Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2

[Urouge]

Smoker's final rank should be Vice Admiral, so my guess is that he's already achieved it and will be declining promotions to Admiral for the rest of the series. Of course it's also possible that he's still a Rear Admiral with a promotion yet to come, but I find that to be less likely due to the length of the timeskip.

@senor:

Oh guess I forgot about that.. Commodore was the obese guy that wanted dragon bones in the anime, right?

Actually he was an East Blue admiral, which is the equivalent of a Grand Line Commodore, so you're half right (Oda said that the ranks of the marines in the four blues are about 3 ranks higher than at HQ in the Grand Line). But he was just a filler character, anyway.

[THE SEA]

@Urouge:

Smoker's final rank should be Vice Admiral

I don't see Smoker's obsession with justice in Garp. Nor his need for power.

[Coruscation]

Remember that Smoker only had a "need for power" in order to reach a rank where he could chase Luffy freely, though (if I'm not mistaken). That might just be the rank of Vice Admiral, since it was what Garp stayed as all those years chasing Roger, and from what we've seen the Admirals may have more administrative duties and even sometimes might be a bit "bogged down" in MHQ.

[sanji499]

i thought he said he needed "blood" or "recruits" or maybe ranks.

This part was always weirdly translated :blink:.

Luffy and Smoker definetely have a similar relationship to Roger and Garp.

Smoker has been chasing him since chapter 100 and both respect each other.

I guess Smoker would be at most vice admiral.

[SingingThroughTheStorm]

I agree with the Smoker and Luffy relationship, and it was great when Luffy saved Smoker's life.

I also wondered if the same style of relationship would come from Luffy and Coby.

[Coruscation]

I looked up Stephen's translation.

"So long as the Marines are an organization,
there is a limit to what I can accomplish as a captain…
What we need now is "rank."

It seems like he's talking about that he needs higher rank / power to be able to do what he wants. And yes, Smoker being Luffy's "Garp" seems very very likely right now. They're very different in personality and fighting style and to some extent possibly in their views of justice, sure, but the gist of it still seems almost identical from what we've heard of Roger & Garp's relationship.

[sanji499]

@SingingThroughTheStorm:

I agree with the Smoker and Luffy relationship, and it was great when Luffy saved Smoker's life.

I also wondered if the same style of relationship would come from Luffy and Coby.

I think someone predicted Coby to be the future Aokiji. That's interesting because Coby wants to be an admiral and Smoker cares only about doing what he wants.

I wonder if the cover of chapter 580 forshadows Smoker and Tashigi teaming up with Coby and Hermeppo in the NW.

Considering, the exponential power up the SH had. I don't think Smoker could handle the SH alone. He is gonna need some great marine to handle a crew that has the potential to equal or surpass the ROger pirates.

@coruscation
I guess it is rank and I don't he does that for the pride of the rank but tod what he wants. I am pretty sure he is gonna go higher in rank with major power ups after 2 years at G5.

[Urouge]

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[Urouge]

I think Devil fruits are born from the sea (and not the one I quoted below). Namely they materialize in the ocean in the Grand Line and float to the surface. They're found floating in the ocean or washing in with the tide. I think the theory makes sense for the properties of the fruit, as well as removing the government's ability to spawn camp them.

@THE:

I don't see Smoker's obsession with justice in Garp. Nor his need for power.

I don't see a need for the characters to be a carbon copy of each other.

[I survived the buster call]

@Urouge:

I think Devil fruits are born from the sea… Namely they materialize in the ocean in the Grand Line and float to the surface. They're found floating in the ocean or washing in with the tide. I think the theory makes sense for the properties of the fruit, as well as removing the government's ability to spawn camp them.

Do you have a theory about where they materialize from? I would have said the magic tree keeping both Mariajoia and FI going, but it seems too early in the story for that to be the case–but then again maybe not. I was sorta thinking that the tree would be destroyed along with FI -or- taking out FI with it when it goes, but that may be too early too. If that's the case, then the fruits could come from that same tree...

However, if they came from a particular place, I'd assume there'd be a higher incidence of fruit users in and around said place, so my idea becomes less and less likely since that doesn't seem to be the case in either area (FI or SA). I wonder if we'd see a connection if we were able to look back and see if anyone we know of with a fruit power didn't at the least have interactions with someone or access to stuff from someone who'd been to the NW...?

