It doesn't look like Tsubone's crying to me, I think those are just wrinkles. And I agree with RPGJay, I think she was called off because Killua woulda just teleported them out either way.
Hunter x Hunter II
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It's not really any different from Aisa being born with observation haki, and that worked well for One Piece.
If you look at Neon even now she has never even understood that her power was from nen.
Just b/c something similar happened in OP doesn't make it good. I didn't like Aisa being born w/ CoO as much as I didn't like Ace being born w/ CoQ. But the difference here is that those weren't really a major plot points and they can be ignored easily (just like how you can easily ignore Pell's survival) and the same can be said about Neon. However Alluka already has a huge impact on the story.
Not really. Ging had absolute faith Gon would be healed but he didn't foresee Gon being wished back to health.
& Where did that faith come from? oh, yeah… it came b/c Gon had friends... really convincing.
Neon had no idea her powers were based around Nen. To a lesser extent neither did Komugi.
Besides as we've been saying in this thread for awhile (and as these last few chapters regarding Illumi and Alluka have pointed out) there's no way Killua can honor his promise to be together with Alluka as long as It's powers are still intact. So either something big is going to happen soon or this promise is going to end tragically.
That has nothing to do w/ anything I said.
The main goal of Hunter X Hunter is not just Gon finding his father, it's about Gon just wanting to explore the world as a Hunter. If Gon had really wanted to find Ging sooner he would've done things like inquired more about Ging's location from Kite when he had the chance. Or like with Greed Island Gon was explicitly told there was not a clue in the game about how to find Ging and Gon was okay with that. Granted we later learn that was partially a lie since winning the game would allow a way to see Ging but Gon had no idea about that until he won.
I already had this discussion before on this board sometime ago & I'm not gonna repeat myself, if you are interested feel free to check my post history in the old HxH thread, it's not that long.
To give you the short version: Gon's behavior to getting info about Ging location from Kite is identical to Luffy's behavior to getting info about One Piece from Rayleigh. Now if Luffy wake up one day & found himself on raftel w/ One Piece (whatever it is) in his hands/reach and decided to move on & continue adventure anyway, would you retain your interest in the series? If yes, then OK, you're entitled to your own opinion.And apologizing to Kite is a big deal. It's like having Luffy see Shanks killed in front of his eyes, you can't just walk away from that. Even if Kite's memories are likely gone it is still an important event that has to be done.
For the life of me I can't understand what Gon want to apologize for? for being weak? Ging perfectly explained that it's Kaito's fault. If so then his apology is stupid and I'm not interested in seeing it. Besides; what is his apology will resolve anyway?
So your hopes are that the story switches from the two main characters whom have been the central and most important focus of the entire series to either one man's revenge quest which at the moment has absolutely nothing to do with the current story or to an omnisexual mass murdering psychopath who lives just to plan his next kill?
I'm bored with these 2 main characters atm. I want to see more from one who actually has a target he's seeking and another who I consider an entertaining character. I'm not saying it's gonna actually happen, even though I do expect that Togashi has something in his mind for Kurapika.
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I should probably read through this arc again to fully understand Alluka's ability. With the art being kinda shoddy the past couple of chapters, I'm guessing Togashi might be taking another break soon. I hope not but it's Togashi so…...yeah.
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@Bad:
I already had this discussion before on this board sometime ago & I'm not gonna repeat myself, if you are interested feel free to check my post history in the old HxH thread, it's not that long.To give you the short version: Gon's behavior to getting info about Ging location from Kite is identical to Luffy's behavior to getting info about One Piece from Rayleigh. Now if Luffy wake up one day & found himself on raftel w/ One Piece (whatever it is) in his hands/reach and decided to move on & continue adventure anyway, would you retain your interest in the series? If yes, then OK, you're entitled to your own opinion.
They are not in the slightest the same.Finding one piece is a literal and figurative ending of the whole story, it s a huge plot device and the whole world revolves around it.Finding Ging doesn't have such importance for the flow of the story, and if you want proof, you just got it. Gon met Ging one chapter ago - Do you wanna stop reading now? Do you think HxH lost its soul and should end asap? No, because the story is (I said it again and again) about hunters doing huntery stuff in a great HxH-world.
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They are not in the slightest the same.Finding one piece is a literal and figurative ending of the whole story, it s a huge plot device and the whole world revolves around it.Finding Ging doesn't have such importance for the flow of the story, and if you want proof, you just got it. Gon met Ging one chapter ago - Do you wanna stop reading now? Do you think HxH lost its soul and should end asap? No, because the story is (I said it again and again) about hunters doing huntery stuff in a great HxH-world.
I didn't lose my interest in HXH but I honestly lost interest in Gon's adventure, as I just said I'm really hoping for a change in the main protagonist (again, I'm quite sure that won't happen, I just wish it). The story started with Gon searching for his father & we (I!) followed his adventures knowing this to be his goal. Now that this goal has no more meaning, It'll depend on what will be Gon's new motivation/goal, I might drop the series all together if I don't like it (except may be the parts when he's less involved).
@RPGJay: I just wanted to add that Ging DID foresee Gon's recovery, how else would you explain his: "this is bad" when he knew that he'll be stuck in the election room till the end?
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You see, this is exactly why I hate your stupid ass. "All this did"… You realize that this is a huge deal, right? Illumi, who was until now just a wall for Killua to overcome has now legit chances at becoming an actual villain instead. He's not going to let go of Alluka, which is going to end with her death, like robby said, or Illumi dying. Again, really fucking imporant.
And this is reason 2 why I want to beat your head with a shovel. What you just described is the very basis for telling a story. You knew Illumi and Killua would have a fight someday, so the story that has been build around is pointless?
That is like you saying: "puh man, all that story is just awful, making me gasp think?! I wish there was a shitty abriged version of it for me!"...what are you talking about?
Also, to everyone who thinks the whole chasing part at the beginning was pointless, It really wasn't. The only reason Killua did what he did was to heal gon, to most important thing obviously, but also keeping as much as possible secret from Illumi. Of course he could have told Illumi the whole thing about healing not having consequences, but that would and has been ultimately one of many clues that lead to Illumi's discovery about Alluka and Nanika. Killua wanted to prevent that during this whole arc and he failed. So how was everything easy in the end?
Also, stop whining about HxH being liked here because the shitty manga that you read get trashed daily. Your whole "I'm just telling the truth here and being branded as a troll for it"-routine is extremely pathetic. Maybe the reason why everyone jumps at the shit that you write is because you are an actual moron who doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about, and as a result gets gangbanged by this community every day.
If this forum is full of judgmental and aggressive fanboys like your constant whining indicates, why the fuck don't you just leave, it's not like anybody here isn't sick of your miserable existence.come on Sheep.. you are being to harsh on Hinsher.. he's not entirely right but he has a point. the only weakness about his argument is he only focusing on Alluka/Nanika is an asspull to save Gon while ignoring other awesome story/plot in this arc.
i mean, if this arc is over like this, it is really a bad writing on Togashi's part. but from what others members said, its not. calm down..
but if this arc is actually over, from some perspective and some part of this arc is no different then Bleach Substitute Shinigami arc.. -
I just wish for Killua to return to his old bad-ass self and stop crying like a baby. But you got to admit, this series really hit a low this time.
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The one thing that really irks me is this whole Killua is safe from any risks involving nanikas powers.
Right now I don't think that it was a particular smart move.
It really takes away from the nen system that had and inherit balance of power and risk which made it so elegant and great.Other than that I'm looking forward what the next arc is going to be.
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God you people are fickle. Two weeks ago "Oh my god, this series is better than One Piece, it's peerless at the moment and Oda is totally sucking right now". Two chapters later "Oh its crap. Is it going on hiatus again? What an ass. One Piece is finally good again though!"
Stories have highs and lows, build ups and climaxes. This arcs climax was killua revealing he could wish for Gon to be healed without a cost… which called Illumi off... FOR THE MOMENT. But now, that battle which had just started, was put on hold.... now that's going to escalate and have much bigger and more personal consequences.
