Seeing how Zebra has already encountered, and supposedly defeated unmeasurable level creatures before, I'm goign to assume the last two things Ichiryuu wanted to say might have something to do with the 4 beast capture level.
Toriko
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How are Viz's releases of this series? Any edits? Bad translations? Censoring?
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Did anyone else get the possible actual reason for Zebra turning off the video? Ichiryu is basically saying goodye to his sons, and I love the idea that deep down, under all that cranky badassness, Zebura is the one who's most emotionally attached to their "father."
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How are Viz's releases of this series? Any edits? Bad translations? Censoring?
I would like to know this as well. Those are the reasons I don't buy their translation of One Piece (until they make a special edition).
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I already bought all of Viz's One Piece volumes. I'm actually fine with them, only 2 things bother me (Zolo and Roguetown, but whenever I read them I always read it as Zoro and Loguetown anyway). Everything else seems fine.
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It only says that its unknown or unmeasurable. The 4 beasts only have a level 100 estimate. They can be higher than that.
I'm curious about the strongest beast in the human world, said to have a capture level of 100 and that Toriko said he would face soon. How will that play out given the fact that he is already facing a beast from the Gourmet World which is probably stronger than that beast? Will he even face it after this despite what he said?
At this point I'm convinced they're one and the same. Toriko said he'd have to fight that beast soon, it's the last on Ichiryuu's list, and if the writer wanted the Four Beasts to have levels above 100 he probably would've said Unknown or Immeasurable, but instead he said estimated at 100. So I'm convinced at this point there is no separate capture level 100 beast.
Though if we're talking about abandoned plot points, I'm still waiting for Komatsu to attempt cooking Ichiryuu's Hors-D'oeuvre…
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But Toriko said that any creature that lives in the Human World only has a capture level up to 100, and then he added that that creature is a famous one that he will fight it in the near future.
These 4 beasts are clearly from the Gourmet world, they don't live on the human world and they only come to the human world once in hundreds of years.
Seems different to me. But maybe you are right.
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But Toriko said that any creature that lives in the Human World only has a capture level up to 100, and then he added that that creature is a famous one that he will fight it in the near future.
These 4 beasts are clearly from the Gourmet world, they don't live on the human world and they only come to the human world once in hundreds of years.
Seems different to me. But maybe you are right.
That would be weird though. If they can each take a gourmet world beast, then the highest level beast in the human world doesn't seem that much of a big deal, in comparison.
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Did anyone else get the possible actual reason for Zebra turning off the video? Ichiryu is basically saying goodye to his sons, and I love the idea that deep down, under all that cranky badassness, Zebura is the one who's most emotionally attached to their "father."
Yeah…it's as if he expects to die.
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Is the RAW for volume 20 out already?
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@No:
That would be weird though. If they can each take a gourmet world beast, then the highest level beast in the human world doesn't seem that much of a big deal, in comparison.
Yes, that is what got me curious.
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But Toriko said that any creature that lives in the Human World only has a capture level up to 100, and then he added that that creature is a famous one that he will fight it in the near future.
These 4 beasts are clearly from the Gourmet world, they don't live on the human world and they only come to the human world once in hundreds of years.
Seems different to me. But maybe you are right.
The Shinjū are estimated to be at CLV 100 only because this is the highest CLV in the Human World and they're the only known Gourmet World beasts that come to the Human World once in several hundreds of years. In a way, they're considered also as Human World beasts.
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But Toriko said that any creature that lives in the Human World only has a capture level up to 100, and then he added that that creature is a famous one that he will fight it in the near future.
These 4 beasts are clearly from the Gourmet world, they don't live on the human world and they only come to the human world once in hundreds of years.
Seems different to me. But maybe you are right.
Most likely the beast is in the same isotope as the final ingredient for the president's full course.
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Yeah…it's as if he expects to die.
Well, my guess is that the upcoming battle against the Bishokukai in the Gourmet World will be without the 4 Heavenly Kings. Then probably many people will die, and that's why Shima introduced all this disciples like Melk II, Teppei or even Ohban. But I can see people falling on the other side too, for example when Dores would die, Niceny could take his place.
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Well, my guess is that the upcoming battle against the Bishokukai in the Gourmet World will be without the 4 Heavenly Kings. Then probably many people will die, and that's why Shima introduced all this disciples like Melk II, Teppei or even Ohban. But I can see people falling on the other side too, for example when Dores would die, Niceny could take his place.
