Kaku giraffe form is considered a joke in OP where the main character is a rubberman?
Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
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^ This right here.
And don't forget we have a talking reindeer, a guy with a long nose, a cyborg in a speedo, and a reanimated skeleton. -
Oh come on, they're all used as jokes from time to time.
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@THE:
Zoro vs Kaku was ridiculous. And the most shallow, hollow of Zoro's fights.
A joke is cool and all, but it becomes awkward when it takes itself too seriously. What is the point of letting Zoro be all gallant and serious, and introduce a new deadly, mystically horrifying technique, in a supposedly serious, epic, dramatic atmosphere when slicing up a fucking square-nosed giant giraffe? Imagine fighting a huge pink flying pig when reading Shakespearean sonnets with the voice and expression of Abraham Lincoln at a funeral for victims of a holocaust. It's like 300. Utter ridiculous.
Fighting a square-nosed giraffe to save a girl's life is even more horrible of a joke than nose-bleeding being plot point.… Okay, you have a point. But it's not as though a fucking square giraffe is the most ridiculous thing Oda ever invented. There is plenty of weirder shit in this series. :/
I still hate the nose-bleed plot point more. and now Chopper seems to be hinting that transvestite blood is having some kind of effect on Sanji beyond just "saving his life".
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@Sonic:
I agree, the fight with Kaku got ruined for me too when it became a joke.
And no matter how hard you may try Oda, you can't make a giant square-nosed giraffe look intimidating.
I was really annoyed by Kaku eating a giraffe fruit… He was really bad ass before hand and didn't need that joke of a fruit.
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Kaku for nakama!
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@THE:
Zoro vs Kaku was ridiculous. And the most shallow, hollow of Zoro's fights.
A joke is cool and all, but it becomes awkward when it takes itself too seriously. What is the point of letting Zoro be all gallant and serious, and introduce a new deadly, mystically horrifying technique, in a supposedly serious, epic, dramatic atmosphere when slicing up a fucking square-nosed giant giraffe? Imagine fighting a huge pink flying pig when reading Shakespearean sonnets with the voice and expression of Abraham Lincoln at a funeral for victims of a holocaust. It's like 300. Utter ridiculous.
Fighting a square-nosed giraffe to save a girl's life is even more horrible of a joke than nose-bleeding being plot point.I disagree. Zoro vs Kaku had a few jokes in it, but it had some great choreography, and Zoro obviously took enough damage to make it feel serious. The most lulzy attack, where Kaku cubed himself up and then made it rain rankyakus, looked pretty intense for zoro. Razor rain. And I thought the nose-hammer attacks looked like they hurt. That's like getting the shit pounded out you with a sledgehammer.
I admit that I liked Kaku's human form better, but the "wow" factor of him splitting the tower was very impressive.
I think the point was that Kaku looked ridiculous, but his power was no laughing matter. at that point in the story, anyway.
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I disagree. Zoro vs Kaku had a few jokes in it, but it had some great choreography, and Zoro obviously took enough damage to make it feel serious. The most lulzy attack, where Kaku cubed himself up and then made it rain rankyakus, looked pretty intense for zoro. Razor rain. And I thought the nose-hammer attacks looked like they hurt. That's like getting the shit pounded out you with a sledgehammer.
I admit that I liked Kaku's human form better, but the "wow" factor of him splitting the tower was very impressive.
I think the point was that Kaku looked ridiculous, but his power was no laughing matter. at that point in the story, anyway.
I guess my only problem with that was that Kaku was a semi serious opponent imo… when he turned out to gbe a giraffe it was a bit of a let down. Especially because they made a bunch of jokes during his fight.
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@THE:
Zoro vs Kaku was ridiculous. And the most shallow, hollow of Zoro's fights.
A joke is cool and all, but it becomes awkward when it takes itself too seriously. What is the point of letting Zoro be all gallant and serious, and introduce a new deadly, mystically horrifying technique, in a supposedly serious, epic, dramatic atmosphere when slicing up a fucking square-nosed giant giraffe? Imagine fighting a huge pink flying pig when reading Shakespearean sonnets with the voice and expression of Abraham Lincoln at a funeral for victims of a holocaust. It's like 300. Utter ridiculous.
Fighting a square-nosed giraffe to save a girl's life is even more horrible of a joke than nose-bleeding being plot point.This. The fight itself is actually like a bunch of One Piece fights, but this was to save Robin's life.
In fact, the jokes and bonding during the Enies Lobby fights were funny and cool to watch, but it makes you forget that this is to save Robin and this is a really serious situation.