Eh--far too early in the story to know.

[senor]

@Urouge:

I think Devil fruits are born from the sea (and not the one I quoted below). Namely they materialize in the ocean in the Grand Line and float to the surface. They're found floating in the ocean or washing in with the tide. I think the theory makes sense for the properties of the fruit, as well as removing the government's ability to spawn camp them.

I don't see a need for the characters to be a carbon copy of each other.

I think it's more likely that they grow on land seeing as how they are cursed by the sea? Although I guess that could make sense if they came from the sea.. I always thought they popped up in an area where certain 'conditions' were met. Like when we were going through the L/S/A flashback and grey terminal was burning, I thought that might be where Ace would end up getting his DF. Turns out I was wrong(probably) but that is what I meant by conditions

[Shergal]

Fruits are made of nanobytes :ninja:

Think about it:

• They taste REALLY bad because the nanobytes.
• Only the first chunk eaten works, bcoz the nanobytes go from the fruit to the user all at once.
• The nanobytes malfunction in water, thus the inability to do anything in water.
• If some other nanobytes try to get in, the nanobytes that already are in will try to repel them thus causing problems for the user's body (we have yet to see how BB did it)
• Vegapunk discovered the secrets of the fruits, Crazy genius scientist = nanobytes.
• Oda said we have yet to see what the DFs REALLY are… so they aren't just "fruits".

The only con of this "theory" is that it would be really odd, even for One Piece. But who knows.

[JERK DISEASE]

@Shergal:

Fruits are made of nanobytes :ninja:

Think about it:

• They taste REALLY bad because the nanobytes.
• Only the first chunk eaten works, bcoz the nanobytes go from the fruit to the user all at once.
• The nanobytes malfunction in water, thus the inability to do anything in water.
• If some other nanobytes try to get in, the nanobytes that already are in will try to repel them thus causing problems for the user's body (we have yet to see how BB did it)
• Vegapunk discovered the secrets of the fruits, Crazy genius scientist = nanobytes.
• Oda said we have yet to see what the DFs REALLY are… so they aren't just "fruits".

The only con of this "theory" is that it would be really odd, even for One Piece. But who knows.

This is obscenely fucking stupid, jesus christ what is this shit.

Apologize and take it back.

[enther]

The pirates who will have yonkou level before Black Beard vs Luffy fight will be

Big Mom, Luffy, Black Beard and Hawkins.

Hawkins will conquer White Beard's territories, well, he is conquering White Beard's territories since he fought people like Tea Beard. He has a very practical hability that let him always choose the best option, his sentence "no matter how many times I try Muguiwara possibilities of die never becomes 0" It's a foreshadow of the fact that no matter how good Hawkins choose his options on a fight Luffy will always have a possibility to defeat him. Which is indispensable for Luffy to overcome someone who can always choose the best choice and become pirate king. He also has great fighting power and it seems he has at least the possibility of reach admiral level sine he said "20 dolls are not enough to fight an admiral" that could mean that he can prepare himself to fight an admiral.

Luffy will defeat Kaidou.

Black Beard pirates will defeat Shanks crew plus Mihawk. It would be weird if Luffy fight Shanks to become king so a way to overcome him without fight him is winning someone who defeated him. Black Beard said to Shanks "it's not the time to fight you" that comming from Oda it's a foreshadow of their fight and since Blak Beard is the main villian he has to win. The same goes for Zoro/Mihawk/Shilew.

And Big Mom will play the same rol that White Beard played.

[sanji499]

Mihawk's issue is complicated.

Oda has been hyping up Zoro vs Mihawk for 13 years already. Zoro and SHiriyu did not even met yet.

It will be bad writing if Mihawk is not Zoro's final oponent at the end of the new world.

[flandrian15]

no it is not if there is someone that surpassed even mihawk and if mihawk is defeated, that doesn't mean Zoro can't fight him. losing a fight is not the same as dying !

[NARUTO IS DEEP!]

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[whattles]

Coby will find and eat ace's fire fruit, become an admiral and face luffa in future

[AlucarDraculA]

@sanji499:

It will be bad writing if Mihawk is not Zoro's final oponent at the end of the new world.

Please elaborate on this.

@whattles:

Coby will find and eat ace's fire fruit, become an admiral and face luffa in future

You are a fucking idiot, that is the stupidest theory since "Devil fruits are nano-bytes!"

