I am still expecting to see Arlong show up on FI.
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I don't think we'll see Arlong. Just doesn't seem to fit, it's not his time anymore. The thing with Hodi is that he's trying to carry on Arlongs will. I think that, and him as a character will be undermined if Arlong comes back.
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The only time I can remember was with Vivi, with her having a Suna-suna clan flashback, and later having small "Pell and Vivi" flashbacks in the chapter Pell sacrifices himself.
So yes, Oda could fracture this flashback into several parts. It's just not his usual way of doing things, but each flashback is unique on its own way, so I agree with Cymelion that the flashback could be fragmented, but I don't think it will be done that way.The story and history of FI is fairly fractured as it is probably can not be summed up in the flashbacks from Jinbe. There is what Robin is investigating, events occurring while Jinbe is gone from FI and even the possible one of Noah. Not all of those things deserve flashbacks but they may get them - Even Skypia had a few different flashbacks in a sense - The ones for Noland - Wiper's reasoning - Gan Fall replaced by Enel.
Agree. Everyone on the ship is there both for friendship and because they have some goal or dream that can be fulfilled by being in the ship.
There were several friends that the Strawhats left behind because their dreams could not be accomplished on the ship. Saying Jinbe would just tag along is like saying he has nothing better to do with his life, and that's lame.
If he's going to join, Oda will add some dream or goal that can be fulfilled by being on the crew. If, however, his dreams are just related to Fishman Island and his people, I don't think he will join.I like the dreams and goals I really do - but well some of them are not really all that focussed on. Jinbe having a goal to honor Ace and WB's legacy and sacrifice by ensuring Luffy is to become the Pirate king isn't any less important then discovering All Blue or Drawing a Map. Sanji's goal alone - reason for joining has little growth behind it - he wants to see a section of ocean that just has all the oceans fish species available. His growth comes from his personality and support of the crew not from his goal in life, Jinbe's goal can be anything at all seriously it's only an excuse to get on the boat - he could join the SH's to find his lost Button from 2 years ago and it wouldn't change how he is portrayed or grows.
To add, there are also other characters that have been introduced waaaay back and are still kicking around with unresolved plots. Dragon, Buggy and Cobby are just few. Before the war happened, Ace was also one of those characters with long overarching plots. We also know that Hancock was being planned since way back when they reached Grand Line.
Just because the character has been mentioned a long time ago doesn't mean Oda is reserving that character to join. It just means he has big plans for it.Yes - I agree but as I pointed out earlier and others have also mentioned.
1 - Should Oda have wanted a fishmen on the crew from the beginning - there are only 2 fishmen that have had a significant time and exploration of character. Hacchi and Jinbe, this is not an ironclad assurance that they will be the ones to join BUT they have the most likely reasons FOR joining that we have found to date. Personally Jinbe > Hacchi in my opinion and no doubt I will be flammed by people for even mentioning Hacchi without them understanding the first sentance of what I wrote.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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The story and history of FI is fairly fractured as it is probably can not be summed up in the flashbacks from Jinbe. There is what Robin is investigating, events occurring while Jinbe is gone from FI and even the possible one of Noah. Not all of those things deserve flashbacks but they may get them - Even Skypia had a few different flashbacks in a sense - The ones for Noland - Wiper's reasoning - Gan Fall replaced by Enel.
There will probably another flashback, most likely a minor one, not one spanning over several chapters, showing what happened "hundreds of years ago" and the origin of Noah. I don't count it as a fragmented flashback, since each flashback would tell a different story.
I like the dreams and goals I really do - but well some of them are not really all that focussed on. Jinbe having a goal to honor Ace and WB's legacy and sacrifice by ensuring Luffy is to become the Pirate king isn't any less important then discovering All Blue or Drawing a Map.
The thing is that honoring Ace or WB's legacy is not the most important thing to Jinbe. His island and his people, on the other hand, seem to be. "His" flashback is not about Whitebeard, but about the struggles of his people. His personality is all about duty towards his people: he was a soldier, then he protected his "brother Tai", then he became a Shichibukai, then he abandoned that title once he felt he should honor the protector of his homeland. I don't see him abandoning that just to make Luffy Pirate King.
So, his reason must come from somewhere there, or else it's just a made up weak-ass excuse. Just because Ace asked Jinbe a favor (which Jinbe already fulfilled, by the way) doesn't mean he'd abandon the matters that have been chaining him for a decade.
Sanji's goal alone - reason for joining has little growth behind it - he wants to see a section of ocean that just has all the oceans fish species available.
