Anybody else notice that Luffy has yet to take anything all that seriously? I guess you could say he's acting more like a Captain, but since the fighting has started he's been very, lackadaisical I guess. Something just seems different in comparison to his previous fights, I guess its because he doesn't really have a vested interest into anything that's going on in FI.
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Actually he's been getting serious way too frequently. He now always gets these beast mode eyes whenever he's about to hit somebody. Before he could hit people and still be laughing/joking around but now he seems too mature when he's fighting.
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Actually he's been getting serious way too frequently. He now always gets these beast mode eyes whenever he's about to hit somebody. Before he could hit people and still be laughing/joking around but now he seems too mature when he's fighting.
He is still laughing when he fights like when he destroyed the steel turtle shells. The serious bit was when he first attacked Hodi. It was suggested somewhere on these forums that is likely because Hodi threatened someones Brother (Refer to my Sig). After what Luffy went through it's understandable that anything involving threating someones brother would get him angry.
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Didn't VDD take his glove off when he threw that axe at the princess?
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Anybody else notice that Luffy has yet to take anything all that seriously? I guess you could say he's acting more like a Captain, but since the fighting has started he's been very, lackadaisical I guess. Something just seems different in comparison to his previous fights, I guess its because he doesn't really have a vested interest into anything that's going on in FI.
I think it's mostly because Hody isn't really a challenge for Luffy at all. The fight has been one-sided.
So far, Hody only manage to land one hit on Luffy and it didn't even hurt him, due to Luffy being rubber. -
I think it's mostly because Hody isn't really a challenge for Luffy at all. The fight has been one-sided.
So far, Hody only manage to land one hit on Luffy and it didn't even hurt him, due to Luffy being rubber.And he only landed that hit because Luffy let him land it, most likely because he thought it would be funny.
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Anyone else think Luffy's arm/legs/whatever aren't actually turning black? It's just a visual cue for the readers so we know something is up. Otherwise these attacks would be completely indistinguishable from normal ones. If his body was actually changing colour, i'm sure someone in the story would have mentioned such a fantastical occurrence, like they do with every other similarly notable thing that happens.
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@Dan:
Anyone else think Luffy's arm/legs/whatever aren't actually turning black? It's just a visual cue for the readers so we know something is up. Otherwise these attacks would be completely indistinguishable from normal ones. If his body was actually changing colour, i'm sure someone in the story would have mentioned such fantastical occurrence, like they do with every other similarly notable thing that happens.
This is what I think as well. It'll be interesting to see if Oda's style stays the same with it or changes. Sometimes Haki seems to activate so fast that Luffy can't say "busoshoku haki!" when he raises his arm to block an attack, like on the ending of page 5/ beginning of 6 of this chapter, so shading his arm really black indicates it. Just like when someone's eyes have those lines over them, shit's about to get serious.
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do u know where i can find the cnet translations when MH is down?
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That thing about VDD throwing Devil Fruit users. He can throw the admirals and logias but they can still hover pass the effect and find a way to prevent themselves from going into the water
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Seeing this chapter makes me wonder, if the whole "blackening" of luffy's hand is some sort of personalized haki, then if he uses it with gear 2, will his smoke turn black…
it is black because vulcanized (hardened) rubber is black
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Anybody else notice that Luffy has yet to take anything all that seriously? I guess you could say he's acting more like a Captain, but since the fighting has started he's been very, lackadaisical I guess. Something just seems different in comparison to his previous fights, I guess its because he doesn't really have a vested interest into anything that's going on in FI.
What? The whole Luffy going to save Zoro, Brook, and Usopp thing was very serious. In the past, Luffy would've just said Zoro will get them all out but no Luffy insisted on getting there asap. Also, Brook WAS getting everyone out. We don't know how exactly it happened but I think Zoro said he had already been freed before they came. So yeah Luffy doesn't take the possibility of his friends dying for granted anymore
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@Great:
it is black because vulcanized (hardened) rubber is black
yeah, i know. I was just wondering if he used it with gear 2, would it look like this:
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@Great:
it is black because vulcanized (hardened) rubber is black
¿Can you stop the bullshit about "vulcanization", please?