[kagehisa]

@AlucarDraculA:

Please elaborate on this.

Just like it would be if Luffy never found One Piece, Sanji never found All Blue, etc…

@AlucarDraculA:

You are a fucking idiot, that is the stupidest theory since "Devil fruits are nano-bytes!"

I believe that Coby theory actually came before the "nano-bytes" theory. This is certainly not the first time we've seen either theories.

I can see you're trying hard to become the next Jerk Disease. My advise to you is this:

Stop.

[AlucarDraculA]

@kagehisa:

Just like it would be if Luffy never found One Piece, Sanji never found All Blue, etc…

From my stand point I think that if Shiliew beat Mihawk it would put actual weight on the battle between him and Zoro. I mean one way it would be: "Oh no, that guy is like a super-good swordsman!" the other: "Holy shit! That guy beat Mihawk! That means he is the worlds best swordsman!" I don't care either way but if he wins either of those fights he will be considered the best.

@kagehisa:

I believe that Coby theory actually came before the "nano-bytes" theory. This is certainly not the first time we've seen either theories.

I can see you're trying hard to become the next Jerk Disease. My advise to you is this:

Stop.

Lol, I assume he'll be back but I thought we should all take on the burden of yelling at the idiots.
I have seen the Coby eating Ace's fruit theory before but I found it quicker to make a quick comparison.

PS. How was that impression of Jerk? I know he would have done some thing more bone-chillingly hurtful but I appreciate any feedback.

[Ryuksgelus]

@sanji499:

Mihawk's issue is complicated.

Oda has been hyping up Zoro vs Mihawk for 13 years already. Zoro and SHiriyu did not even met yet.

It will be bad writing if Mihawk is not Zoro's final oponent at the end of the new world.

Zoro can just beat his final villain while suffering from injuries he received from Mihawk.

[kagehisa]

@AlucarDraculA:

PS. How was that impression of Jerk? I know he would have done some thing more bone-chillingly hurtful but I appreciate any feedback.

Analysis:

@JERK:

This is obscenely fucking stupid, jesus christ what is this shit.

Apologize and take it back.

@AlucarDraculA:

You are a fucking idiot, that is the stupidest theory since "Devil fruits are nano-bytes!"

While you both employ liberal use of swear words, Jerk Disease goes the extra mile by actually demanding an "apology" from his victim, adding insult to injury.

In the battle of jerks, the winner is Jerk Disease.

It's not really something to be proud of. Please realize that nobody likes Jerk Disease.

[Josh Galen]

Try changing your avatar to something cute and/or fluffy Alucard! No one can hate you while looking at a picture like sanji499's avatar!

[CP9 Boss Cat]

@kagehisa:

Analysis:

While you both employ liberal use of swear words, Jerk Disease goes the extra mile by actually demanding an "apology" from his victim, adding insult to injury.

In the battle of jerks, the winner is Jerk Disease.

It's not really something to be proud of. Please realize that nobody likes Jerk Disease.

I kinda like the guy. Deep down you know he's an honorable and sympathetic person. He's like a charred marshmellow, rough around the edges yet gooey on the inside.

No?

[Mr. Sandman]

JD's legacy lives on. As you can see many members here have been afflicted.

[RomanceDawn]

@CP9:

I kinda like the guy. Deep down you know he's an honorable and sympathetic person. He's like a charred marshmellow, rough around the edges yet gooey on the inside.

No?

No. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[kagehisa]

@CP9:

I kinda like the guy. Deep down you know he's an honorable and sympathetic person. He's like a charred marshmellow, rough around the edges yet gooey on the inside.

No?

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[whattles]

@AlucarDraculA:

You are a fucking idiot, that is the stupidest theory since "Devil fruits are nano-bytes!"

I knew it was a dumb idea but I posted it anyway for shits and gigs.

But that nano bytes theory is just retarded.

[moorkopff]

@AlucarDraculA:

From my stand point I think that if Shiliew beat Mihawk it would put actual weight on the battle between him and Zoro. I mean one way it would be: "Oh no, that guy is like a super-good swordsman!" the other: "Holy shit! That guy beat Mihawk! That means he is the worlds best swordsman!" I don't care either way but if he wins either of those fights he will be considered the best.

