Luffy just looked shocked to me. Not like his grandpa abused him.
Chapter 393 "Olvia" Discussion
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Considering that the Luffy in that version didn't have a scar, I think that the Grandfather in that version is actually our Luffy a few decades down the road.
Eh? Interesting..
Does that version grandfather have a scar?
Goes to look at some of her early SJs
Aye, he does have a scar. :P …..I guess it could be our Luffy ,older, though the scar is different. :P
Luffy just looked shocked to me. Not like his grandpa abused him.
You are right.
I am looking at that chapter page right now.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume34.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6451
He does look shook… I think. o.o
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I dont know where this concept that that old guy with the hat was luffy just due to a scar. Considering it shows that the child eats the rubber fruit, now unless it started out as a flashback in romance dawn and he was speaking to a child who looked like luffy it isnt really possible. Given as the chapter progreses you see the grandfatehr and the child have an exchange over eating the fruit. Now this was changed to shanks and we know the rest.
This luffy's grandfather is a giant is kinda silly. This whole D thing might just be simply a group of likeminded people that started out unrelated but then genetically was given to their descendents with some vision or dream. As for why luffy was so warped, the realization that his grandfather took down Gold D, or that his grandfather is a high ranking person in the marines might make him that worried if the rest of the crew knew about it. But there are a dozen other possiblities and we will only find out in the next luffy flashback.
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Don't know if anyone has discovered this already, but next week's chapter will be in the "double issue" 4-5. And the next one after that is "double issue" 6-7. So there will be two "off weeks" in a row over the next month or so.
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So wait, it'll go like…
This Week: Chapter
Next Week: No Chapter
This Week: Chapter
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Correct, at least barring any early leaks, which I seem to remember occurring in the past. At any rate, two of the next four weeks will be chapterless.
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Is this for all Jump mangas or just OP?
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http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/chapter393.msnw
i found a scan of 393 and im not sure if it is a stolen translation or not. I'll have to check or you can if you want tho it doesnt say who the translator or editor was
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http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/chapter391.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5084
"やめてサウロ―" Stop, Sauro!
Now the question is… Did Robin say "Stop" to Sauro, or somebody else?
1: Stop, Sauro!
2: Stop firing, Oh no, Sauro (is hit)!!I want to say a few things about this subject and other posts about it.
I don't think it has anything to do with bullets. The first panel looks to be of the buster call. There's just too much fire there for just gun fire. So the "Fire" command was to start the Buster Call. Also, when the flashback ended, Robin was talking about the Buster Call and asking "Do you know what will happen if you press that button?"
As for the "stop, Sauro" panel, I can see it as a few different ways. In addition to the other ideas posted, I can think of 2 more ways. Sauro might be the one pushing the button/giving the order to fire, or it could be that she is saying stop because Sauro is sending her away and staying behind or attacking. I also thought if it was punctuated as "Stop… Sauro..." then it could be a cry of despair seeing Sauro getting blown up on the island.
On the subject of Marine Core, I view the core of a military group as the people doing the fighting. The engineers and logistic people would be auxillary rather than core. The administration (high ranking officers) may or may not be included in the fighting, it depends on the military setup. Modern warfare has the generals way back behind the fighting, while early warfare had the leaders closer to the front if not in the fight itself.
In Romance Dawn, I was under the impression that the old man that was Luffy's grandpa was changed to Shanks. In RD, Luffy got both the fruit and the hat from his Grandpa, in the manga series it was changed to him getting those items from Shanks. I never took RD as canon because of that.
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In Romance Dawn, I was under the impression that the old man that was Luffy's grandpa was changed to Shanks. In RD, Luffy got both the fruit and the hat from his Grandpa, in the manga series it was changed to him getting those items from Shanks. I never took RD as canon because of that.
Actually, there were two Romance Dawns. The first had the exact same backstory with Shanks and everything. The second, however, was to be printed in Jump (I think), and since Oda was already thinking about serialization at this point, he quickly threw the grandpa in there so he wouldn't spoil the whole Shanks concept for the readers.
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Edit: Well after reading the script, it appears to me as if the Buster Call fleet already is on it´s way to Ohara, since Saul says that battleships are comming. This could mean that Kuzan and his ship is one part we saw of the fleet.
Just a note, even the English says battleships, that doesn't mean Japanese had it in plural. Japanese in general doesn't have singular/plural, so it's totally depends on the translators' interpretation.
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I´m aware with it that it depends on the translators interpretation to decide whether it´s plural or singular. That doesn´t matter in this case however, because the core point was actually the battleship itself. No matter if it is just one or more of them. The fact that Saul knows that there´s such a ship coming is actually what gave me the idea to take a better look at Kuzan´s ship. And it really appears to be one of these oversized monsters.
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This is making me ask a question: If/when a Buster Call is issued just who is informed of it? There are the admirals at the top and the vice-admirals performing it, of course. And the Gorosei certainly. But beyond that, who would know, and why?
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This is making me ask a question: If/when a Buster Call is issued just who is informed of it? There are the admirals at the top and the vice-admirals performing it, of course. And the Gorosei certainly. But beyond that, who would know, and why?
Considering that it's a major military operation, I would think that it would be rather hard to keep it a secret within the Navy and the World Government.
Obviously, the commanders and crews of the participating battleships would know, the support structure of those ships would notice them leaving, and areas where those resources would normally be assigned would be informed of their absence.
