@Lazy:
I'm going with a DF Tree somewhere (probably Raftel).
If no-one bar Gol.D Roger (and possibly WB/Shanks) has been at Raftel, how would people get access to the Devil fruits?
@Lazy:
I'm going with a DF Tree somewhere (probably Raftel).
If no-one bar Gol.D Roger (and possibly WB/Shanks) has been at Raftel, how would people get access to the Devil fruits?
If no-one bar Gol.D Roger (and possibly WB/Shanks) has been at Raftel, how would people get access to the Devil fruits?
It could fall of the tree (like fruits do) and conveniently fall in the ocean, it could've been traded for centuries and been passed down or some other contrived way to pass it on.
Devil fruits don't rot; kind of strange when you think about it.
Hmm very true about Kaku and Califa. So is this to say that once a fruit is eaten nobody else can have the power for the time the user has it but once that user dies another fruit is, for lack of a better word, "born" having that same ability?
Well I mean that was already confirmed way back in an SBS around the volume where Kuzan was first introduced if I remember correctly so we know for sure only one can have the ability corresponding to whatever Devil Fruit that person ate.
That does have me curious though with Teach and whatever method he used to obtain the Gura Fruit's abilities. If by "bending" one of the fundamental rules regarding Power Users, gravityman was actually able to get the fruit itself than it is pretty much gone until Teach dies. However, if that's not the case then there might be a small chance of seeing another quakeman down the line. If I had to guess I'd go with the former since it leaves the Blackbeard Pirates as the crew to worry about in terms of collateral damage among other things. Plus with my little theory on how that whole thing was done, it shows just how creative Teach managed to be with the Yami Fruit even if it was a one time thing.
I'm hoping some character will show up with the powers of the Mera Mera no Mi. And then we'll get an explanation about the same fruit being usable again after someone dies etc.
@Superbear:
Devil fruits don't rot; kind of strange when you think about it.
Maybe because of the swirls? What does that say about Sanji
Maybe they are already rotten, hence why they taste so bad.
Well I mean that was already confirmed way back in an SBS around the volume where Kuzan was first introduced if I remember correctly so we know for sure only one can have the ability corresponding to whatever Devil Fruit that person ate.
That does have me curious though with Teach and whatever method he used to obtain the Gura Fruit's abilities. If by "bending" one of the fundamental rules regarding Power Users, gravityman was actually able to get the fruit itself than it is pretty much gone until Teach dies. However, if that's not the case then there might be a small chance of seeing another quakeman down the line. If I had to guess I'd go with the former since it leaves the Blackbeard Pirates as the crew to worry about in terms of collateral damage among other things. Plus with my little theory on how that whole thing was done, it shows just how creative Teach managed to be with the Yami Fruit even if it was a one time thing.
Yeah he is a pretty creative and dangerous guy. He had years and years aboard Whitebeards ship to think about what he was going to do with the fruit and its possible that the encyclopedia had either fully or partially described what the fruit was capable of. I wonder if he didn't take Whitebeards ability would he have been able to just eat another fruit and is he capable of consuming any more fruits from now on? I think the way the discussed it made it seem like two would be the limit for him, but Marco did mention that his body was fundamentally different than other people in the world. I like your theory though and the Yami fruit does sound like one of the only fruits that would be able to bend the fundametal rules of fruits, but perhaps it's a combination of the fruit and Teach's own physiology that made it all possible.
Aside from that yes I do believe that the Blackbeard Pirates are a huge crew to worry about. But the best thing I love about One Piece is that there are so many different pirate crews out there, especially in the New World (including two Yonkou crews that we have not even met yet). Either way things are going to get really exciting once the Fishman Island arc is over (not that this arc is boring, but I'm definitley looking forward to a lot more like meeting different crews, meeting Vegapunk, and even seeing Coby develop as a Marine).
@Lazy:
Maybe they are already rotten, hence why they taste so bad.
Then, when they're fresh off the mythical DF tree, they won't taste nearly as bad? Though Oda said they'd always have the swirls… so that means people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between fresh and rotten fruits. Who knows how long the Gomu Gomu no mi was sitting out without refrigeration.
Oh but wait, do DFs have some sort of smell? I doubt it, since when the CP9 were discussing them, Jabra didn't complain about a smell.
As for things like the origin? We've been told that we'll get answers about stuff like that once Vegapunk is brought into the forefront. Though personally I'm hoping fundamental things like why only one can be eaten or why it doesn't allow a Power User to swim stay a mystery.
I think Vegapunk will tell us how exactly the DFs are working in the body or else it couldn`t be explained how he transfered that to not living objects.