It's why I can't take Spandam seriously. I don't remember him being a douche, i remember him spilling coffee on himself and being a klutz.
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I was really annoyed by Kaku eating a giraffe fruit… He was really bad ass before hand and didn't need that joke of a fruit.
Yeah. I was really annoyed when I found out Luffy ate a rubber fruit, y'all. I thought he was the shiznit, but then he became all strecthy and shit. Real talk.
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See, I think Spanda being a klutz was sort of needed in the story. Remember Franky saying that if he was to get the weapon, he would destroy the world. Saying he was an idiot. Spanda went on his trip with power when he thought he would be able to control the Pluton, but Franky burned the blueprints. Him hitting the Golden Den Den mushi for the buster call made the point of him being a idiot. The den den mushi being left on while he was saying it was alright to let 1000 soldiers die, if it was for the greater good, and to save his life. I think that played into the story.
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See, I think Spanda being a klutz was sort of needed in the story. Remember Franky saying that if he was to get the weapon, he would destroy the world. Saying he was an idiot. Spanda went on his trip with power when he thought he would be able to control the Pluton, but Franky burned the blueprints. Him hitting the Golden Den Den mushi for the buster call made the point of him being a idiot. The den den mushi being left on while he was saying it was alright to let 1000 soldiers die, if it was for the greater good, and to save his life. I think that played into the story.
It's true that Spandam's klutziness played a part in the story, but it's also why I find it hard to take him seriously as a villain.
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Yeah. I was really annoyed when I found out Luffy ate a rubber fruit, y'all. I thought he was the shiznit, but then he became all strecthy and shit. Real talk.
huuuuurrrr duuuuuurrrr so fanny
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@ultimateclima:
It's true that Spandam's klutziness played a part in the story, but it's also why I find it hard to take him seriously as a villain.
You're not supposed to take him seriously.
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The most lulzy attack, where Kaku cubed himself up and then made it rain rankyakus, looked pretty intense for zoro. Razor rain. And I thought the nose-hammer attacks looked like they hurt. That's like getting the shit pounded out you with a sledgehammer.
Pasta Machine was kinda funny and that's that.
Those whimsical attacks were terribly absurd I can't even take them seriously, and the fact that Zoro was being intense made it awkward. Those jokes of an attack shouldn't be given any significance, and shouldn't even be brought up in that situation. -
huuuuurrrr duuuuuurrrr so fanny
If the giraffe thing annoyed you, I don't think you're getting the most out of One Piece, because it's full of goofy/"out there" moments like that. I was laughing my ass off the whole time that happened. It was a "the Straw Hats have been through enough shit, give them a break for once" type of thing. Even then, it was a fucking dangerous giraffe if I've ever seen one. I really wouldn't have had it any other way. Way better than some generic bishounen powerup. That's all just my opinion though, not picking a fight.
Most disappointing thing for me… after scouring the corners of mind... would have to beeee... Mr.3 at the Little Garden arc. Back then, whatever bounty he had was pretty high if I remember, and I was expecting a harder fight. I'd have to reread it though.
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You're not supposed to take him seriously.
Leader of a secret assassination organization of the world government and wants to use the powers of terrible ancient weapons to stop pirates around the world. Not to mention he single handedly caused Tom's demise, and played a part in Franky's horrible past and was the entire cause of Robin's actions and the Enies Lobby incident. Not to mention he was able to get the powers of the Buster Call.
His actions make him one of the most despicable villains in the story. I can see it, and I want to despise him. He for all purposes of the story should be one of the most credible threats so far, but all I gthink of when I remember Spandam is "Ah, I spilled coffee on myself".
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Kaku didn't really bother me. Something that did bother me, however, were some of the…upgrades... at Enies Lobby.
Ashura. I don't know how the hell that works, but whatever. When portraying a fight with a giant giraffe with swords, I guess projecting a demonic aura triplicating a character shouldn't seem so odd. But it does, regardless.
Diable Jambe. I can understand how it works. I just don't understand how Sanji faces no sort of repercussion from it. His leg is basically on fire. It should affect him in some way. (And, yes, I've read Oda's "his heart burns hotter" explanation.)
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If the giraffe thing annoyed you, I don't think you're getting the most out of One Piece, because it's full of goofy/"out there" moments like that.
This is wrong. The rest of Zoro's major fights were serious. And Luffy's big bosses fights never got close to that ridiculous.
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I actually thought Kaku's attacks were rather creative (especially the Rankyaku rain one), but I do admit it was sort of strange seeing him taking himself so damn seriously all of a sudden (I know, pride, but still) when just a few minutes before in his room he was all ''This is fun!'' when fighting Zoro.