Discovering All Blue or Drawing a Map are childhood dreams, and both require them to sail to unknown legendary parts of the world where no one, or very few, went. It's an epic journey, even if the premise does not sound so epic.
His growth comes from his personality and support of the crew not from his goal in life, Jinbe's goal can be anything at all seriously it's only an excuse to get on the boat - he could join the SH's to find his lost Button from 2 years ago and it wouldn't change how he is portrayed or grows.
It would diminish his character. The reason matters a lot, because these characters are going to reach their dreams or goals by the end of the series. Nami finishing her map, Sanji finding All Blue or Brook meeting Laboon again will be all tear-filled, satisfying moments. Jinbe finding his lost button from 2 years ago wouldn't.
1 - Should Oda have wanted a fishmen on the crew from the beginning - there are only 2 fishmen that have had a significant time and exploration of character. Hacchi and Jinbe, this is not an ironclad assurance that they will be the ones to join BUT they have the most likely reasons FOR joining that we have found to date. Personally Jinbe > Hacchi in my opinion and no doubt I will be flammed by people for even mentioning Hacchi without them understanding the first sentance of what I wrote.
Well, if a fishman is going to join, it will be Jinbe for sure. But a fishman joining is not a sure thing to happen. It's the fans that have been clamoring for it; Oda never said anything on that matter.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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There will probably another flashback, most likely a minor one, not one spanning over several chapters, showing what happened "hundreds of years ago" and the origin of Noah. I don't count it as a fragmented flashback, since each flashback would tell a different story.
Agree - but ammount of flashbacks are not completely essential to this coversations so I'll leave it there.
The thing is that honoring Ace or WB's legacy is not the most important thing to Jinbe. His island and his people, on the other hand, seem to be. "His" flashback is not about Whitebeard, but about the struggles of his people. His personality is all about duty towards his people: he was a soldier, then he protected his "brother Tai", then he became a Shichibukai, then he abandoned that title once he felt he should honor the protector of his homeland. I don't see him abandoning that just to make Luffy Pirate King.
So, his reason must come from somewhere there, or else it's just a made up weak-ass excuse. Just because Ace asked Jinbe a favor (which Jinbe already fulfilled, by the way) doesn't mean he'd abandon the matters that have been chaining him for a decade.Plight of the Fishmen race may or may not be solved by Luffy in some way - which might be the catalyst for Jinbe to join the Hows and the Whys man I would be fanfic'ing anything I suggest here on out.
Discovering All Blue or Drawing a Map are childhood dreams, and both require them to sail to unknown legendary parts of the world where no one, or very few, went. It's an epic journey, even if the premise does not sound so epic.
It would diminish his character. The reason matters a lot, because these characters are going to reach their dreams or goals by the end of the series. Nami finishing her map, Sanji finding All Blue or Brook meeting Laboon again will be all tear-filled, satisfying moments. Jinbe finding his lost button from 2 years ago wouldn't.Brook Laboon yes - Sanji's all blue probably not. Don't get me wrong I don't doubt Oda's ability to tug at heart strings in any way shape or form. But I see more emotion coming from Sanji reuniting with Zeff then with him discovering All Blue personally. All I can say is if anyone CAN predict the exact reason for Jinbe joining I would be highly impressed - leading into next statement.
Well, if a fishman is going to join, it will be Jinbe for sure. But a fishman joining is not a sure thing to happen. It's the fans that have been clamoring for it; Oda never said anything on that matter.
This is true - thank god most literature is not based on what the fans want because you can never trust fans with important decisions. I'm not as invested in how this arc turns out as some, but I am enjoying it completely :) and no doubt will enjoy it more on the re-read through once it is done and I can see the flow of the story in a whole new light.
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I would love for Jinbe to join, and I may be biased as I just love him as a character. However right now there is no real reason in story for him to join, however it is set up vague enough that he can join. I've been thinking about this small theory of mine. Jinbe will want peace for the Fishman, and know that equality is the only real answer, and that it will be a hard road. He can't help his cause directly really, since he is a criminal, and the government won't recognize a race when one of the most prominent people for equality is a criminal. This is where a major Luffy theme comes in, he's a pirate, nothing less, nothing more. Throughout the series we've seen Luffy's crew being viewed in various points of view. He's viewed as a hero to the King and Princess of Alabasta, and a dangerous man that declared war on the Marines to save "the devil of Ohara".
