I'm really curious if Roger had that same power. Battle with Shiki, massive storm hits just before the fight begins. Could it be that the power Roger once possessed is now in Dragon's hands?
Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus
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Since there are only 3 ancient weapons, I don't think I would like it as much if the Gura Gura no mi ended up being considered an ancient weapon.
I feel like it should still be kept on the table since Shirahoshi's powers was considered one, but now I'm not so sure.
@triceron Roger's storm in chapter 0 always seemed like a storm of fate. That's what I remember from the narration box anyways.
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I want to know how Pluton, supposedly a ship, can be a weapon to destroy the world…
Is it a nuke, or a tank, or a plane or something?
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Pluton's a boat and Poseidon's a giant mermaid.
Ouranos must be a really big chicken that shoots fire, then.
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Nah, Uranus isn't Enel's Power but its most likely in his possession.(and its not Maxim; Maxim's there to maybe bring it down to earth.)
maxim was destroyed by spaces pirates and there is no gold neither wood on the moon to rebuilt it.
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I want to know how Pluton, supposedly a ship, can be a weapon to destroy the world…
Is it a nuke, or a tank, or a plane or something?
it's said that it can destroy a whole island with just one shot
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Enel might be on the moon for Ur anus.
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Hmm, I have thoughts over that Tom and his Plutons blueprints and Noah and Poseidon have a connection. Beacuse they after all have fishman island in common.
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According to this chapter "The 3 ancient weapons that bear the name of a god" so, unless something is undocumented in the phoneglyphs, or there are ancient weapons without the name of a god, yeah, only 3.
Mangareaders version says that but Mangastreams doesn't it just says "Three ancient weapons that bear the name of gods Pluton, Uranus, and Posidon."
which version is the correct one?
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maybe dragon has already taken control of the uranus weapon
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So.. Any chances the Ancient Weapons are somehow directly related to the devil fruits?
Maybe one of those Ancient weapons was what created the Devil fruits in the first place.
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maybe dragon has already taken control of the uranus weapon
If he had, the WG would have fallen by now.
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But even if he had it in his power to wipe out the World Government, he doesn't necessarily have the power to fight off the 4 Yonkou. If the Revolutionaries started a world war right now, they'll just weaken themselves and be prey to pirates.
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But even if he had it in his power to wipe out the World Government, he doesn't necessarily have the power to fight off the 4 Yonkou. If the Revolutionaries started a world war right now, they'll just weaken themselves and be prey to pirates.
As far as we know, The Yonkou and the Revolutionaries don't give a shit about each other. The Yonkou only care about doing their stuff (finding One Piece, maintaning their territories or having fun in the case of Shanks). They have no involvement in the conflict between the Revolutionaries and the World Government. Meanwhile, the Revolutionaries only care about overthrowing the WG.
Also, the 4 Yonkou aren't allied with each other, so if the Revolutionaries had to kill one of them for whatever reason, they could do it and, most likely, none of the others would care at all.
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After rereading Skypeia and Enel coverstory, I'm liking the theory that the Goro-Goro fruit is Uranus. The ancient people must have had some way to energize that large city on the moon.
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Jewelry Bonney is Uranus.
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Uranus -> Ancient Kingdom -> Sky Island
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I just need to clrify something-We already know what Pluton is.Its a freaking Battle ship.Its hidden somewhere in Arabasta.Why do people keep theorizing on what it is when we already have an answer!
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Cuz after reading the latest chapter, people forget that franky had the blueprints for Pluton, they think its a person like poseidon. xD
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Hey guys, I have a lot of catch-up reading to do on this forum but I hope this hasn't been said yet and if it has, I apologize in advance!
But something I've been thinking about lately: Pluton’s Clue Poneglyph was found in Alabasta (founded 500 years before the Void Century). Poseidon’s Clue Poneglyph was found in Shandora, which was Jaya at the time of the Void Century. Does that mean the Uranus’ Clue Poneglyph is on an island with a kingdom/civilization that existed during the Void Century?
This would actually disqualify it from being on Raftel as we know it (assuming that Raftel is some sort of secret, deserted island with One Piece on it). I don’t exactly have a list of kingdoms that existed prior the Void Century, but Fishman Island definitely did, as did Ohara, along with a slew of other places we haven’t even heard of yet, I’m sure.