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¿Can you stop the bullshit about "vulcanization", please?
Since luffy is vulcanizing himself, does that mean if he uses Gear 2, he'll smell like burning rubber?
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i don't think part of luffy turning black is him vulcanizing himself. I think it just a visual effect for the reader so they can know when he is using COA haki to hardend a part of his body.
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Actually he's been getting serious way too frequently. He now always gets these beast mode eyes whenever he's about to hit somebody. Before he could hit people and still be laughing/joking around but now he seems too mature when he's fighting.
I don't see this at all. Luffy, to me, is just as goofy and just as serious in situations where it is called for as he has always been, with few exceptions, which are necessary due to recent happenings (TS, Ace's death). It sucks that you don't see his new maturity the way you expected to.
This is what I think as well. It'll be interesting to see if Oda's style stays the same with it or changes. Sometimes Haki seems to activate so fast that Luffy can't say "busoshoku haki!" when he raises his arm to block an attack, like on the ending of page 5/ beginning of 6 of this chapter, so shading his arm really black indicates it. Just like when someone's eyes have those lines over them, shit's about to get serious.
This doesn't make much sense to me. The lines that one usually sees when "shit's about to get serious" is completely different because it's a form of shading that you can use on ANY character. It's just a shadow cast over the eyes taken to a farther extent for dramatic purpose, but it's not out of the ordinary because it's common in drawing and no one will say a thing the same way we wouldn't say anything when a cap creates shade on someone's face in real life. But this blackening is unique and completely mysterious and I don't believe Oda would do something so weird and focus so much on it (The panel on page 5 that solely focuses on the black arm) to make it unseen by anyone else in the story. If you're implying that the arm isn't even turning black then this might be possible. Maybe the black is formed from inside Luffy's arm to show the haki?:wassat:
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@Great:
it is black because vulcanized (hardened) rubber is black
I HATE that stupid term…and I doubt it has to do with real vulcanization since that would mean that once Luffy turns black it would be an irreversible effect.
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i don't think part of luffy turning black is him vulcanizing himself. I think it just a visual effect for the reader so they can know when he is using COA haki to hardend a part of his body.
most likely not, otherwise they would've done it with all other characters
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I HATE that stupid term…and I doubt it has to do with real vulcanization since that would mean that once Luffy turns black it would be an irreversible effect.
Jesus Christ, why are people getting so uptight about this? It's obviously not actually vulcanizing his body and not a single person here is claiming that it is. Luffy is made of rubber, and Busoshoku combined with his Devil Fruit causes it to turn incredibly hard. Vulcanized rubber is incredibly hard rubber and is black. So its similar to vulcanized rubber, and nobody wants to call it "Busoshoku-hardened rubber" so vulcanized is an acceptable because this new ability is obviously a nod in that direction on Oda's part.
And yeah, if it had to do with real-life actual vulcanization of course he couldn't go back. But that's like complaining that Sanji's feet don't get third-degree burns every time he uses Diable Jambe.
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most likely not, otherwise they would've done it with all other characters
It's a visual effect that references vulcanized rubber because Luffy's combining Busoshoku with the Gomu Gomu no Mi. No one else who uses Busoshoku Haki is made of rubber so nobody else would turn black. So no, it seems like a customized ability and I think Diviil is right.
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yeah, i know. I was just wondering if he used it with gear 2, would it look like this:
This would be the only definitive proof for me that what Oda is trying to represent by the Black Haki is "pseudo vulcanization."
I hate the term as well, despise that people have taken to making this an official part of the manga when nothing indicates it is. If the smoke does turn black, like burning rubber as EeveeGoPewPew said then I could stomach it, but so far there is no indication that Luffy has turned into the Michelin man.
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Hey, Luffy's attacks turning black is kinda like when Ichigo's attacks turned black when he learned his bankai. That's…that's a little horrifying.
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Hey, Luffy's attacks turning black is kinda like when Ichigo's attacks turned black when he learned his bankai. That's…that's a little horrifying.