Edit:
Just found this btw:
http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/20119/9ee973201189150.jpgWhy would Dores die instead of maybe one of the sous chefs ? Unlike them he's literaly had 2 panels of screentime.
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Well, my guess is that the upcoming battle against the Bishokukai in the Gourmet World will be without the 4 Heavenly Kings. Then probably many people will die, and that's why Shima introduced all this disciples like Melk II, Teppei or even Ohban. But I can see people falling on the other side too, for example when Dores would die, Niceny could take his place.
Yes, the same goes for me except for the example.
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@CaptainAppleJack: Where did you find it? Maybe whoever submitted it also submitted the character profiles from that volume x3
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I said before that there could be two major arcs to this manga (a God one, and a devil one). If something like that happens, I can possibly see Ichiryu and Midora both dying in battle, and being replaced figuratively by Toriko and Staarjyun, and them fighting each other (really fighting each other) in the second arc. Staar is interested in God, of course, but he really seems more interested in whatever this mystery ingredient he's searching for is (and it may be the real reason he's in Gourmet world right now, considering he seemed reluctant to go there earlier). If he took over the Bishokukai, it would give him a very strong power base to search for this mystery ingredient in GW.
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@No:
Why would Dores die instead of maybe one of the sous chefs ? Unlike them he's literaly had 2 panels of screentime.
I mean, he could die in the case the war is shown in the manga and he gets quite a bit screentime in it. Also he is one of the older members and with Niceny has a successor (kind of). From the sous chefs Grinpatch and Staarjyun seem far too important to die there, while it would make sense for Tommyrod, seeing how he already had a big fight and all.
But that's just me fantasizing all in all.^^@Skadi: A user called Unok uploaded it on Mangahelpers. Dunno if he will post the files later on, but right now I can't see anything there.
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Toriko, Coco and Sunny would care if it was their pet doing the destruction. But its Zebra and he just doesn't care.
The others just know better than calling him on it… It wouldn't change a thing :D
Well the buildings being destoryed is probably fine since people were evacuated anyways…They probably had all sorts of plans in place o rebuild. A little bit of Zebra collateral damage is nothing lol.
Before the battle of Marineford, a huge volcano destroys half the residences
Akainu: 'Sup guys!
Sengoku: Akainu, why did you just demolish the town for no reason?
Akainu: Whaaaat? C'mon, the houses were empty! And you're seriously not suggesting I show up in a normal, restrained, non-flashy fashion are you? Besides, Whitebeard would propably have wrecked them anyway.Seriously, Zebra is causing untold millions of property damage, rendering millions homeless, and killing everyone who might still be around, and it's for absolutely no reason. They are going to ambush the beasts on the borders to the gourmet world anyway, i.e. not in the city, so having the horse plow its way back and forth is tremendously stupid. Incidentially, the ambush also renders the mass evacuation rather pointless.
And sure, Toriko and the others wouldn't have done the same, but no one questions the fact that Zebras pet is wiping a city off the map. Because this is how the Torikoverse rolls.
basically:Besides, the awesomeness outweight the moral issues in this case hehe
Which is what I was getting at. Toriko will always, without fail, choose exaggarated extremes over any attempt to make sense. It constitutes almost the entirety of the series charm. I can deal with the "MOST XXX OF YYY TIMES A MILLION EVER!" extremes just fine in a slightly smiling head shaking way. But stuff like this, and Zebras release from prison, where IGO throws the entire human world into jeopardy because Training Session time!, is when it becomes a bit too much for me.
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I think the difference between Akainu and Zebra is that Zebra is considered a dangerous criminal, and a danger to the world in general, and was once on death row (even if it was by his own choice) The only reason he got out of prison was because the President of the IGO is his adoptive father.
I know his character was developed a little when it was revealed all the species he ate into extinction were dangerous creatures, it still didn't change the fact that he can be an asshole though.
This just shows that all of those countries were fearful of his release for good reason, and Zebra is still a criminal who happens to get away with what he does because of who he is. (other than them worrying about him affecting the price of food)
Other than that, I assume that the other three, and Zebra knew those building were evacuated thanks to Toriko's smell, Zebra's hearing, and Coco's sight, so they didn't make a big deal over the fact that he was destroying property.
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Megazords and stuff wreck the living shit out of the cities they are supposedly protecting and those cities are not evacueted either.
I guess Toriko is something along these lines.
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This is a series that has a snake as long as the equator, there can be no sense making after that
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I. LOVE. This Series.
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I don't know if this was said before ( though i don't think so ), but i just noticed the dessert on Zebra's full course is "Dharma / Daruma Hermit's Tribute" and that he said he borrowed his horse from a dharma hermit. What the hell are them?