The other thing is if Pluton is Hell, Uranus is Heaven and Poseidon is the Sea, does that mean Gaia exists somewhere as the Land? I know the Neptune said there’s only three, but maybe Luffy is Gaia (being that he can only fight on land) as a carrier of the Will of D. Eh, probably not, but fun to speculate nonetheless :D
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of course the phonegliphs have to be in a place which was inhabited by a civilization which existed during the void century, nobody else could have written them and i doubt you can move a phonegliph, it's so hard that it must weigh a lot too.
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of course the phonegliphs have to be in a place which was inhabited by a civilization which existed during the void century, nobody else could have written them and i doubt you can move a phonegliph, it's so hard that it must weigh a lot too.
It doesn't matter if raftel is a deserted island now, we don't know if people lived there in the blank century.Really good points! I didn't even think about Raftel possibly being inhabited back in the day.
Otherwise I remember that the Golden Bell was moved :P But it was moved by a knock-up stream capable of moving an entire island so that's something else entirely.EDIT: That reminds me, Robin found one of them in some unnamed/unidentifiable forest. That must've been near some sort of ancient civilization too? Do you think all Poneglyphs are?
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Really good points! I didn't even think about Raftel possibly being inhabited back in the day.
Otherwise I remember that the Golden Bell was moved :P But it was moved by a knock-up stream capable of moving an entire island so that's something else entirely.EDIT: That reminds me, Robin found one of them in some unnamed/unidentifiable forest. That must've been near some sort of ancient civilization too? Do you think all Poneglyphs are?
What i think is that there was some kind of civilization near that forest (ruins or maybe it still exists, it doesn't relly matter) and the person who wrote it decided to hide it in that forest, just like arabasta's phonegliph was hidden in the royal tomb, shandora's in the secret city of gold, ohara's in a secret room in a library which is in the roots of giant tree, and fishman island's in the sea forest.
I don't doubt at all that phonegliphs have to be in a place which is/was inhabited by/related to an ancient civilization. Arabasta has existed for 4000 thousand years, shandora for 1100 years, ohara for 5000 years. Phoengliphs are in palces which were inhabited at least 800 years ago.
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I'm not sure why Enel's lightning fruit is all that threatening to be considered to be Uranus. If anything, the Gura Gura fruit is much worse, it's already been called the 'power that can destroy the world'. I don't think fruit powers would be considered ancient either, I have a feeling they're something that came into being after the void century.
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Cronos, the World Goverment kingdom weapon that was able to castrate Uranus and devour Hades and Poseidon. Untill Zeus comes.
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What i think is that there was some kind of civilization near that forest (ruins or maybe it still exists, it doesn't relly matter) and the person who wrote it decided to hide it in that forest, just like arabasta's phonegliph was hidden in the royal tomb, shandora's in the secret city of gold, ohara's in a secret room in a library which is in the roots of giant tree, and fishman island's in the sea forest.
I don't doubt at all that phonegliphs have to be in a place which is/was inhabited by/related to an ancient civilization. Arabasta has existed for 4000 thousand years, shandora for 1100 years, ohara for 5000 years. Phoengliphs are in palces which were inhabited at least 800 years ago.
(the older date we've gotten for fishamn island is 200 years ago, but it was obviously inhabited in the blank century (joy boy prooves it))Eh where is that date from please akagami?
With the info from chapter 644 though no date is given frankly I think 'fishman island' was only created 800 years ago and the 'ryuguu kingdom' existed on the surface. How fast do you build an island the scale of FI though?Maybe FI was initially something of a refugee camp in the sea forest hence the poneglyph being located there lol. Then the island gradually built itself post conflict leaving the forest intact.
ps: where is the sea forest again?cn't find it on the map. Inside or outside FI?
ps:Apparently northeast of the island (op wiki..)so outside?ps: Scratch that I use 800 years ago by habit but I'm confusing dates here. 800-900 is the void century, conflict took place before that. I was thinking that VDD is the IX generation so his ancestor existed and did his quest for the legendary mermaid during the conflict period that led to the void century right? he died on 'fishman island' so there was one pre 800(A freshly built one following that exodus to the sea during the war lol). Talking of VDD, how come dude never found the princess 'Poseidon' if he ended up dying on FI she was alive at that time where was she?
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After rereading Skypeia and Enel coverstory, I'm liking the theory that the Goro-Goro fruit is Uranus. The ancient people must have had some way to energize that large city on the moon.
I think this is a really good point. How else was that civilization going to run? It requires lightning like crazy.
