going to recover from a broken back and then do everything Wayne did in only a 5 month period.
! I do agree with you on number 7. And again you are so obsessed with getting me to agree with you you won't even hear out my arguments. My issue with number 2 is that the movie expects me to believe that this one cop is more intelligent than the Joker. Think about that. Number 5? Like we agreed on. He's the Gotdamn Batman. Still, I'm amazed that Batman would heal from a broken back in six months but wouldn't hide any money under his mattress for a rainy day.
@Nex:
If you can suspend your disbelief for something that ridiculous, you should be able for everything else in the film
And again, you habitually insult me because I won't surrender my intellect to agree with you on everything. Just because you're going to see a movie that doesn't mean you suspend your disbelief with regards to EVERYTHING that happens in the movie. If Batman was in here dodging bullets like Neo and if I were to call bullshit you would be saying, oh this guy is a troll. He's not suspending his disbelief. Somethings in a movie i.e., fiction are fine, but there are other things that any person with a brain would say, oh that's ridiculous. If I see Batman and Superman arm wrestle, and Batman wins I'm calling bullshit. But you're going to say oh this guy is troll because he's not willing to believe Batman can beat Superman in armwrestling.
@Nex:
! being unable to accept anything about Talia. That's where I really find your stubbornness to be at full force.
I just didn't buy her being in the movie. And like I said six times now, it's not that I hated her inclusion in the movie. I just didn't buy BB as a set up for her appearance in TDKR. Your logic is so assinine that you honestly expect me to believe that a charactet who had no set-up, no foreshadowing, popping up out of thin air is just fine, it's something you saw coming. Step into my time machine so you can see how ridiculous your argument is. Let's say the first Spider-Man movie was just released. The Sam Raimi one. I go see it and after seeing the first movie I'm like, oh yeah Venom and Sandman are totally going to be the villains in the third film. I'm calling it.
Statement from Christopher Nolan concerning the Tragedy in Aurora last night:
"Speaking on behalf of the cast and crew of The Dark Knight Rises, I would like to express our profound sorrow at the senseless tragedy that has befallen the entire Aurora community.
I would not presume to know anything about the victims of the shooting but that they were there last night to watch a movie. I believe movies are one of the great American art forms and the shared experience of watching a story unfold on screen is an important and joyful pastime.
The movie theatre is my home, and the idea that someone would violate that innocent and hopeful place in such an unbearably savage way is devastating to me.
Nothing any of us can say could ever adequately express our feelings for the innocent victims of this appalling crime, but our thoughts are with them and their families."
- Christopher Nolan
It's sad that it's gotten to the point where a family can't even see a movie in peace.
Just got back from my local theater. The manager and I are good friends (I had worked in the theater for two years before I left to for the job I have now) so when he saw me walk in with a group of friends he pulled me aside and told me that he had decided to have a minute of silence before each showing of the film in remembrance of those who had lost their lives. Then he told me that there were two showings at the same time, and he needed someone to lead the minute in the other. Saying no wasn't even an option for me – it never crossed my mind. He gave me the copy of the speech he had been reading to patrons and then thanked me.
Reading that speech and then leading a couple hundred people in a minute of silence is the hardest thing I've ever had to do. It suddenly became real. The terror those poor people must have felt. The heartbreak they're going through now. It's just so real.
When it got to the point in the movie where the massacre occurred, I broke.
Seeing it for a third time was supposed to be how I verified my thoughts about the film, but I barely watched it. The whole time all I could think about was the tragedy. And the stupid argument on here. The fact that we were arguing over something so inane while people were, and still are suffering just bugs the hell out of me, and I'm ashamed by it. But I can't help but be thankful that we were able to have that argument. I know I'm going into overly cliche and cheesy territory here, but I need to. I need to say this to someone. And I'm horrible at extemporaneous speaking, so I have to write it down.
Tragedies like this, they remind us of how fragile life is. How you never know when your time is up. One of the victims in the shooting was a 24 year old woman who survived the shooting up in Toronto not too long ago and posted on her blog how grateful she is to be alive, and how it reminded her that you never know when you're going, so you have to cherish the moments. A month later, and she's dead. In a shooting. The powers that be can be really messed up. It' like a sick, unfair joke.
These were the things going through my head during the movie.
These are the things going through my head now.