Also by knowing how he transfered DF abilitys in not living object i think we have the answer how Teach was able to give himself the Gura-Fruit ability and maybe with some backround of himself we may know how he can handle two abilitys at the same time.
Why exactly DFs are existing in the world of OP could also stay for me a mysterie..we heard that those are abilitys granted by a "sea-devil" and thats also the case why you can
t swim anymore after you obtained that ability.
Doesn`t need much more explanation in my eyes, but who knows maybe Oda will link this to the ancient kingdom or something like that^^
I don't think it's going to get scientific like the force. Probably just a better explanation, similar to what we got with haki.
I'm hoping some character will show up with the powers of the Mera Mera no Mi. And then we'll get an explanation about the same fruit being usable again after someone dies etc.
Hoping for that as well… Hopefully some new character in the Marines, or Coby (yeah, I know, overused), or, alternatively, integrated into the new Pacifista upgrades.
Hoping for that as well… Hopefully some new character in the Marines, or Coby (yeah, I know, overused), or, alternatively, integrated into the new Pacifista upgrades.
Why would the Marines bother with the Mera Mera fruit if they already have Akainu around?
Why would the Marines bother with the Mera Mera fruit if they already have Akainu around?
Because it's still a powerful DF -> it trumps Aokiji's DF.
Why would the Marines bother with the Mera Mera fruit if they already have Akainu around?
Why wouldn't they? Fire-breathing Pacifistas with Laser-hands. Win.
I think it has to do with salt, specifically. That's why Brook used salt to purify the zombies, because Moria used devil fruit powers to turn them into zombies, so it undoes their power to have someone throw salt down their mouths. I don' t think it has to do with water at all, but rather it has to do with the salt IN the water. It "embodies the power of the ocean."
WTF is wrong with you people answering 5+ years old messages ? With huge characters ?
@Lazy:
Because it's still a powerful DF -> it trumps Aokiji's DF.
They seem more like equals. However Akainu totally trumps Aokiji.
BB had to be a bastard and steal Whitebeard's Power. JERK. XD
Would been cool to see a randomner eat it and suddenly become a super-power overnight.
Coby or Helmeppo with the Mera-Mera Fruit, maybe?
@Superbear:
They seem more like equals. However Akainu totally trumps Aokiji.
DF power wise that's probably true, but I hope you aren't saying that Akainu is definitely stronger than Aokiji in general terms.
DF power wise that's probably true, but I hope you aren't saying that Akainu is definitely stronger than Aokiji in general terms.
No all Admirals combat wise seem equal to me, but when you match Devil fruit together its obvious that Akainu's fruit has a large advantage over Aokiji's fruit.
What do people think of artificially created DFs (with some serious side effects)? It might be a major point in a Vegapunk-related arc…?
BB had to be a bastard and steal Whitebeard's Power. JERK. XD
Would been cool to see a randomner eat it and suddenly become a super-power overnight.
Ah, but see, it's Whitebeard's cunning and intelligence along with his DF that made him a superpower, not just the DF alone. A random person eating it could be content to live their life on his home island, silently harboring vast potential.@Louis:
DF power wise that's probably true, but I hope you aren't saying that Akainu is definitely stronger than Aokiji in general terms.
Going off what I just said to speedy, if they were to ever fight, it'd come down to the craftiness and cleverness of the user. But Fruit-to-Fruit it's hard to but Ice over Magma.
@Lazy:
What do people think of artificially created DFs (with some serious side effects)? It might be a major point in a Vegapunk-related arc…?
It'd be interesting, but I think it's rather unlikely. More likely when we meet Vegapunk we'll learn more about Object DFs like the Dog-gun and Elephant-sword.
What do you guys think might happen if a pregnant woman had a devil fruit. Like before having the baby? Not really serious just thinking about it.
What do you guys think might happen if a pregnant woman had a devil fruit. Like before having the baby? Not really serious just thinking about it.
The woman would get the powers and the baby would still be a regular baby. The powers are given to the user at the moment he/she/it bites the fruit.
I hope all those people who thought that the Yomi Yomi fruit's only function was to give its user a second life,feel dumb as a rock now.
Well, even Brook and his crew thought that. Likely that's all that would have happened for Brook if not for his peculiar circumstance of not returning to his body after it had become a Skeleton.But here we are. BECAUSE he returned to life as a Skeleton, the power of the Yomi Yomi extended to what we now see Brook is capable of.