I could easily see Luffy giving some speach in the end about how human or Fishman doesn't matter, him and Hodi are both Pirates, he fights Hodi(or VDD, or both) and Jinbe remembers this speech. He asks to join because he'll show the world that a Fishman and human can be equal, by being on the next Pirate Kings crew, and showing the world in the end, they are equal. Seeing a fishman on a human crew that has just done the impossible could inspire Fishman to reach for equality.
Sorry if this theory is a bit stupid, but like I said, I'm a bit biased for Jinbe and am working with what I got.
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@mdmartin101:
I could easily see Luffy giving some speach in the end about how human or Fishman doesn't matter, him and Hodi are both Pirates, he fights Hodi(or VDD, or both) and Jinbe remembers this speech. He asks to join because he'll show the world that a Fishman and human can be equal, by being on the next Pirate Kings crew, and showing the world in the end, they are equal. Seeing a fishman on a human crew that has just done the impossible could inspire Fishman to reach for equality.
Sorry if this theory is a bit stupid, but like I said, I'm a bit biased for Jinbe and am working with what I got.I know how ya feel - I think many here see Jinbe joining we're just unclear on the why.
All I can personally think of is Luffy does destroy FI - forcing them to move to the seas above. Which would leave Jinbe without a home he can go to other then the Sunny.
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Why no one is talking about Vander Decken or Hordy! I think Decken will join for sure, hes not evil and really cool :D. Hordy have a lot of chances too =].
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I think Decken will join for sure, hes not evil and really cool :D.
16 characters of what the f…
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Why no one is talking about Vander Decken or Hordy! I think Decken will join for sure, hes not evil and really cool :D. Hordy have a lot of chances too =].
Tell ya what - If either of them join we'll hold a massive "Told you so" party and you can be the guest of honour.
Otherwise I am guessing the people here will continue to discuss those who joining the Strawhat crew wouldn't invalidate years of structured demonstrations on the required traits to be a Strawhat.
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I think Oda is definitely setting up Jinbei to join the crew.
The flashback right now is talking about both the queen, and tiger. How both of them want the same thing, but is approaching it differently.
I think ultimately in the end, the reason for Jinbei to join Luffy's crew will be to try to achieve what both the queen and tiger couldn't do. To make fishmen and humans live and work together.By joining Luffy's crew he will get maximum exposure, and will allow both races to see the cooperation between him and Luffys crew.
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Tell ya what - If either of them join we'll hold a massive "Told you so" party and you can be the guest of honour.
Otherwise I am guessing the people here will continue to discuss those who joining the Strawhat crew wouldn't invalidate years of structured demonstrations on the required traits to be a Strawhat.
Ok! If it happen I'll remember about this promise :-).
I think that some SH crew members like Robin didn't have any flashback when they join and also did a little of evil. Remember Robin + Crocodile? So Decken and Hordy can be doing their stuff for some reason. Also both are cool characters (specially Decken).
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Why no one is talking about Vander Decken or Hordy! I think Decken will join for sure, hes not evil and really cool :D. Hordy have a lot of chances too =].
So a pedophile who's also a stalker and wants to kill b/c he was rejected is not evil to you!!!
And you think a fishman who can't even swim and his fighting style is sniping is gonna add to the crew. and as if that is not enough you say he "WILL JOIN FOR SURE"!!!!!!
At times like this I really miss Jerk Disease… I really do.
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The scenario I can come up with regarding Jimbe's dream to fit with SH is a poneglyph.
Robin is there to search for one right? What if (this is just a fanfic btw) this one reveals a hint of some kind of strong connection, a strong bond between Fishmen and Human in the past which can totally help the Jimbe's goal in his fight to end racialism. But the truth about it will of course be found in a poneglyph near the end of New World.
Its pretty weak, so I kinda doubt it myself. But regarding the next nakama talk, flashbacks usually works to introduce a character's dream as well. So if we're at the end of it and we still dont see or at least get a hint of Jimbe's dream. Then to me his chance of joining has just been dropped
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Why no one is talking about Vander Decken or Hordy! I think Decken will join for sure, hes not evil and really cool :D. Hordy have a lot of chances too =].
I think they both have a greater purpose, such as dying in a fire.
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Robin is there to search for one right? What if (this is just a fanfic btw) this one reveals a hint of some kind of strong connection, a strong bond between Fishmen and Human in the past which can totally help the Jimbe's goal in his fight to end racialism. But the truth about it will of course be found in a poneglyph near the end of New World.