No I totally disagree with the Shilliew beating Mihawk theory. Mihawk has been seen as the strongest swordsman in the world for quite a while now. For him to just be beaten by someone who was actually around for a lot longer, seems strange. They could have easily fought years ago when Shilliew was an impel down warden, causing Mihawk to lose his title back then. This not happening could be for two reasons:

1. Shilliew doesnt care about said title, therefore he never bothered to dual Mihawk. If this is true and Shiliew would for some reason beat Mihawk now, that would really ruin Zoro's amibition for me, as he would have to take the title from someone who doesnt really care about it.
2. Shilliew was simply not strong/skilled enough to defeat Mihawk. If Shilliew were to beat Mihawk now, he must have gotten stronger then before, but is that realistic? He has been around quite a while and I doubt he had any trouble training in ID. It would be like Garp or Sengoku suddenly becoming much stronger. Off course he could have also beaten Mihawk using some sneaky trick, but that would really ruin the whole title for me.

I think if it comes down to a climatic final battle between the Strawhats and the Blackbeard Pirates, it would be more like Zoro having to fight Shilliew with a handicap (like wounds from the fight with Mihawk) or Shilliew pulling all kinds of dirty Cabaji like tricks on Zoro. He doesnt seem like someone who cares about fighting fair or swordsmans honor to me.

[Speed Jiru]

Zoro not fighting Mihawk for the title of worlds strongest swordsman would not be bad writing if he was avenging the death of Mihawk.

[moorkopff]

@Speed:

Zoro not fighting Mihawk for the title of worlds strongest swordsman would not be bad writing if he was avenging the death of Mihawk.

Yeah it kinda would, unless Mihawk would be beaten by someone who also respects a fair fight in swords, Zoro would never be able to truly claim the title of worlds strongest swordsmand, thus ruining his amibition. I don't think Shilliew is the kind of guy who cares about honor in a fight.

[Rubber Fist Luffy]

I don't recall ever seeing the crew fighting for revenge. Except the Franky Family.
The only way I can see Shillew defeating Mihawk is if Mihawk is already injured, just like how Blackbeard defeated Whitebeard.

[Motoss]

I actually like the nano-theory of Devil Fruits, but there is a huge problem with it - if Devil Fruits are caused by technology (which can be replicated), why is there only ever one of each fruit? Wouldn't it make sense if the government knows how to make them for them to replicate the really awesome fruits (such as Kuma's) and give them to all their top officers? What if all the Navy Captains and above had fruits as good as Kuma or even just as good as Kizaru? Pirates would be in deep shit.

[dlo62282]

My theory is that human form chopper will be big as or bigger then kuma. Just look how big his other forms are now, his deer form and his defense point form is gigantic. Human chopper was already the biggest strawhat. And I believe now he would be alot bigger.

Monster chopper might be even bigger as well now 2.

[Kaze]

@dlo62282:

My theory is that human form chopper will be big as or bigger then kuma. Just look how big his other forms are now, his deer form and his defense point form is gigantic. Human chopper was already the biggest strawhat. And I believe now he would be alot bigger.

Monster chopper might be even bigger as well now 2.

Meh, maybe, but if he did was grow, that'd be kind of taking a step backwards rather then forwards like everyone else. He's younger then all of the Straw Hats so he's going to show the most growth physically anyways.

[Mr. Sandman]

Awakened Zoans/demon guards were once humans with zoan Df's right? Do you think they are ever capable of reverting back to their original human form?

Or maybe they're actually animals that ate zoan fruits of their own species, which enhanced them. What do you guys think?

[Redspear]

I'm thinking that they have to choose to stay that way forever.

[Md-Martin]

@Mr.:

Awakened Zoans/demon guards were once humans with zoan Df's right? Do you think they are ever capable of reverting back to their original human form?

Or maybe they're actually animals that ate zoan fruits of their own species, which enhanced them. What do you guys think?

It's possible. Oda did say that say if a human ate Chopper's fruit they'd be "Enlightened". Or another way to say that I guess is to say, "Awakened".

[RDarren]

@Mr.:

Awakened Zoans/demon guards were once humans with zoan Df's right? Do you think they are ever capable of reverting back to their original human form?

Or maybe they're actually animals that ate zoan fruits of their own species, which enhanced them. What do you guys think?