These will be the things going through my head for the foreseeable future.
Life is way too short, way too tragic to be horrible to one another. It doesn't matter what's being said or who said it. All that matters is that we're here to say it. So, XerXes, I don't care what you think about the movie. I don't care about arguing discrepancies, plot points, anything, but I'm glad that you and I were both here, able to have that argument. And, in the future, when we argue again, it'll still be pointless, but it'll be good because we're here.
Keep those who died, those who are in critical condition, those who are stable, their friends, their families -- keep everyone in your thoughts and/or your prayers, whichever suits you best, and be grateful that you're here, able to argue about a multitude of stupid, pointless things on a forum with a bunch of people you don't even know.
If you took the time to read all of this rambling mess (which really ended up being extemporaneous writing) , thank you. If not, I honestly understand.
Some more thoughts on the ending and the future of Gotham:
! Wayne left Gotham in the hands of a crappier Batman. John Blake's ideals for Gotham and detective skills are great, but what about his fighting ability? He hasn't been trained by the likes of Bruce Wayne or the League of Assassins, just probably some police academy stuff.
! And how's he going to get all the money to fund his equipment?
Despite all that, I'm happy with the ending.
This was easily the weakest of the trilogy. Overall it was good but disappointing. Don't really feel like saying much more.
Well said Nex. Life is too short, never take it for granted.
@XerXes:
I just didn't buy her being in the movie. And like I said six times now, it's not that I hated her inclusion in the movie. I just didn't buy BB as a set up for her appearance in TDKR. Your logic is so assinine that you honestly expect me to believe that a charactet who had no set-up, no foreshadowing, popping up out of thin air is just fine, it's something you saw coming. Step into my time machine so you can see how ridiculous your argument is. Let's say the first Spider-Man movie was just released. The Sam Raimi one. I go see it and after seeing the first movie I'm like, oh yeah Venom and Sandman are totally going to be the villains in the third film. I'm calling it.
This makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever and is completely ridiculous. Why does she NEED foreshadowing in the two preceding movies anyway?
! All you need to be told is that Ra's al Ghul had a child. Which TDKR does, it goes through a very long story explaining that Ra's al Ghul had a child. In fact, if Talia's inclusion in the movie follows exactly the same arc as her Father's in Batman Begins.
! 1: We are introduced to Henri Drucard.
2: We and Bruce grow to like Drucard and see him as a friend and ally.
3: We are introduced to the concept that there is a ruler of the League named Ra's al Ghul
4: We are lead to believe random Asian guy is Ra's al Ghul despite that being an Arabic phrase.
5: Holy crap, shocking reveal, Drucard was Ra's al Ghul the whole time
6: Ra's goes on to become the main villain of the movie
! Did you buy his character being there? Because that's how his character arc went using only the information given to you in Batman Begins.
Now let's examine Talia's information using only information as presented to us in The Dark Knight Rises.
! 1: We are introduce to Miranda Tate.
2: We and Bruce grow to like Miranda and see her as a friend and ally. (and possible love interest)
3: We are introduced to the concept that there is a child Ra's al Ghul who escaped the prison. This information is told to us in a full-on flashback.
4: We are lead to believe Bane is the child of Ra's al Ghul.
5: Holy crap, shocking reveal, Talia was Ra's al Ghul's kid Talia the whole time
6: Talia goes on to become the main villain of the movie.
! Where in that process is anything different?! Her inclusion makes perfect sense without needing even a single piece of foreshadowing from either of the earlier movies, using only the internal logic of TDKR.
Anyway, I loved it. It was a real nice fitting end to the story. Tho… Ok, I honestly didn't think it was as good as The Dark Knight... Sorry, I think Heath Ledger's Joker was a tour-de-force that can't really be topped. Hardy did a wonderful job as Bane, but Joker still wins and I think TDKR is just absolutely perfect. That being said, this movie was completely satisfying, a fitting conclusion to a wonderful story arc.
It felt like Knightfall, No Man's Land, and just a hint of A Lonely Place of Dying all rolled into one.
! Blake finding out that Bruce is Batman was kinda awesome. I hated it at first, like "this dude just figured it out?" but then I remember in a Lonely Place of Dying, Tim Drake did exactly what this guy did. You have a freaking kid who figured out what scores of villains, every cop in the city, and even some of the other heroes couldn't even figure out.
