Yeah… If Luffy were never outmatched in the entire second half of the story, I'd be very disappointed.
One word: Yonkō.
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it would be nice to know how many pirates are actually in the NW, because you definitely don't have to be a yonkou to be a major threat, or even part of their crew. it could give us an idea on how many people could be in the SH's power tier/above it too, if we think that people like CC and wergo are within like an hours reach of paradise and they certainly aren't weak, i wonder if the NW will progressively power up like the first half of the GL did. If so we're gonna have one hell of an adventure.
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He was able to beat Moria he just was exhausted and when Kuma came he couldn't even put up a fight. Much like on SA, granted Kizaru could have owned all of them by himself but if Sentoumaru and the Pacifista hadn't shown up then they probably could have escaped. I think another situation will arise where the SHs are exhausted and then another enemy arrives like if they beat Big Mam, the fact that they even fight her would make massive news in the WG quickly. So Akainu could show up when the crew is exhausted from fighting Big Mam or even having to fight CC then Virgo and take care of the Slime. But I do understand that them being outmatched by opponents to the level of Aokiji or Kizaru or Sentoumaru (if Luffy were to fight any of those 1v1 pre-TS) might not happen but seeing them get beaten could happen. I mean Law was owned by Virgo and remember what the pirates Kid beat said "Let us go back to the first half, compared to the New World it's paradise". I think the New World is going to be a constant barrage of opponents that challenge Luffy apart from Hordy I think there won't be many Don Krieg or Kuro opponents (meaning people Luffy has no trouble with).
See, but there's a difference. If Luffy is outmatched in the same way he was outmatched by the admirals, then that's no good, because he needs to be Pirate King level at the culmination of this journey. This half shouldn't end in separation and two years of training. This half ends with Luffy conquering the New World.
So even if he's outmatched I don't think it's at the level of fearing losing his crew and having to ask to sacrifice himself. I think it'd be simply like he was outmatched by Crocodile and Lucci, but then he kept trying and eventually conquered them.
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See, but there's a difference. If Luffy is outmatched in the same way he was outmatched by the admirals, then that's no good, because he needs to be Pirate King level at the culmination of this journey. This half shouldn't end in separation and two years of training. This half ends with Luffy conquering the New World. So even if he's outmatched I don't think it's at the level of fearing losing his crew and having to ask to sacrifice himself. I think it'd be simply like he was outmatched by Crocodile and Lucci, but then he kept trying and eventually conquered them.
What about the possibility of another TS not a 2 yr one or even one with the SH separating but a training TS to deal with Blackbeard and whatever Yonkou or Shichibukai will be in the way of them conquering the GL? Though if I remember correctly the Roger Pirates were originally together before they even went to the GL then they came back together with Roger's sickness and conquered it in 4 years (i'm confused on the Roger pirate timeline)? I'm guessing another TS is not gonna happen because of that reason. I still just thought Zoro did something the captain should do for his crew but in the anime at least he seems like he is doing it because of Luffy's strength & potential to be PK and not because Luffy lacks ability or strength.
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it would be nice to know how many pirates are actually in the NW, because you definitely don't have to be a yonkou to be a major threat, or even part of their crew. it could give us an idea on how many people could be in the SH's power tier/above it too, if we think that people like CC and wergo are within like an hours reach of paradise and they certainly aren't weak, i wonder if the NW will progressively power up like the first half of the GL did. If so we're gonna have one hell of an adventure.
I'm a little worried about Shichibukai status now… Are they just gonna keep getting owned? LOL.
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I'm a little worried about Shichibukai status now… Are they just gonna keep getting owned? LOL.
Shichibukai are all about prestige and infamy not actual ability. I'm assuming Mihawk, Doflamingo, Kuma, and Hancock are all safe in their spots for now.
@Dragzoon: I see where you are going but didn't SA have a shit ton explosions because of Pacifista & Kizaru's lasers? I do get that CC blowing shit up as his only actual offensive ability is tedious but have faith in Oda.
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it would be nice to know how many pirates are actually in the NW,
There has to be a lot, considering that there were 43 crews that allied with Whitebeard. There are three other Yonkou who have their own territories, there's bound to be pirate crews in those waters as well, some allied with other yonkou/
because you definitely don't have to be a yonkou to be a major threat, or even part of their crew. it could give us an idea on how many people could be in the SH's power tier/above it too, if we think that people like CC and wergo are within like an hours reach of paradise and they certainly aren't weak, i wonder if the NW will progressively power up like the first half of the GL did. If so we're gonna have one hell of an adventure.
