The homage paid to Master Roshi in this chapter was BAD ASS
Chapter 619: "At the Sea Forest" Discussion
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A minor note, but it's kind of funny that Jones has two exactly same scars on his stomach now.
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Am I the only one who's surprised by the fact that Jinbe thought Hachi was in jail?
Well, Jinbe came back to Fishman Island two years ago, and Hachi was protecting the ship at the time. I'm assuming he came down a year later and has been spending the time healing. By then Jinbe could've been kicked out of Fishman Island.
Since Hachi gave up the life of piracy that could mean he didn't have to be kicked out like Jinbe, and that's why they didn't see each other?
It's weak. That would mean Jinbe knew about Hodi but didn't know about Hachi being free yet the New Fishman Pirates knew about Hachi being free.
I have to wonder exactly why Jinbei would want him loose in East Blue specifically. I'm just trying to incorporate what Yosaku said.
I'm assuming it would have to do with East Blue being the symbol of peace or the weakest sea, regardless or whether Jinbe approved or disapproved of Arlong's actions. There's nothing else special about East Blue, unless they wanted to start in the sea where the Pirate King lived, but I would think they would've wanted to go to Loguetown at the beginning then instead of random village X.
The Malcolm X theory would make sense for the past actions, but that still wouldn't explain why Jinbe doesn't want Luffy to fight Hodi (unless he's planning on stopping Hodi himself and doesn't want Luffy and co. to clean up "his mess" again).
Also, I'm hoping Whitebeard will be in the flashback somehow.
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@JERK:
Well the Malcolm X thing would be a perfect comparison actually.
Malcolm was a good guy, he just fell into what was essentially a black supremacist cult, and frankly knowing those times bad things though he would preach you can't hardly personally blame him. His father was killed by the KKK among other things.
And even there he did good by being just this strong image of black defiance and respectability.
When he converted to real Islam after Mecca he dropped the cult and supremacist bullshit, and we were left with a noble strong willed man.
That could be a good Jimbei narrative.
Malcolm was always more interesting then MLK.
Does this mean Jinbei is going to be assassinated by fishman supremacists? I hope not. :ninja:
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so any big mistake in the mangastream scanlation this time?
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I think Jinbei did not send him to a specific location but that he told Arlong to go away from Fishmen Island. Seeing how racist Arlong was, jinbei wouldn't want anyone like that at FI. I think that, at some point, Arlong and Jinbei had a major disagreement, perhaps after Jinbei got to know Whitebeard, who he is grateful to because he saved FI and sent Arlong away, out of the Grand Line or he would have to face Jinbei himself. Jinbei might have been afraid that when he disbanded his crew to become a Shichibukai that a thing like what is happening now with Hodi would've happened with Arlong back in the days. . .
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Luffy:"So Franky's lil' brother is a coating master!"
Franky thumbs up:"Close enough!"
Den's face = WTF?
I'm totally thrilled bout that FB.
I wonder if we'll see Fisher Tiger too, or only Jinbe becomin Shichibukai, Otohime's death and Jinbe's following:"OMG, Otohime died, I'll regret that, even if I die!"
In anyway I hope Jinbe doesn't join. IMO he just doesn't fit to the crew.
Couldn't it be another nice fishman, like Jinbe's Gyojin Karate apprentice waiting at the Dojo we haven't seen yet?
We still have more weird WTF-faces than Enel's, Perona's and Jinbe's, there are still Loulou and Tylestone when they heard fro Paulie that Lucci and Kaku assasinated Icebarg and not Michael and Hoichael. And Enel's and Perona's faces had covered a whole page, didn't they?
Another sign that Oda wants to go on with the story quickly. Don't waste panels.
Did somebody see Jinbe's new clothing? Looks like marihuana- or hemp-leaves.
Also awesum Clam-Fishman is awesum! -
@RobbyBevard:
Jimbei cares about peace and innocent people and knows Arlong's personality, that can't be right.
I assume its something more along the lines of, after FT's death, Arlong kept following Jimbei out of respect for his power and FT's legacy. Then Jimbei agreed to become a shichibukai, and Arlong couldn't stand that he'd sold out to those pitiful humans.
They had a falling out and the Sun pirates split apart. Not an amicable split, but a nasty one. (Other shichibukai like Hancock, Blackbeard, and DoFlamingo are allowed to keep their crews, why wouldn't Jimbei?) Because of Jimbei's actions and trying to take responsibility for his entire race and making peace with humans, which is totally NOT what Arlong is about.
NOT because he purposely sent Arlong out, which would go against pretty much everything we know about him. Including the fact that he felt guilty about Arlong's reign of terror. (And he never went off to stop it personally? What's the reason for that? Because Arlong wouldn't want to talk to the human loving traitor that he once respected, of course.)
Blaming himself for things that weren't really his fault basically. "If I'd just kept leading the Sunny Pirates and hadn't become the governments dog, I could have kept Arlong and Hodi under control." Kind of like Obi Wan Kenobi blaming himself for Darth Vader.
