Even if you DO use that logic, how are the names Cobra and Ace copyrighted?
I don't think the King of Alabasta is in any way related to the evil terrorist organization trying to take down G.I. Joe.
And, Nebra? Aww, you spoiled thefun :/. Still, it sounded like nobra to me.
Not Ace. There have been many people through cartoons and movies who were named Ace. No one holds the rights to that name.
No one also holds the rights to the name Cobra since cobra is a snake and therefore public domain.
The Zoro/Zolo thing is understandable.
Well I have a new sig. It would probably look better if I had pics from the anime, but it gets point across anyway.
Wasn't it known for awhile that it would be Trace? At least I've known since around December…As for Nebra, no idea for the change, unless 4kids decided they didn't want two Cobras
twitch If they change Kohza, Pell, or Chaka's names I swear my ultimate plan for gathering a huge angry mob to raid 4kids will immedietly come into action. WHO'S WITH ME?!
If you can't sleep, try counting the stars, even though a human life is too short to count them all.
though I admit I haven't seen the dubbed Mihawk fight or the infamous "Fantastic Voyage".
feels sick Oh god, you had to remind me of that episode. Only the bravest of the brave should watch it. It was, so far, but not by far, the worst dubbed episode EVER! Oh, and did you know that in the 4kids opening, Mihawk's sword is left uncut?
I was thinking.
Cobra = 4kids "GI Joe: Sigma Six"
Ace = Ace Bunny from theWB's "Loonatics Unleashed"
Could this possibly be the reason? Cause 4kids already has a show with Cobra and I'm pretty sure WB is owned by the same people 4kids is owned by.
Of course, they own the rights to G.I. Joe now.
But it's not like having two Cobras would confuse the kids.
One Piece Cobra is a kind king who cares about his people
Commander Cobra is evil and heartless and will do anything to take over the world.
Of course, they own the rights to G.I. Joe now.
But it's not like having two Cobras would confuse the kids.
One Piece Cobra is a kind king who cares about his people
Commander Cobra is evil and heartless and will do anything to take over the world.
This is 4kids we are talking about man.
don't bet on that my 7 year old cousins are still confused if you cover they're eyes and say they're blind
G.I. Joe: Sigma Six was created by 4KIDS.
34 minutes for me until the Alabasta Disasta hits my neighborhood. Wish me luck and may god be with all those who suffer with me.
Pulls out sword, shield, and helmet
Bring it on, Kahn.
This is 4kids we are talking about man.
You have a point there. No one knows what's going through their atom sized brains of theirs.
But they have barely any affliation with the WB (besides Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon which they don't own anymore) so why would Loonatics be a factor?
Well AWB1, I wish you luck. I'm going to bed.
So next week Bon Clay will be aboard the Merry Go mimmicking their voices. Lets all pray we can survive Bon Clay's + Ussop's voice, lets all pray…....
I surprise no one isn't happy about the name change for Ace. A lot of people thought it would be changed to Puma D.
What do you mean? We only have 5 pages. You must have set your CP to only include 10 posts her page.
Oh that could be it too. :laugh:
Even if you DO use that logic, how are the names Cobra and Ace copyrighted?
I don't think the King of Alabasta is in any way related to the evil terrorist organization trying to take down G.I. Joe.
Itâ€
s the name itself. I remember a long time of ago in a city far far away. George Lucas sued lead singer of 2 Live Crew who went by the stage name, Luke Skyywalker for copyright infringement and won.
No one also holds the rights to the name Cobra since cobra is a snake and therefore public domain.
As a general name for an animal, yes, but if used as a Proper Noun. No it cannot. “Zorro� is the real name for a breed of fox.
Hasbro owns the right to G.I. Joe. They just give 4kids permission to create a cartoon of their products
Its not a matter of kids being confused over the use of Cobra, its people identifying the character name with someone else.
This copyright and trademark thing is not an exact science. It has its loopholes.