Too true, it was 1/3 the reason of why the Marines took the threat of Whitebeard so severely, (other reasons is crew strenght & loyalty, the Whitebeard himself).
I agree rest of OP will quite the adventure.
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Anyone else think that the introduction of 'Attack Cuisine' into the diets of the Strawhats will lead to a more steady increase of strength as they progress through the New World? It was introduced as a Chekov's Gun, and it would also help explain a sudden increase in the abilities of the Strawhats that would let them fight on a greater level.
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Anyone else think that the introduction of 'Attack Cuisine' into the diets of the Strawhats will lead to a more steady increase of strength as they progress through the New World? It was introduced as a Chekov's Gun, and it would also help explain a sudden increase in the abilities of the Strawhats that would let them fight on a greater level.
It will be interesting to see how it is used and what effects it will have. I wonder how much of it Sanji has taken in himself.
Maybe that's why Nami's body has been so strong this arc.
But time wise, I'm not sure if the Strawhats have been reunited for more then a couple days. -
It also doesn't help that Sanji hasn't cooked people food since he was passed out during that one moment of eating, and they just had lunch from Luffy's gigantic bag from Hancock.
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He made the meals that Luffy's group ate on the way to Punk Hazard, I thought… from the giant fish they caught?
Well, if not, then maybe we'll get Toriko-style descriptions of his cuisine.
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Zoro has CoC but will never use it because he is a swordman. We will learn it near the end of the series when Zoro will be forced to use it in order to save Luffy.
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He made the meals that Luffy's group ate on the way to Punk Hazard, I thought… from the giant fish they caught?
Thought the giant fish got burned up in the waters whent hey arrived at Punk Hazard… I need to go reread that chapter...
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Thought the giant fish got burned up in the waters whent hey arrived at Punk Hazard… I need to go reread that chapter...
They did have pirate lunchboxes of somesort while on the Mini-merry and then as they were entering through the hole zoro cut.
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They did have pirate lunchboxes of somesort while on the Mini-merry and then as they were entering through the hole zoro cut.
YEah, I remember the lunchboxes but culdn't remember if they got any pieces of the that deep-sea, deep fired fish.
Went to cheat and look, Sanji did get some pieces off of it -http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/655/3 -
So here comes another idea of how we should see the future of the Straw Hats…
And I think I see a sort of patern how many we can expect probably.
Let's put a list togheter..
East Blue
Zoro - 3 Style Swordsman - Master Type
Usopp
Sanji
Nami - Girl - Ranged AttacksGrand Line: Paradise
Chopper Robin - Women - Ranged Attacks Franky Brook - 1 style Swordsman - Speed Type So if we look at this we see a sort of pattern. The first sea gave us a women and a swordsman. Paradise brought us also a women and a swordsman.
Now we have seen that Kinemon fights with 2 swords, is the possibility to have a Samurai from the Country of Wano who just happens to use 2 swords join a crew of pirates? Where we now of that the Samurai's have no allegiance to someone and hate Pirates it seems? Well I see it possible.But if we even look further we can maybe even find something else hidden?
East Blue
Zoro - 3 Style Swordsman - Master Type (Physical)
Usopp - Ranged Fighter
Sanji - Physical Fighter
Nami - Girl - Ranged AttacksGrand Line: Paradise
Chopper - Physical Fighter Robin - Women - Ranged Attacks Franky - Ranged Fighter
Brook - 1 style Swordsman - Speed Type (Physical)
It's just something I happend to stumble upon. It is probably just nothing what I saw and maybe we can predict what Oda does. Maybe it's just a coincidence..
Another thing is that the two women of the ship both had some sort of disagreement with the Government. Nami with Nizumi who was just a small part of the WG then we got Robin who was targeted by the World Government so maybe we have the next women who has something much bigger than Robin who joins. If I have to put my money on that? Yeah you probably would hate me for even thinking it but this would be my list for the future what we could see…Grand Line: New World Jinbe - Physcial
Kinemon - 2 Style Swordsman - Power Style (Physical)
Bonney - Women - Ranged Attacks
Cabin Boy - Ranged Attacks.And if I have to take the whole conclusion I think the Cabin Boy will be the last member of the crew, will be a young boy who will be the apprentice of Luffy which takes the hat after him and has the fruit of Ace. n.n;
Probably more of a fanfic idea of mine, it just an idea. We dont have any proof and the story will tell what happens, I just wanted to share this with some people and see what they think about it. Just some gibberish or do you think that I have sort of a point in it?