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@Badass:
Kaku didn't really bother me. Something that did bother me, however, were some of the…upgrades... at Enies Lobby.
Ashura. I don't know how the hell that works, but whatever. When portraying a fight with a giant giraffe with swords, I guess projecting a demonic aura triplicating a character shouldn't seem so odd. But it does, regardless.
Diable Jambe. I can understand how it works. I just don't understand how Sanji faces no sort of repercussion from it. His leg is basically on fire. It should affect him in some way. (And, yes, I've read Oda's "his heart burns hotter" explanation.)
Now THOSE I can agree with. Mostly Sanji's Diable Jamble. Zoro's I can sort of see, since he's always had demonic auras, but I still don't like how often he used Asura since then (hasn't popped up after the timeskip yet). I mean, since when can Sanji spin like that, anyway?
@THE:
This is wrong. The rest of Zoro's major fights were serious. And Luffy's big bosses fights never got close to that ridiculous.
Zoro's matches with Mr.1 and Ryuma were soulful. They have substance and not just style.Hmmm, you do have a point there about the preceding fights being serious. I'll still hold to my stance that I wasn't disappointed with it since it was a welcome change for me, though, considering how serious the arc before that had been. Also, it accentuated to me that the whole Devil Fruit's thing really is up to chance.
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@THE:
Zoro vs Kaku was ridiculous. And the most shallow, hollow of Zoro's fights.
A joke is cool and all, but it becomes awkward when it takes itself too seriously. What is the point of letting Zoro be all gallant and serious, and introduce a new deadly, mystically horrifying technique, in a supposedly serious, epic, dramatic atmosphere when slicing up a fucking square-nosed giant giraffe? Imagine fighting a huge pink flying pig when reading Shakespearean sonnets with the voice and expression of Abraham Lincoln at a funeral for victims of a holocaust. It's like 300. Utter ridiculous.
Fighting a square-nosed giraffe to save a girl's life is even more horrible of a joke than nose-bleeding being plot point.I always thought most of Zoro's 1vs1 fight were underwhelming except for Zoro vs Ryuuma. that one was short and simple but really well choreograph by Oda. and I agree with someone said that Zoro vs Kaku is underwhelming because Kaku lost his speed and agility after he gain DF and that make the fight less interesting but not because of the joke. This is because i notice that some of Zoro fights are serious like vsHachi, vs Daz, vs Ryuuma, vs Mihawk but there are also the funny one like vs Braham, vs Kaku, vs Luffy, vs Ohm..
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If the giraffe thing annoyed you, I don't think you're getting the most out of One Piece, because it's full of goofy/"out there" moments like that. I was laughing my ass off the whole time that happened. It was a "the Straw Hats have been through enough shit, give them a break for once" type of thing. Even then, it was a fucking dangerous giraffe if I've ever seen one. I really wouldn't have had it any other way. Way better than some generic bishounen powerup. That's all just my opinion though, not picking a fight.
I understand what you are saying but that just isn't how I see it. The impression I got from Kaku was that he was all serious business, and then this happened. A good part of the fight was him being made fun of by his partner, and where it was pretty funny it wasn't what I was looking forward to. Kaku is badass, there is no doubt about that but seriously, a giraffe? Not to mention the battle went back and forth between trying to be serious and joking around. I thought it was really creative how they eventually won the fight but at the same time I would have liked to see a normal Zoro fight here. He always has the more serious enemies to fight and the goofy enemies are normally left to Usopp/Chopper…
It was a really creative and funny fight, but I just wish Kaku and Zoro would have had a different type of fight. That is all I am saying.
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I'll still hold to my stance that I wasn't disappointed with it since it was a welcome change for me, though, considering how serious the arc before that had been. Also, it accentuated to me that the whole Devil Fruit's thing really is up to chance.
Like I said, a joke become awkward when it takes itself too seriously.
And no, the time and place were anything but appropriate. It was anti-climax in contrast to the dramatic build-up at Water Seven and the Robin scene.
Not to mention Zoro's previous fights contain way more substance and character development. Zoro vs Kaku was just shallow with face value.