@Bad:
This arc holds no merit since Ging "foresaw" how Gon will be healed. Fortune telling girl "born with it" abilities didn't make much sense in the nen-restrictions world, and now we have another one who's even far more hax… Brilliant.
Ging didn't forsee anything. He just saw that Gon had gathered competant loyal friends who would do everything they needed to save him, and so he trusted in them, sicne there wasn't exactly anything he could do personally. Ging was aware Gon had beaten Greed Island and fought the ants, so he could trust in their ability, as well as Gon's ability to survive. (and the full might of the Hunter organization behind them.)
Heck, he knows about the angel healing card on greed island, and thats a nen ability, so he knows there's people out there capable of dealing with it… even if he didn't know the specific solution that Gon's friends would find.
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@Bad:
& Where did that faith come from? oh, yeah… it came b/c Gon had friends... really convincing.
Friends who did end up restoring him mind you.
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill for Ging's resolve that "Gon's my son and he has friends to help him so he won't die". Which again, he turned out to be completely right even if he did not predict the exact means of how Gon would be recovered. Pariston predicted this too based on Ging's words.
@Bad:
That has nothing to do w/ anything I said.
If I'm not mistaken, you were inquiring about how Neon and Alluka's abilities don't make sense in a Nen restrictions world. I merely pointed out that Komugi was another example like Neon of how one doesn't have to necessarily know the true scope of Nen in order to have an ability.
While keeping in mind that these people are very extreme outliers their abilities do make perfect sense due to the level of conditions that the ability has been set with, even if those people themselves are not completely aware of it.
That, and just pointing out the obvious that there is no way Killua is going to honor his promise with Alluka and keep It's powers intact. So if you're concerned about the "hax powers" having an impact in the future course of the story then don't be because in some fashion they are not going to be able to stay if Alluka is.
@Bad:
I already had this discussion before on this board sometime ago & I'm not gonna repeat myself, if you are interested feel free to check my post history in the old HxH thread, it's not that long.
To give you the short version: Gon's behavior to getting info about Ging location from Kite is identical to Luffy's behavior to getting info about One Piece from Rayleigh. Now if Luffy wake up one day & found himself on raftel w/ One Piece (whatever it is) in his hands/reach and decided to move on & continue adventure anyway, would you retain your interest in the series? If yes, then OK, you're entitled to your own opinion.You've completely missed the point of the two series. Gon's quest to see his father was a goal but it is not the endgame goal of Hunter X Hunter, it is the adventure. In the same fashion Luffy's goal is to find One Piece, but as we've both pointed out he wants the adventure of getting there.
The point to remember is that in both scenarios the manga does not end when they reach their goal. Luffy is going to "obtain" One Piece of sorts when he gets to Raftel but the adventure is not going to end there. Gon is not going to stop his adventure either just because he finally found his father.
@Bad:
For the life of me I can't understand what Gon want to apologize for? for being weak? Ging perfectly explained that it's Kaito's fault. If so then his apology is stupid and I'm not interested in seeing it. Besides; what is his apology will resolve anyway?
The closest thing to a father figure Gon ever had was more or less killed in front of him. The apology is meant for Gon's own peace of mind. Knowing Kite is alive, even if he has been altered somehow, being able to apologize to him is meant to resolve Gon's mental state for good from the events of the Ant arc.
Like Ging said it was mostly Kite's fault but Gon just needs to do it anyway so he can properly move on.
@Bad:
I'm bored with these 2 main characters atm. I want to see more from one who actually has a target he's seeking and another who I consider an entertaining character. I'm not saying it's gonna actually happen, even though I do expect that Togashi has something in his mind for Kurapika.
Well then that's more of a personal issue. I personally still enjoy Killua and Gon as the leads of this story. It's inevitable that they will run into Kurapika again in the future, but as of right now his story has nothing to do with Gon and Killua's events.
@RPGJay: I just wanted to add that Ging DID foresee Gon's recovery, how else would you explain his: "this is bad" when he knew that he'll be stuck in the election room till the end?
Ging said "this is bad" at the end of Chapter 331 because he knew what Pariston was going to do. He was going to (and did) stall the election until Gon was healed and walked through the door, which would cost Leorio the victory.
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Ging said "this is bad" at the end of Chapter 331 because he knew what Pariston was going to do. He was going to (and did) stall the election until Gon was healed and walked through the door, which would cost Leorio the victory.
Aren't you revering Ging too much? Because I think most of us are under the impression that he said those because he's worried about meeting with Gon.
EDIT: Oh Sh*t I'm thinking of the wrong chapter… Sorry
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I just wish for Killua to return to his old bad-ass self and stop crying like a baby.
If you read through the series again, pay attention to Killua's casual disposition. He's actually the kindest and most self-sacrificial of all the four main protagonists. He and Gon are more similar in attitude than one would expect.
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@RobbyBevard:
God you people are fickle. Two weeks ago "Oh my god, this series is better than One Piece, it's peerless at the moment and Oda is totally sucking right now". Two chapters later "Oh its crap. Is it going on hiatus again? What an ass. One Piece is finally good again though!"
It's honestly true though. up to 333 HxH had an edge over OP in FI, now OP is starting a new promising arc while the conclusion of the 2 highlights of HxH atm (the elections & healing Gon) were handled in not a very satisfying way. People usually react to these sort of things.
Stories have highs and lows, build ups and climaxes. This arcs climax was killua revealing he could wish for Gon to be healed without a cost… which called Illumi off... FOR THE MOMENT. But now, that battle which had just started, was put on hold.... now that's going to escalate and have much bigger and more personal consequences.
Yes the arc is far from over, but people need to see things escalate before jumping to the "this is awesome" bandwagon. And on the other hand you have people saying: "HXH is a Holy Bible in shonen fandom period, It's not the shonen manga we deserve, but it's the shonen manga we need" which forces you to be more vocal with your criticism (as I said: fanboys make me sick).
Ging didn't forsee anything. He just saw that Gon had gathered competant loyal friends who would do everything they needed to save him, and so he trusted in them, sicne there wasn't exactly anything he could do personally. Ging was aware Gon had beaten Greed Island and fought the ants, so he could trust in their ability, as well as Gon's ability to survive. (and the full might of the Hunter organization behind them.)
Allow me to disagree. We (the readers) know Gon & his friends much better than Ging, we had no idea that Gon could be saved (pre-Alluka), and Ging should has been the same. But no, he was quite confident (not hoping) that Gon will be healed. I understand you might not agree with this, so I'll ask you to explain Ging's statement: "this is bad" in 331 if it wasn't: "Hell, Gon is gonna heal & he'll come her before the election is finished and I'll have to meet him'.
Heck, he knows about the angel healing card on greed island, and thats a nen ability, so he knows there's people out there capable of dealing with it… even if he didn't know the specific solution that Gon's friends would find.
You mean to till me that he (GI main founder) didn't know how to utilize something similar to the angel's breath (or whatever was its name) and yet he "assumed" Gon's friends would!!! excuse me but that's BS.
Friends who did end up restoring him mind you. I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill for Ging's resolve that "Gon's my son and he has friends to help him so he won't die". Which again, he turned out to be completely right even if he did not predict the exact means of how Gon would be recovered. Pariston predicted this too based on Ging's words.
Killua saved him by using a unique power not witnessed before in the HxH world (by the reactions of anyone who saw it, unless of course if you are assuming Aluka's power is something common), which is a factor Ging should have no means of putting into account. Gon's friends had no means of saving him that we know of. Now unless Ging knew about Alluka before hand then his confidence doesn't make sense at all. And I repeat that Ging "knew" Gon will be healed & I'll get to that again at the end of the post.
If I'm not mistaken, you were inquiring about how Neon and Alluka's abilities don't make sense in a Nen restrictions world. I merely pointed out that Komugi was another example like Neon of how one doesn't have to necessarily know the true scope of Nen in order to have an ability.
Extra ordinary brilliance in sports is something not so uncommon in our real world, that's why (personally) I didn't give much thought to Komugi's "talents". If you see them the same as Aluka & Neon's nen abilities, then you are entitled to your opinion.