But someone else brought up a really good point about when Devil Fruits even came to existence. We know Vegapunk is working on them but who's the oldest person we know with one? It doesn't seem like anyone pre-Whitebeard had one, was there?I don't know if we can speculate that they've even been around 200 years ago, let alone 800. I could be totally wrong though :P
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I'm not sure why Enel's lightning fruit is all that threatening to be considered to be Uranus. If anything, the Gura Gura fruit is much worse, it's already been called the 'power that can destroy the world'. I don't think fruit powers would be considered ancient either, I have a feeling they're something that came into being after the void century.
If there is any fruit (if the fruit is actually the thing that has the ability) that I would call Uranus than that one would be Blackbeards'. I don't know but in the scan of this chapter I read Jinbe said Blackbeard is actually going around stealing powerful devil fruits in the New World. BB already has 2 and perhaps he can even absorb more. I don't know if he can absorb more but, if, for instance, it was his devil fruit or the black cloak he used for stealing Whitebeards' fruit than it is a force to be reckoned with. It is unheard having more than 1 DF but it is most likely unheard of that someone extracted one from another person.
I don't know if Blackbeard is powerful enough to take on Aokiji at this point but most likely he is, seeing he is a yonkou and Aokiji is/was severly injured. Anyway, Aokiji's devil fruit could prove to be a real hassle to fight fot the straw hats. I hope Aokiji is looking for the straw hats and that he will find them before something were to happen to him. -
Cronos, the World Goverment kingdom weapon that was able to castrate Uranus and devour Hades and Poseidon. Untill Zeus comes.
Are you saying Franky will have built a modern Ancient Weapon by the end of the series?
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I'm gonna stick with the theory of Uranus being the tree that creates Devil Fruits on a Sky Island, and they drop into the ocean.
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So far we have no hints that Ancient Weapons have a direct connection to Devil Fruits aside from both being artifatcs of the Void Age.
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Are you saying Franky will have built a modern Ancient Weapon by the end of the series?
I'd love that .
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So far we have no hints that Ancient Weapons have a direct connection to Devil Fruits aside from both being artifatcs of the Void Age.
Sorry for being a noob - how do we know Devil Fruits are from the Void Age?
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So… just a thought...
If Uranus is a devil fruit like a few suggest... and Pluton is a weapon... and Poseidon is just a natural ability...
A person who is able to have all 3 (which from what we understand is possible) you are invincible. You can't even drown if you control sea kings which can save you. You got a huge super weapon, and possibly the strongest devil fruit ever.
Interesting.
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So… just a thought...
If Uranus is a devil fruit like a few suggest... and Pluton is a weapon... and Poseidon is just a natural ability...
A person who is able to have all 3 (which from what we understand is possible) you are invincible. You can't even drown if you control sea kings which can save you. You got a huge super weapon, and possibly the strongest devil fruit ever.
Interesting.
Sounds like the Deathly Hollows :P
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Eh where is that date from please akagami?
With the info from chapter 644 though no date is given frankly I think 'fishman island' was only created 800 years ago and the 'ryuguu kingdom' existed on the surface. How fast do you build an island the scale of FI though?Maybe FI was initially something of a refugee camp in the sea forest hence the poneglyph being located there lol. Then the island gradually built itself post conflict leaving the forest intact.
ps: where is the sea forest again?cn't find it on the map. Inside or outside FI?
ps:Apparently northeast of the island (op wiki..)so outside?ps: Scratch that I use 800 years ago by habit but I'm confusing dates here. 800-900 is the void century, conflict took place before that. I was thinking that VDD is the IX generation so his ancestor existed and did his quest for the legendary mermaid during the conflict period that led to the void century right? he died on 'fishman island' so there was one pre 800(A freshly built one following that exodus to the sea during the war lol). Talking of VDD, how come dude never found the princess 'Poseidon' if he ended up dying on FI she was alive at that time where was she?
the date is from here
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v63/c620/14.html
fishmna island joined the world government 200 years ago.The sea forest is outside fishman island, in the sea floor, it's only comunicated with the island through the water way that is used by the bus station. I think first they constructed the bubble with those machines, then somehow put earth and water inside and then they built the city, this could have happen when the old civilization still existed so they could have used their technology.
We don't know for sure if the first vander decken lived in the blanck century, you can't assume that each vander decken lived at least 100 years and then had a son, Unless fishmen, like the giants, live more than humans. Anyways i also think that he lived in the blank century somehow, I can't guess how he heard about the prophecy, but it's possible that he couldn't see the princess before he died, or maybe poseidon was alrewady dead when deckenI reache dthe island, she didn't have to lived for the whole blank century. WE have yet to know the origins of vander decken I to understand this, where did the legend about his curse come from?