To Daz: I love this series to death and those things don't bother me, but i can't say you're wrong, i'm grateful that people have different likes. Anyways, if Zebra is a mf he is a mf, not everybody in the "good" side have to act equal. And since Gourmet Town is huge, i don't think the horse damaged even the 0.1% of his structure, the people who lose their homes will obviously get new ones free ( or they should ).
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This is a series that has a snake as long as the equator
And if we factor in that theory,according to which Troiko earth is multiple times bigger than the our's…
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Zebra being awesome > BILLIONS on damaged buildings.
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Toriko-Kenshiro
Coco-Toki(cause Coco is all altruistic and shit)
Sunny-Jagi(Jagi was concerned with his looks:ninja:)
Zebra-RaohIchiiryu-Ryuken
Pay no attention,I just felt like messing around.:ninja:
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Lol it doesn't matter if they replace their homes, those houses still contained treasured possessions, no?
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Why would they leave those treasured possesions behind?That would make those possesions…not so treasured.
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But Toriko said that any creature that lives in the Human World only has a capture level up to 100, and then he added that that creature is a famous one that he will fight it in the near future.
These 4 beasts are clearly from the Gourmet world, they don't live on the human world and they only come to the human world once in hundreds of years.
Seems different to me. But maybe you are right.
Yeah, it's what Toriko said that really makes me think this is the creature he was talking about. If it was a different creature that he'd have to fight soon, then he would've done it by now because it would've been on Ichiryuu's list. The fact this is the last one that's estimated at lv. 100, and is coming to the Human World has me convinced they're one and the same. And like No Maam said, if they weren't it would make that other creature kinda pointless by comparison.
In other thoughts, if we actually see Zebura and the other kings fight, it's really gonna speak for how much stronger Zebura is than the rest of them (or if he actually is stronger than them still). I was thinking at this point all the kings would be equal, but Zebura having tamed that beast and thinking about how he has immeasurable beasts still on his full course, I'm wondering if he still might be the strongest of the 4.
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Lol it doesn't matter if they replace their homes, those houses still contained treasured possessions, no?
Why would they leave those treasured possesions behind?That would make those possesions…not so treasured.
Nothing to add, and i don't really see it like a fact of importance in the manga neither
Zebra being awesome > BILLIONS on damaged buildings.
And no main character complains nor says anything about the damages, that's what makes this so enjoyable
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Why would they leave those treasured possesions behind?That would make those possesions…not so treasured.
Because in a state of global emergency where the entire human race is shoved into a single plaza (lol) to avoid being devoured, you have time to pack all your belongings with you, rite?
I think the difference between Akainu and Zebra is that Zebra is considered a dangerous criminal, and a danger to the world in general, and was once on death row (even if it was by his own choice) The only reason he got out of prison was because the President of the IGO is his adoptive father.
I know his character was developed a little when it was revealed all the species he ate into extinction were dangerous creatures, it still didn't change the fact that he can be an asshole though.
This just shows that all of those countries were fearful of his release for good reason, and Zebra is still a criminal who happens to get away with what he does because of who he is. (other than them worrying about him affecting the price of food)
I only wrote the Akainu thing as an example, I know the characters are completely different.
For Zebra, regardless of his crimes the fact remains that he was one of the top criminal in the worlds top prison, jailed for years and subjected to gods know how many execution attempts. But suddenly Toriko needs a training buddy, so heres a pardon right out of the blue, even if it plunges the world into financial chaos!Other than that, I assume that the other three, and Zebra knew those building were evacuated thanks to Toriko's smell, Zebra's hearing, and Coco's sight, so they didn't make a big deal over the fact that he was destroying property.
Thats just assuming things. There is no explanation, no justification; That Zebras pet is doing the equivalent of a month-long Godzilla siege on Tokyo just isn't an issue in this series. Next arc we could see earthquakes causing major damage to cities and people fleeing in terror, which turns out to just be caused by Toriko riding the Express Mole (lvl 99) to get to his next destination faster.
Side note: I was half joking earlier, but c'mon really? Millions of people losing their homes, businesses getting destroyed, infrastructure royally fucked for no reason -especially since this is the place supposed to be protected- is no biggie because lol it can just get rebuilt in like 2 seconds right, people wont even notice being homeless/jobless/companyless!
Toriko as a series is outrageous, stupid, and good simple fun. But don't pretend it makes sense, or is a working fictional world.