I'm starting to think thats the entire reason he didn't want Luffy fighting Hodi… he didn't want a repeat of the mistake with Arlong.
This is like, exactly what I've been thinking (only summarized about 100x better than I've managed to do in my head or typing).
Another point to consider would be that Jimbei's invitation to the Shichibukai was apparently meant to symbolize reconciliation if I remember that conversation among the Gorousei correctly. That gives me the vibe that Jimbei was already a supporter of that cause by that point, rather than that he changed after Otohime's death. The government would love to get the new, considerably more amicable captain of the formerly human-hating (or at least led by someone who hated humans) Sunny pirates on their side. This of course would only further incite Arlong's anger and instigate the split (which yeah is basically what you said, so the thing with the Gorousei is all I really had to add here).
That's not to say that Jimbei must've always been a fishman saint. He could still have been of the same mindset as Arlong in the past, but maybe it was rather Whitebeard's protection of FI that swayed his mind? Or Otohime's ideals before she died? A combination of both, with Newgate confirming what Otohime had been preaching for so long? We'll know soon enough, hopefully. And I'm also extremely interested to know the origins of his scar as someone pointed out… if the first thing we see in the flashback (or just about, whatever) is scarless Jimbei, I think my heart will miss a beat. Though it could of course not be significant, but I hope otherwise.
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Wicked chapter and Jinbeis face is priceless.
Wetha Jinbei is the next nakama is anyones guess though i reckon thers alot of friction to come from Nami. Im so glad we've finally wrapped up the Arlong mysteryDoes anyone else hav the theory that Zolo cut his own eye in order to make things harder for himself? just like when he cut himself in the Buggy saga to make himself weaker and still win.
I reckon that once hes faced with a new tough enemy he'll open that eye, similar to wearing the bandanaany thoughts?
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Wicked chapter and Jinbeis face is priceless.
Wetha Jinbei is the next nakama is anyones guess though i reckon thers alot of friction to come from Nami. Im so glad we've finally wrapped up the Arlong mysteryDoes anyone else hav the theory that Zolo cut his own eye in order to make things harder for himself? just like when he cut himself in the Buggy saga to make himself weaker and still win.
I reckon that once hes faced with a new tough enemy he'll open that eye, similar to wearing the bandanaany thoughts?
thats what i'm hoping too, but i'm not holding my breath for it. he is the type to have to fight in a disadvantage. we alreadey see that he is faster than fishmen in water, he just cant hold his breath. i honestly wanna see a fight between zoro and luffy now, its like a rayleigh vs mihawk battle omgomgmgomg
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thats what i'm hoping too, but i'm not holding my breath for it. he is the type to have to fight in a disadvantage. we alreadey see that he is faster than fishmen in water, he just cant hold his breath. i honestly wanna see a fight between zoro and luffy now, its like a rayleigh vs mihawk battle omgomgmgomg
Haha yeh definitely would kill to see that, id sell my mum to see those two fight
If he has lost his eye then u can bet theres a damn good reason, im just hoping he still has itBtw is anyone else finding franky's new form hard to get used to?
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Maybe Oda will do Luffy vs. Zoro redux, as when they were on the 1st island in Paradise. The fandom would probably collectively ejaculate at that and it'd answer the ever-debated question of whether they are still truly equal or Luffy is stronger.
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ill tell you this, i reckon that fight will happen when they come to face Do flamingo and then we'll see the fight of the century
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It's pretty questionable whether Doflamingo could really control Luffy or Zoro to fight just as effectively as they would controlling their own bodies, though… I've gotten the impression that he basically just makes their bodies move at his whim.
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hmm good point lol, i guess we'll see
I reckon the Do flamingo saga will be my fav, U just no its guna b an all out war -
Damn.
It seems Jimbei for nakama is rearing its ugly, shitty face again.
Anyway I'm hoping for a fish supremacy Jimbei. Corrigible villains! Oh yeah.
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the thing i ahve the biggest hope for is the coby vs luffy fight
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Anyone else notice page 14 Has the view of 1000 Sunny with Docking bay 3 Visible.
While I know we're going into a flashback I am guessing the Submersible Shark will come into play for some reason. Which would only be useful for the water inside the Bubbles I know due to the pressure difference.
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Wicked chapter and Jinbeis face is priceless.
Wetha Jinbei is the next nakama is anyones guess though i reckon thers alot of friction to come from Nami. Im so glad we've finally wrapped up the Arlong mysteryDoes anyone else hav the theory that Zolo cut his own eye in order to make things harder for himself? just like when he cut himself in the Buggy saga to make himself weaker and still win.
I reckon that once hes faced with a new tough enemy he'll open that eye, similar to wearing the bandana
any thoughts?Why oh why are people still going on about this shit? :getlost:
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Why oh why are people still going on about this shit? :getlost:
then do us a favour and introduce something new to talk about, not worthless sentences like what u just type. otherwise dont complain if ppl wanna discuss somethign that hasn't been solved yet, which would make it a viable topic to talk about
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Anyone else notice page 14 Has the view of 1000 Sunny with Docking bay 3 Visible.
