I am torn. On the one side I want to see him wreck some more chaos, on the other I want someone to haki jam a crowbar up his ass for what he did to those mermaids.
Yeah am kind of defendent that way. If that makes any sense :ninja:
I am torn. On the one side I want to see him wreck some more chaos, on the other I want someone to haki jam a crowbar up his ass for what he did to those mermaids.
Yeah am kind of defendent that way. If that makes any sense :ninja:
Don't see why we can't have both happen. He captures and hurts even more mermaids and causes all sorts of problems while sneaking about, but eventually Sanji finds him and beats him 'til his own brother wouldn't recognize him. Sounds about right to me.
@ultimateclima:
The candy factory will definitely be shown at some point during the arc …. It wouldn't have been brought up otherwise,
Not neccesarily.
The point of the candy factory(apart from foreshadowing some of Big Mam's traits) is to show clearly that she has the island under her protection.
So when Luffy either wrecks the island or is falsely accused for it, it will be seen as Luffy and co. declaring war on Big Mam, which will probably be the plot of arcs in the near future.
More than likely anyway. So it won't be that relevant for the duration of this arc per se.
Caribou capturing the princess is unlikely IMO. I think Van Der Decken will nab her.
Edit: But I agree that Sanji will kick him around the place. The main indicator is that Caribou captured that particular mermaid that sanji got on really well with, as well as how fitting it would be for Sanji to save the mermaids
Someone said that Caribou will capture Shirahoshi. That doesn't sound too bad to me; it sounds like something he'd love to do, and she will probably undergo quite a bit of change and get a good chunk of character development over the course of this arc. Since it seems reasonable to assume that Decken won't get to her with Luffy vowing to protect her from him I could see the sneaky fucker that is Caribou succeeding instead.
The thing is though that this bothers me for the same reason it would bother me if Luffy lost a battle in this arc. Luffy vowed to get stronger to protect those he cared about, but he would fail to stop Caribou from snatching the princess? Whether it was a careless error like when Camie was captured or Luffy straight up fails to protect her would be bad either way.
Not neccesarily.
The point of the candy factory(apart from foreshadowing some of Big Mam's traits) is to show clearly that she has the island under her protection.
So when Luffy either wrecks the island or is falsely accused for it, it will be seen as Luffy and co. declaring war on Big Mam, which will probably be the plot of arcs in the near future.
More than likely anyway. So it won't be that relevant for the duration of this arc per se.
It would seem unlike Oda to not at least show what is being produced in the factory. Even if what is being produced is truly just candy, the fact that this is being done seems like something that wouldn't just note without actually seeing it. Though this could just be seen later on as you note as part of the overarching story.
The thing is though that this bothers me for the same reason it would bother me if Luffy lost a battle in this arc. Luffy vowed to get stronger to protect those he cared about, but he would fail to stop Caribou from snatching the princess?
Well, I imagine that it would be a testament to Caribou's sneakiness. And there has to be some tension in the arc, right? While I fully agree that we can't have the SHs going around failing too much, it wouldn't be fun if everything went perfectly either.
How about they put her back in the tower, thus assuming she's safe, but Caribou has gotten wind of it and manages to sneak in with his ability? Or, alternatively, Decken is defeated so they think that there's no threat, allowing her to roam about as she pleases, but everyone's forgotten about Caribou… and you can figure out the rest. I don't think that either of those would really be bad, since in the end Luffy can't expect to constantly keep everyone safe every single second. But of course, swamp-man's success wouldn't last long.
I think it will be literally candy.
You do make a good point about how it would be unusual for the author not to show the inner workings. I think that will be for a future arc though.
I think there is enough going on already in this arc already to be honest.
I've got it: the final fight will be in the candy factory (which really is just a candy factory), messing it up good, and when we see Big Mam get the news of what has gone down she's sort of indifferent to Fishman Island being "destroyed" but goes apeshit and vows to make Luffy beg for death before she's done with him over destroying her candy factory.
…or maybe not. I'm sort of expecting BM to maybe be the "goofy" Emperor, but that might be a bit too much. I'd have to agree that there's probably something sneaky about it. Whether it produces the Energy Steroids as some think... I dunno, but it's probably not as innocent as it sounds to be honest.
@S.C.:
Yes. If a AW comes to play here, it won't be the one activated, but if a Poneglpyh is here, a mirror of Robin discovering Poseidon in the sky and Zeus/Jupiter in the sea.
Yeah, Robin found the Poneglyph of Poseidon in the sky, but that Poneglyph wasn't originally in the sky the whole time. When the Poneglyph was made Shandora was still "on the ground/blue ocean". I wonder whats on the Poneglyph @ FI. If there's also info bout a 3rd AW the Poneglyphs really are dangerous. Almost every Poneglyph we know about contains info bout AWs.