I think the Awakened Zoans came from experimental humans (considering that they were first seen in ID, which was the WG's that is capable of these types of things) who ate a specific Zoan fruit which then was modified into their bodies. As its name suggests, the fruit's capability was awakened ergo, faster recovery, not really highly affected by pain and way more buffed-up strength compared to normal Zoans. And, as a typical experiment as it would be, there were some bad side-effects, e.g., having a runny nose, the user acting unconsciously and just by his instincts.

As far as reverting back, I think the thought that they are always unconscious makes them incapable of returning back to their human form and reverting back is the creator's choice (in this case, the WG or ID's Science and Tech Division).

This has also been brought up in the past that Chopper's Monster Point "may be" an example of an Awakened Zoan. The difference is that the time is limited, and he doesn't have those runny noses and that Chopper increases his size dramatically which could be unique effecst of the Rumble Ball.

[Md-Martin]

Quick small theory: Fishman Island will be destroyed after Van Der Decken takes a huge amount of pills, throws some amazing bladed weapon which Luffy is forced to dodge, breaking the bubbles.

[AlucarDraculA]

Madam Shirley said the "Human with the ripped strawhat" would destroy Fishman Island.

So I think someone might mess with Luffy's hat and cause him to go apeshit.

[Shergal]

@Motoss:

I actually like the nano-theory of Devil Fruits, but there is a huge problem with it - if Devil Fruits are caused by technology (which can be replicated), why is there only ever one of each fruit? Wouldn't it make sense if the government knows how to make them for them to replicate the really awesome fruits (such as Kuma's) and give them to all their top officers? What if all the Navy Captains and above had fruits as good as Kuma or even just as good as Kizaru? Pirates would be in deep shit.

Yeah, obviously it's impossible that something like nanobytes DF would ever happen in OP's universe (but just look at the valid facts I brought up, you know you can theorize with almost anything if you can do it right). But I'm really interested in "what DFs really are".

@AlucarDraculA the "ripped" part was a mistranslation, i think. She just says "Straw Hat".

[kagehisa]

@mdmartin101:

Quick small theory: Fishman Island will be destroyed after Van Der Decken takes a huge amount of pills, throws some amazing bladed weapon which Luffy is forced to dodge, breaking the bubbles.

If all it took was a "bladed weapon" to bust a bubble the size of FI, then FI would have been destroyed long ago by accident.

[Md-Martin]

@kagehisa:

If all it took was a "bladed weapon" to bust a bubble the size of FI, then FI would have been destroyed long ago by accident.

Hence my theory being, VDD will be on a shitload of pills, and throw some amazingly awesome weapon at Luffy. If VDD's on pills, and throws some sword like Arlongs, and Luffy dodges it, it could pop.

[AlucarDraculA]

For a bubble that big the weapon would have to be like the size of the Ryuuguu Palace to do anything.

[kagehisa]

@AlucarDraculA:

For a bubble that big the weapon would have to be like the size of the Ryuuguu Palace to do anything.

exactly. Seeing as something as big as Sunny Go shooting through the bubble didnt even do anything, i doubt a little "amazingly awesome weapon like Arlongs" will do shit.

I dont think pills will enhance VDD's ability to throw stuff with his devil fruit ability, so I doubt chugging pills will contribute to the destruction of FI.

Honestly the only way FI bubble could possibly pop is if VDD threw Wadatsumi out.

[Coruscation]

I dont think pills will enhance VDD's ability to throw stuff with his devil fruit ability

He probably means that with pills enhancing his physical strength, he could pick up and throw larger objects.

[Psychosis]

@AlucarDraculA:

Madam Shirley said the "Human with the ripped strawhat" would destroy Fishman Island.

So I think someone might mess with Luffy's hat and cause him to go apeshit.

I think only some translations have that. Most of the ones I see sites stick with don't have the ripped description.

@Mr.:

Awakened Zoans/demon guards were once humans with zoan Df's right? Do you think they are ever capable of reverting back to their original human form?

Or maybe they're actually animals that ate zoan fruits of their own species, which enhanced them. What do you guys think?

I always thought they were the ones that ate the fruit of their own species.

[Ryuksgelus]

Looking at their snot noses and their clothes I figured the Demon Guards were kids not animals or prisoners. If they are kids it explains why they are tamed. I think Oda will save Animals eating their own fruit for some unique character or monster.