Well, even Brook and his crew thought that. Likely that's all that would have happened for Brook if not for his peculiar circumstance of not returning to his body after it had become a Skeleton.But here we are. BECAUSE he returned to life as a Skeleton, the power of the Yomi Yomi extended to what we now see Brook is capable of.
Being a skeleton has nothing to do with astro -projection or the invigoration of human souls.
My theory is that he can do these things because he is "already dead."
I think that if had found his body right away and was still flesh-and-blood, he would not have found these properties of the Yomi Yomi.
(also, it's astral-projection)
But Psy–he technically was doing it before he found his body–since he was searching in spirit form all that time, yk? lol
And since that was the case, it stands to reason that his body was decaying around the bones all that time (yucky) so I sorta wonder how that would have worked had he found his body sooner, or even immediately--e.g. if he'd have been a creepy decaying zombie if he'd found his body earlier--or if it would have stopped decaying while the spirit was inhabiting it--and if that is so, and do the bones continue to decay now (I'm guessing not--since he was floating for about 50 years before he got found, right?) or if they would decay more while he's out of body?
And yes, OF COURSE this is thinking it through too much, lol. Its Halloween, here, so its FUN.
@I:
But Psy–he technically was doing it before he found his body–since he was searching in spirit form all that time, yk? lol
And since that was the case, it stands to reason that his body was decaying around the bones all that time (yucky) so I sorta wonder how that would have worked had he found his body sooner, or even immediately--e.g. if he'd have been a creepy decaying zombie if he'd found his body earlier--or if it would have stopped decaying while the spirit was inhabiting it--and if that is so, and do the bones continue to decay now (I'm guessing not--since he was floating for about 50 years before he got found, right?) or if they would decay more while he's out of body?
And yes, OF COURSE this is thinking it through too much, lol. Its Halloween, here, so its FUN.
I would think that his body would stop decaying when his spirit reentered it; the notion I get is that the body is perpetually preserved in the state it was when the user is revived. So at this point his bones wouldn't decay anymore, though I'm not sure if they would continue to when he temporarily leaves his body. There's also no reason to assume that Brook's skeletal state is the only reason he can do what he does; he made a point of saying that muscles and organs don't keep him alive, only his soul does; so had his body not decayed he could probably do everything he does, including detach his limbs, it would just be grosser and weirder 'cause he'd still be flesh and blood. XD
I disagree, personally. Frankly, I don't have any kind of evidence to support it, nor can I make a statement to make an argument better than what I said before. In either case, we'll never know and should be satisfied with the fact Brook can do these things.
Unless someone wants to write to Oda for an SBS. That'd be friggin' awesome.
I would think that his body would stop decaying when his spirit reentered it; the notion I get is that the body is perpetually preserved in the state it was when the user is revived. So at this point his bones wouldn't decay anymore, though I'm not sure if they would continue to when he temporarily leaves his body. There's also no reason to assume that Brook's skeletal state is the only reason he can do what he does; he made a point of saying that muscles and organs don't keep him alive, only his soul does; so had his body not decayed he could probably do everything he does, including detach his limbs, it would just be grosser and weirder 'cause he'd still be flesh and blood. XD
He might not be flesh and blood. As brooke said the DF is what keeps his soul in his body. The almost limitless power of the DF. So its possible that his body would be dead even if he had gotten right back to it and would be powered by the DF even with flesh still attached. Although it it possible the DF only does this because he doesnt have flesh to attach the soul too.
Its starting to look like the yomi yomi lets brooke attach his soul to whatever he wants.
He might not be flesh and blood. As brooke said the DF is what keeps his soul in his body. The almost limitless power of the DF. So its possible that his body would be dead even if he had gotten right back to it and would be powered by the DF even with flesh still attached. Although it it possible the DF only does this because he doesnt have flesh to attach the soul too.
Its starting to look like the yomi yomi lets brooke attach his soul to whatever he wants.
I mean, if he returned to his body when the flesh was still on the skeleton he'd still have flesh technically. But he could just detach his limbs and stuff without consequences, kind of like the Headless Horseman I suppose.
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One wonders, though, whether his soul would be able to inhabit other beings... Obviously it can be extended to his sword, I'm just curious to see the extent of that ability. Would be pretty cool, if not hilarious.
Maybe brook could inhabit one of Franky's new robo toys. :ninja:
Maybe brook could inhabit one of Franky's new robo toys. :ninja:
that would be awesome as long as he doesnt hurt zeo too much
So BB is hunting powerful DF abilities.
Who is betting he is either giving them to the other members of his crew or storing them somehow.
So BB is hunting powerful DF abilities.
Who is betting he is either giving them to the other members of his crew or storing them somehow.