While keeping in mind that these people are very extreme outliers their abilities do make perfect sense due to the level of conditions that the ability has been set with, even if those people themselves are not completely aware of it.
Guess what? there is a cheap way to bypass Alluka's conditions, take my word for it ;)
You've completely missed the point of the two series. Gon's quest to see his father was a goal but it is not the endgame goal of Hunter X Hunter, it is the adventure. In the same fashion Luffy's goal is to find One Piece, but as we've both pointed out he wants the adventure of getting there.& The point to remember is that in both scenarios the manga does not end when they reach their goal. Luffy is going to "obtain" One Piece of sorts when he gets to Raftel but the adventure is not going to end there. Gon is not going to stop his adventure either just because he finally found his father.
Then you mean to tell me that if Luffy (after he finds One Piece & deals with the after-war) decided to go back to try all the islands he missed in the grandline for the sake of adventure you'd still be interested??? again I can't complain, you are entitled to your opinion. But to make myself perfectly clear: I UNDERSTAND that the fun is in the adventure itself, but (in the series where there is an overarching goal) I also enjoy seeing the characters getting closer to their destination throughout the series. Characters wandering aimlessly after having a goal is minus in my book, so hate me for it. Gon has to has a new motivation, and till we learn about it, I'm reserving my decision in holding the series in the same high regards as I do now.
The closest thing to a father figure Gon ever had was more or less killed in front of him. The apology is meant for Gon's own peace of mind. Knowing Kite is alive, even if he has been altered somehow, being able to apologize to him is meant to resolve Gon's mental state for good from the events of the Ant arc. Like Ging said it was mostly Kite's fault but Gon just needs to do it anyway so he can properly move on.
Not interested in seeing that, sorry.
Well then that's more of a personal issue. I personally still enjoy Killua and Gon as the leads of this story. It's inevitable that they will run into Kurapika again in the future, but as of right now his story has nothing to do with Gon and Killua's events.
Neither did Leorio & Ging pre-election arc, but Togashi throw them in anyway. If Togashi wanted it he'd make it happen (heck, he threw the Ryodans in the middle of the ants arc), and as a reader I'm entitled to my own "fantasies".
Ging said "this is bad" at the end of Chapter 331 because he knew what Pariston was going to do. He was going to (and did) stall the election until Gon was healed and walked through the door, which would cost Leorio the victory.
Read 334 again. Pariston came to the conclusion that Gon might be coming now and started dragging the elections only after nanika's nen blast, Ging indicated something bad will happen 2 chapters before that. WHY?
Also you & Robby should give Pariston's words some weight. He was confident that Gon will be healed b/c Ging told him so. Yet you keep telling me that Ging didn't know it and was just waiting for a miracle of some sort.
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@Bad:
You mean to till me that he (GI main founder) didn't know how to utilize something similar to the angel's breath (or whatever was its name) and yet he "assumed" Gon's friends would!!! excuse me but that's BS.
No. I said the exact opposite.
He knows that exists, he knows which ever person was in charge of making that card work, (since ALL the cards, including the teleporters, are clearly based on someone powering them) and he could have called in a favor if he felt it was needed. But he had faith in his son and his friends to deal with it on their own.
After all, if he knows of a miracle cure all, there's bound to be others. He didn't know the specifics of how Gon's friends would deal with it, but he knew they would. And they did.
If the situation had degraded and he was told "Gon only has five minutes to live", he would have done more presumably.
@Bad:
Also you & Robby should give Pariston's words some weight. He was confident that Gon will be healed b/c Ging told him so. Yet you keep telling me that Ging didn't know it and was just waiting for a miracle of some sort.
Because he looked at Gon's VERY CAPABLE ELITE HUNTER friends, who had conquered Greed Island and dealt with the ants, (and who knows what else the elder hunters have done) knew the entire resources of the foundation were keeping Gon alive in the hospital, and that it was covered. He trusted in his son to hold on, and in his friends to do the rest. Ging had probably been in similar situations himself.
It didn't matter if it was Killua, Leroio, Knuckle, Biscuit, or even Hisoka that had the answer, but one of them would figure out something.
If Gon had been put into the hospital and there weren't dozens of THE BEST AND MOST TALENTED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD surrounding him, he might have prioritized differently.
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@Bad:
Killua saved him by using a unique power not witnessed before in the HxH world (by the reactions of anyone who saw it, unless of course if you are assuming Aluka's power is something common), which is a factor Ging should have no means of putting into account. Gon's friends had no means of saving him that we know of. Now unless Ging knew about Alluka before hand then his confidence doesn't make sense at all. And I repeat that Ging "knew" Gon will be healed & I'll get to that again at the end of the post.
@Bad:
Also you & Robby should give Pariston's words some weight. He was confident that Gon will be healed b/c Ging told him so. Yet you keep telling me that Ging didn't know it and was just waiting for a miracle of some sort.
You're skimming over/misinterpreting mine and Robby's words. Ging had absolute faith that Gon was going to be healed, he just did not know by what means. Ging certainly was not aware of Alluka's powers but you forget the HxH world is full of unique abilities that could've saved Gon. It did not necessarily had to be Alluka's power, there exist things like Archangel's Breath from Greed Island or the foreshadowed Nen Erasers from waaaay back that are so powerful that they can remove the effects of Nen after death. It just happened to be Killua using Alluka's power that saved him.
Pariston had certainty in this because Ging did, which is consequently what won him the election.
@Bad:
Extra ordinary brilliance in sports is something not so uncommon in our real world, that's why (personally) I didn't give much thought to Komugi's "talents". If you see them the same as Aluka & Neon's nen abilities, then you are entitled to your opinion.
Guess what? there is a cheap way to bypass Alluka's conditions, take my word for it ;)Komugi is the same as both Neon and Alluka because they all use Nen abilities but they themselves are not aware of Nen. But it's a moot point either way, I just wanted to point out that Alluka's ability really isn't that "hax" to anyone who isn't Killua. After all, the Zoldycks were terrified of Alluka enough to lock her up until Killua intervened.
Which again, Alluka's power is very likely not to make it past this arc anyways so I don't really see the problem with it (no pun intended).
@Bad:
Then you mean to tell me that if Luffy (after he finds One Piece & deals with the after-war) decided to go back to try all the islands he missed in the grandline for the sake of adventure you'd still be interested??? again I can't complain, you are entitled to your opinion. But to make myself perfectly clear: I UNDERSTAND that the fun is in the adventure itself, but (in the series where there is an overarching goal) I also enjoy seeing the characters getting closer to their destination throughout the series. Characters wandering aimlessly after having a goal is minus in my book, so hate me for it. Gon has to has a new motivation, and till we learn about it, I'm reserving my decision in holding the series in the same high regards as I do now.
Not interested in seeing that, sorry.Once again you're missing the point entirely.
Whitebeard explicitly told us during the War that the discovery of One Piece will trigger another, larger war. So One Piece is not going to end after Luffy accomplishes his goal and "obtains" One Piece even if he is not aware of it. There is certainly going to be another adventure as a result of that and Luffy is going to be all for it.
In the same fashion Gon may have found his dad but it is not going to be the end of the Gon's adventures nor the end of the series. We're in a bit of a transition period in HxH where the concept of the next arc, and by extension the next goal of the series, is not obvious to us readers yet. However after the apology, which is much need for Gon's character, will give to Kite these things should start to come together gradually.
@Bad:
Neither did Leorio & Ging pre-election arc, but Togashi throw them in anyway. If Togashi wanted it he'd make it happen (heck, he threw the Ryodans in the middle of the ants arc), and as a reader I'm entitled to my own "fantasies".
Which is precisely why I said in my last post "as of right now". It's entirely possible that the next arc could see the return of Kurapika and the Spiders. If not immediately it definitely will be in the future.
As I said, we're undergoing some transition chapters where the next stop for the series is not apparent yet. It's not entirely unlike the time spent between the Tower and York Shin arcs where there was no direct immediate goal for the future. The only difference is these chapters are taking longer because there are plot threads that need to be resolved, world building being done using the election and the zodiac, the importance of a new Chairman, etc etc.
