wow black and white world vs the gray world faction.
Most Despicable Villain(s) so far…
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wow black and white world vs the gray world faction.
It's not "black or white" vs "gray".
The thing is: sometimes a crime's punishment may be atenuated by the motivations. Someone who kills under emotional distress or who robs because he's hungry and desperate may have a lesser punishment, but that's because such a person is not considered as harmful to society as a psychopath or a drug dealer. Obviously, killing the assassin of your son is totally different than killing someone to rob him. The first case considers that it's unlikely that the killer will repeat the offense; the later implies that he could do it all over again.
In this thread, we are talking about people who commit terrible crimes that go far beyond that. If you kill 100 people, it doesn't matter if you have a justification or not, you're just a mass murderer. You've gone too far to be considered any less dangerous than other people who killed hundreds. There's always a "point of no return", a "moral event horizon" which makes you a monster if you cross it, no matter your reasons.
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such as killing 100 people because they didn't have what you wanted to eat
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killing 100 people because they were going to kill you (or turn you in for bounty or whatever they were going to do)
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That "logic" is just your own opinion.
No that logic is just common sense…
If you have any kind of balls you'd actually point out the failures in the point I was making rather than post more repetitive crap that only adds to the crap pile of failure you've posted so far.
Try actually arguing against the point I've made rather than redirect the point at hand. Either way you've embarrassed yourself by totally refusing to acknowledge the simple truth I've posted so far....
Good luck with that.
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@Zender:
No that logic is just common sense…
If you have any kind of balls you'd actually point out the failures in the point I was making rather than post more repetitive crap that only adds to the crap pile of failure you've posted so far.
Try actually arguing against the point I've made rather than redirect the point at hand. Either way you've embarrassed yourself by totally refusing to acknowledge the simple truth I've posted so far....
Good luck with that.
Person A kills for fun: Body count - 25
Person B kills for personal justice: Body count - 50Assume that everything is done under the same conditions in the same environment and both are armed equally. The only thing usable for comparison is the body count.
Case-in-point, you're retarded.
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I think Akainu is more despicable than Lucci, for instance, because he not only is willing to kill innocents in order to get a criminal, but he also has the power to take that decision and do not get punished for it. Lucci does not have the same freedom to decide what to do; he's following orders.You are saying that Lucci killing 500 royal soldiers was because of order from above?
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It's not "black or white" vs "gray".
The thing is: sometimes a crime's punishment may be atenuated by the motivations. Someone who kills under emotional distress or who robs because he's hungry and desperate may have a lesser punishment, but that's because such a person is not considered as harmful to society as a psychopath or a drug dealer. Obviously, killing the assassin of your son is totally different than killing someone to rob him. The first case considers that it's unlikely that the killer will repeat the offense; the later implies that he could do it all over again.
In this thread, we are talking about people who commit terrible crimes that go far beyond that. If you kill 100 people, it doesn't matter if you have a justification or not, you're just a mass murderer. You've gone too far to be considered any less dangerous than other people who killed hundreds. There's always a "point of no return", a "moral event horizon" which makes you a monster if you cross it, no matter your reasons.
so is Zoro a mass murderer? he killed those 100 bounty hunter on whiskey peak.
or is the fact that it was a self defense type of situation mean something? They were going to turn them in for bounty reward, they were in the right. So is Zoro our mass murderer?
Or is it thought differently since he did it out of self preservation instead of killing 100 people because pleasure, or some stupid reason like they served the wrong booze or food.
how about if a group of 100+ bandits or criminals, murdere's ect come to your town and start attacking it. Your a normal innocent civilian, but in this fight you kill over a 100 of them protecting your town. did you somehow cross some line and can never come back. are you damaged for life and are now someone all peopel should look at and be like OMG he is going to kill me any second now. Why can't you continue being just a normal every day joe. You learned that you can kill if situation arises, but that can be found out after even 1 person you kill. 100 is certainly not needed.
are the people in the military now somehow corrupt and damaged goods because they ahve killed a person. should i now consider my firends that were in the marines as murderers and be wary of them and think that htey are no better than some smuck who killed his family.
the only thing i agree on is the second part i bolded. There is some moral event that when crossed changed things. numbers have nothing to do with it. someone could have killed a dozen people but be a normal loving person, while the sickest fuck could have only killed one. the reason for the killing is the main point, not the number.
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Akainu really shouldn't have so many votes. Almost all the others are worse outside Foxy and Moria. I believe Crocodile is arguable.
I am indecisive about who the most despicable is myself though.
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I dont understand how people can not think that Enel is not the most despicable. Yeah he may be a cool character but the guy incinerated his own home island. He also ruled over his people as a tyrannical god and tried to kill them all in the end.
2nd i guess would have to be Akainu, for obvious reasons.
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I dont understand how people can not think that Enel is not the most despicable. Yeah he may be a cool character but the guy incinerated his own home island. He also ruled over his people as a tyrannical god and tried to kill them all in the end.
2nd i guess would have to be Akainu, for obvious reasons.
Probably Because Enel was defeated in a rather pathetic way. He tried to run away from Luffy and was only confident about his power because no one was able to hit him. Skypia arc was generally good, but Enel fight did not had the weight of making him look like a despicable villian.
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Because we didn't see Enel kill anyone, so even if he did, he doesn't have much of the despicable villain vibe.