Also, is it just me or was Bane's voice very haphazardly ADR'd. I mean, it wasn't blended with the rest of the audio track as well, to the point that every scene he's in it sounds like there are surround-sound loud speakers set up all around the room and Bane is the guy talking in the mic. But every time he talks. Especially in the first underground cave/sewers scene. His voice didn't sound like it was coming out of him, more like it was the disembodied voice of god just permeating around the whole room…
Also, is it just me or was Bane's voice very haphazardly ADR'd. I mean, it wasn't blended with the rest of the audio track as well, to the point that every scene he's in it sounds like there are surround-sound loud speakers set up all around the room and Bane is the guy talking in the mic. But every time he talks. Especially in the first underground cave/sewers scene. His voice didn't sound like it was coming out of him, more like it was the disembodied voice of god just permeating around the whole room…
They probably did this in post so that you could actually understand what he's saying.
It felt like Knightfall, No Man's Land, and just a hint of A Lonely Place of Dying all rolled into one.
U forgot The Dark Knight Returns from Frank Millar. It was also one of the comics that inspired the storyline
! Blake finding out that Bruce is Batman was kinda awesome. I hated it at first, like "this dude just figured it out?" but then I remember in a Lonely Place of Dying, Tim Drake did exactly what this guy did. You have a freaking kid who figured out what scores of villains, every cop in the city, and even some of the other heroes couldn't even figure out..
! There was a lot of debate about this as well, "How the hell is a regular cop able to deduct who Batman is?". And my final answer is "He's not actually ur ordinary cop, he's the next to take on the Batman mantle." So I think we would all have to be satisfied with that.
Also, is it just me or was Bane's voice very haphazardly ADR'd. I mean, it wasn't blended with the rest of the audio track as well, to the point that every scene he's in it sounds like there are surround-sound loud speakers set up all around the room and Bane is the guy talking in the mic. But every time he talks. Especially in the first underground cave/sewers scene. His voice didn't sound like it was coming out of him, more like it was the disembodied voice of god just permeating around the whole room…
Bane's voice didn't sound like that at first, it was more growly..kinda like Batman's. But after the first viewing, many of the executive and the audience said they couldn't follow what he was saying. So in the end, Nolan altered and redubbed Bane's voice. Thats probably why it felt odd
Yeah, but ADR happens in all Movies. I guarantee if you've seen a movie in the last few decades, at least one line got ADR'd in later for some reason. In fact, in V For Vendetta, there was a different guy who wasn't Hugo Weaving in the mask initially before the recast, so half the movie had to be ADR'd at least. But everywhere else, the ADR'd dialog is blended into the audio track. If a character is off screen 10 feet to the right, his voice comes from the right speakers in the theater and sounds kinda distant. They mix it into the audio track so it sounds naturalistic, like the newly recorded dialog belongs with the rest of the audio.
Bane's voice doesn't. Not all the time. Quite often his voice wasn't properly directionally mixed to the point that his voice sounded like… like it was the disembodied voice of god. or a narrator. The best most glaring example I think is the first thing he says the first time you hear him in the sewer, when he had no shirt on.
@Nex:
Just got back from my local theater. The manager and I are good friends (I had worked in the theater for two years before I left to for the job I have now) so when he saw me walk in with a group of friends he pulled me aside and told me that he had decided to have a minute of silence before each showing of the film in remembrance of those who had lost their lives. Then he told me that there were two showings at the same time, and he needed someone to lead the minute in the other. Saying no wasn't even an option for me – it never crossed my mind. He gave me the copy of the speech he had been reading to patrons and then thanked me.
Reading that speech and then leading a couple hundred people in a minute of silence is the hardest thing I've ever had to do. It suddenly became real. The terror those poor people must have felt. The heartbreak they're going through now. It's just so real.
When it got to the point in the movie where the massacre occurred, I broke.
Seeing it for a third time was supposed to be how I verified my thoughts about the film, but I barely watched it. The whole time all I could think about was the tragedy. And the stupid argument on here. The fact that we were arguing over something so inane while people were, and still are suffering just bugs the hell out of me, and I'm ashamed by it. But I can't help but be thankful that we were able to have that argument. I know I'm going into overly cliche and cheesy territory here, but I need to. I need to say this to someone. And I'm horrible at extemporaneous speaking, so I have to write it down.