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but seriously luffy's attacks turning black helps us distinguish what type of attacks hes using, whether they are normal or haki imbued
what im more worried about is luffy turning all black :ninja: (no racial) it would just look weird for luffy
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what im more worried about is luffy turning all black :ninja: (no racial) it would just look weird for luffy
Well, once you go black…. people will shout Vulcanization.
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Why should his glove fly off? He's not throwing it at all.
He didn't exactly "throw" the Noah either. All he did was touch it and it started moving. This is what I mean when I say that his glove should just start moving to Weakhoshi. That is, unless he has some more control over the objects he touches.
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He didn't exactly "throw" the Noah either. All he did was touch it and it started moving. This is what I mean when I say that his glove should just start moving to Weakhoshi. That is, unless he has some more control over the objects he touches.
I could've sworn it was never shown how he actually caused it to start moving.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/632/16
EDIT: I just realized that on the page, VDD actually says that he threw it.
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Jesus Christ, why are people getting so uptight about this? It's obviously not actually vulcanizing his body and not a single person here is claiming that it is. Luffy is made of rubber, and Busoshoku combined with his Devil Fruit causes it to turn incredibly hard. Vulcanized rubber is incredibly hard rubber and is black. So its similar to vulcanized rubber, and nobody wants to call it "Busoshoku-hardened rubber" so vulcanized is an acceptable because this new ability is obviously a nod in that direction on Oda's part.
And yeah, if it had to do with real-life actual vulcanization of course he couldn't go back. But that's like complaining that Sanji's feet don't get third-degree burns every time he uses Diable Jambe.
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It's a visual effect that references vulcanized rubber because Luffy's combining Busoshoku with the Gomu Gomu no Mi. No one else who uses Busoshoku Haki is made of rubber so nobody else would turn black. So no, it seems like a customized ability and I think Diviil is right.
I don't know what brilliant researcher found "vulcanization" in their middle school text book, but it really has nothing to do with anything that Luffy is doing.
- Vulcanized rubber is not "incredibly" hard. It's harder.
- Anyone using the armament haki becomes harder.
- That Luffy is made of rubber is incidental (it is no the case that he is the only one who can do this), and the fact is that the haki makes him harder than vulcanized rubber ever could be.
4)Vulcanization comes from heat. Luffy is not being heated.
The ONLY connection is that Luffy appears to be black. That is not enough, so for God's sake, just stop saying "vulcanized." I appreciate that you want to appear intelligent, but this is having the opposite effect.
edit: and good grief, I didn't even address the most ridiculous part of your post.
Jesus Christ, why are people getting so uptight about this? It's obviously not actually vulcanizing his body and not a single person here is claiming that it is.
What? Let's make this simple. Everyone who says "Luffy is vulcanized" is literally saying that he is vulcanized. How can you possibly say anything different?
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@Robo:
- Vulcanized rubber is not "incredibly" hard. It's harder.
Splitting hairs. It's harder than Luffy normally is.
- Anyone using the armament haki becomes harder.
No. Anyone using Busoshoku wields a "suit of armor" around them or their weapons that isn't normally visible. With Rayleigh and Sentoumaru at least, these manifest as sort of "shockwaves" when they strike something (when Rayleigh strikes the elephant and when Sentoumaru uses Ashigara Dokkoi). Luffy is hardening his actual flesh, which is not an ability we've seen with anybody else so far. They're different.
- That Luffy is made of rubber is incidental (it is no the case that he is the only one who can do this), and the fact is that the haki makes him harder than vulcanized rubber ever could be.
What other characters, then, have used Busoshoku Haki to turn their bodies black and hardened?
I appreciate that you want to appear intelligent, but this is having the opposite effect.
Clever and all, but the same applies to you.
4)Vulcanization comes from heat. Luffy is not being heated.
Everyone who says "Luffy is vulcanized" is literally saying that he is vulcanized.
Both of these comments show that you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that nobody is claiming he is going under the process of vulcanization meaning that he is experiencing tremendous heat and pressure and having his body transform because of that. Nobody is saying that's true. They're calling it vulcanized rubber because Luffy's new ability is to turn parts of his body into black, hard rubber. Shockingly enough, vulcanized rubber is black, hard rubber. Oda's making a nod to vulcanized rubber with this new ability but it doesn't need to be pointed out that "HEY WAITASECOND HE'S NOT ACTUALLY BEING VULCANIZED, IDORTS". So people need to quit getting butthurt over people saying it's vulcanized rubber because technically no, it isn't, but it's pretty damn obvious the association Oda's attempting to make.