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the date is from here
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v63/c620/14.html
fishmna island joined the world government 200 years ago.The sea forest is outside fishman island, in the sea floor, it's only comunicated with the island through the water way that is used by the bus station. I think first they constructed the bubble with those machines, then somehow put earth and water inside and then they built the city, this could have happen when the old civilization still existed so they could have used their technology.
We don't know for sure if the first vander decken lived in the blanck century, you can't assume that each vander decken lived at least 100 years and then had a son, Unless fishmen, like the giants, live more than humans. Anyways i also think that he lived in the blank century somehow, I can't guess how he heard about the prophecy, but it's possible that he couldn't see the princess before he died, or maybe poseidon was alrewady dead when deckenI reache dthe island, she didn't have to lived for the whole blank century. WE have yet to know the origins of vander decken I to understand this, where did the legend about his curse come from?
Thanks you are so good at digging stuff up I nominate you for best researcher remember that.
Edit: Had to go read back on the void century I was mixing things up separating the conflict period from 'void century' when it's the same.
Assumed 100 years for it to fit nicely lol. He must have lived during this century though. Perhaps during his quest conflict had not escalated yet for poseidon to publicly use her power as a weapon. -
If Uranus being able to control the sky wouldn't it be like the weather balls in Weatheria ?
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Are you saying Franky will have built a modern Ancient Weapon by the end of the series?
oxymoron.
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I think in the end, Luffy will have influence over all the weapons. This includes Shirahoshi.
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I hope not. If anything, the ancient weapons should be devided amongst three great powers. Luffy using Shirahoshi aka Poseidon, The world government using Pluton and Blackbeard having Uranus would be the most interesting. Luffy already has a lot of support from powerful people (and we are probably only just over half of the story) and him having all weapons would make it quite boring…
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I hope not. If anything, the ancient weapons should be devided amongst three great powers. Luffy using Shirahoshi aka Poseidon, The world government using Pluton and Blackbeard having Uranus would be the most interesting. Luffy already has a lot of support from powerful people (and we are probably only just over half of the story) and him having all weapons would make it quite boring…
yeah it would make things quite boring if luffy possesed so much power =(
if anything i would give BB pluton and the WG uranus but those are just my 5 cent's =D
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Dont know if this is brought up or not,
While i was reading this months shonen jump with chapters 603-605 I realized something kinda interesting.
The viz translataion for sea-king is neptunians. And since its almost fishman island I thought of king neptune and his daughter shiaroshi who can control them. So theres kind of a happy accident with there translation.
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I hope not. If anything, the ancient weapons should be devided amongst three great powers. Luffy using Shirahoshi aka Poseidon, The world government using Pluton and Blackbeard having Uranus would be the most interesting. Luffy already has a lot of support from powerful people (and we are probably only just over half of the story) and him having all weapons would make it quite boring…
enel should come back with uranus, the Government with pluton and shanks with poseidon. I don't think luffy or blackbeard should get an ancient weapon (although luffy will be on shanks side)
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Dragon is Uranus…
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Dragon is Uranus…
Maybe it has something to do with his tattoo also. Isn't it stacked on his face with 3 same symbols? Maybe significant to the 3 Weapons.
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yeah it would make things quite boring if luffy possesed so much power =(
if anything i would give BB pluton and the WG uranus but those are just my 5 cent's =D
Aah yes, indeed, because Blackbeard has never had a descent ship of his own and Pluton is a ship right? Would indeed be a great addition to his crew. I do wonder if it is a ancient weapon that has made the marines even more powerful or something entirely different. I'm quite curious. BTW, what's going on with the spoilers? I know there's a double issue and all but even then it seems to be a bit late.
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Aah yes, indeed, because Blackbeard has never had a descent ship of his own and Pluton is a ship right? Would indeed be a great addition to his crew. I do wonder if it is a ancient weapon that has made the marines even more powerful or something entirely different. I'm quite curious. BTW, what's going on with the spoilers? I know there's a double issue and all but even then it seems to be a bit late.
Well, we still have 4 more hours of Thursday where i live (Pacific time Zone), and 7 more hours if you push against the international date line. Also, Thursday was a guess on Brennen's part, so we could easily just get them tomorrow morning or so.
I think the 1 week/3 week split is official though, so we'll probably have to wait 3 weeks after this chapter for the next one. Its going to be brutal here . . .
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