Tragedies like this, they remind us of how fragile life is. How you never know when your time is up. One of the victims in the shooting was a 24 year old woman who survived the shooting up in Toronto not too long ago and posted on her blog how grateful she is to be alive, and how it reminded her that you never know when you're going, so you have to cherish the moments. A month later, and she's dead. In a shooting. The powers that be can be really messed up. It' like a sick, unfair joke.
These were the things going through my head during the movie.
These are the things going through my head now.
These will be the things going through my head for the foreseeable future.Life is way too short, way too tragic to be horrible to one another. It doesn't matter what's being said or who said it. All that matters is that we're here to say it. So, XerXes, I don't care what you think about the movie. I don't care about arguing discrepancies, plot points, anything, but I'm glad that you and I were both here, able to have that argument. And, in the future, when we argue again, it'll still be pointless, but it'll be good because we're here.
Keep those who died, those who are in critical condition, those who are stable, their friends, their families -- keep everyone in your thoughts and/or your prayers, whichever suits you best, and be grateful that you're here, able to argue about a multitude of stupid, pointless things on a forum with a bunch of people you don't even know.
If you took the time to read all of this rambling mess (which really ended up being extemporaneous writing) , thank you. If not, I honestly understand.
Is it wrong if I just want to post to thank you for this speech?
My heart goes out to them and I have to say I completely agree with you.
Bane's voice sounded fine to me, because it seemed like the mask was amplifying his words, like the Vader mask. I just never got the impression that it wasn't him talking, and usually stuff like that bothers me a lot whether I'm looking for it or not.
@Nex, that was an amazing speech…...I agree with you.....
Um......here's my review of the movie:
! Let me start off by saying that I walked in thinking "bah, I'll barely enjoy this, compared to Dark Knight". Dumb thinking, but I was wrong. Really, really wrong. It was a fantastic film.
! All the main actors/actresses were superb…...especially Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Blake. Say what you want but he's honestly the character I enjoyed the most, from start to finish. But everyone was good.
! My biggest surprise was Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman.....I was kinda on the fence when I heard she was announced to play the character.....every movie that I ever saw Hathaway in was a light-hearted flim, not a dramatic one like this. And she did a amazing job, capturing the sly playfulness and the thief-like wit of Catwoman perfectly. (and when she broke that prisoners' arms, holy shit)
! Michael Caine and Gary Oldman were great as usual as Alfred and the Commissioner, but let's take a look at Tom Hardy as Bane. He did a good job making Bane seem very threatening to the public and the viewers (breaking necks, blowing up a stadium and bridges, etc). Not as memorable as Heath Ledger's Joker, but I honestly wasn't expecting much.
! Great emotional scenes, and the score (thank you, Hans Zimmer) was terrific. Great action….but wait, do I have any negative things to say?
! Yes, a couple of gripes:
! 1. It was kinda hard to understand Bane's voice under the mask. For the most part I got the jest of his speeches, but some sentences were lost on me. Not a major problem.
2. Bruce Wayne goes eight years hobbling with a cane due to injuries from the last flim. Nice touch, but I kinda felt he recovered a little too quickly from Bane breaking his back (doesn't that do more damage???) Then again, he was seriously willing himself to get stronger to escape the jail pit, and the story wouldn't end well if he couldn't save the day, I guess......again, not a major problem.
3. Bane's end......well, that could've been done better. Batman's seriously whaling on him, but he's defeated by being kicked into a wall??? Or maybe I missed something. Could've used more berserker Bane, but ah well.
4. The end scene with Blake and "Robin".....what a dicktease-move. Okay, I wouldn't count this as a real problem, since Blake was a great character all-around.
! But aside from my......complaints, it really was a fantastic movie in my eyes. Better than the Avengers, or the new Spiderman? Eh....I don't know, I loved the shit out of the other two movies, but I've seen valid complaints addressing all three movies here.
! (Funny thing, when I got home, Dark Knight was on TV lol)
! Now I'll get ready from my next movie-going experience.....Expendiables 2.
After giving a few days to digest the film, I am gonna go with a 6.5/10 for the film. When I say 6.5, I don't mean bad or horrible, I mean decent/alright.