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Also, yeah, we forgot the food right now… I am really looking forward what the food will do. Will it just gradually power them up somehow, or will it give a sort of boost like the power beans from DBZ.
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As I said before, Jimbei probably won't die.
! Brook will.
But how can you die when you're already dead? Yohohohohohoho
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Any of the SHs dying pre-Raftel wouldn't make much sense maybe in the first half of the Grand Line but at this point it would be like… Oh wait what was the point of even having them.
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We have all 11 Crewmembers, once Jinbe Joins. Besides him, the two other crew members have been part of the crew but away the whole time. Here's a hint: They'll be at the Summit, and will join there. Also, they've been in every animal cover page with the rest of the Strawhats since they "joined".
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
We have all 11 Crewmembers, once Jinbe Joins. Besides him, the two other crew members have been part of the crew but away the whole time. Here's a hint: They'll be at the Summit, and will join there. Also, they've been in every animal cover page with the rest of the Strawhats since they "joined".
I hope they join but it's doubtful and when I brought up the idea of them officially joining/re-joining people hated it. Still I could see major fighting enhancements/abilities for the one who isn't a duck. Only way they join if the WG becomes a threat to their country. I'd love to see them at the Reverie and help fight Doflamingo there.
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@Fire Fist:
We have all 11 Crewmembers, once Jinbe Joins. Besides him, the two other crew members have been part of the crew but away the whole time. Here's a hint: They'll be at the Summit, and will join there. Also, they've been in every animal cover page with the rest of the Strawhats since they "joined".
If Jinbe joins then they'll be 9 members and after that they'll be one more and the crew will be complete because remember Luffy is not counted among crew members, chapter titles can back me up on this. When Brook joined the chapter was dubbed "The Eighth" when including Luffy, there are nine members total.
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@Superbear:
If Jinbe joins then they'll be 9 members and after that they'll be one more and the crew will be complete because remember Luffy is not counted among crew members, chapter titles can back me up on this. When Brook joined the chapter was dubbed "The Eighth" when including Luffy, there are nine members total.
In the beginning of One Piece Luffy said he wanted 10 people in his crew does that mean that there will be 1 or 2 more crew members or zero? I'm still thinking Jinbe dies because of Big Mom.
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I wouldn't mind Vivi joining again but only if she can fight properly this time. Unless its a devil fruit power, I find it hard to imagine her getting strong enough to be one of the strawhats in just 2 years. As for Jinbei, I already made it clear that I won't consider him as a member until he officially does. Maybe he dies, maybe he joins, maybe he decided to stay with the sun pirates. Who knows? Only Oda.
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I wouldn't mind Vivi joining again but only if she can fight properly this time. Unless its a devil fruit power, I find it hard to imagine her getting strong enough to be one of the strawhats in just 2 years. As for Jinbei, I already made it clear that I won't consider him as a member until he officially does. Maybe he dies, maybe he joins, maybe he decided to stay with the sun pirates. Who knows? Only Oda.
You forget she's been gone a little over 2 years back after Alabasta arc. Vivi could easily be Nami or Usopp level or higher but I won't hold my breath, though the things she tried to attack Crocodile with would have been badass weapons if she had any skill with them. I agree with you on Jinbe, he's not a member like everyone else is saying even he said "ask me again [meaning at a later time] and will join [will as in the future as in not atm]"
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We're talking about the future pirate king's crew here, and Vivi wasn't even at Nami's level during Alabasta..
Why would Oda bring back someone who would just be at (probably lower) than Nami/Usopp's level now that they're in the New World??
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Agree with nodensuke. Even Vivi herself said during the post-Enies Lobby bit that she wouldn't have been able to keep up with them. And that was relatively a short time after Alabasta. The two years should have only widened the gap, since she's only remained in coziness of hot springs and such while each of the straw hats spent two years in the perfect conditions to become considerably stronger.