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Basicly the whole idea of all the countries in the world completely depopulating themselves is kinda…..realy dumb to begin with, but I'll rather ignore that, anyway.
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@The:
Because in a state of global emergency where the entire human race is shoved into a single plaza (lol) to avoid being devoured, you have time to pack all your belongings with you, rite?
I could see how stuff like Grandma's Precious Antique Hand-Crafted Cupboard could be left behind,but surely it wasn't so abrupt that they wouldn't have time to pack things like jewelry,right?I mean,it's not like some people came running out of their showers with just their towels on…or did they?
At any rate,IGO will have to pay them compensations equivalent to market value of those possesions.Damn,keeping Zebra around is so damn expensive.
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Well the techniques and other things in Toriko makes roughly 500% more sense than in One Piece. Also you can't compare the real world to Toriko's world because here the most precious things are money and assets, but there, it's food. Everything is based around food, the economy, the amusement industry, everything. Mansam stated that there are enough food for everyone so people were relieved. Yeah, Zebra's pet destroyed a few thousand buildings, so what? In One Piece the marines would blow up entire islands if necessary and Kizaru casually destroyed an entire mangrove tree which probably caused hundreds of deaths and god knows how many values were lost. These things you mentioned, Daz, are just cherrypicks which noone cares about, but hey, it's your opinion (note:not a fact) so I'm not going to argue with that.
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Talking about the subject a little more seriously, I think the destruction of the buildings by Zebra's beast is important for Zebra's character.
Once again it shows us how Zebra is different from the others Kings, how much more violent he is and how he doesn't really concern himself with the full degree of destruction that sometimes his rampages or actions cause.
It was probably this troublesome factor that landed him in jail (besides destroying those harmful species) and these tidbits are important to not let us forget how he is.
And they only let him out of jail because they need him.
He's not evil but he really is an anti-hero.
This is my opinion on it. So, it doesn't bother me at all. I like it even.
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To put in in Zebra's words:
Whooooooooo the hell cares?!
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Those buildings were getting cocky anyway…
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In other thoughts, if we actually see Zebura and the other kings fight, it's really gonna speak for how much stronger Zebura is than the rest of them (or if he actually is stronger than them still). I was thinking at this point all the kings would be equal, but Zebura having tamed that beast and thinking about how he has immeasurable beasts still on his full course, I'm wondering if he still might be the strongest of the 4.
About Zebra, I think for Shima it has been clear since the beginning that Zebra is the strongest of the 4 Heavenly Kings. It was stated by Toriko himself when he was freed from the jail, and it has been confirmed offscreen by his full course's immeasurable ingredients and by the Dharma Horse he tamed (Regal Mammooth sized).
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maybe it wasn't walking on buildings guys. Maybe it was just carefully walking on the roads inbetween the buildings
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@The:
But don't pretend it makes sense, or is a working fictional world.
I can't stress this enough:
A snake
that wraps around THE EQUATOR
What does it EAT? How does it BREATHE, for that matter?
The nonsensical design of all these beasties also really gets to me, I like it when fantastical beasts have some sort of evolutionary benefit to their fantastical qualities, as opposed to "oh this tree just sprouts beer cans for no reason lol"
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I can't stress this enough:
A snake
that wraps around THE EQUATOR
What does it EAT? How does it BREATHE, for that matter?
The nonsensical design of all these beasties also really gets to me, I like it when fantastical beasts have some sort of evolutionary benefit to their fantastical qualities, as opposed to "oh this tree just sprouts beer cans for no reason lol"
I think Quinn was shown eating a frog like animal before. And I'd suppose breaths air like normal animals.
http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/toriko/149/3/Those buildings were getting cocky anyway…
Nice! Besides, how can you blame a horse for stepping on pretty flowers.
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maybe it wasn't walking on buildings guys. Maybe it was just carefully walking on the roads inbetween the buildings
Still ruining those roads.
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I can't stress this enough:
A snake
that wraps around THE EQUATOR
What does it EAT? How does it BREATHE, for that matter?
The nonsensical design of all these beasties also really gets to me, I like it when fantastical beasts have some sort of evolutionary benefit to their fantastical qualities, as opposed to "oh this tree just sprouts beer cans for no reason lol"
It is said that it can almost wrap itself around the world. I believe that was what stated (according to hiwamatanoboru.com, I looked it up in chapter 148). Not that it was proven to do such a thing (how would they prove it anyway?).