While I know we're going into a flashback I am guessing the Submersible Shark will come into play for some reason. Which would only be useful for the water inside the Bubbles I know due to the pressure difference.
Actually dock 3 is just on the opposite side from dock 1, which has been showing since Sabaody.
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Wicked chapter and Jinbeis face is priceless.
Wetha Jinbei is the next nakama is anyones guess though i reckon thers alot of friction to come from Nami. Im so glad we've finally wrapped up the Arlong mysteryDoes anyone else hav the theory that Zolo cut his own eye in order to make things harder for himself? just like when he cut himself in the Buggy saga to make himself weaker and still win.
I reckon that once hes faced with a new tough enemy he'll open that eye, similar to wearing the bandanaany thoughts?
Yeah.
Who the fuck is "Zolo".
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Don't you know.
His name's Zolo, He's just like a samurai.
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the thing i ahve the biggest hope for is the coby vs luffy fight
Yeh that fight will be ace bt we all no hu will win
Cheers Acer appreciate the support, Wot do u guys reckon if Jinbei was to become a strawhat nakama? Good? Bad?
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Actually dock 3 is just on the opposite side from dock 1, which has been showing since Sabaody.
Oh so might be the Waver getting some use then? That actually would work just as well especially if their fast means of transport becomes incapacitated.
Wonder if a Waver on the water is faster then a mermaid in the water?
Yeh that fight will be ace bt we all no hu will win
Cheers Acer appreciate the support, Wot do u guys reckon if Jinbei was to become a strawhat nakama? Good? Bad?
How weird is it you can spell appreciate, reckon, become and support correctly but absolutely mercilessly destroy 3-4 letter words that did nothing at all to you - they have feelings too you know.
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Is it me, or is Zoro missing his scar on his left eye on this page? http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/75708962/7
Either way, nice chapter.
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Does anyone else hav the theory that Zolo cut his own eye in order to make things harder for himself? just like when he cut himself in the Buggy saga to make himself weaker and still win.
I reckon that once hes faced with a new tough enemy he'll open that eye, similar to wearing the bandanaany thoughts?
http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/actual-reason-why-pirates-wore-eye-patches/blog-104357/
Sailors (stereotyped by the eye-patch-wearing pirate) who often went above and below deck, used eye patches to have one eye adjusted for the top deck and the other eye already adjusted for the darkness when suddenly going below deck. The strong sunlight while above deck on an oceangoing vessel could require minutes of adjustment to the dim lighting below deck. With virtually no light sources below deck, sailors would have to rely heavily upon their eyes to adjust. In the critical moments of modifying the rigging, navigating, and especially during battle, those minutes were too precious. A simple switch of the patch from one eye to the other saved time and was more convenient than being temporarily blinded when going between decks.
I think someone has brought this up before - it is a minor possible reason - all enemies will target that eye to blind him completely or go for perceived blind spots, this would mean Zoro has chosen to keep the eye closed out of willpower instead of using an eye patch.
Or he has lost the eye.
Pretty much the only two options there - having his eye have some demon power is a little rich - the only thing is maybe it is the way Hawkeye trained his eyes to be so strong - instead of training both eyes Zoro is training 1 but that is also associated with the first point.
Besides till Zoro's perceived handicap is further explored you're just going to get frustrated people who discussed it to death when the time skip happened - Actually I am sure there is a ton of discussion there in the thread for it if you're interested.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=29893
Is it me, or is Zoro missing his scar on his left eye on this page? http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/75708962/7
Either way, nice chapter.
Looks to be a standard error - I believe Greg has a section on his website dedicated to errors in the printing send him a PM if he hasn't already caught it - although I think he is still pretty busy over there.
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Ok chaps, let's get back on topic.
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Sorry to change from this wonderful topic :getlost:
The whole 11 years vs 10 years thing. Dont forget there is a time gap between arlong arc and marineford arc. Several months past at least since arlong and luffy crying about ace dying.
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Nami is about to get pissed at Jimbei. Facepalm if Luffy asks him to join because Nami won't agree. She will probably get over it through. Didn't Nami also hate a crew member before and she warmed up to him.
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I think if Hodi is gonna use Usopp, Zoro and Neptune as baits to lure the other straw hats into an obvious trap.
Caimie mentioned that Hodi's mind is also dangerous.
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Whether Nami or anyone else besides Luffy agrees is irrelevant. Hence why Robin was able to join the crew despite the other member's objections.
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Nami is about to get pissed at Jimbei. Facepalm if Luffy asks him to join because Nami won't agree. She will probably get over it through. Didn't Nami also hate a crew member before and she warmed up to him.
I'm wondering if you even read One Piece.
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I never said he won't be able to join, but Nami will be pissed.
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how do you know that? we have yet to see her full reaction to the story.
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Or the logic behind it, which will probably just amount to Jinbei having made a decision that Arlong disagreed with, which resulted in Arlong leaving. The decision will have probably been a good one but obviously it resulted in the unforseen consequence of Arlong's east blue takeover attempt.