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@The:
As I said, my opinion. ^^'
Kaku started the Water 7 arc as being one of my favourite new characters - I actually wanted him becoming the Strawhats' shipwright (before realizing Franky was getting the place). But the giraffe thing not only changed the character drastically, but also insisted on ridiculizing him. And that got to my nerve. The only cool thing I think he did was slashing the tower. And then, the thing ended with Ashura, the cherry on top of the rotten sundae. Sadly, I really couldn't like it.Thank Gan Fall Oda made up for it a billion times with Ryuuma. THAT was a cool opponent, and a cool fight, worth of cool Zoro. :)
This is how I felt actually… I didn't read ahead at all but I knew that the SHs were going to get a new crew member, a buddy of mine was saying someone was about to join in the next arc while I was reading it. The moment I saw Kaku I thought he would have fit perfectly with the crew... Looks wise. Even his character, at first, would have fit in well. So I guess after I realized he wouldn't be joining (ala franky, who I actually like alot and am glad he joined, well except he looks weird right now) I figured his fight with Zoro would be epic.... sadly it wasn't for me.
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@ultimateclima:
Leader of a secret assassination organization of the world government and wants to use the powers of terrible ancient weapons to stop pirates around the world. Not to mention he single handedly caused Tom's demise, and played a part in Franky's horrible past and was the entire cause of Robin's actions and the Enies Lobby incident. Not to mention he was able to get the powers of the Buster Call.
His actions make him one of the most despicable villains in the story. I can see it, and I want to despise him. He for all purposes of the story should be one of the most credible threats so far, but all I gthink of when I remember Spandam is "Ah, I spilled coffee on myself".
Sure, but if you take that away, he's pretty much on the same level as Buggy.
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That is the thing though. Kaku was portrayed as this mature, intelligent, and powerful person. They said he spoke as an old man while in Water 7. He was not bothered by the things Jyabura said when they got the doriki reports. WHY did he have such a change of personality and attitude during that fight.
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Maybe turning into an animal did something to him mentally?
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Also, one thing to consider about Giraffes. They look goofy, but these are animals that can kick down multiple lions with ease, and use their necks like flails. They look rather goofy, but they aren't harmless.
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That is the thing though. Kaku was portrayed as this mature, intelligent, and powerful person. They said he spoke as an old man while in Water 7. He was not bothered by the things Jyabura said when they got the doriki reports. WHY did he have such a change of personality and attitude during that fight.
Actually I don't see him as a serious and collective type of a person.. and his speech type thing, Oda love giving his characters different type of speech pattern. to me he was more like a soft and kind hearted with a little bit of goofiness in him. and he always doesn't show any reaction for something that doesn't really interested to him like fighting with Jyabura. look at how good his relationship with W7 citizen, jumping around and waving to kids..
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About how Sanji came up with Diable Jambe, in my opinion, is actually one of the stronger points in One Piece, compared to any other shounen manga I've ever read: people come up with new things once in a while to adapt (maybe it wasn't the case in Jabra's fight, but, anyway) to the current situation, instead of spending the whole series using only 'Pegasus Ryuuseiken' (or maybe one or two other variations of the same shit).
Everytime Luffy starts a "Gomu Gomu Noooooo…", my expectation hit the heavens: "Wow, what the hell will he come up with this time?" :DI'll never forget the feeling of OMGness when Luffy first developed the Gomu Gomu No Storm, or the Gear 2 attacks. This is one of the many reasons which make him my favourite shounen series' main character, and OP the best ever. :)
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@Badass:
Sanji faces no sort of repercussion from it. His leg is basically on fire. It should affect him in some way. (And, yes, I've read Oda's "his heart burns hotter" explanation.)
When fighting a Pasifista didn't he stop fighting for a couple seconds because his leg hurt from using it?
This is because i notice that some of Zoro fights are serious like vsHachi, vs Daz, vs Ryuuma, vs Mihawk but there are also the funny one like vs Braham, vs Kaku, vs Luffy, vs Ohm..
How was vs. Ohm not serious?
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When fighting a Pasifista didn't he stop fighting for a couple seconds because his leg hurt from using it?
How was vs. Ohm not serious?
that dog..
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that dog..
Yeah but Ohm himself was a beast! Zoro could not even touch him until the final blow, he was taking out huge amounts of guys, he could predict all of Zoro's moves, and he had badass sunglasses!
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Is the whole Kaku-giraffe thing still going? Anyway, I didn't really mind he turned into a giraffe. It sorta showed.. integrity?
First off, in most animes, there is a clear distinction between epic, serious scenes, and comic relief. Making the comical bits almost superfluous to the story. The fact that Oda combined humour with seriousness, same as he did with the whole Sogeking situation, Luffy vs Enel, Straw Hats looking for the bomb in Arabasta…, is a good thing.