@Bad:
Read 334 again. Pariston came to the conclusion that Gon might be coming now and started dragging the elections only after nanika's nen blast, Ging indicated something bad will happen 2 chapters before that. WHY?
Because Ging realized at the end of Chapter 331 that if everyone is locked in the building until a new Chairman is chosen Pariston can pull any kind of delaying tactic he wanted to. And sure enough when the final election was about to begin and Gon had still not shown up yet, he did buy some time.
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Ever heard of Hunter-sense.
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14232-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-223.html
Here you see Netero knowing exactly what was said and who had come, from miles and miles away.It's been shown again and again that extraordinary hunters have this weird intuition.
Ging just sensed/believed that Gon wouldn't die. Call it divination, intuition, or whatever, but it isn't something new at all.
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@RobbyBevard:
No. I said the exact opposite.
He knows that exists, he knows which ever person was in charge of making that card work, (since ALL the cards, including the teleporters, are clearly based on someone powering them) and he could have called in a favor if he felt it was needed. But he had faith in his son and his friends to deal with it on their own.
After all, if he knows of a miracle cure all, there's bound to be others. He didn't know the specifics of how Gon's friends would deal with it, but he knew they would. And they did.
If the situation had degraded and he was told "Gon only has five minutes to live", he would have done more presumably.
You mean that he knew how to save Gon & choose not to b/c he thought Gon's friends may/might/probably know a way as well!!! WOW, you are taking the meaning of a "piece of shit dad" to a whole new level. Did you see Gon's condition? anymore worse would probably mean he'd be dead already. Even Ging shouldn't be that heartless.
Because he looked at Gon's VERY CAPABLE ELITE HUNTER friends, who had conquered Greed Island and dealt with the ants, (and who knows what else the elder hunters have done) knew the entire resources of the foundation were keeping Gon alive in the hospital, and that it was covered. He trusted in his son to hold on, and in his friends to do the rest. Ging had probably been in similar situations himself.
It didn't matter if it was Killua, Leroio, Knuckle, Biscuit, or even Hisoka that had the answer, but one of them would figure out something.
If Gon had been put into the hospital and there weren't dozens of THE BEST AND MOST TALENTED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD surrounding him, he might have prioritized differently.
This will mean that Ging didn't do anything, b/c he thought the situation was not dire enough to require his assistance, which would in retrospect "piss" on the entire arc. b/c if it was really THAT bad Ging would have interfered.
You're skimming over/misinterpreting mine and Robby's words. Ging had absolute faith that Gon was going to be healed, he just did not know by what means. Ging certainly was not aware of Alluka's powers but you forget the HxH world is full of unique abilities that could've saved Gon. It did not necessarily had to be Alluka's power, there exist things like Archangel's Breath from Greed Island or the foreshadowed Nen Erasers from waaaay back that are so powerful that they can remove the effects of Nen after death. It just happened to be Killua using Alluka's power that saved him.
Pariston had certainty in this because Ging did, which is consequently what won him the election.
Look at my answers above.
Komugi is the same as both Neon and Alluka because they all use Nen abilities but they themselves are not aware of Nen. But it's a moot point either way, I just wanted to point out that Alluka's ability really isn't that "hax" to anyone who isn't Killua. After all, the Zoldycks were terrified of Alluka enough to lock her up until Killua intervened.
Exactly, it IS a moot point & it IS Killua who's using her power atm.
Which again, Alluka's power is very likely not to make it past this arc anyways so I don't really see the problem with it (no pun intended).
Her power was already used to save the protagonist from otherwise an unsolvable condition without any draw back. The damage is already done. And before you through the "Angel breath" card at me, I'll repeat that if the solution was so simple then Togashi was trolling us the entire arc repeating that Gon's situation is dire. Either way it's a bad cop out to have a solution for any physical damage to any character in the series.
Once again you're missing the point entirely.
Whitebeard explicitly told us during the War that the discovery of One Piece will trigger another, larger war. So One Piece is not going to end after Luffy accomplishes his goal and "obtains" One Piece even if he is not aware of it. There is certainly going to be another adventure as a result of that and Luffy is going to be all for it.
Before accusing me of "missing the point", you should at least read my post before quoting it, heck at least read the first line.
In the same fashion Gon may have found his dad but it is not going to be the end of the Gon's adventures nor the end of the series. We're in a bit of a transition period in HxH where the concept of the next arc, and by extension the next goal of the series, is not obvious to us readers yet. However after the apology, which is much need for Gon's character, will give to Kite these things should start to come together gradually.
Now you need to read the last line.
Which is precisely why I said in my last post "as of right now". It's entirely possible that the next arc could see the return of Kurapika and the Spiders. If not immediately it definitely will be in the future.
So, I DO have the right to hope for it… That's so very generous of you.
Because Ging realized at the end of Chapter 331 that if everyone is locked in the building until a new Chairman is chosen Pariston can pull any kind of delaying tactic he wanted to. And sure enough when the final election was about to begin and Gon had still not shown up yet, he did buy some time.
You don't get it yet. Ging said "this is bad" "BEFORE" Nanika's nen blast, Pariston knew Gon will be healed & started wasting time "AFTER" Nanika's nen blast. GING SAID SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN 2 CHAPTERS BEFORE PARISTON NOTICED HE CAN TURN THE TIDES OF THE ELECTIONS & STARTED WASTING TIME. now if the capital letters don't explain it for you, then I give up.
Ever heard of Hunter-sense.
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14232-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-223.html
Here you see Netero knowing exactly what was said and who had come, from miles and miles away.It's been shown again and again that extraordinary hunters have this weird intuition.
Ging just sensed/believed that Gon wouldn't die. Call it divination, intuition, or whatever, but it isn't something new at all.
Thank you. At least you are bringing something new to the discussion, I was afraid non of my points are coming through at all.
If this "Intuition" is something established in the series so many times, then please do provide more examples. I can't remember any (beside the one that you just mentioned). The timing would be perfect though b/c Ging said his sentence just 1 page after Killua & Alluka reached to the hospital, but I need more evidence (as you said it was shown again & again :P).
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Whine mewl, whine. Hiss!
Whine.
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I HATE THIS STUPID MANGA! HALF OF THE CHARACTERS ARE NEVER EVEN IN IT!
AND WE DONT EVEN KNOW THE GENDERS FOR MOST OF THE CASTAND IT TAKES 3 YEARS FOR 7 CHAPTERS TO COME OUT! TOGASHI ISN'T SICK! AND NO ONE CAN SPEND THAT MUCH TIME BEDDING MISS SAILOR MOON! HE PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN CARE THAT MUCH FOR DRAGON QUEST IX! HES JUST LAZY AND LOST HIS VISION
! I'd kill for a "Hitler responds to Hunter X Hunter hiatus"
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@Bad:
Look at my answers above.
Ging left his son as a baby to his sister and mother on Whale Island, leaving only a box that could be activated with Nen that contained a recording that would immediately erase itself once it was over and told Gon he had zero plans to ever see him, specifically programmed Greed Island to tell Gon there was not a clue to find Ging in the game and rigged it so Gon would be sent to Kite if he used Accompany to bring a friend along after winning the game, and even when his own child is right in front of him Ging tries to weasel out of talking to him as soon as possible.
Trust me dude, no one is arguing Ging as a candidate for Father of the Year.
However Ging does recognize Gon's skill in fending off the Ants and completing Greed Island. So knowing that Gon must have amassed some of the single most talented people on earth as allies. So even if Ging did care his help wasn't needed.
@Bad:
Her power was already used to save the protagonist from otherwise an unsolvable condition without any draw back. The damage is already done. And before you through the "Angel breath" card at me, I'll repeat that if the solution was so simple then Togashi was trolling us the entire arc repeating that Gon's situation is dire. Either way it's a bad cop out to have a solution for any physical damage to any character in the series.
You're infering as if the events of this arc regarding Gon's condition weren't dire. This is could not be farther from the truth.