It's also interesting bout the void century: FI is exactly under MJ, the center of the world and the headquarter of the WG, so I wonder what the ancient civilization has left there for Robin…
So after some consideration I get the feeling that this arc will have a couple flashbacks rather than a single all encompassing one. I figure Shirahoshi will have the initial fb regarding her mother and whatever happened 10 years ago once they reach the grave and have dealt with VDD. We probably won't get Jinbe's Fisher Tiger fb until the second half of the arc, once we know who the main villan is and this arc has a clear direction.
luffy will destroy fishman island and thus destroy the candy factory.
big mama will hunt luffy,, that would be the next arc big mama vs luffy..
any one agrees?
Big Mama for Nakama.
You do know there is a Official Fishman Island thread stickied up above, right?
@S.C.:
You do know there is a Official Fishman Island thread stickied up above, right?
Oh but that thread isn't this thread am I right?
It is now.
Anyways, to answer the guy who started this, while the actual Island itself being destroyed is iffy at best, I do think some sort of interaction between them, good or bad, will happen. Probably negative though, and no way a Yonkou goes down this quick in the story.
Yeah - I mean if big Mama is Lola's mother then Luffy being her saviour would be a point in his favour - destruction of the factory and FI - would be something that would put him in her bad books but probably not seek and kill.
I think anything with Big Mama would be down to his direct interaction with her.
I think Sanji would have a problem with Luffy fighting a Lady.
Luffy hit Vivi right in front of him back in the Laboon arc.
Nami hit Vivi right in front of him back in the Laboon arc.
Nami isn't a male. He's fine with girl on girl action.
@S.C.:
You do know there is a Official Fishman Island thread stickied up above, right?
sorry, but i didn't kwow where to put this, in fi thread or dumb prediction thread.
@S.C.:
It is now.
Anyways, to answer the guy who started this, while the actual Island itself being destroyed is iffy at best, I do think some sort of interaction between them, good or bad, will happen. Probably negative though, and no way a Yonkou goes down this quick in the story.
yeah maybe not the whole arc but any emperor would go mad if you destroy their turf
He decked that one Baroque Works Agent back at Whiskey Peak (Valentine's Day?).
Zoro did, and Sanji was asleep.
@Mr.:
Nami isn't a male. He's fine with girl on girl action.
I meant Luffy.
Ugh, half asleep >.<
I meant Luffy.
Ugh, half asleep >.<
I know that feeling - also Luffy isn't bothered too much with fighting women if he has to. I think Sanji understands this - because Luffy would never pick a fight with a female who could not fight back.
I know that feeling - also Luffy isn't bothered too much with fighting women if he has to. I think Sanji understands this - because Luffy would never pick a fight with a female who could not fight back.
Right, but the argument was over whether Sanji would actively protect a girl from Luffy, and the answer appears to be that if she is a villain, no.
Right, but the argument was over whether Sanji would actively protect a girl from Luffy, and the answer appears to be that if she is a villain, no.
Then the argument was kinda redundant.
Other then Vivi,
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He hasn't really done a repeat - but the precident is set he will treat anyone in his crew evenly I believe.
Sanji isn't an idiot but his sense of morals I believe is intended to be he himself will not be the cause of harm to a female - but others can do what he can not.
Then the argument was kinda redundant.
Other then Vivi,
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He hasn't really done a repeat - but the precident is set he will treat anyone in his crew evenly I believe.
Sanji isn't an idiot but his sense of morals I believe is intended to be he himself will not be the cause of harm to a female - but others can do what he can not.
Uhm, it is highly relevant that Sanji is objecting more angrily than the others, but I admit that he is not actively stopping luffy, so you have a fair point.
Uhm, it is highly relevant that Sanji is objecting more angrily than the others, but I admit that he is not actively stopping luffy, so you have a fair point.
It's cool - Sanji is the Chivalrous type - lifted from the rather "unique" information database Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry
But lets be honest - Sanji maybe a love fool but he is not an idiot.
Out of the crew he is more likely to try out thinking an oponent then - I think I brought it up before - complete assumption but when Sanji gets serious he lights up a cigarette. He takes it out, pads the Cigarette out raises it up and lights it with a match or similar. In that time you can assess a lot and create a plan.
Infact this arc alone I am looking forward to see how he is shown to have improved - other then a couple of quick manuvers no-one has been seen in full battle mode.
Sanji could very well end up fighting Caribou infact - once he learns of the mermaids captured. Besides I wonder what a geppou speed heated kick could do to a Swamp Logia, wont be pleasent I am certain
^ interesting stuff man. I never thought of Sanji that way. He could secretly be a master mind. How do you think he'll get past Decken's ability?
I just can't believe the strawhats forgot that they brought Caribou to FI. It's their fault that mermaids are being captured. They should have just cast him off the ship in a bubble before arriving at FI.
@Mr.:
I just can't believe the strawhats forgot that they brought Caribou to FI. It's their fault that mermaids are being captured. They should have just cast him off the ship in a bubble before arriving at FI.
Why is that? They kept forgetting about him when he was on the Sunny on the way to FI. Of course they're likely to forget about him after they get to FI.