I think the problem, was the length and that I felt the length of the film. I think Nolan has the same problem as Takashi Miike where all their movies are a half hour too long. There is a lot of reiterating to the point where it takes away from characters and their development. There were a few characters where rather than their performance and portrayal speaking out as to who they are, other characters stated things over and over to build that impression. It felt very scripted. The characters kept waiting around.
! An example is when Batman was surrounded by cops, the cops gave enough time for Batman to shoot a truck and then use it as a ramp before they did anything. Very scripted and not all that fluent. A lot of things also shouldn't have worked and made no sense.
! Example is that the bomb should have exploded multiple times with how it was treated and kept banging around hitting things. Rewinding a bit though, why parade the bomb in a truck instead of hiding it? Especially after the girl knew that the cops were tracking the bomb and knew it was in a truck? The final point I will make for now is Bane's voice. It didn't even sound like it was coming from the film. It felt like it was slapped on top of the entire audio track to the film.
I'll be honest, I never was a big fan of this series of films. They felt really scripted and less fluent. I did like this one the best though.
It was AMAZING saw it Thursday night. HUGE PROBLEM, during almost every major action scene the theater system had static so it was hard to hear. I will definitely be going again.
Question to those who have scene the move (please put answers in spoiler tags)
! The cop who in the end finds the batcave is obviously supposed to be Robin. But I thought Nolan said the trilogy was over? This seemed like a set up for another sequel or new series. So does anyone know what the point of Robin is? I'm actually hoping for a new series but I'd like it on Nightwing because Robin kinda stinks as a character.
Bane's voice sounds disconnected on purpose. As was stated earlier in the thread, initial reactions found it hard to understand what he was saying, so the studio took steps to ensure that wouldn't be an issue in the final mix. They're overcompensating basically.
It was AMAZING saw it Thursday night. HUGE PROBLEM, during almost every major action scene the theater system had static so it was hard to hear. I will definitely be going again.
Question to those who have scene the move (please put answers in spoiler tags)
! The cop who in the end finds the batcave is obviously supposed to be Robin. But I thought Nolan said the trilogy was over? This seemed like a set up for another sequel or new series. So does anyone know what the point of Robin is? I'm actually hoping for a new series but I'd like it on Nightwing because Robin kinda stinks as a character.
! I think Nolan left it open in a way, so that if WB wanted they wouldn't have to reboot. They could just continue with the next director using JGL as the new Batman. Personally I hope thats the case.
Question to those who have scene the move (please put answers in spoiler tags)
! The cop who in the end finds the batcave is obviously supposed to be Robin. But I thought Nolan said the trilogy was over? This seemed like a set up for another sequel or new series. So does anyone know what the point of Robin is? I'm actually hoping for a new series but I'd like it on Nightwing because Robin kinda stinks as a character.
Nolan has himself said that he wont be a party to Batman series anymore. For now, Nolan will be releasing his next Superhero movie named "Man of Steel", which is based on Superman. That will be in 2013 though. For now, forget about Nolan. He might have left it for other directors to continue the series.
I didn't find Bane's voice hard to understand. I did find it not fitting for the character at first but by the end it is good. As for comparing this to the other 2, the 2nd one was better because Ledger's Joker is better than Hardy's Bane. The first one was an average movie, not great not bad. Second one was a masterpiece and the this one was an extremely good movie. I need to see it again minus the damn static.
Nolan has himself said that he wont be a party to Batman series anymore. For now, Nolan will be releasing his next Superhero movie named "Man of Steel", which is based on Superman. That will be in 2013 though. For now, forget about Nolan. He might have left it for other directors to continue the series.
I see.
! Still he definitely left it open for a potential sequel or new series regardless of who does it. My guess is whoever owns the rights to Batman is going to try and squeeze mroe money out of this and make another movie that will suck balls. I just don't get why Nolan didn't close the potential for a new movie, now it's open to be fucked with.
Here's my understanding of the ending:
! Nolan didn't leave it open for future sequels. He ended it the way he did to demonstrate what he had been saying the whole time: That Batman is a symbol. Robin Johnathan Blake is not going to become The Boy Wonder, he's not going to become Nightwing, he's going to be the new Batman. Yes, technically someone could continue it if they wanted to, but that was not Nolan's intention at all.