First off Gon's situation was awful. He was going to die. No professional medical help was going to heal him, even at best Knov's help just helped Gon live longer. Even the Hunter association's Nen Eraser could not even save Gon (though Morel mentioned that there were likely other Nen Erasers who weren't showing their face, likely to be those very powerful Nen Erasers mentioned back at the end of York Shin). Someone had to had to save Gon somehow. I merely pointed out that while other solutions do exist such as cards from Greed Island and other methods that could heal Gon that does not mean that it is a simple solution.
Besides while Alluka's power did not have any drawbacks unlike everyone else trying to make a wish, that doesn't change the fact that getting Alluka out of the Zoldyck's mountain, out into the world being under constant surveliance by the Zoldyck butlers (whom were being watched via a scope from Tsubone), and being chased by Illumi and Hisoka all the while. And even then this is not over. Unless something changes Alluka and Killua are going to be hunted down by Illumi so he can utilize her power with Killua's rule-free condition.
You call none of that dire?
@Bad:
Before accusing me of "missing the point", you should at least read my post before quoting it, heck at least read the first line.
@Bad:
Now you need to read the last line.
- The first line was already explained by me when I said this:
Whitebeard explicitly told us during the War that the discovery of One Piece will trigger another, larger war. So One Piece is not going to end after Luffy accomplishes his goal and "obtains" One Piece even if he is not aware of it. There is certainly going to be another adventure as a result of that and Luffy is going to be all for it.
Your point of "Luffy going back to visit the islands for adventure's sake" isn't going to occur per se as much as it is preparing for a war that will engulf the world. So what exactly am I to gain by rereading your first line again when your ludicrious hypothetical example is not going to occur and thus has no bearing on what we are talking about?
Oh right, nothing.
- Your last line of not wanting to see Gon apologize in order to redeem himself from the Ant arc tells me you haven't been paying attention in the slightest to Gon's character for the last 40+ chapters and realize why this is necessary.
But hey if you're not looking forward to that I suppose that's your own horrible taste.
@Bad:
So, I DO have the right to hope for it… That's so very generous of you.
I don't know why you're making it seem as if I had conceded a point. As I pointed out that we are in transition chapters where we don't know the next destination of the story. Therefore the next arc could go to Kurapika's story, Gon and Killua returning to Kurapika again is an inevitability, but again, as I keep mentioning as of right now it has nothing to do with Gon and Killua's story. While it goes without saying that their meeting will happen, it is not a certainty that it will occur any time soon as of yet.
You certainly have no hope for your idea of having the long term focus switch over from Gon and Killua to Kurapika or Hisoka just because you find them boring for whatever reason.
@Bad:
You don't get it yet. Ging said "this is bad" "BEFORE" Nanika's nen blast, Pariston knew Gon will be healed & started wasting time "AFTER" Nanika's nen blast. GING SAID SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN 2 CHAPTERS BEFORE PARISTON NOTICED HE CAN TURN THE TIDES OF THE ELECTIONS & STARTED WASTING TIME. now if the capital letters don't explain it for you, then I give up.
…so you didn't read my response to this at all did you?
Ging realized Pariston would be able to use stalling tactics if he needed to because all of the hunters were locked into the building until a winner was chosen. Ging realized this before Pariston used any of that, that is precisely the reason why Ging thought "this is bad" far before the Nen blast. While again Ging was not aware of Alluka specifically nor did he know there would be a Nen blast of sorts, Ging did know that Gon would inevitably be healed and if Gon didn't show up at the election building before the final vote was counted (which would certainly make Pariston lose the election) Pariston would do anything to stall for time and there's nothing anyone could do about it, Ging included.
That is what Ging's "this is bad" was referring to and why it occured prior to Pariston actually using stalling tactics.
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:blink: …..So. I'm wondering what's gonna happen next week. Will Gon actually locate Killua? Will Kurapika show up? Will Hisoka go on a killing spree?
I forget, is Killua not allowed to see Gon? I'm not totally remembering the need for the avoidance. Is it also because of Alluka being there?
Get rid of her powers how? It seems like telling Nanika to not come out doesn't really do anything, if I'm remembering that scene right. Brain is tired.
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Why didn't Killua just get rid of Alluka's nen powers or something?
Seems like a major oversightIm going to give Togashi the benefit of the doubt here and believe this stuff will be sorted out/explained in the near future
One of HXH's biggest strengths are the rock/paper/scissors checks and balances aspects of nen and fighting in the series.
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Alluka and Nanika are female and no one can convince me otherwise. LALALALALALALA
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So I signed up for the 1 month trial run for Viz's SJ Alpha and there is no Hunter X Hunter. WTF if they aren't going to do anything with the series let scanlations happen
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Ging left his son as a baby to his sister and mother on Whale Island, leaving only a box that could be activated with Nen that contained a recording that would immediately erase itself once it was over and told Gon he had zero plans to ever see him, specifically programmed Greed Island to tell Gon there was not a clue to find Ging in the game and rigged it so Gon would be sent to Kite if he used Accompany to bring a friend along after winning the game, and even when his own child is right in front of him Ging tries to weasel out of talking to him as soon as possible.
Trust me dude, no one is arguing Ging as a candidate for Father of the Year.
Abandoning your child is one thing and leaving him to die b/c he has friends who might have a way (which you don't know of) to help him is another.
However Ging does recognize Gon's skill in fending off the Ants and completing Greed Island. So knowing that Gon must have amassed some of the single most talented people on earth as allies. So even if Ging did care his help wasn't needed.
You don't seem to understand that if it weren't for Alluka's power WHICH HAS NO RELATION TO ANY THING GON HAS EVER DID IN HIS LIFE, there would be noway for any of Gon friends to save him. Therefore your logic is wrong and if Ging thinks the same way then he's a moron.
You're infering as if the events of this arc regarding Gon's condition weren't dire. This is could not be farther from the truth.
First off Gon's situation was awful. He was going to die. No professional medical help was going to heal him, even at best Knov's help just helped Gon live longer. Even the Hunter association's Nen Eraser could not even save Gon (though Morel mentioned that there were likely other Nen Erasers who weren't showing their face, likely to be those very powerful Nen Erasers mentioned back at the end of York Shin). Someone had to had to save Gon somehow. I merely pointed out that while other solutions do exist such as cards from Greed Island and other methods that could heal Gon that does not mean that it is a simple solution.
Besides while Alluka's power did not have any drawbacks unlike everyone else trying to make a wish, that doesn't change the fact that getting Alluka out of the Zoldyck's mountain, out into the world being under constant surveliance by the Zoldyck butlers (whom were being watched via a scope from Tsubone), and being chased by Illumi and Hisoka all the while. And even then this is not over. Unless something changes Alluka and Killua are going to be hunted down by Illumi so he can utilize her power with Killua's rule-free condition.
You call none of that dire?
I'm concluding it's not dire b/c of the fact that Ging would have saved him if he wanted to (by the use of Angel's Breath of whatever) and yet didn't doing so b/c the situation didn't need it. IF it was that bad Ging would have helped.
- The first line was already explained by me when I said this:
Your point of "Luffy going back to visit the islands for adventure's sake" isn't going to occur per se as much as it is preparing for a war that will engulf the world. So what exactly am I to gain by rereading your first line again when your ludicrious hypothetical example is not going to occur and thus has no bearing on what we are talking about?
Oh right, nothing.
You win, I'll quote myself for you.
@Bad:Then you mean to tell me that if Luffy (after he finds One Piece & deals with the after-war)
I mentioned the war as part of OP overarching plot which was established hundreds of chapters ago (starting with the D's). I didn't need you to write 5 lines explaining its importance. I was asking if you'll remain interested EVEN AFTER THE WAR.
- Your last line of not wanting to see Gon apologize in order to redeem himself from the Ant arc tells me you haven't been paying attention in the slightest to Gon's character for the last 40+ chapters and realize why this is necessary.
But hey if you're not looking forward to that I suppose that's your own horrible taste.
You are speaking about a whole other matter now what I was saying:
@Bad:Gon has to has a new motivation, and till we learn about it, I'm reserving my decision in holding the series in the same high regards as I do now.