I think if there's anything, there's that possibility that it will be revealed that fishmen/merfolk are humans, and not a different species. I mean, if they can breed naturally and without artificial insemination, and produce fertile offspring, they're the same species. That's Biology 101.
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Did he just compare Robin and Crocodile to Hordy and Decken?
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Did he just compare Robin and Crocodile to Hordy and Decken?
When campaigning for the inclusion of a pedophile and a racist to the main cast, one must grasp at every straw they can find.
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How exactly is he a pedophile?
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I forget. Where did it say Shirahoshi was 16 again?
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I don't think it was said she was 16, but she was a baby in the flashback to 16 years ago, and VDD touched her 10 years ago I believe.
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If that is indeed true, why would Oda make Decken want her when she was just a child?
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Dudes a fish that can't swim. He's fucked up as it is.
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When campaigning for the inclusion of a pedophile and a racist to the main cast, one must grasp at every straw they can find.
He's NOT a pedophile. The vision of love he had in his head was of the princess full grown after all. I assume that VanDer Dekken just tried to capture the princess when she was young for ransom… and the infatuation is a more recent thing. Possibly he was in love with the queen before.
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Either way, he didn't lose interest as she aged.
That breaks a Pedobear guideline.
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If that is indeed true, why would Oda make Decken want her when she was just a child?
I hate that you made me have to search for this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriageAlso I am not trusting wiki but it seems that the age of consent for Japan is still 13 years old :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#JapanThe national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.[28] However, prefectures can have ordinances that prohibit sexual activities with any minor under 18.[29]
‘Rape’, Art. 177 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, has sexual intercourse with a female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age commits the crime of rape and shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for a limited term of not less than two years. 'The same shall apply to a person who has sexual intercourse with a 'female person under thirteen (13) years of age'.[30]
'Indecency through compulsion', Art. 176 Penal Code 'A person who, through violence or intimidation, commits an indecent act upon a male or female person of not less than thirteen (13) years of age shall be punished with imprisonment at forced labour for not less than six months nor more than seven years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female person under thirteen (13) years of age.'[30]But to your question as to WHY he would - probably to further entrench VDD as a Creepy bad man to the readers.
Also why are you even bothering with VDD or engaging those who do find VDD interesting for valid or troll reasons - I sincerly doubt there is any point in which he would ever be considered for an upcoming position he is pretty much the villian with Hodi.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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Also I am not trusting wiki but it seems that the age of consent for Japan is still 13 years old :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#JapanLast time I heard, they changed the age of consent in most of the prefectures.
But to your question as to WHY he would - probably to further entrench VDD as a Creepy bad man to the readers.
That definitely worked.
Also why are you even bothering with VDD or engaging those who do find VDD interesting for valid or troll reasons - I sincerly doubt there is any point in which he would ever be considered for an upcoming position he is pretty much the villian with Hodi.
I was wondering about Shirahoshi's current age when Warship said Decken was a pedo. I absolutely see no way of him joining the crew with the way he's been established. I don't even know why some posters think he has "nakama" potential.
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Last time I heard, they changed the age of consent in most of the prefectures.
That definitely worked.
I was wondering about Shirahoshi's current age when Warship said Decken was a pedo. I absolutely see no way of him joining the crew with the way he's been established. I don't even know why some posters think he has "nakama" potential.Yeah I thought it had been changed but I'm not familiar with their legislation so I kind of went the lazy route and quoted wiki.
I honestly don't get both why some people out there don't see him for the type of villain he is or why they think they can want him on the crew. Don't get me wrong I just assume most people asking for the antagonists to join the crew are trolls because you can't read 621 comics and not develop some sort of Understanding.
As far as I am concerned Jinbe is the most likely to join this arc if anyone is to join - He just seems like too much investment to be left behind if that makes sense.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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I honestly don't get both why some people out there don't see him for the type of villain he is or why they think they can want him on the crew. Don't get me wrong I just assume most people asking for the antagonists to join the crew are trolls because you can't read 621 comics and not develop some sort of Understanding.
As far as I am concerned Jinbe is the most likely to join this arc if anyone is to join - He just seems like too much investment to be left behind if that makes sense.
I think due to the fact that Oda is, for the most part, unpredictable, people will throw in any new character who looks or acts "wacky" as a possible candidate.
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Dudes a fish that can't swim. He's fucked up as it is.
This is offensive to fish without swim bladders.