Why is that? They kept forgetting about him when he was on the Sunny on the way to FI. Of course they're likely to forget about him after they get to FI.
yea, plus i don't think they planned on entering fishman island in the manner that they did. i don't see them stopping to drop him off in that situation. then they got skattered so..
Hyozo's real opponent
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^ That reminds me, have we seen a shrimp fishman/ merman yet? I don't quite remember.
Hyozo's real opponent
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That's not fair, when your nemesis attacks by hitting and not biting, like the 90% of every living thing on earth, it's not a good matchup!
You know, I know this sort of thing has been brought up a lot in the past, but wouldn't now be a great time for Donflamingo to do something? Could this end up being his long awaited arc? I recall his quote from when Bellamy got cut down, something about disregarding people's beliefs to instead take advantage of both sides and come out on top. Here we are, early in a "long arc," and we have two sides in clear conflict in Decken's army and Neptune's army. If he were here, he'd be in a prime position to take advantage.
Of course, I'd have no idea what he'd gain, but it is still possible. This island is full of mermainds after all. Donflamingo also has a ton of qualities that seem to coincide with this arc. He can control people, and literally make them his slaves–in an arc about an enslaved people. He owned a place that sold mermaids, suggesting that at least two years ago he lived in the first half of the Grandline meaning he might be in position to arrive here somehow. He's a shichibukai, making him a prime candidate to defeat Jimbei later. Speaking of defeat, notice that Donflamingo's ability is potentially superior to Decken's ability? Decken can make weapons fly towards to objections, while Donflamingo could possible control those weapons and the people around him. We also have Hodi, a powerhouse who later would make for a great jobber to display his ability to control powerful fishmen. It feels like Donflamingo is a character who would go great with this arc. Is anyone else getting that feeling?
I've mentioned DoFlamingo several times before.
Not only because of what you already said, but really he is the last shichibukai to not have direct contact with any of the Strawhats.
Was it ever confirmed that Doflamingo had a devil fruit ability?
Was it ever confirmed that Doflamingo had a devil fruit ability?
No DF name was ever officially given, which makes me believe Oda is saving that mystery for when the Strawhats have a confrontation with Doflamingo. I have a hard time imagining him as someone who clashes with the strawhats though. He's just an anarchist that goes with the flow. He sorta reminds me of the Cheshire cat or the joker. The purpose of his existence is to just promote chaos and enjoys watching opposing sides kill each other. I doubt he cares about anything.
I've mentioned DoFlamingo several times before.
Not only because of what you already said, but really he is the last shichibukai to not have direct contact with any of the Strawhats.
aside from the new ones we've yet to see.
Yeah, he could just be really good with strings.
(Hellsing anyone?)
No matter how good Doflamingo is with string, there's no way his fingers could just stop someone like Jozu in his tracks with no effort whatsoever. It's most likely a Devi Fruit, really.
hmm maybe the "candy factory" is where Hodi is getting those steriods :P
Yeah, that's already been mentioned since several chapters ago numerous times.
sorry I just joined the forums and haven't backread everything. :<
You know, I kinda want to see Luffy destroy it intentionally.
Yeah, that's already been mentioned since several chapters ago numerous times.
Wait, I don't remember this. What "candy factory?"
I donno, i like doflamingo, i think if he's involved, he's involved in the pills since he mentioned 'slave trading is a thing of the past' and he's got his hands in something that is emerging in the future.
it'll kind of make him not an involved 'villian' in the sense that the strawhats will interact with him, but at the same time he will still be 'involved' if that makes sense
@geekialrage:
sorry I just joined the forums and haven't backread everything. :<
no worries
I just thought of more good reasons for Donflamingo to appear soon, assuming he ever gets to play an arc villain. Luffy's bounty surpassed his recently. In this arc, it's been suggested that Luffy will destroy Fishman Island, which seems like cause for a definite bounty increase. Regardless of what you think bounties mean, Luffy is typically close to the bounty of his rival for the arc.
But better yet, Don's powers could play a neat role in how Luffy "destroys Fishman Island." Don can as least lift the severed leg of Oars right? Well, since he's a shichibukai can we at least assume he can lift say, part of an island? Heck, even a building would do. It's easy to imagine a climatic battle between Luffy and Donflamingo that results in tons of buildings getting smashed.
I just thought of more good reasons for Donflamingo to appear soon, assuming he ever gets to play an arc villain. Luffy's bounty surpassed his recently. In this arc, it's been suggested that Luffy will destroy Fishman Island, which seems like cause for a definite bounty increase. Regardless of what you think bounties mean, Luffy is typically close to the bounty of his rival for the arc.
But better yet, Don's powers could play a neat role in how Luffy "destroys Fishman Island." Don can as least lift the severed leg of Oars right? Well, since he's a shichibukai can we at least assume he can lift say, part of an island? Heck, even a building would do. It's easy to imagine a climatic battle between Luffy and Donflamingo that results in tons of buildings getting smashed.
Or Doflamingo controls Luffy to destroy FI