I'm calling that BB's demise will be him losing control of the multiple DF powers he stole and them tearing him apart >.>
I'm calling that BB's demise will be him losing control of the multiple DF powers he stole and them tearing him apart >.>
Luffy will punch him in the tummy and he'll spew DF… :ninja:
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has anyone discussed about DF's wave?
Chopper did mention that rumble balls disrupt the wavelength of his DF. Now, it got me interested how logia users have altered state (i.e. flowing/not solid body), and I was thinking it's caused by the wave of DF which somehow able manipulate the physics of matter. So the DF users have duality of body: real body (normally inaccessible) and altered-state body (flowing body for logia users).
EDIT: The wave has a source in the body, which emits the wave to the whole body, even to the clothing, so this theory can also be used to explain how the clothing of DF users follow the characteristics of the DF abilities.
This led me to the theory of DF power transfer, where Vegapunk somehow managed to observe the wave and discovered the method to transfer (the source of) it.
And then came BB's DF and CoA haki, that somehow I believe can disrupt the wave (gravity sucks the wave from user's body; haki just disrupt it on the contact area) so they can be used to hurt DF users' real body because there's no wave on the contact area that gives protective advantages.
BB's DF can somehow suck the source of the wave from WB's body into his own body, and keep it functional (perhaps this is related to his body's anomaly), so he can somehow manipulate the two different kinds of wave to use the abilities.
Well, the wave theory doesn't explain all things about DF and it creates many questions, such as haki's effect on zoan users (have we seen it?) or why it doesn't affect the (haki) user's own DF power (perhaps because CoA is worn as an armor and the wave works inside the body), so for now this is purely a speculative theory.
If this theory has been discussed before, I apologize.
so…....
with so many volumes released and so many developments have arise.. does someone have a new theory about the relation between devil fruit, grand line and one piece (or maybe with the lost century too)..?
is it something created by god...? or cursed fruit that only hell knows from where they come from..
It's actually more interesting that we don't know how long DF have been around for - are they recent like post VC or have they always been there?
It seems to me they may have either been rarer in the past, or perhaps people were more afraid of trying them. Take a look at Roger's Crew.
Shanks - No DF
Buggy - Didn't have a DF until he accidentally ate the one he wanted to steal.
Rayleigh - Seen swimming so no DF
Crocus - Seen swimming so no DF
Made me wonder if Roger's crew knew something more about DFs and avoided them with reason. But there was the chapter they found a DF (Buggy's) and they planned to sell it. So perhaps they were just rarer? Then again DFs were made to be some rare thing back in the East Blue saga and once we're on the grandline it seemed as if almost every villain had such. Also Shanks was very unhappy that Luffy ate the Rubber DF. Could it be that he was upset that Luffy just ate it without any regards of the consequences (and Shanks values swimming that much?) or does he know something more and perhaps a similar reason why Roger's crew seemingly so far had no DF users?
However seeing Brook had a DF indicates that DFs were around even before Roger's time. But again - was likely rare.
Hmm, you know that's actually a decent point. I don't see them being any more rare now than in the past though. Seems more so to me that we've only met certain people from Roger's crew. Luffy just so happens to have met 4 DF users as crew mates, as I'm sure Roger met some. We're only see the non-eaters from the crew. Imagine, for instance, if we'd saw the story as if Luffy was pirate king. I'm sure the first few people to be introduced would be humans (Zoro, Sanji, Nami most likely). And the EB rarity thing is because they're likely more common on the GL, and we're only seeing the top tier people of the world. It's not like every citizen in Alabasta had one… just relatively strong people who stand out.
As for Shanks being upset though... that could be more about his beliefs and concern for Luffy. Buggy seems to believe pirates should be able to swim for treasure, where Shanks seems to have felt since the sea is where a pirate is often they should swim. Seeing Luffy eat the DF he might've been afraid because if you're a weaker pirate, and a DF user, it would be easier to send you into the ocean.
It seems to me they may have either been rarer in the past, or perhaps people were more afraid of trying them. Take a look at Roger's Crew.
Also Shanks was very unhappy that Luffy ate the Rubber DF. Could it be that he was upset that Luffy just ate it without any regards of the consequences (and Shanks values swimming that much?) or does he know something more and perhaps a similar reason why Roger's crew seemingly so far had no DF users?
Actually I am pretty certain that it will be revealed Roger had Luffy's DF power and Shanks put the DF in reach of Luffy to ensure he ate it.
Yes I know people dispute it but until almost the end of the series unless someone says Roger had no DF ability at all. We will never know only speculate.