! Also, I don't think Levitt would come back as Batman, or anyone else would really come back without Nolan at the helm.
Also, Leon, Man of Steel is unfortunately not a Nolan film. He's just a producer on the film, he didn't have a hand in the writing or directing. It's a Snyder project through and through. From what I understand after Man of Steel, Nolan isn't planning on having any connection to a superhero film for the foreseeable future.
Has anyone already mentioned here that TDKR's plot has a bunch of striking similarities with
! Arabasta arc?
like
! - A bomb which has 6 miles of blast radius
@Nex:
Here's my understanding of the ending:
! Nolan didn't leave it open for future sequels. He ended it the way he did to demonstrate what he had been saying the whole time: That Batman is a symbol. Robin Johnathan Blake is not going to become The Boy Wonder, he's not going to become Nightwing, he's going to be the new Batman. Yes, technically someone could continue it if they wanted to, but that was not Nolan's intention at all.
! Also, I don't think Levitt would come back as Batman, or anyone else would really come back without Nolan at the helm.Also, Leon, Man of Steel is unfortunately not a Nolan film. He's just a producer on the film, he didn't have a hand in the writing or directing. It's a Snyder project through and through. From what I understand after Man of Steel, Nolan isn't planning on having any connection to a superhero film for the foreseeable future.
That makes a lot more sense than what I was thinking. But knowing Hollywood there will be an attempt sooner rather than later to make more money off this series especially after this weekends box office numbers come out. I'm willing to bet this moving pulls in over $500m after all is said and done, which means even a shitty rip off would make $100m or more just because the name
@Nex:
Also, Leon, Man of Steel is unfortunately not a Nolan film. He's just a producer on the film, he didn't have a hand in the writing or directing. It's a Snyder project through and through. From what I understand after Man of Steel, Nolan isn't planning on having any connection to a superhero film for the foreseeable future.
Yes, i saw that sometime ago, ill just modify my post by saying that he is the producer. He wont be the director. He will just be involved in a superhero movie.
If anyone is annoyed by Bane or his voice just remember this
This was easily the weakest of the trilogy. Overall it was good but disappointing. Don't really feel like saying much more.
I like how you were honest regardless of the fact that the fandumb would crucify you for it.
@XerXes:
I like how you were honest regardless of the fact that the fandumb would crucify you for it.
I'd disagree the 2nd movie was by far the best, the latest movie was pretty good, and the 1st movie was very basic. Still people are entitle to their opinions, most people I've talked to say this isn't as good as the 2nd movie but still really good. And then some people don't really like it
I've been iffy on the Nolan series since the beginning. The only thing I've loved in the series are the villains. And that's not me riding the Joker train, I loved Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, and Two Face. Two Face was probably my favorite rendition, purely because they made such a nice guy like Aaron Eckhart to be so fucking scary, visually and emotionally.
I just…don't feel for Bruce. I didn't care when Rachel died. Only good guy I'd say that I like is Gordon. And this is odd for me. I'm usually the person who cheers on the hero. And it has nothing to do with Batman. I adore Batman villains, but I always liked Batman too and cheered him on. Here? I just don't really care what happens to the heroes.
Maybe the third is different, and Bruce and Blake are more relatable, but....eh. I adore Catwoman, so I'm curious to see how that goes.
I'd disagree the 2nd movie was by far the best, the latest movie was pretty good, and the 1st movie was very basic. Still people are entitle to their opinions, most people I've talked to say this isn't as good as the 2nd movie but still really good. And then some people don't really like it
See I agree with that. The Dark Knight is my favorite hands down. Even though there were some holes in that movie as well everything just felt so alive. For the first time the Joker presented a physical and psychological threat not only to Batman but all of Gotham City. And I also liked how Nolan approached his character from the perspective of an agent of chaos rather than the clown prince of crime. Can't wait to see how people are going to twist this and say oh this troll hated TDKR but we'll see.
@XerXes:
See I agree with that. The Dark Knight is my favorite hands down. Even though there were some holes in that movie as well everything just felt so alive. For the first time the Joker presented a physical and psychological threat not only to Batman but all of Gotham City. And I also liked how Nolan approached his character from the perspective of an agent of chaos rather than the clown prince of crime. Can't wait to see how people are going to twist this and say oh this troll hated TDKR but we'll see.