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Just a few clarifications:
a) The black colour of rubber is because of carbon black which is a reinforcing filler. You could always use different additives other than carbon black to obtain rubber of different colour. The curing process itself usually does not change the colour of the rubber unless you overcure it and allow the rubber to burn.
b) This post is for chapter 605 where Luffy used CoA with gear 3. Oda wrote the word hardening with the kanji for curing.
@Kiavik:That's another term that refers to the process of specifically vulcanizing rubber.
硬化 means "curing" a polymer, which in the case of rubber is also called "vulcanization".
Check out the english version of the wiki article below if you dont believe me.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/硬化c) Sentomaru observed that Luffy used Haki combined with gear 2 to take down the Pacifista. Nevertheless his arm did not turn black.(well it was not shown so maybe it did)
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I could've sworn it was never shown how he actually caused it to start moving.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/632/16
EDIT: I just realized that on the page, VDD actually says that he threw it.
He also says on that page that he just touched it. There's no way that he is tall enough to lift the whole ark out of the ground and throw it… it looks like it was buried pretty deep - see all of the dirt that's falling off?
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Well, once you go black…. people will shout Vulcanization.
Ha! I see where you were going. Anyways the effects of vulcanized rubber can most likely be reversed so whether busoshouku haki attributes to luffy's vulcanization then it can turn back to regular rubber. Also luffy might learn haki a different way and there's nothing wrong witht that because he found his own way to use soru and othere things
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Splitting hairs. It's harder than Luffy normally is.
No, no, no. Don't try this shit. "Incredibly" is a strong descriptor. It's a REALLY strong descriptor. It's no splitting hairs, and it shows that you really don't understand a damn thing. As you will see in the rest of my response, you're consistently using sloppy and hyperbolic language, then getting whiny about me calling you out on it.
A piece of plaster is harder than a piece of paper. It does not follow that a person made out of paper who can punch through steel is therefore made of paper mache just because it happens that he turns white. MUCH or WAY or LOTS, and especially INCREDIBLY are all hyperbolic.
No. Anyone using Busoshoku wields a "suit of armor" around them or their weapons that isn't normally visible. With Rayleigh and Sentoumaru at least, these manifest as sort of "shockwaves" when they strike something (when Rayleigh strikes the elephant and when Sentoumaru uses Ashigara Dokkoi). Luffy is hardening his actual flesh, which is not an ability we've seen with anybody else so far. They're different.
The fact only Luffy changes color is an entirely different point that you are conflating. It's irrelevant to what you quoted.
Your actual point about Luffy appearing to harden his flesh is actually something of substance, except you commit another logical fallacy. The fact we haven't seen anyone else do it is not in fact evidence only Luffy can. We just learned about these abilities and there is surely much we haven't seen. But again, this is not in any way related to the point I was actually making, which have spectacularly avoided with a gymnast's skill. Either way, my point is that armament haki supplements the strength of the user. That's how it works. Luffy's version is different from what we've seen, but there is no reason to think it has to do with his rubber abilities. That's a huge logical leap.
What other characters, then, have used Busoshoku Haki to turn their bodies black and hardened?
Therefore vulcanization, right?
Clever and all, but the same applies to you.
This really isn't even worth replying to, because it's just a stupid "No, you!" response, but why not. The difference is people are persistently repeating vulcanization because it has become a buzzword on this forum. 90% of these people had never heard of vulcanization before hearing it from someone else on these forums. A substantial portion of these people still don't know what it means.
I'm not correcting you in the interest of making myself feel smarter (I already know I'm awesome) but to try to get you to stop annoying the rest of us by having to read this fucking word over and over again.