I see Vivi being useful in the sense of becoming queen and possibly having something to do with Pluton, since it was in Alabasta where Crocodile was looking for it. But as for her physically being in the ship that arrives at Raftel with all the other straw hats, I extremely doubt it.
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The people who read about the whole 10 crewmembers thing. It was stated that that was a misstranslation and in a databook it was said Luffy said he wanted atleast 10 crewmembers, which means the road for more stays open ;).
Plus it isn't an if Jinbe joins.. it is a when joining he will." I have created over a thousand blades. Unknown to death. Nor known to life. Have withstood pain to create many weapons. Yet, those hands will never hold anything. "
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The people who read about the whole 10 crewmembers thing. It was stated that that was a misstranslation and in a databook it was said Luffy said he wanted atleast 10 crewmembers, which means the road for more stays open ;).
Plus it isn't an if Jinbe joins.. it is a when joining he will.Apparently He'll die or break his promise to join Luffy. Or they are praying for it ,I forget which one.
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Legit question, who is faster, Brook or Sanji?
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Brook. Easily.
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That's actually a great question at this point. Who's the fastest Straw Hat?
I really enjoyed when in the anime they had a filler moment in which Usopp and Brook were saying they should have a running competition at some point. Also wonder about it considering the fact Sanji, Zoro and Luffy all at this point are able to mimic Soru. Well, I would assume so for Zoro and Sanji.
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I remember some times (rare ones true) where tehy show Usopp beign really fast. He took Aokiji by surprise when they first met them. Aokiji was just toying with SHs but his frown when Ussopp was able to grab Robin and get so far away is the short time it tok him to stomp his foot on Luffy showed he wasn't esxpecting him to be that fast. Then Usopp kept up with Brook when they were running away from the PX on SA.
But if we take some speed increasing technique (gear 2nd, suru ect) into account they should blow away others without it. So then beggs the question who is faster without a technique to increase speed and how much differenceis there with the increase?
I'm interest to see them have two races, one without using any techniques (so no gear 2nd ect) then one with using them. I'd expect Luffy (not seen Sanji go against Luffy's increased speed yet, but Luffy moved fast enought NOT to be seen at all) to win the latter one but Brook (nothing can be done about his being light due to all bones so his perfomance would stay the same)or Usopp win the first one -
IMO, from fastest to slowest:
Luffy
Sanji
Brook
Chopper (Walk Point)
Usopp
Nami
Zoro
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I hope they join but it's doubtful and when I brought up the idea of them officially joining/re-joining people hated it. Still I could see major fighting enhancements/abilities for the one who isn't a duck. Only way they join if the WG becomes a threat to their country. I'd love to see them at the Reverie and help fight Doflamingo there.
I always assumed that they were just considered "honorary" SH members rather than actual crew members. Also, they might be the reason why Chopper and Robin don't have chapter numbers (since Vivi and Carue would technically be the 5th and 6th). Its not like they're not doing anything–Pluton's probably going to come into play later in the series and being the princess/queen of the country hiding it might wind up being more valuable to the SH than Vivi would be on the ship with the rest of the crew.
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Brook. Easily.
Sanji is faster than Brook now but Brook was faster before the time skip also Brook gets tired very easy when he goes fast because his body is just bones yohohoho.
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@Law:
Sanji is faster than Brook now but Brook was faster before the time skip also Brook gets tired very easy when he goes fast because his body is just bones yohohoho.
Hasn't Sanji always been faster than Brook?
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It's really tough to say.
Sanji can't run over water that we know of, nor can he damage enemies so quickly that they don't realize it. But then those kind of things are simply techniques or things Brook can do due to either specific training or being just bones.
Likewise, Sanji has undoubtedly the strongest legs in the crew so much he's the fastest in water and can fly. But still, he's much heavier and on a fair footrace it would be hard to know who would win between him, brook, and even Usopp. -
It's really tough to say.
Sanji can't run over water that we know of, nor can he damage enemies so quickly that they don't realize it. But then those kind of things are simply techniques or things Brook can do due to either specific training or being just bones.
Likewise, Sanji has undoubtedly the strongest legs in the crew so much he's the fastest in water and can fly. But still, he's much heavier and on a fair footrace it would be hard to know who would win between him, brook, and even Usopp.It'd be hard to believe Sanji is the fastest underwater but not on land. Also considering he can run in water I'm guessing he could run on water if he wanted to at this point.
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It's really tough to say.