I didn't take it as factual but more as an exageration of the truth told in old stories, kind of like the Battle Wolf and the Devil Snake being rivals, when its obvious that they really aren't since the battle wolf is on another complete level. It was just said, like in legend (and even in the legend, it supposed to almost be able to do it, not actually do it).
An adult mother snake is probably long enough for such legends to exist since a single person will never be able to see the full extension of the beast's body (except perhaps from space).
In Toriko's world there is a lot of "mythology" like that and even though many of those things are true it doesn't mean that all of them are, especially with most of the world still uncharted.
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Keep in mind though, they said these snakes were rarely spotted and live underground. Plus snakes in general never have their body out in a straight line.
About Zebra, I think for Shima it has been clear since the beginning that Zebra is the strongest of the 4 Heavenly Kings. It was stated by Toriko himself when he was freed from the jail, and it has been confirmed offscreen by his full course's immeasurable ingredients and by the Dharma Horse he tamed (Regal Mammooth sized).
We're saying the same thing here lol. I was just saying I originally thought this training would close the gap a lot, because the Zebura we seen fighting with Toriko during the Mellow Cola was obviously stronger than him, but not by that much (as they were both having trouble with a Capture Level 92 together). But clearly Zebura has only gotten stronger since then, so he probably still has quite the lead on the other 3. Which I'm glad; I've always liked him being the strongest of the Kings.
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I could see how stuff like Grandma's Precious Antique Hand-Crafted Cupboard could be left behind,but surely it wasn't so abrupt that they wouldn't have time to pack things like jewelry,right?I mean,it's not like some people came running out of their showers with just their towels on…or did they?
At any rate,IGO will have to pay them compensations equivalent to market value of those possesions.Damn,keeping Zebra around is so damn expensive.
ITT: everything of REAL value, personal or otherwise, can be carried with you in the case of an extreme emergency where the entirety of humanity has to fit in a square. No such things at irreplaceable objects exists, and monetary compensation to buy new stuff after your old stuff is destroyed for absolutely no reason makes everything ok because it's not like you could possibly like your old stuff. Also, new buildings pop out of the ground the second the wait time is over.
Seriously, even if people recieved full monetary compensation afterawrds, does it not occur to you that people might still prefer not to lose everything they own? For no reason? The military could blow up your house in a training excersise, but as long as they give you a check afterwards, no harm done?Well the techniques and other things in Toriko makes roughly 500% more sense than in One Piece.
what
@projectelf:Also you can't compare the real world to Toriko's world because here the most precious things are money and assets, but there, it's food. Everything is based around food, the economy, the amusement industry, everything. Mansam stated that there are enough food for everyone so people were relieved. Yeah, Zebra's pet destroyed a few thousand buildings, so what?
In One Piece the marines would blow up entire islands if necessary and Kizaru casually destroyed an entire mangrove tree which probably caused hundreds of deaths and god knows how many values were lost.What
These are terrible examples. First, the Buster Call is done deliberately, for a reason, and is widely considered a deplorable act in the OP world.
Secondly, yeah Kizaru knocked down the Mangrove tree. He did it as he was apprehending pirates (i.e. for more of a reason than Zebra), but yeah, it was pretty excessive. Guess what? That's exactly what is acknowledged as in-story. Both the marines and Kizaru state that he really overdid it.I'll try another example.
Four pest fighters are hired to protect a field.
They're all going to intercept a swarm of bugs at four points outside the field.
Before that, they have a meeting in the field.
Pest fighter #4 rides a bulldozer to the meeting.These things you mentioned, Daz, are just cherrypicks which noone cares about, but hey, it's your opinion (note:not a fact) so I'm not going to argue with that.
In this series, theres no point in caring about them. But people shouldn't pretend it makes sense, or is excusable either, which is what gets to me.
Talking about the subject a little more seriously, I think the destruction of the buildings by Zebra's beast is important for Zebra's character.
Once again it shows us how Zebra is different from the others Kings, how much more violent he is and how he doesn't really concern himself with the full degree of destruction that sometimes his rampages or actions cause.
It was probably this troublesome factor that landed him in jail (besides destroying those harmful species) and these tidbits are important to not let us forget how he is.
And they only let him out of jail because they need him.
He's not evil but he really is an anti-hero.
This is my opinion on it. So, it doesn't bother me at all. I like it even.
They only let him out of jail because they wanted Torikos training done slightly faster. He could have trained some more first and done it by himself, or tagged along with someone else. Zebra was not needed. And even if he was, he was needed for Ichiryuus buddy to go on a field trip = extremely selfish excuse to cause global chaos.