Both of these comments show that you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that nobody is claiming he is going under the process of vulcanization meaning that he is experiencing tremendous heat and pressure and having his body transform because of that. Nobody is saying that's true. They're calling it vulcanized rubber because Luffy's new ability is to turn parts of his body into black, hard rubber. Shockingly enough, vulcanized rubber is black, hard rubber. Oda's making a nod to vulcanized rubber with this new ability but it doesn't need to be pointed out that "HEY WAITASECOND HE'S NOT ACTUALLY BEING VULCANIZED, IDORTS". So people need to quit getting butthurt over people saying it's vulcanized rubber because technically no, it isn't, but it's pretty damn obvious the association Oda's attempting to make.
Oh, I know exactly what you're saying. But you're saying it wrong, and I need you to see that. The problem is that you engage in hyperbole and bad analogies to equivocate poorly constructed ideas and lash out when people like me explain that your arguments are incoherent.
What you're trying to say is that everyone here is not speaking literally, they're being metaphoric. Even if they are, they still are LITERALLY saying Luffy is vulcanized (that's how metaphor works). Which you denied. Ridiculous. Also, I find your claim that people here are being metaphorical pretty much a huge stretch, though it's nice you want to give them so much credit. No snark, I mean that.
If, in the end Oda wants to say Luffy is vulcanized, whatever. I won't argue, even though it's stupid. Hell, I might even agree that the black coloration is a reference to vulcanization, but that's not what the problem is.
Right now, there is not enough evidence to say that Luffy is vulcanized, so anyone who says different is making a bad argument. If, next week, Oda personally writes a not saying "Luffy is vulcanizing himself" that still won't make your arguments better. Leave your poetic metaphors in your creative writing journal, and keep that shit out of here.
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@Robo_Tussin: Just let people speculate random crap, it's a discussion thread so there's no need to chew random people out. Let's be friendly here, being antagonistic doesn't help anyone.
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He also says on that page that he just touched it. There's no way that he is tall enough to lift the whole ark out of the ground and throw it… it looks like it was buried pretty deep - see all of the dirt that's falling off?
If you need a size comparison, just look at wadatsumi (sp?).I understand what you are trying to say, but why say that he's throwing it if he's not? If it isn't a literal implication, then you might be right. The touching thing might just mean that he's made contact with it and now he can lift it. I don't know. But I'm still confused with this ability. I still don't get what object's will and won't cause his hand to memorize them. All I know is that it would seem to be a stretch to say that he wasn't being literal when he said he threw it.
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I understand what you are trying to say, but why say that he's throwing it if he's not? If it isn't a literal implication, then you might be right. The touching thing might just mean that he's made contact with it and now he can lift it. I don't know. But I'm still confused with this ability. I still don't get what object's will and won't cause his hand to memorize them. All I know is that it would seem to be a stretch to say that he wasn't being literal when he said he threw it.
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When luffy first Used this Vulcanization attack. Wasnt it written down and translated as Vulcanized?.
Vulcanization sounds awesome. Its not a new Gear move or Luffy would have said that with the introduction. Its an Haki move That give you an armor. Marco used it against aokiji and he did not turn black. Turning black is coz of his Devil Fruit ability. He is Rubber!! What would you call Rubber turning black?
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Regarding the issue of HARDER or INCREDIBLY HARD discussion of vulcanized rubber, inner tubes inside car tires are vulcanized but they cannot be called hard, the tires themselves are harder more durable and heat resistant, but really just harder than normal rubber. On the other hand Ice Hockey pucks are hard enough to shatter bones and are comparable to steel (which in my book is considered INCREDIBLY HARD) in terms of hardness, yet they too are vulcanized rubber. My point is: there is a large range of hardness concerning vulcanization and since Luffy's head left an imprint on iron shells, it's safe to say he fits in the INCREDIBLY HARD category.
And regarding the use of the term VULCANIZATION in One Piece, it did not simply pop up because people saw Luffy turning black, the origin of this use comes from the chapter where Luffy used his Elephant Gun on Surume. Back then two translations appeared for the move:
Color of Armament Hardning and
Color of Armament Vulcanization
A discussion of which translation was better can be found in the discussion thread of that chapter, especially that Vulcanization is a one way process, but the few members of Arlong Park who can speak Japanese and had access to the raws indicated that Oda actually used the Japanese term for VULCANIZATION rather than simply saying it was HARDNING.So people who use it today to describe what Luffy was doing are doing so because of three reasons:
1- Luffy is the only user so far to turn black from using CoA, which suggest a relation to him being rubber.