Sanji can't run over water that we know of, nor can he damage enemies so quickly that they don't realize it. But then those kind of things are simply techniques or things Brook can do due to either specific training or being just bones.
Likewise, Sanji has undoubtedly the strongest legs in the crew so much he's the fastest in water and can fly. But still, he's much heavier and on a fair footrace it would be hard to know who would win between him, brook, and even Usopp.Why the hell do you people keep saying Usopp is fast? when Usopp fights the weakest enemy's you cannot compare him with the others in his fights!
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I think people are referring to Usopp being fast when he's running away, not fast as in kick to the shin or sword though the olive.
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It'd be hard to believe Sanji is the fastest underwater but not on land. Also considering he can run in water I'm guessing he could run on water if he wanted to at this point.
Speed is Luffy's area. Gear second is the fastest movement we have seen so far (not counting Kizaru), perfectly demonstrated in front of Smoker/Tashigi.
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Sanji is the fastest underwater due to Blue Walk, but on land only Sky Walk seperates him from the others, which doesn't increase his speed at all. They are techniques, not (only) consequences of hard training.
I like to think of Zoro representing strength and Sanji the agility based fighter, with Luffy having the best of both worlds.
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Speed is Luffy's area. Gear second is the fastest movement we have seen so far (not counting Kizaru), perfectly demonstrated in front of Smoker/Tashigi.
Sanji is the fastest underwater due to Blue Walk, but on land only Sky Walk seperates him from the others, which doesn't increase his speed at all. They are techniques, not (only) consequences of hard training.
I like to think of Zoro representing strength and Sanji the agility based fighter, with Luffy having the best of both worlds.
I agree with you 100%
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Zoro shouldn't be considered as a slow character too. Fishmen commented to him being faster than a fishman in underwater when he cut Hody.
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Zoro shouldn't be considered as a slow character too. Fishmen commented to him being faster than a fishman in underwater when he cut Hody.
He might be the slowest of all Monster Trio but I don't see him below that.It depends what you mean by "fast". Attack movement or running speed? They're both different things.
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It depends what you mean by "fast". Attack movement or running speed? They're both different things.
Very true. I'd put Sanji then Usopp then Brook in order of running speed. Luffy then Zoro then Sanji in order of attack speed. But regardless of your opinion it's hard to back any of this up except Sanji's speed underwater which was mentioned by Usopp
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Very true. I'd put Sanji then Usopp then Brook in order of running speed. Luffy then Zoro then Sanji in order of attack speed. But regardless of your opinion it's hard to back any of this up except Sanji's speed underwater which was mentioned by Usopp
Chopper should be in there somewhere as well. Also didn't Nami out run lightning at one point?
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Apparently He'll die or break his promise to join Luffy. Or they are praying for it ,I forget which one.
At this point I think people see it as a "too obvious" route, that's why they come out with these "He'll die/we won't see him again" theories.
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At this point I think people see it as a "too obvious" route, that's why they come out with these "He'll die/we won't see him again" theories.
The best part is they have no evidence nor basis for thinking like that ,I feel like it's a personal desire some would love to see happen.
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At this point I think people see it as a "too obvious" route, that's why they come out with these "He'll die/we won't see him again" theories.
Also all that set up was washed away, no matter how much this is argued no can say that the straw-hats couldn't have immediately aided Jinbe, but did they? No. I don't think he's going to die but I don't he'll join the crew. However I would perfer him over Kinemon.
The best part is they have no evidence nor basis for thinking like that ,I feel like it's a personal desire some would love to see happen.
How about them Zoans?
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@Superbear:
How about them Zoans?
Don't worry Super ,you're right for now and I acknowledged that like forever ago ,but there is alot of One Piece left to go and we still don't know the full potential of Kinemon's Df ability. So talk to me when he's gone or joins the crew.
No one ever suspected Brook would be able to do the things he does now with his df.
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@Superbear:
Also all that set up was washed away, no matter how much this is argued no can say that the straw-hats couldn't have immediately aided Jinbe, but did they? No. I don't think he's going to die but I don't he'll join the crew. However I would perfer him over Kinemon.
Correction ,it's washed away for you. All of that set up is still there cough They may war with Big Mom cough besides Nami said it herself it would be better that they advance at their own pace.
So tell me your theory of why Jinbe wont join the crew? what basis do you have for saying this?
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