And dude, the first thing Zebra did when released was brutally murder people who sniggered at him. What character have you been following that you need a Star Destroyer sized horse mowing down a city to remember "Oh right, Zebra is a bit more rowdy than the others"I can't stress this enough:
A snake
that wraps around THE EQUATOR
What does it EAT? How does it BREATHE, for that matter?
A SPECIES of snakes that wrap around the equator. And is appearantly so tough, that all the gourmet world creatures bow down to it (yeah right).
I'm just wondering how the snake deals with beasts eating it alive 1000 miles away.It is said that it can almost wrap itself around the world. I believe that was what stated (according to hiwamatanoboru.com, I looked it up in chapter 148). Not that it was proven to do such a thing (how would they prove it anyway?).
I didn't take it as factual but more as an exageration of the truth told in old stories, kind of like the Battle Wolf and the Devil Snake being rivals, when its obvious that they really aren't since the battle wolf is on another complete level. It was just said, like in legend (and even in the legend, it supposed to almost be able to do it, not actually do it).
An adult mother snake is probably long enough for such legends to exist since a single person will never be able to see the full extension of the beast's body (except perhaps from space).
In Toriko's world there is a lot of "mythology" like that and even though many of those things are true it doesn't mean that all of them are, especially with most of the world still uncharted.
You can't just say it's "mythology" and brush off any gaping problems that might be present. Mythology or no, the snake is still impossibly big, and the notion that Battle wolf and Devil serpent could ever have had anything resembling a rivalry, the entire foundation for this particular "legend", is laughable. Toriko throws around titles and numbers so much that they lose all meaning.
The devil serpent, at a pathetic level 20, is a "legendary demon beast!!", and in the colloseum it was fighting "Famous wild beasts!"Guys, to reiterate, the only thing I was trying to convey was that Zebras complete totalling of a city for no reason being a non-issue went to show exactly what kind of series this is. I did not expect people to
- justify the carnage in terms of plotholes or character development
- claim that untold destruction of property is "no biggie lol get over it"
I will guarantee you that Shima has put no more thought into this than "I'll give Zebra a pet so big that it crushes a city like gravel because FUCK YEAH WHY NOT"
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@The:
They only let him out of jail because they wanted Torikos training done slightly faster. He could have trained some more first and done it by himself, or tagged along with someone else. Zebra was not needed. And even if he was, he was needed for Ichiryuus buddy to go on a field trip = extremely selfish excuse to cause global chaos.
And dude, the first thing Zebra did when released was brutally murder people who sniggered at him. What character have you been following that you need a Star Destroyer sized horse mowing down a city to remember "Oh right, Zebra is a bit more rowdy than the others"Of course not. All 4 of them are needed. Zebra is even the strongest of them, so he probably is even more needed.
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You mean now? I meant back at his initial discharge.
And seeing as how any 0th biotope member should be able to contain this threat all by him/herself, none of the 4 heavenly kings (that name rings so false when you consider their strenght level at the start) are really needed.
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@The:
You can't just say it's "mythology" and brush off any gaping problems that might be present. Mythology or no, the snake is still impossibly big, and the notion that Battle wolf and Devil serpent could ever have had anything resembling a rivalry, the entire foundation for this particular "legend", is laughable. Toriko throws around titles and numbers so much that they lose all meaning.
The devil serpent, at a pathetic level 20, is a "legendary demon beast!!", and in the colloseum it was fighting "Famous wild beasts!"Doesn't sound that you are disagreeing with me at all. The only thing I said was that whenever someones says "it is said" they aren't exactly talking about facts. They are talking about stories they heard like, for example, the battle wolf and Devil Snake rivalry (which was proven to be nothing more than a story).
So, if they are saying that "it is said that the mother snake grows almost long enough to encircle the planet", we should treat that information with a grain of salt, not as it was fact like most people are doing, especially since we already have at least one example in the manga where what was said didn't correspond to the truth at all (Battle Wolf and Devil Snake). Its just what Toriko heard people say, a legend basicaly. Whether its really true or not hasn't been confirmed at all.
@The:
You mean now? I meant back at his initial discharge.
And seeing as how any 0th biotope member should be able to contain this threat all by him/herself, none of the 4 heavenly kings (that name rings so false when you consider their strenght level at the start) are really needed.
They all knew that the war was close, especially the president. They need all the strong people they can get, not just the strongest. And that means having Toriko, Coco, Sunny and Zebra ready to be useful. And Zebra is the strongest after all, so he is even more useful. So, they needed Zebra released even if Toriko didn't need him for his training.