@Nicole:
Sounds like a cross between a newt and a zebra. :wacko:
Or Nefetari and Cobra…
And in NA, last names aren't first, so with Vivi, kids would be confused... >_>
And is it possible to download it? >_> I don't have cable, you see...
Or Nefetari and Cobra…
And in NA, last names aren't first, so with Vivi, kids would be confused... >_>
And is it possible to download it? >_> I don't have cable, you see...
But strangely…. In the dub they say their last name first before their first name.
Like "Nefertari Vivi".
Everything was all for nothing
Like "Nefertari Vivi".
I remember that too; I think it's a mistake. 4Kids/Viz romanticized Luffy and Zoro's last names as their first, which work sometimes in western conventions (Seto Kaiba), but that never applies to girls.
By any chance, did 4Kids change Portgas in Ace's first name?:unsure:
I remember the 4Kids site listing Roronoa as Zoro's first name.
Dumbasses >.>…
EDIT:
@Nicole:
By any chance, did 4Kids change Portgas in Ace's first name?:unsure:
Like in the original, all he said was his first name. We'll find out soon enough, though.
Anyone know where I can DL the new OP intro? As crazy as this might sound, I actually liked the 4Kids rap intro :P
Regarding Ace's first name- did someone say that 'Portagus' was censored? Why?
Hey, so far it hasn't been so bad. Then again, the first commercial break has just started….
twitch If they change Kohza, Pell, or Chaka's names I swear my ultimate plan for gathering a huge angry mob to raid 4kids will immedietly come into action. WHO'S WITH ME?!
I can see it now…
Kohza will be Methuselah
Pell will be Bell
Chaka will be Blocker
Of course I am only speculating on those names.
And on the topic of name copyrighting. You can not copyright a name, however, you can copyright a character. In the case of Zoro --> Zolo, it makes sense, Disney's Zorro is a swordsman, One Piece's Zoro is a swordsman, very close in name and character, reasonable change. However there was no reason to change Ace to Trace, or Cobra to Nebra.
Uhm okay im not ready 13 pages… i read enough in the other therad but I want to say
1. Thanks for counting my vote in. No one said if it was or wasn't too late...
2. Uhm I updated saveonepiece.com... but I'm too angry now to think straight on what I plan to do.
3. ACE IS NOT TRACE >_<
4. Im going to call Al Kahn this week like for real.
_For with a closing door, another surely opens
Just you wait and see,
And when you look back on where we've been together
Wherever you may be
I hope that you remember me_
He hasn't said his full name yet… He just said it was "Trace". But from where we got the info (that random card website that actually turned out to be right) the rest of his name is the same as in the original.
There's another clip I made, but I'm sure that you guys won't wanna see it. It's just the opening credits, and me saying "The Alabasta Disasta begins!".
However there was no reason to change Ace to Trace, or Cobra to Nebra.
Remember, the villian on GI Joe Sigma 6 is also named Cobra? Unless it's spelled Kobra. If not, then 4Kids is probably afraid that kids are going to confuse the two whenever they talk to friends or whatever. Don't find anything on Ace, though. :hm:
If I hear another unecessary name change, I'm going to call 4Kids Headquarters, whether Kahn or somebody answers the phone or not.
@Sonique:
4. Im going to call Al Kahn this week like for real.
If you do call him, you need to record the conversation and post it for everyone to hear, also ask alot of questions.
@Nicole:
Remember, the villian on GI Joe Sigma 6 is also named Cobra? Unless it's spelled Kobra. 4Kids is probably afraid that kids are going to confuse the two whenever they talk to friends or whatever.
I'm sure kids can tell the difference between One Piece Cobra and G.I. Joe's Cobra from context. I mean, kids would have to be really dumb to say, "G.I. Joe almost got Cobra that one time.", (another kid), "But Cobra is the good guy! I mean, he's friends with Luffy! :("
They named Ace Trace?
I hope that was supposed to be a hint because if it wasnt I would be pissed.
I would have loved Puma D. Ace instead…
Atleast they gave him a cool voice.