Dude, everyone's over that shit already. Seriously.
Read Nex's last post, man, and you'll see.
And maybe read my first post after watching the movie, and you'll see that I agree with you on TDK being better than TDKR.
Bro chill out. You talked about big plot holes, Nex proved you wrong. You lost, move on.
So we've moved to the which film is better discussion eh?
Can I make suggestion?
When people talk about Lord of the Rings, they, while we all have our favorite part of the trilogy, don't argue about which one is better. We just enjoy the trilogy as a whole. As one long fantastic story.
The same with the original Star Wars trilogy.
So why shouldn't we do the same with Nolan's Batman trilogy? While they are all standalone-esque (Rises less so), they're one big fantastic story at the same time.
I made this pitch on the IMDB boards and was eaten alive.
For me, when looking at it as a whole, I definitely have my favorite of the 3, but that discussion pales in comparison to the trilogy as a whole, which I feel is a truly masterful story.
I love all three movies, but I would rank them, Rises, Begins, Dark Knight. I like the first two about the same, that is to say a lot, but Rises is easily my favorite.
Edit: But like Nex said I'm basically just a fan of the trilogy as a whole. This one is my favorite because I liked how the overall story ended.
@XerXes:
See I agree with that. The Dark Knight is my favorite hands down. Even though there were some holes in that movie as well everything just felt so alive. For the first time the Joker presented a physical and psychological threat not only to Batman but all of Gotham City. And I also liked how Nolan approached his character from the perspective of an agent of chaos rather than the clown prince of crime. Can't wait to see how people are going to twist this and say oh this troll hated TDKR but we'll see.
Yeah I liked it but it wasn't my favorite. I think I enjoyed it more because unlike when I saw Iroman2 at midnight and expected it to be better than Ironman, I was disappointed. I saw DKR and knew it wasn't going to match the previous one, but I liked it a lot. I've slowly come to realize nothing is liked universally, but lots of things are hated universally (or at least it seems that way) whether it's movies, books, shows, actors, athletes, teams, talk shows, and politicians. Overall I enjoyed the story and the series.
Also thanks to Nex for helping me understand the ending a little better. I am going to see it again because apparently the theater I was in didn't realize their sound system was messed up and every action scene had crackling static.
Too many plotholes and a very rushed first act. Didn't enjoy it as much as the second.
! If Bruce Wayne stopped being Batman after the Harvey Dent killings, why was he so messed up when the movie began? And how exactly did he get from a desert to the city? Bane really traveled all the way from Gothom to talk to Bruce for a minute and then went back? And Blake figuring out who Batman was by a smile? And Bane's demise, smh. And worst Government EVER, five months and all they do is send in 3 men?
@The:
Too many plotholes and a very rushed first act. Didn't enjoy it as much as the second.
! If Bruce Wayne stopped being Batman after the Harvey Dent killings, why was he so messed up when the movie began? And how exactly did he get from a desert to the city? Bane really traveled all the way from Gothom to talk to Bruce for a minute and then went back? And Blake figuring out who Batman was by a smile? And Bane's demise, smh. And worst Government EVER, five months and all they do is send in 3 men?
! Wayne's body was messed up because of all the fighting. He got his ass kicked a lot. He also jumped off of tall buildings a lot. His body being torn up is the most realistic thing in the movie.
! He got back to the city the same way he got there, by traveling. Maybe he flew. Maybe he walked. There was a city right by the prison. There wasn't really any need to show him traveling was there?
! Bane took him to the prison after he broke him, that's why he was there to talk to him. Then he left.
! Blake figured out who Batman was because he recognized Wayne as wearing a mask. The same mask he was wearing. So yes, by a smile, I guess, but it was what was behind the smile that really gave it away. And moreso, I feel like Blake wasn't 100% positive. After he saw that he did the math, just like Tim in the comics and put it all together. There were years after all between the encounters.
! Eh. I get this one, I just don't agree. Bane had already been beaten by Batman. The only reason Bane was alive was because Talia saved him. It would have been a waste of time just to have the two fight again just to have Batman beat him the exact same way.
! Well, it was hard enough to get those men in and we saw what happened to them. There was a bomb travelling around the city, they couldn't just carelessly send people in.