& your reply to me was:
@RPGJay:In the same fashion Gon may have found his dad but it is not going to be the end of the Gon's adventures nor the end of the series. We're in a bit of a transition period in HxH where the concept of the next arc, and by extension the next goal of the series, is not obvious to us readers yet. However after the apology, which is much need for Gon's character, will give to Kite these things should start to come together gradually.
As I said, we're undergoing some transition chapters where the next stop for the series is not apparent yet. It's not entirely unlike the time spent between the Tower and York Shin arcs where there was no direct immediate goal for the future. The only difference is these chapters are taking longer because there are plot threads that need to be resolved, world building being done using the election and the zodiac, the importance of a new Chairman, etc etc..So you took so many words to explain what I already said in so little, hence I told you to read my post before repeating things.
I don't know why you're making it seem as if I had conceded a point. As I pointed out that we are in transition chapters where we don't know the next destination of the story. Therefore the next arc could go to Kurapika's story, Gon and Killua returning to Kurapika again is an inevitability, but again, as I keep mentioning as of right now it has nothing to do with Gon and Killua's story. While it goes without saying that their meeting will happen, it is not a certainty that it will occur any time soon as of yet.
You certainly have no hope for your idea of having the long term focus switch over from Gon and Killua to Kurapika or Hisoka just because you find them boring for whatever reason.
@Bad:
My only hope atm is that the focus shifts to Hisoka or Kurapika as mains for some time (I had enough w/ both Gon & Killua) and even that is far from likely to happen.
Focus shifting doesn't mean it'll be for the next 100 chapters, even a couple of chapters is fine (heck, I even gave the example w/ the Ryodans appearance in the ants arc & Leorio appearance in the elections), and even that I KNOW it won't happen b/c now we'll have to deal with Gon's apology & Alluka's situation. So, yo were saying???
…so you didn't read my response to this at all did you?
Ging realized Pariston would be able to use stalling tactics if he needed to because all of the hunters were locked into the building until a winner was chosen. Ging realized this before Pariston used any of that, that is precisely the reason why Ging thought "this is bad" far before the Nen blast. While again Ging was not aware of Alluka specifically nor did he know there would be a Nen blast of sorts, Ging did know that Gon would inevitably be healed and if Gon didn't show up at the election building before the final vote was counted (which would certainly make Pariston lose the election) Pariston would do anything to stall for time and there's nothing anyone could do about it, Ging included.
That is what Ging's "this is bad" was referring to and why it occured prior to Pariston actually using stalling tactics.
At this point I alreasy know I'm wasting my time with you. You are not reading my reply, or processing the words before posting them. I will explain this one final time and you are free to overlook my words as always:
If Pariston hadn't felt Nanika's nen he wouldn't have started wasting time. At the time Ging said his word Pariston had already conceded defeat long time ago. His hope returned only on 333 when he felt the nen & looked at Ging. Parsiton (who just started wasting time by then) said 1 chapter later that he wasn't god and he needed Gon to come out quickly b/c he can't waste time forever. So stop saying that as of 331 Parsiton was plannng to waste time. Mugiwara no Ice alraedy gets that & he brought a new point to the discussion so stop dragging it to backwards. -
^^^^^We really dont know if Alluka was the only way to save Gon. Really couldn't that healing card on Greed Island have fixed Gon as well? or something like it? If Leorio had become president and united the Hunter society in helping Gon, it seems very plausible they could have found something in the world that could fix gon's status
Killua just had a quick solution
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@Bad:
You don't seem to understand that if it weren't for Alluka's power WHICH HAS NO RELATION TO ANY THING GON HAS EVER DID IN HIS LIFE, there would be noway for any of Gon friends to save him. Therefore your logic is wrong and if Ging thinks the same way then he's a moron.
I think this argument is abit off. We don't know, what Kurapica did in this long time. Since he allready considerd nen-erasing at a time, where he learned his ability, in the meantime he might also have tryed to finde some informations about some great nen-eraser, so that he could start to think about countermessure against the nen-eraser themself. Or so that he could observe them, watching there steps.
The spiders themself found in a short period an neneraser for Chrollo, and I think that if all friends of Gon would have checked there conections, they would also have found an eraser or an other way to save Gon, in also no time. Also Killua was now the fastest with someone in his family, but also when noone in his family would have had the ability to save Gon, the connections and the knowledge of the family itself would have led him to a solution, how to save Gon.
I think, this all would have been possibilities, but might have taken longer…
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I think this argument is abit off. We don't know, what Kurapica did in this long time. Since he allready considerd nen-erasing at a time, where he learned his ability, in the meantime he might also have tryed to finde some informations about some great nen-eraser, so that he could start to think about countermessure against the nen-eraser themself. Or so that he could observe them, watching there steps.
The spiders themself found in a short period an neneraser for Chrollo, and I think that if all friends of Gon would have checked there conections, they would also have found an eraser or an other way to save Gon, in also no time. Also Killua was now the fastest with someone in his family, but also when noone in his family would have had the ability to save Gon, the connections and the knowledge of the family itself would have led him to a solution, how to save Gon.
I think, this all would have been possibilities, but might have taken longer…
It's a "little bit" unfair to join a debate so late. My post was a reply to a reply to a reply to x no. of replies to what I was originally saying, sometimes you go out of your way to prove your point even if you aren't being literal. the point of that comment was to refute RPGJay comment on how _Gon's skill in fending off the Ants and completing Greed Island automatically qualifies his friends to help him. following this chain then your comment about Kurapica is off b/c whatever Kurapica accomplished in his travels has nothing to do w/ Gon fending the ants & completing GI.
Regardless; I'll answer your comment._ _For the nen erasing: so far it has been shown to be costly and not always 100% effective. Also the only nen eraser in the hunter organization said he can't even imagine how this could be lifted/erased. We can't easily assume that there is a nen eraser who would have been able to save Gon. (I'm not saying there isn't, I'm saying that this is debatable at best).
Killua's connections & Leorio (had he became the Chairman) might/may/probably have been helpful, but it'll still leave a sore taste on my mouth that Ging knew the way to help his son & yet stood on the lines leaving it for may be's.
The main problem here would be: even if I conceded that there is a number of ways to save Gon (which I have no real problem with), this will mean that Togashi DID troll us with the whole "Gon is in Danger" angle, b/c it appears that saving him wasn't that hard to begin._
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@Bad:
Abandoning your child is one thing and leaving him to die b/c he has friends who might have a way (which you don't know of) to help him is another.
You don't seem to understand that if it weren't for Alluka's power WHICH HAS NO RELATION TO ANY THING GON HAS EVER DID IN HIS LIFE, there would be noway for any of Gon friends to save him. Therefore your logic is wrong and if Ging thinks the same way then he's a moron.
As I've established, Ging isn't winning any Parent of the Year awards any time soon.
As a result of his journeys Gon has acquired some of the most capable and powerful friends in the HxH world (include people who were very close to the former Chairman Netero). Ging realized this so, as Robby and myself have already pointed out, it isn't far fetched in the slightest to think that at least one of them would be able to find a way to cure Gon's condition, or at the very least know someone who could be able to.
And as it so turns out, someone did. While granted Killua had to perilously jump through a lot of hoops to get Alluka to Gon's position (which will lead to some significant long term consequences regarding Illumi) he did end up saving Gon and by extension proved Ging completely right.
So unless your line of logic is "well of course the main character was going to be saved" I don't see your problem with this.
@Bad:
I'm concluding it's not dire b/c of the fact that Ging would have saved him if he wanted to (by the use of Angel's Breath of whatever) and yet didn't doing so b/c the situation didn't need it. IF it was that bad Ging would have helped.
Ging didn't need to intervene because Gon had such a talented group of friends. Even if Ging wanted to or even could be able to help Gon in some way, both of which are big assumptions themselves, Ging had complete faith in knowing Gon would be cured (which again, he was right) .