As far as the World Government, well, again, we don't know how many levels of bureaucracy seperate the Gorosei from the World Government. Sengoku may have a civilian boss that reports to the Gorosei or he may directly report the Gorosei himself via a military liason.
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But what if buster calls were made out of a special, otherwise hidden and unknown fleet, which existed only for that sole purpousel? Maintainance and training would take place outside the rest of the navy (like cp9) and only the top marines/WG's would now about it - and the extremely odd survivor.
If this was the case, and Robin is the only Buster call survivor, it'd explain why no ones ever heard of it before…
On second thought, Robin MUST be the sole survivor...otherwise Buster call is overrated.
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Hmm but there is something that bugs me ever since we Buster call was first mentioned and that would be : Can it be used against someone on the run? From what i gather we only know it's been used to demolish Ohara and it's people and nothing else. SO it can't be that great if they haven't used it many times. SO if the Strawhats would set sail and vanish from sight what good would the bsuter call be to Spandam? Or could it be that it's such a grand operation that i covers enough ground to prevent escape in any way after it's initiated? I guess i'll get the answer to all of this in this flashback we have now.
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But what if buster calls were made out of a special, otherwise hidden and unknown fleet, which existed only for that sole purpousel?
So they have resources that they don't use against pirates because they prefer to keep them secret?
On second thought, Robin MUST be the sole survivor…otherwise Buster call is overrated.
It's not like it doesn't have limitations; the mere fact that the Shichibukai exist is proof that groups, if not individuals, exist that could withstand the force that can brought to bear by a Buster Call, if not defeat it outright.
So if the Strawhats would set sail and vanish from sight what good would the bsuter call be to Spandam? Or could it be that it's such a grand operation that i covers enough ground to prevent escape in any way after it's initiated? I guess i'll get the answer to all of this in this flashback we have now.
Ten battleships is sufficient to set up a blockade around a small enough target. Of course, the effectiveness of a Buster Call is going to be directly related to the size of its target.
An island the size of Ohara should not have many regions that are out of the range of the guns about the fleet and the very nature of the island makes it a tinderbox that is exceedingly susceptible to a Buster Call. A nation like Alabasta, on the other hand, is considerably less threatened by a Buster Call simply because so much of it is suitably far inhand to be removed from their ability to do damage to it.
As far as pursuing a moving target goes, if the resources devoted to a Buster Call can reasonably be detached from regular operations long enough to do the job, then there's no reason that it couldn't pursue a target.
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Hmm but there is something that bugs me ever since we Buster call was first mentioned and that would be : Can it be used against someone on the run? From what i gather we only know it's been used to demolish Ohara and it's people and nothing else. SO it can't be that great if they haven't used it many times. SO if the Strawhats would set sail and vanish from sight what good would the bsuter call be to Spandam? Or could it be that it's such a grand operation that i covers enough ground to prevent escape in any way after it's initiated? I guess i'll get the answer to all of this in this flashback we have now.
As Ubiq said, there´s no reason why they shouldn´t pursue a target. Plus sooner or later a ship has to harbor somewhere, they can´t survive on sea for ever. And if the Buster Call fleet is following them all this way then that´s where they can get them, if the fleet itself couldn´t catch up with them on the sea already.
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I think an escape should still be possible albeit almost impossible since yes: they have to harbor somwhere sooner or later,- one battleship is probably more than enough to cause major trouble and their reaction time is proably insanely fast if needeed.:wacko:
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Just one thing, I swear i didn't understeand, so we are going to not have the 394 chapter this week? Sorry for asking :|
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Just one thing, I swear i didn't understeand, so we are going to not have the 394 chapter this week? Sorry for asking :|
we'll have it.
we don't have 395 next week
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So they have resources that they don't use against pirates because they prefer to keep them secret?
Just because the use wouldn't be made public, it doesn't mean they wouldn't be used. And there'd be no pirates to tell the tale afterwards, because the definition of buster call is that it eliminates a specific target, be it a single person or a location/vessel, which was my thought on the second point.
For example, if "Ohara" was targeted, the result would be that every citizen of Ohara would be part of the target, and that's why I said it seemed extraordinary that Robin survived.I can't defeat your Schichibukai point at the moment though…
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Just because the use wouldn't be made public, it doesn't mean they wouldn't be used.
Well again, if these are pre-existing military assets, then somebody will notice if they're gone, even temporarily. It's incredibly hard to keep such a thing secret.
It's not like a secret assassination squad of less than ten people; it's a battle fleet with hundreds, if not thousands, of Marines and five of the highest ranking officers in the Navy. There's simply no way to keep such a thing secret from the rest of the Navy as well as the World Government.
And there'd be no pirates to tell the tale afterwards, because the definition of buster call is that it eliminates a specific target, be it a single person or a location/vessel, which was my thought on the second point.
Unless, of course, the Buster Call task force loses, which is entirely possible. We've seen Mihawk singlehandedly destroy a fleet five times as large. If Donquixote can control more than one person and from a distance, there's going to be quite a bit of confusion in the ranks when one or more of the battleships begins hammering away at its colleagues.
For example, if "Ohara" was targeted, the result would be that every citizen of Ohara would be part of the target, and that's why I said it seemed extraordinary that Robin survived.
On a related note, Sauro specifically said that the ship was on route to take the Archaelogists, which makes me believe that he was referring to Spandine's ship and not the Buster Call task force. I don't think that was authorized until after Olvia escaped.
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Damn, I want the new chapter now. :D