Ace's voice is awesome. I guess 4Kids really knows how to cast the "badarse" characters of OP. :happy:
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A note that 4Kids changed Zoro to Zolo out of fear of lawsuits, but everything else is for OP name recognition. 4Kids does not want children to be confused with characters between shows, though I do not understand why; this seems to be a remnant of the 1950's when generics were advertised frequently and people could get confused with what brands to buy.
If you do call him, you need to record the conversation and post it for everyone to hear, also ask alot of questions.
I'm sure kids can tell the difference between One Piece Cobra and G.I. Joe's Cobra from context. I mean, kids would have to be really dumb to say, "G.I. Joe almost got Cobra that one time.", (another kid), "But Cobra is the good guy! I mean, he's friends with Luffy! :("
Wait, wait, wait- They named Ace 'Trace'?!?!? Now that's the dumbest crap I've heard since Horo Horo's name was changed to 'Trey', perhaps due to the fact that Horo Horo is pronounced 'Whore-o Whore-o'.
Someone call me when the raid on One Piece will begin, huzah!
If you do call him, you need to record the conversation and post it for everyone to hear, also ask alot of questions.
WOOT! WOOT! Yeah, and if Kahn says something wrong, like "Sorry, we don't deal with people like you, so why don't you older fans just dry up and blow away?!!" You can report it and he'll lose his fame and fortune for sure! :biggrin:
Bon Clay's voice sounds a tad different, kinda southern.
Cobra and Young Vivi have good voices.
Ace sounds exactly how I imagined his voice would be. Maybe Trace is his name, but his nickname is Ace. Maybe.
All in all, it wasn't that bad. I think you guys are overreacing a bit since the last arc was one of the better dubbed arcs.
Ok… refresh my memory, is it next episode, or the episode after next that Kohza shows up?
Letâ€s not have a heart attack over name changes. Before now theyâ€ve kept the original anime names in the dub. So they must have a good reason.
I'm sure kids can tell the difference between One Piece Cobra and G.I. Joe's Cobra from context. I mean, kids would have to be really dumb to say, "G.I. Joe almost got Cobra that one time.", (another kid), "But Cobra is the good guy! I mean, he's friends with Luffy! :("
Its doesnâ€t matter the difference in character, its who owns the name. If Hasbro want to make a big deal out of it, then they have a case. You canâ€t make money off someone elseâ€s name.
The producers of the movie “The Karate Kidâ€? had to get permission from DC comics to use the name because itâ€s the same name of one of their comic book characters.
@OP:
Let’s not have a heart attack over name changes. Before now they’ve kept the original anime names in the dub. So they must have a good reason.
Its doesn’t matter the difference in character, its who owns the name. If Hasbro want to make a big deal out of it, then they have a case. You can’t make money off someone else’s name.
The producers of the movie “The Karate Kid” had to get permission from DC comics to use the name because it’s the same name of one of their comic book characters.
Welll… all except one... Might I remind you of "Chaser"
If you can't sleep, try counting the stars, even though a human life is too short to count them all.
Welll… all except one... Might I remind you of "Chaser"
Okay let me rephrase that. They kept the name changes to two. They changed Smoker's name for obvious reasons.
Ace's voice is awesome. I guess 4Kids really knows how to cast the "badarse" characters of OP. :happy:
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A note that 4Kids changed Zoro to Zolo out of fear of lawsuits, but everything else is for OP name recognition. 4Kids does not want children to be confused with characters between shows, though I do not understand why; this seems to be a remnant of the 1950's when generics were advertised frequently and people could get confused with what brands to buy.
Actually the L and R sound use the same character in japan.
It could be that they misread it or that.
or both.
Bon Clay's voice sounds a tad different, kinda southern.
Cobra and Young Vivi have good voices.
Ace sounds exactly how I imagined his voice would be. Maybe Trace is his name, but his nickname is Ace. Maybe.
All in all, it wasn't that bad. I think you guys are overreacing a bit since the last arc was one of the better dubbed arcs.