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DAMMIT!! i wished Bon clay still stuck with them….i wanted him to join.....sad face ooh well I guess Jimbei will do after all he's a FCKIN MERMAN!! how many pirate crews (besides arlong) can say they have a fishman as a comrade NOONE THAT'S WHO!!! and besides when luffy falls in the water jimbei will be like "No I'm a fisherman" and save them from certain doom
When life gives you lemons you ask Sanji to make you Lemonade :3
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DAMMIT!! i wished Bon clay still stuck with them….i wanted him to join.....sad face
Its for the best. If he actually joined them he'd be dying in a noble sacrifice twice an arc.
Plus, as great a character as he is, his shtick gets old pretty fast and is best in small doses.
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I'm still waiting for the current cover story to reach Bon Clay in Level 5.5 with his own group of Okama's
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@mdmartin101:
I'm still waiting for the current cover story to reach Bon Clay in Level 5.5 with his own group of Okama's
I think that would probably be the worst way to reveal him still being alive. Much rather him coming to aid the SH's when all else is lost.
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Well first find a situation in which the current Mugiwaras are in so much danger that only Bon Kurei could save them.
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@RobbyBevard:
Its for the best. If he actually joined them he'd be dying in a noble sacrifice twice an arc.
Plus, as great a character as he is, his shtick gets old pretty fast and is best in small doses.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. As much as I love me some Bon-chan, I feel like his act would get old really quick. That's why it was so touching both times he saved the SH's, because one was all the way in post Arabasta and the other was in Impel Down, a nice long 250ish chapter gap so that we never stopped appreciating him and his selfless ways
"You were the leaves basking in the sun, and I was the root growing in the darkness"
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Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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I don't think it has anything to do with him joining the crew.
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@ultimateclima:
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32581
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Proves nothing. 16 characters of nothing.
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It proves nothing, but I have to imagine what ever company made them had some reason for including Jimbei like that. I really don't mind him at all, and so far everything I can see is pushing for his eventual join. If he does not join i'd like to hear the explination later on why Jimbei was gold as well.
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Proves nothing. 16 characters of nothing.[/QUOT
It prooves nothing, that's right. But It's almost certain Jinbe will join the crew. I mean, he's blue, fat, strong, he respect Luffy and he's what the crew needs => A very strong fishman. Plus, we have a flashback where he is in…
The whole "we don't know wether he's going to join the crew or not/thing" remember me the Franky's case during Enies Lobby. It was certain but some keeped claim that it wasn't because it wasn't official.
And really, I'm not a Jinbe fan. I have not digested Brook's case yet, so I'm not that ready to see a new mate in the crew.
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DAMMIT!! i wished Bon clay still stuck with them….i wanted him to join.....sad face ooh well I guess Jimbei will do after all he's a FCKIN FISHMAN!! how many pirate crews (besides arlong, foxy, and whitebeard) can say they have a fishman as a comrade NOONE THAT'S WHO!!! and besides when luffy falls in the water jimbei will be like "No I'm a fishman" and save them from certain doom
Fixed that for ya.
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It prooves nothing, that's right. But It's almost certain Jinbe will join the crew. I mean, he's blue, fat, strong, he respect Luffy and he's what the crew needs => A very strong fishman. Plus, we have a flashback where he is in…
The whole "we don't know wether he's going to join the crew or not/thing" remember me the Franky's case during Enies Lobby. It was certain but some keeped claim that it wasn't because it wasn't official.
And really, I'm not a Jinbe fan. I have not digested Brook's case yet, so I'm not that ready to see a new mate in the crew.
Now I'm all for Jinbe joining, but it's not certain he will. There are many important things we do not know about Jinbe, and he has not provided a reason for him to join. Stop comparing him to other crew members who joined, nothing is certain yet so we need to stop saying it's certain he will, or will not join.
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@ultimateclima:
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That guy can't be serious, right?
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That guy can't be serious, right?
Yes he is serious. Relying on Toy's line to say who will join the crew can seems a bit off but that remember me Naruto's case.
I don't want to compare Naruto to One Piece since I hate Naruto but
it was said, since the very start of the manga, on all Naruto's ( the character not the manga ) description ( toy's card, magazine… ) that he looks a lot like the 4th village's chief and tons chapter later we learn that he is his son...Yes that's kinda stupid to rely on that to state wether Jinbe will join or not, but that's not THAT stupid.
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That's because the Fourth Hokage looking exactly like Naruto was so damn obvious, that anybody would think that they are related.
Unless Oda told Toei beforehand that Jinbe would join(which is a highly unlikely thing for Oda to do), then those coins don't mean anything.