@The:
Too many plotholes and a very rushed first act. Didn't enjoy it as much as the second.
! If Bruce Wayne stopped being Batman after the Harvey Dent killings, why was he so messed up when the movie began? And how exactly did he get from a desert to the city? Bane really traveled all the way from Gothom to talk to Bruce for a minute and then went back? And Blake figuring out who Batman was by a smile? And Bane's demise, smh. And worst Government EVER, five months and all they do is send in 3 men?
! -He was messed up over years of being Batman. The last time we see him in Dark Knight he basically limps onto the Batpod.
-He got a plane and then snuck into the city? He is Batman
Bro chill out. You talked about big plot holes, Nex proved you wrong. You lost, move on.
No offense but your opinion isn't worth sharing. Thanks though.
@The:
Too many plotholes and a very rushed first act. Didn't enjoy it as much as the second.
! If Bruce Wayne stopped being Batman after the Harvey Dent killings, why was he so messed up when the movie began? And how exactly did he get from a desert to the city? Bane really traveled all the way from Gothom to talk to Bruce for a minute and then went back? And Blake figuring out who Batman was by a smile? And Bane's demise, smh. And worst Government EVER, five months and all they do is send in 3 men?
Thanks Iceman. I didn't even spot those. You know these cats are going to demonize you for having a mind of your own though. Oh and they started already. I'll disagree with you on two points though.
! Remember at the end of the Dark Knight Batman fell off a roof. That's why his back was messed up at the start of the movie. Also, concerning the incompetence of the government, that's just standard.
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No one's demonzining anyone. We're simply pointing things he might of missed, just like we did with you.
The movie is 2 hours and 45 minutes long, it's very easy to miss or forget things, especially things that happened near the beginning of the movie. That, or we might have a different perspective on something, and we decided to share that in the hopes of clearing some things up.
XerXes, people, myself included, have tried to be civil and have a legitimate discussion with you, but you are so insistent on portraying yourself as some kind of victim. It's frustrating. And tiresome.
God bless ya, Nex, you're such a committed defender. I'd almost prefer not to see the movie now so I don't have to worry about arguing with you again. :)
@Nex:
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No one's demonzining anyone. We're simply pointing things he might of missed, just like we did with you.The movie is 2 hours and 45 minutes long, it's very easy to miss or forget things, especially things that happened near the beginning of the movie. That, or we might have a different perspective on something, and we decided to share that in the hopes of clearing some things up.
XerXes, people, myself included, have tried to be civil and have a legitimate discussion with you, but you are so insistent on portraying yourself as some kind of victim. It's frustrating. And tiresome.
I think it your nailing me to a cross that had something to do with that. But I digress. It's wrong for me to have a different opinion about this movie. I have to agree with you on everything concerning the TDKR. It's not enough that I enjoyed the movie, I have to agree with a critic who doesn't know how to do his job, on every conceivable level. Please, name something about the TDKR that places it over the top of the likes of Citizen Kane so that I might agree with you. Tell me why you think this is the perfect movie so that I might prostrate myself before your infinite movie wisdom. The wisdom you have as a critic who needs to see a movie three times before he can write one good review.
@XerXes:
I think it your nailing me to a cross that had something to do with that. But I digress. It's wrong for me to have a different opinion about this movie. I have to agree with you on everything concerning the TDKR. It's not enough that I enjoyed the movie, I have to agree with a critic who doesn't know how to do his job, on every conceivable level. Please, name something about the TDKR that places it over the top of the likes of Citizen Kane so that I might agree with you. Tell me why you think this is the perfect movie so that I might prostrate myself before your infinite movie wisdom. The wisdom you have as a critic who needs to see a movie three times before he can write one good review.
Oh stop trying to paint yourself as a martyr for people with different opinions. Now you just sound like an arrogant prick.
We've already said that we're all okay with different opinions and we're over arguing with you, but you just have to keep going, because you have to win. Just let it go.
Holy, seriously XerXes stfu. We are not hating on you because you disliked the film thats fine. It's the fact that when you bring up points that are false and proven as such suddenly you feel the need to be all defensive and think the world is out to get you, we are not man relax. Just stop acting as if we are castrating you for no reason.
Seriously, its fine if you didn't like this movie. Nex is disproving the supposed plot holes people bring up with facts and common sense.