Where other shonen manga have these moments where they're all "and now it's time for some epicness", One Piece is epic in the small things. Everything that happens, happens naturally, and you don't find it epic because some mangaka added awesome ink stains, but because what is happening means something intense. And the Kaku vs. Zoro fight, the whole Enies Lobby Arc, was intense. If Oda would have decided to not make any fun of it at all it'd be like he'd chickened out and was afraid his story would have less impact if he'd add jokes. Hence, integrity.
And a last note on that, it adds to the mystery of the Devil Fruits. The point is you get this unkown fruit and you don't know what it may do to you. If everyone keeps eating fruits that perfectly match their strength or personality, it's just too convenient.
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Not all Zoans can be sweet animals with big teath and claws. Somewhere out there, some poor bastard is a platypus.
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Being a platypus without the ability to swim… Damn, it would suck.
But he could still become an awakened zoan, no ?
I think that's what saves the "weak" zoans.
Look at the zebra one... Obviously, the rhinoceros zoan would be stronger. But we can't really see any difference between them when they're awakened zoans.
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I was being ironic. Platyopus are poisonous and totally boss.
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I was being ironic. Platyopus are poisonous and totally boss.
This thing is really poisonous ? :blink:
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Yes, it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus
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I mean, the whole point of Kaku was that he talked like an old man!
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[qimg]http://www.itsnature.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/platypus.jpg[/qimg]
This thing is really poisonous ? :blink:
Only males are poisonous though.
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When fighting a Pasifista didn't he stop fighting for a couple seconds because his leg hurt from using it?
That didn't have anything to do with the Diable Jambe. He kicked the Pacifista, whose body was harder than steel. It hurt him. As it should have.
However, Sanji has never faced any repercussions from Diable Jambe itself.
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@Badass:
That didn't have anything to do with the Diable Jambe. He kicked the Pacifista, whose body was harder than steel. It hurt him. As it should have.
However, Sanji has never faced any repercussions from Diable Jambe itself.
I'm pretty sure it was Diable Jambe from the way it looked but we can agree to disagree.
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I'm pretty sure it was Diable Jambe from the way it looked but we can agree to disagree.
Okay, then why did Diable Jambe hurt him that time and that time alone?
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Agree with Badass SnowCone in that matter just to have my say in this :P
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I still can't see how Diable Jambe how it is very beneficial. Seriously, the guy is going to be kicked and go flying. The foot usually isn't in contact long enough for the heat to transfer to the other person. Also, just a quick light from the matches he is always using to light his cigarettes would do the same thing as spinning for a long time. You know what risk he has of getting dizzy?
And the spices line still bothers me!
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@Mrs.:
Is the whole Kaku-giraffe thing still going? Anyway, I didn't really mind he turned into a giraffe. It sorta showed.. integrity?
First off, in most animes, there is a clear distinction between epic, serious scenes, and comic relief. Making the comical bits almost superfluous to the story. The fact that Oda combined humour with seriousness, same as he did with the whole Sogeking situation, Luffy vs Enel, Straw Hats looking for the bomb in Arabasta…, is a good thing.
Where other shonen manga have these moments where they're all "and now it's time for some epicness", One Piece is epic in the small things. Everything that happens, happens naturally, and you don't find it epic because some mangaka added awesome ink stains, but because what is happening means something intense. And the Kaku vs. Zoro fight, the whole Enies Lobby Arc, was intense. If Oda would have decided to not make any fun of it at all it'd be like he'd chickened out and was afraid his story would have less impact if he'd add jokes. Hence, integrity.
And a last note on that, it adds to the mystery of the Devil Fruits. The point is you get this unkown fruit and you don't know what it may do to you. If everyone keeps eating fruits that perfectly match their strength or personality, it's just too convenient.
That is all.Okay Sogeking is meant to be kind of funny/awesome at the same time, Luffy is goofy/powerful at the same time, Zoro is always the more serious character. I understand what you are saying but just can't agree with it :/ Kaku was a serious character as well… I understand Sogeking/Jy...wolf guy being funny but it took away from the other fight to have it so back and forth.
I suppose part of the problem is that I am a big fan of Kaku before he got his DF power. I think I would have been cool with him being a giraffe if it wasn't made into a complete joke during the fight. I am not saying it was terrible, I am saying that it was a joke of a fight compared to what I had expected/wanted.
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I still think the absolute coolest part of the Kaku fight is at the very start when he just stands there with that super-innocent look, then Sorus away while simultaneously drawing his swords, leaving the scabbards hanging in mid-air, then re-appears right in Zoro's face and strikes at him. So badass.
…and yeah, that's before he started using his Devil Fruit. While I enjoyed that part quite a bit and found it highly entertaining, the above mentioned scene almost does make me wish that Oda wouldn't have given it to him.