Right. The episode itself wasn't really bad. Infact it was alright. The script was pretty much the same as the original. And most of the characters (especially Ace) have good voices. Of course it still had the occational 4Kids stupid dialog alert. But then again… They always do.
It's just the name changes that is getting everyone pissed, but I guess it's jutified that they are....
But also, new episodes haven't aired in like three months almost so... Everyone was just waiting to complain anyways. Not that it bothers me.
I've been waiting for this topic to thrive for months. It's been way too boring here.
Everything was all for nothing
I understand how they mistook Zoro's Name But how the hell did they get Ace's name wrong!!??
I expected 4kids to give Ace a australian accent but man I like this voice.
@OP:
Jeez, we've posted ten page already.:laugh:
Of course, they're going to change Ace's Swatstikka tattoo. Its a Nazi symbol!!!.
Its not a swat. its a manji
ahem Back to the topic. Yeah, though the voices weren't bad (except for our favorite okama), the name changes are horrible. How in the world are they going to edit his tatto?
The tattoo is pre-edited for your convinence.
As I gather it, the anime replaces the (can't remember the name) with crossed bones. All translations.
@OP:
Its doesnâ€
Names can't be copyrighted, nor can they be owned. CHARACTERS ARE OWNED. How many times must I say this before it gets through you people's thick skulls? For example, if names were copyrighted, then people with the last name "Sparrow" couldn't name their kid, "Jack" without having to pay Disney to use the name "Jack Sparrow". The controversy comes when someone uses a name that sounds similar on a similar character, like the Zoro-Zorro thing. But names cannot be owned or copyrighted, and that's a fact.
Okay hmm.. listening to Crocodile. He sounds like someone :bang: :bang: I know I heard him from somewhere before! :hm:
Haha, it almost sounds as if Cobra's name is Nebula, by the way Wapol talks.
And.. I don't like their made up pirate songs XD
Bailey was good as Morgan, but…RomanGod was right, he's not exceptional as Crocodile. It's also extremely weird to hear him say puns!
Names can't be copyrighted, nor can they be owned. CHARACTERS ARE OWNED. How many times must I say this before it gets through you people's thick skulls? For example, if names were copyrighted, then people with the last name "Sparrow" couldn't name their kid, "Jack" without having to pay Disney to use the name "Jack Sparrow". The controversy comes when someone uses a name that sounds similar on a similar character, like the Zoro-Zorro thing. But names cannot be owned or copyrighted, and that's a fact.
Wrong again. You can't use the name Superman, You can't use the name Spiderman, You can't use the name Zorro. Someone owns the rights and they can't be used without permission from its owner. I've citied court cases to the effect. Your example doensn't pertain to generic names. It pertains to commercial use of the names.
Bailey was good as Morgan, but…RomanGod was right, he's not exceptional as Crocodile. It's also extremely weird to hear him say puns!
Well actually…. He sounded better in this episode, than he did in Grand Battle.
I actually think he did an okay job here... While in Grand Battle he doesn't sound threatning at all.
Everything was all for nothing
Well actually…. He sounded better in this episode, than he did in Grand Battle.
I actually think he did an okay job here... While in Grand Battle he doesn't sound threatning at all.
Man, man…I pulled out some of my head hair over that voice. It's hard to imagine him worse in GB. x.X;
@OP:
Wrong again. You can't use the name Superman, You can't use the name Spiderman, You can't use the name Zorro. Someone owns the rights and they can't be used without permission from its owner. I've citied court cases to the effect. Your example doensn't pertain to generic names. It pertains to commercial use of the names.
Issues of trademark and copyright exist.
Superman and Spiderman and possibly Zorro are likely trademarked.
Copyright can't protect a name, but a trademark could.
You know what?
Fuck it.
I don't care if it won't work. Trace is the final straw. His voice? Decent. His name? Can we give the localizing staff some nice glasses of "Shut the hell up" juice?
This is just… good lord. I'm going to do something about it. Start a website? Fan campaign? Whatever.
