@Silence:

Monkey King is just another reincarnation of Zephos,
He's been around for far, far longer than a couple of reports over kiddy crap are gonna affect so good luck with that
And he's earned his place here or he wouldn't be here,

But even if it wasn't him, I'm thinking it wouldn't take much at all to get you so hot and bothered,
because here you are in heat over a feather-light sig dig and acting like someone nailed you to the cross over everything else.

but you know justice crusade whatever, tilt at those internet windmills
maybe all the bumps and callouses will help you develop a thicker skin instead of a cracked skull

Your post was…

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retarded.

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

@Monkey:

lol really? God you're like a walking ball of all the alreadychewedgum shit poster cliches. Except unlike an ordinary shitposter you're all mismatched with the crap.
Like one post it's "WHOA BRO, STILL POSTING? SRY I DUCKED OUT TO THE GYM", then next it's "I-I-IM TELLING THE MODS! YOU ARE VERY RUDE!".
If you want to seem confident just stick to one persona.

oh shit lol, did you really just… haha
No, don't.
Don't do this please.
You don't want to do this with this subject lol.

DID I MENTION HOW GAY YOU ARE?

Doesn't really exist, let's get real. Or at least the term is misleading.
But I guess it's easier to say than "greekthingsthatgotpassedtoromethenthearabsthentoitalyandthentowesterneuropeandthentotheenlightementwhichwasmostlyinprotestanteuropeanyway"
Which is ideals of democracy and secular stuff mostly. Doesn't have much to do with conquest for conquest's sake. In fact it has nothing to do with it.
Alexander had nothing to do with pretty much any of that anyway, he was a tyrant who conquered (well his dad) the democratic Polis's in the first place lol. He really has nothing at all to do with Western Civ. Democracy didn't get spread along his empire at all.
The mid-east only got into that stuff later when the Caliphates took Byzantine cities and found all the cool Greek knowledge stuff. Like in the Alexandrian library.
More credit is due to the Enlightenment for our modern western world.
The ancient Greeks weren't secular btw, they thought a lot of their philosophers we adore today were horrible heathen kooks for their crazy talk.

There is no "east" yo.
There's like a dozen completely different world sections that are "the East". One of which is the Greeks post-Rome lol (Orthodox world).

Oh and tell me how those bloody conquests for conquests sake advanced democracy, secularism, and the enlightenment.
I could even give some controversial examples myself (fatalistic ones based on luck mostly), but let's see you walk the walk first lol.

Yes, the Greeks for instance are wild patriotic fanatics that would never agree that Alexander is at best a folk hero, and is no realistic idol for any reason. No Greek would ever do this thing. Correct is what you are. You.

Boy you ain't ever picked a history book up lol. Come on now, you ain't pullin one over on ol' Zeph in this department.

Notice how those are all modern figures. Maybe like the world has changed or something since Alexander was around....
Also the conquest and destruction of your posts by me is a humanitarian action sanctioned by all the charter members of this forum.

Well! No dessert for you young man.

@Drake:

And you aren't?

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Nah. I just get a kick out of guys like Monkey King doing it though. You don't have to put gifs in spoilers. Grow a pair.

@RobbyBevard:

Remember, you're completely innocent and getting picked on for no reason whatsoever.

Which is why I said I was playing devil's advocate. Didn't say I actually was a devil's advocate.

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We all know Griffith is a horribly corrupt sexual deviant who would make Caligula blush. But in the interest of fairness I wanted to explore his character. If Monkey King can take it up the ass and be considered a good person by the lot of you (and he isn't a good person for the record) then it stands to reason that this might apply to others as well. I'm fully aware that Griffith was irredeemable from the start but I wanted to explore his character. If Berserk is a deep as you guys believe then why would this introspection into Griffith's character strike such a controversial chord?

@Monkey:

Are you seriously trying to argue this stupid point using people from Antiquity? If Alexander and Attila existed today they would be considered monsters. In fact Attila was considered a monster even in his own time.
The only reason Alexander wasn't was because he's become tangled in both a silly national myth for Greeks and because he's become an extremely weak defense point for idiots who adher to the clash of civilizations model. He ain't seen so hot in Iran.

Griffith did a ton of stuff, for no reason. To become king. So what? That's not a cause.
Alexander and Attila were the same, they weren't fighting for a cause beyond conquest. They destroyed a bunch then died suddenly and their "achievements" collapsed almost immediately. At best leaving bizarre cultural impressions behind. Persia even came back eventually.

Either you've never learned History, or you somehow managed to learn it in like 1957.

Stick to the terrible whiny homophobic jokes. Or better yet just stop posting. Bad history and trying to look manly after admitting to being afraid of a comic book both aren't very attractive options you have to admit.

Are you getting defensive over a comic book? You jenga as fuck. Look dude this is my niche. I'm good at playing devil's advocate, you're good at taking it up the ass. The deeds of Western Civ are about as blood drenched as the deeds of the East and each respect corner of the world holds their history to be a holy relic. Doesn't matter how bloodthirsty or monstrous a historical figure was, they're heralded in the history books as a hero. Except if your name happens to be Stalin, Hitler, Bin Laden, Hussein, or Monkey King.

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And seriously dude, calm the fuck down. It really looks like comic books are the only thing you have going on in your life. Even if that's true you should at least try to save face.

@Herodadotus:

I read all your posts in Bale's Batman voice, just so you know.

I guess you just…

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rattled my cage.

YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

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@andre:

Haha, I'm rereading all of his posts now and they're so awesome. (And really loud)

I used to be taken…

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seriously.

YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

@RobbyBevard:

If you have a reason for it, not really anything wrong just in wanting to be at the top.

But when presented with the sheer body count that was going to be involved in getting there, and then accepting it? Knowing how many would have to die for Griffith to become a king? Willingly sacrificing hundreds of guys you've known for years? Yeah, that's pretty messed up.

Though in the long run he may be the savior of the world that makes everything work out, so… who knows.

Lol well that's a matter of perspective then isn't it. Let's look at manga:

1. Hashirama Senju did the same thing.
2. So did the 3rd Hokage.
3. In Bleach Soul Society did the same thing.
4. In Hitman Reborn Primo probably took out dozens of Mafia families to make the Vongola supreme.

In real life we have

1. Alexander the Great
2. Atila the Hun
3. Liu Bei although history tends to demonize Cao Cao they seem to forget that Liu Bei and Sun Jian was just as guilty of shedding innocent blood during the Three Kingdoms era.
4. Really all men who held ruling authority.

I'd argue that until that point where Griffith allowed himself to be corrupting by the beliet (however its spelled) he was no different from any other person that history teaches us to call great men.

@RobbyBevard:

Griffith always wanted to be king. He was never going to settle with just leading a mercenary band. That was just a means to an end.

Demon King was an opportunity he didn't expect that of course he accepted given the chance.

No. I've read interviews before. He notes Beowulf and Conan as inspirations, and I remember he listed off other stuff as well. But I can't remember what.

I'm double checking my facts and asking for a refresher on others that I've forgotten.

Is it inherently wrong to want to be a king?

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Griffith seems more Machiavellian than evil. Well, before he became a godhand anyway.

@RobbyBevard:

Because its not the same argument.

I'd never make the argument that Goku and Vegeta are gay, because they aren't. I wouldn't for Yusuke and Kuwabara either. But Hiei and Kurama? Eh, could be, but theres not enough there I'd make a real argument about it.

Killua is in love with Gon. That could turn into something else when they get older, but its not a thing currently. They're kids, and I expect Gon to turn out straight, and Killua will never make a point of it. That's love, not just respect and camaraderie in there. The emotional breakdown Killua had over even falsley perceiving Gon choosing a girl over him says how deep that goes.

Guts respects and idolizes Griffith and wants to be his friend. And Griffith wants to use Guts as a tool. (And even specifically says Guts is NOT his friend, due to his lack of dream, which is what screws everything up.) It breaks him once Guts stops being so, and thats a super complicated thing, (More complicated than even Griffith himself knew) and Caska is sort of in the middle of it and ends up being a display of who is in control between them.

Gon and Killua are still kids. Guts is very clearly straight. Griffith is more asexual, but most of his advances, pretense or not, are towards Charlotte, (But there is no love there on his side, all an act) and after becoming Femto and having Guts at his Mercy, its Caska he decides to violate, in a display of "I'm better than you once again". Griffith and Guts is WAY more complicated than just "Griffith thinks Guts is hot and wants him in bed." And Guts most certainly does NOT.

Both complicated and very different relationships. In neither case do I think sex is a major factor. It might be an undertone to both, but… not a major factor in either.

Stage One: Denial, but yeah that's OK. We'll come back to this once you're ready to talk about it. Anyway, change of direction. Was there any point where Griffith's dream was noble? Part of me feels that had he been ignorant of the Beheliet (I know I fucked that up) he might have been satisfied just leading a band of mercenaries.

@Herodadotus:

Dude, people wouldn't be giving you so much grief if you just got over stuff. I mean, every debate I've seen with you involved devolves into a name-calling sludge, usually instigated by you.

You've obviously not seen my in the Final Fantasy thread, FT thread, Nisenmonogatari thread and many others. I've been involved in many debates and the only issues I've had is with Vex and his side-kick Monkey King. Do not speak of things that are beyond your knowledge.

@Herodadotus:

Monkey King has given everyone their fair share of grief at one point or another, you've just gotta get over it.[/QUOTE

Monkey King needs to learn to play by the rules like everyone else on this forum. All members are expected to follow the rules except Monkey King and Robby correct? Those two get a pass. Someone like you might think that is justice. Someone like me thinks differently.

@Taggerung:

Obviously the entire website and all of it's mods are corrupt and beyond salvation. You should probably do something cool like take Oda hostage and threaten his life unless your demands at APForums are met. Then kill him anyway so you teach them the lesson that it is not ok to be jerk diseased meany heads.

I'm beginning to think you're entirely correct.

@Taggerung:

I think i enjoyed this movie so much i'm going to see it again, just shove all my money into nolans hands as fast as possible.

Nolan is getting more than enough money. I've never seen a movie that was good enough to see in theatres twice and TDKR is no different. I will admit that TDK was almost the movie that made me spend an additional $30 on a movie (cause we all know the concessions are what kills you) but my god all those dry scenes. A little rain wouldn't have killed The Dark Knight. That's probably why I feel the cinematography in Batman Begins was the best out of three movies. We got mountains, snow, rains, slums of Gotham, office buildings, prisons, a nice variety of setpieces.

@RobbyBevard:

http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=31716

I'd say he's pretty legit.

Also, fyi, Zephos isn't a mod. Quit reporting him and claiming he is.

If he were legit I wouldn't be reporting him would I?