Which is not to say both Gon and Killua's situations were not incredibly dire. Gon was certainly going to die unless someone was able to cure him (hell if Knov didn't call in some advanced medical favors it's probable that Gon could've already been dead). And as I already pointed out Killua had to deal with the Zoldyck family politics with Illumi and Hisoka to get Alluka over to Gon. And even then Killua has barely escaped Illumi twice now and will be hunted down by him mercilessly in the future.
So I really cannot fathom why you think this situation was anything but dire.
@Bad:
You win, I'll quote myself for you.
I mentioned the war as part of OP overarching plot which was established hundreds of chapters ago (starting with the D's). I didn't need you to write 5 lines explaining its importance. I was asking if you'll remain interested EVEN AFTER THE WAR.I did not mention that line directly by name because I was uncertain of what you were specifically referring to. To clarify I'm still not entirely sure what you mean by that line because 1) we seem to have reached a consensus on my point that One Piece will continue after Luffy completes his main goal of finding One Piece and 2) your hypothetical question of "would you still enjoy One Piece even after the war if Luffy was just revisting prior islands" is entirely irrelevant considering that situation will not occur. The final arc of One Piece will be the war, which again is Luffy undergoing another adventure despite completing his main goal, and afterwards One Piece will conclude save for some likely short epilogue vignettes. So your hypothetical question changes nothing since it will not happen and does not apply to HxH's situation. By the same notion, Gon's adventure will continue after these transition chapters even though he has completed his goal of finding his father.
In any event this comparison has gone a bit out of hand. To pull it all together from what I've ascertained we seem to agree on my points that One Piece will continue after Luffy's goal is reached and Hunter X Hunter is currently in transition chapters and Hunter X Hunter will continue even though Gon has reached his goal of finding his father.
@Bad:
You are speaking about a whole other matter now what I was saying:
& your reply to me was:
So you took so many words to explain what I already said in so little, hence I told you to read my post before repeating things.You misinterpret my words. I was merely pointing out that you should be aware of the significance of Gon's appology to Kite since it is necessary for Gon's character and this event will determine the future arc and goal of the story; since you seem to be aware of my point of how important the ramifications of this and still not being looking forward to the apology then as I said that's your own poor taste.
@Bad:
Focus shifting doesn't mean it'll be for the next 100 chapters, even a couple of chapters is fine (heck, I even gave the example w/ the Ryodans appearance in the ants arc & Leorio appearance in the elections), and even that I KNOW it won't happen b/c now we'll have to deal with Gon's apology & Alluka's situation. So, yo were saying???
Once again you misconstrue me. I was reiterating my point that while Gon and Killua will inevitably run into Kurapika before the manga ends, unless Kurapika's story becomes plot relevant to Gon and Killua after the apology we won't be seeing the focus on him in the immediate future yet. To which you seem to agree with my point regarding that.
@Bad:
At this point I alreasy know I'm wasting my time with you. You are not reading my reply, or processing the words before posting them. I will explain this one final time and you are free to overlook my words as always:
If Pariston hadn't felt Nanika's nen he wouldn't have started wasting time. At the time Ging said his word Pariston had already conceded defeat long time ago. His hope returned only on 333 when he felt the nen & looked at Ging. Parsiton (who just started wasting time by then) said 1 chapter later that he wasn't god and he needed Gon to come out quickly b/c he can't waste time forever. So stop saying that as of 331 Parsiton was plannng to waste time. Mugiwara no Ice alraedy gets that & he brought a new point to the discussion so stop dragging it to backwards.I'm not sure if you're just skimming over my posts or I'm just not wording this clearly enough. I'll take it for you step-by-step since you seem to have such trouble grasping what Ging meant by "this is bad" and why Pariston was going to (and could) stall for time even if he did not feel Alluka's nen blast.
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First at Chapter 331 Ging learns that no hunters are allowed to leave the election building until a new Chairman is elected.
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Leorio is running on a "save Gon" platform as his only reason to become Chairman. However both Ging and Pariston realize that if Gon shows up to the election building not only would Leorio lose his votes but he would also lose his reason to try and become Chairman. Both Ging and Pariston are also aware that no matter what Gon is going to be healed, though they are not aware specifically how, and if Gon does not show up to the election building before the final election Leorio would win.
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Now bearing these first 2 steps in mind we learn exactly why Ging thought "this is bad" at the end of Chapter 331. Ging realizes Pariston has the upmost advantage of the situation. All Pariston needs to do is keep the election going until Gon inevitably shows up so that he will win. Pariston essentially has the advantageous position of being able to filibuster the election as long as he wanted to. No one can leave until a Chairman is elected, so Pariston can keep the election going by bringing up new points (especially when Cheadle and Mizaistrom are out of the way) or by having his many MANY followers abstain from voting the necessary 95% in order to decide a Chairman. While the latter does not actually happen, it's just another example of the many ways Pariston could have easily stalled for time (though true to Pariston's character he does not go all out because he isn't thinking about winning or losing, he just wanted to piss Cheadle and the rest of the Zodiac off and winning is the best way to do that, though losing wouldn't affect him either way). And no one can do a damn thing about it. That's why "this is bad".
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To address why Pariston did not use any of his stalling tactics prior to the final election, there was no real need to at that time. At best he just slowed the election down a bit by telling people to vote for Mizaistrom. It is not until the final election between himself and Leorio when it would be the opportune moment to stall for time since Gon has not shown up at the election building yet and there's no other place to stall for time. As mentioned before without Cheadle and Mizaistrom in the running Pariston had many more opportunities to do so.
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Bare in mind neither Ging nor Pariston were aware of the exact nature of how Gon was going to be healed. They are not aware of Alluka's existance, much less her ability, so neither of them were aware that a Nen blast would occur when Gon was healed. While the Nen blast was the indicator was to Pariston that Gon was healed and it would be a good moment to stall for time, neither Ging or Pariston knew there would be an indication that Gon was healed. As far as we're concerned, Pariston was under the correct assumption that Gon would be healed and would then head down to the election building. As established before, in order to win Pariston would have to buy time. So following this line of logic even if there was no Nen blast it makes perfect sense that Pariston would've stalled for time either way until Gon showed up and made his victory certain.
That, Bad Dreamer, is why "this is bad" and why Pariston could and would've stalled for time even if there was no indication Gon was healed yet.
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Not sure what this is supposed to mean, but Robby told me Alluka was a girl. He made that quite clear to me.
Yes. Emotionally female, physically male. We've been over this already.
@Mr.:
Actually, it wasn't a retcon. Let me explain.
The "mistranslation" referred to in the guidebooks isn't necessarily one. Both the manga and guidebook use the word "kyoudai," which colloquially means "siblings" in conversation (i.e. "kyoudai iru?") but almost always means "brothers" in other contexts. The word is written using the Kanji for "older brother" and "younger brother," and that's how it is written in most contexts. However, the guidebook does also use "little brother" in reference to Alluka specifically (it's on page 32 I think). It's not a strong enough argument to deem the guidebook an invalid source, especially when it revealed information that hadn't occurred yet in the manga (i.e. Alluka's name, Leorio's aura type, the origins of Killua's mom, etc.).
The problem lies in the way Killua and Alluka interact. The title of chapter 323 has "kyoudai" written in an unconventional format: the Kanji for "older brother" and "younger sister" are used in succession. Killua is the only person in the Zoldyck family who refers to Alluka as his "younger sister." But in the same chapter, Milluki calls both Kalluto and Alluka his "younger brothers," not using a gender neutral term. There are too many people who use sex-specific terms in reference to Alluka for it to be mere coincidence–the Zoldycks, aside from Killua, all see Alluka as a boy.
The chapter that first introduces Tsubone introduces another problem in that Killua calls Alluka a "girl" when mentioning her to Gotoh, quotation marks included. The conundrum is that those quotation marks are present in the Japanese version as well–they're scare quotes. This implies that Killua knows that Alluka isn't physically a girl, but her main personality is. It's like the relationship between Sensui and Itsuki in YuYu Hakusho, as the former also had a female personality despite being physically male. Togashi doesn't believe that sex and gender are mutually exclusive: his characters showcase this, and it's pretty clear that Alluka is another case of this. I wouldn't be surprised if Togashi did this because he wanted to explore Itsuki's psyche through Killua (as Itsuki, despite being a minor character, has been noted to be one of his two favorites in the entire series).