2- Oda used the term Vulcanization when Luffy used Elephant Gun (also turning black in the process).
3- There exists a possibility that Luffy can use CoA in a different way that simply hardening himself (he didn't turn black when he used it against the Pacifista).Sorry for the long Post.
Edit: partially ninja'd by OneManCollectiblez :)
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It's a visual effect that references vulcanized rubber because Luffy's combining Busoshoku with the Gomu Gomu no Mi. No one else who uses Busoshoku Haki is made of rubber so nobody else would turn black. So no, it seems like a customized ability and I think Diviil is right.
I think the only thing people are discussing is not whether Vulcanization is involved or not, but whether how people are taking it. There are those who believes for vulcanizaion to exist in one Piece, it has to be the LITERAL definition. And then there are those who've read One Piece, who knows there are giant monsters, devil fruits and haki who knows vulcanization can be used in One Piece because the write chose to, but altering it to fit a made up storyline.
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Robo, if it's really so traumatic and frustrating for you to read the word vulcanization here then I'll just spare you and drop it, alright?
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Luffy turns black :D ( no racism intended >.>)
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Luffys arm turned black beacause he is rubber and he found a way to utilize his coa with his devil fruit, he is still able to use the invisible armour.
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It's been awhile since I checked a thread on here, and I come back to "black…hard...harder...extremely hard...black and hard" for a second I thought i had the wrong tab open in my browser. The Username MeatPopsicle fits appropriately with this topic too.
U guys r the best.
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It's been awhile since I checked a thread on here, and I come back to "black…hard...harder...extremely hard...black and hard" for a second I thought i had the wrong tab open in my browser. The Username MeatPopsicle fits appropriately with this topic too.
U guys r the best.
And you win this thread.
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Well, once you go black…. people will shout Vulcanization.
This comment was hilarious.
Why is everyone getting so butt hurt over the use of the term vulcanization? This is a shonen manga, not a college level text book. In a world where people can digest food in a matter of seconds, throw buildings and stretch like rubber I don't think people are being to outlandish when they want to compare Luffy's hardening to a process in the real world that hardens rubber. I realize the process of vulcanization isn't similar in the least to what luffy does but the fact of the matter is this is a fictional work and it is not based off of real world logic and physics.
In my opinion the people getting angry over the use of this term and spouting there scientific rhetoric in a fantasy/action manga forum are pretty silly. We've all either learned about vulcanization in the past or wikipedia'd it, we know what it is. If you want to prove how smart you are do it in a library, the only thing we care about here is the continuation of this wonderful manga.
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When luffy first Used this Vulcanization attack. Wasnt it written down and translated as Vulcanized?.
Vulcanization sounds awesome. Its not a new Gear move or Luffy would have said that with the introduction. Its an Haki move That give you an armor. Marco used it against aokiji and he did not turn black. Turning black is coz of his Devil Fruit ability. He is Rubber!! What would you call Rubber turning black?
My take on Luffy's use of "black" attacks:
Oda must have figured he had to make it easy to us readers to see whether or not someone was using haki and he came up with this black thing.
For now, this is just speculation on my part as we have yet to get any proof one way or the other but it's something that makes sense, IMO. Ask yourselves: why hasn't any of the crew members say something like "why is Luffy getting x part of his body black"? For Sanji's use of Diable Jambe it's completely different, as shown in this pic: http://www.mangareader.net/103-2522-13/one-piece/chapter-415.html.
Notice how both Sanji and Jyabura mention something regarding this attack and yet with chapter 605, which is where Luffy uses his Elephant Gun attack @ Surume, nobody from the crew mentions "hey: why is his hand getting black like that?" or something, just like now, when fighting Hody.
This seems logical to me, wouldn't you dudes agree? Maybe there's something else that counters this logic of mine and, if so, please point it out: thus far, i don't think there is, but i could be wrong.