The final problem comes down to how to refer to Alluka. Even though the kid may be physically male, I think it's politically incorrect to do so if Alluka refers to herself as female.
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Yes. Emotionally female, physically male. We've been over this already.
Right, so mcdreamy was right.
Or at least he was half-right.
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Ah the joys of gender identity~
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I know its been brought up, but Im bringing it up again. The spiders are still a huge goal, during the (pretty long) yorkshin arc, Kurapica arguably became the main character of the series, and with his long absence, maybe when he returns we'll get another arc where he's the main guy, so although Gon's main goal has become accomplished, we still have many important things to address and get through
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@RobbyBevard:
If this was the end of the story it'd be a terrible finale. But its just the middle, the setup for something bigger and more dangerous, so it's fine.
Mental battles are fights too, and are jsut as, if not more, interesting than straight up combat.
(And what could match up to the battle against the king anytime soon anyway?)Or does Bakuman also need more combat?
Late reply. I don't read Bakuman (shame on me?), but AFAIK, fights have little to nothing to do about it, right? HxH is, at its core, a combat manga. Just look at the massive amount of explanations for the Nen system and everything. The Ant Arc used almost every damn excuse to give us a fight (hello, lobster vs octopus!), and, hell, I loved that arc. What can I tell you, maybe I'm a fight junkie! The thing is, I can understand a cool down from all that fighting, but. . .this is, IMHO, overdoing it. Togashi literally chickened out of every situation that had "FIGHT" written all over it. Seriously, I can't be the ONLY one here who, seing the setting for the arc, thought that cool fighting scenes were coming. Never happened.
I know I may be sounding like a simpleton, but I like to think that series that excel at something, shouldn't ignore that something. It's like Toriko without the hyperbolicaly exaggerated fights, Beelzebub without the hilarious comedy or One Piece without the sense of adventure and wonder: they suffer without these elements. I think both HxH and OP are lucky in that they are so good they can ignore their biggest strengths and still give us very good stuff (Marineford was an almost no-bullshit, no joking, dead serious fighting orgy, and the last 30 chapters or so of HxH have been basically political strategy and mind battles), but, at least for me, HxH is at its best when it gives us awesome, thought out battles, with interesting abilities, weird and brutal when it must be.
(Oh, and I know the King was simply put OVERKILL, but I know Togashi can have equally interesting fights on a much lower scale. Both Illumi and Hisoka are monsters themselves, and they will fight. Hisoka already has. They could've perfectly fought in any of the situations Togashi set up during the arc.)
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This week's chapter was nice.
! So Aruka can communicate with Nanika somehow… wasn't expecting that.
! Also, Killua is such a good oniichan gaah my heart! It was, I actually feel really bad for Nanika after being so terrified of it at first. Damn you, Togashi!
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Who knew that such a horrifying eyeless abomination like Nanika would turn out to be so damnable cute at the end?
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Late reply. I don't read Bakuman (shame on me?), but AFAIK, fights have little to nothing to do about it, right? HxH is, at its core, a combat manga. Just look at the massive amount of explanations for the Nen system and everything. The Ant Arc used almost every damn excuse to give us a fight (hello, lobster vs octopus!), and, hell, I loved that arc. What can I tell you, maybe I'm a fight junkie! The thing is, I can understand a cool down from all that fighting, but. . .this is, IMHO, overdoing it. Togashi literally chickened out of every situation that had "FIGHT" written all over it. Seriously, I can't be the ONLY one here who, seing the setting for the arc, thought that cool fighting scenes were coming. Never happened.
I know I may be sounding like a simpleton, but I like to think that series that excel at something, shouldn't ignore that something. It's like Toriko without the hyperbolicaly exaggerated fights, Beelzebub without the hilarious comedy or One Piece without the sense of adventure and wonder: they suffer without these elements. I think both HxH and OP are lucky in that they are so good they can ignore their biggest strengths and still give us very good stuff (Marineford was an almost no-bullshit, no joking, dead serious fighting orgy, and the last 30 chapters or so of HxH have been basically political strategy and mind battles), but, at least for me, HxH is at its best when it gives us awesome, thought out battles, with interesting abilities, weird and brutal when it must be.
(Oh, and I know the King was simply put OVERKILL, but I know Togashi can have equally interesting fights on a much lower scale. Both Illumi and Hisoka are monsters themselves, and they will fight. Hisoka already has. They could've perfectly fought in any of the situations Togashi set up during the arc.)
I can't necessarily agree with that statement. If HxH is really at its core a combat manga it really it is one that surprisingly lacks a lot of combat.
At least half of the confrontations in HxH are solved by psychological warfare and other tricks HxH. Sure combat is a part of the manga but if it's really at its core, I don't know about that.I personally think that HxH is at its worst when it has a lot of straight on fights.
The early parts of the ant arc are an example of that with having all the protagonists fight all these ants it wasn't bad but it lacked the tension that the situations of this arc had.For me the big draw of HxH are the aforementioned psychological fights and the really interesting world of hunters. Which we got plenty of this arc.
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Volume 30 is released on 04.04.
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-870450-0&mode=1
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I know its been brought up, but Im bringing it up again. The spiders are still a huge goal
No they aren't. Kurapika killed the strongest one, (Proving that in a 1 on 1 none of them are a problem for him) nerfed their leader, was responsible for the death of the second in command, and has no problem with Hisoka being a fake Spider. Most of the Spiders still around weren't actually part of the slaughtering of his clan, and he discovered that they are actual people with emotions as opposed to heartless monsters, and that purely seeking revenge for Revenge sake wasn't the best of goals.
His focus at this point should be to track down his clan's eyes, and little else.
I would be really surprised if there was ever another flat out "I'm going to fight and try to kill the spiders" arc. Especially after they've been not-villains on Greed Island and the Ant saga.
Now, Illumi on the other hand…
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Volume 30 is released on 04.04.
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-870450-0&mode=1
Awesome. It's been so long since 29, this was the thing that had me worried the most. I thought they weren't releasing 30, because Togashi was planning on going on hiatus again.
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I always expected after he got that nen removed what's his name would regroup with the spiders and go kill Kurapika
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@Zik:
I always expected after he got that nen removed what's his name would regroup with the spiders and go kill Kurapika
Kuroro isn't that kind of person at all. He didn't seem interested in killing the Zodillycks even after they tried to kill him so I don't think he's just blood thirsty or a revenge seeker.
Everything the spiders do has a purpose, they just have fun doing it. (Which is what makes them one fun as hell third party)
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Kuroro isn't that kind of person at all. He didn't seem interested in killing the Zodillycks even after they tried to kill him so I don't think he's just blood thirsty or a revenge seeker.
The Zoldyck's were just hired hitmen. It was the mafia bosses who really wanted them dead. And of course the mafia bosses are dead now, so…..
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Kuroro isn't that kind of person at all. He didn't seem interested in killing the Zodillycks even after they tried to kill him so I don't think he's just blood thirsty or a revenge seeker.
Everything the spiders do has a purpose, they just have fun doing it. (Which is what makes them one fun as hell third party)
What happened with that family isn't comparable to what Kurapika did. Killing some of the Ryodan was one thing (I even think he offered Kurapika a spot) but he managed to derail any plans Kuroro had a great deal by making him unable to use his abilities.
I figured when they crossed path again he'd try to kill Kurapika. I don't see him simply having the block removed and him going back to what he was doing before that happened.
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@Zik:
I figured when they crossed path again he'd try to kill Kurapika. I don't see him simply having the block removed and him going back to what he was doing before that happened.
If they kill him, his nen ability might become even worse in death, especially since its so specifically targeted at them. They're aware of him now, so they'll try to avoid him, rather than agitate him further.
If he arrives on their doorstep again, they might do their best to capture him and restrain him in an inescapable location and feed him ocassionally, or use a nen remover on him… but they're not going to seek out a direct confrontation or try to kill him. Not as straightforwardly as that.