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so is Zoro a mass murderer? he killed those 100 bounty hunter on whiskey peak.
No, because:
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It was in self-defense. Normally killing 100 people is far from defending yourself, but if 100 people really are trying to kill you and all your friends and you have the skill to defeat all of them, then it's just self-defense.
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We don't know how many he actually killed and how many were just injured. While some people translate Zoro's actions as "killing" 100 bounty hunters, a lot of them were shown alive (most of the leaders, some grunts who later begged Mr. 5 to protect them, etc.). So, Zoro did not use excessive force and was not really intending to "kill" his opponents, just defend himself and his firends.
This is completely different from most of the cases in this poll, who're willing to kill hundreds.
For example, Enel didn't kill the God's militia, but he enslaved them and later intended to kill them. The intention counts, even if the act itself fails. Enel's amoral because he's willing to kill hundreds. Now, there's a huge difference between Zoro defending himself from 100 people and planning to murder 100 people for whatever reason.
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- It was in self-defense.
What if Akainu says that he sank that boat to defense billions of people of the world, prevent the tiniest chance of reviving the weapon, and he didn't want those Oharans to die, didn't want to kill them but he must, that he had to made a hard choice to put the lives of billions of innocent civilians over the lives of those hundreds of innocent Oharans. Billions > hundreds.
Let's assume that Zoro did kill those 100 bounty hunters. Then he put his life and his 4 friends' over the lives of 100 people. 5 > 100.:ninja: Can you say he is just? Do you think that self-defense in this case is… selfish, by putting one's own life over many other's?
I am not defending for Akainu. I am just assuming what Akainu will say to defend himself. Imagine someday he is called to the court martial, and you are the lawer of his victims.
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Killing in self-defence isn't necessarily justifying. To be fair, he didn't have to kill them, with his strenght he could've easily just knocked them out.
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And you didn't answer my question: http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1604409&postcount=304
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I won't bother to answer every single question, but that act was the main reason I put Lucci in my rank. It's still far bellow IMO than Akainu's killing thousands of totally innocent people because there was a tiny chance of an archeologist (i.e.: someone who is not a direct threat to anyone) could have maybe slipped into the ship.
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What Akainu did was not in self-defense. Self-defense is about protecting oneself or someone else from direct harm. Killing thousands of innocents because there may be a criminal in a boat is far from any kind of defense.
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Zoro was not murdering those bounty hunters; he was defending himself. Show me any scene in which he stays to attack a downed foe in order to ensure that he would be dead. Or show me any confirmed death on-panel. I, however, can show you some bounty hunters that survived, indicating that Zoro was not using excessive force.
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The fact that the attackers outnumbered him is worthless. So, if three thugs attack a martial artist, the victim must not defend himself because 3 thugs are worth more than 1 victim?
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Killing in self-defense only happens by accident. You have the right to defend yourself only while the attacker is still capable of causing harm. If by accident you kill him, it's not your fault, but his. If you continue to attack him after he's not a threat anymore, however, this is not self-defense, but plain and simple murder.
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Zoro is a criminal. Those bounty hunters aren't. A criminal defense himself in this case against the law.
Pirates are always agaisnt the law.
What is your point now? A criminal committing the heaviest crime, before the weight of current law, he is evil.
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Zoro is a criminal. Those bounty hunters aren't. A criminal defense himself in this case against the law.
Pirates are always agaisnt the law.
What is your point now? A criminal committing the heaviest crime, before the weight of current law, he is evil.
"Akainu" said that he defense people in the world, not defense himself. Why can't you see "his" point?Law does not always equals to good.
What crimes have the Strawhat had commited back then? Beat other criminals? Save villages?
What crimes did Robin commit to become a criminal at 8 years old?
So don't come to me that because he's a criminal, he has no right to defend himself. Even criminals have the right of self-defence.
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Law does not always equals to good.
What crimes have the Strawhat had commited back then? Beat other criminals? Save villages?
What crimes did Robin commit to become a criminal at 8 years old?
So don't come to me that because he's a criminal, he has no right to defend himself. Even criminals have the right of self-defence.
I don't say he is evil. I just say before the weight of the law he is.
He is not even trying to say he is innocent. He wants those bounty hunters to come to kill him. With Zoro's strength he doesn't need to fight them to protect his crew.
Okay, so let put you into his position. Someday you decide to be a mafia, you choose to put yourself outside the law, and for some reasons you have bounty on your head, dead or alive. Then you kill anyone who aims for your head, and end up killing hundreds of people, who doesn't go against the law, who want to make a living lawfully by killing an outlaw. What do you think about yourself? -
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I don't say he is evil. I just say before the weight of the law he is.
He is not even trying to say he is innocent. He wants those bounty hunters to come to kill him. With Zoro's strength he doesn't need to fight them to protect his crew.
Okay, so let put you into his position. Someday you decide to be a mafia, and for some reasons you have bounty on your head, dead or alive. Then you kill anyone who aims for your head, and end up killing hundreds of people, who doesn't go against the law. What do you think about yourself?I'd be a pretty big bastard, first because I am probably a threat to innocents in the first place. Second, because I'm not trying to subdue my pursuers, I'm outright killing them. And third, because in modern society there are better ways of getting out of that situation (surrendering to the law under witness protection).
This is where the situation is different for Zoro: as much as he's a wanted criminal, he's not a threat to innocents. He's not robbing, murdering or selling drugs around. He's a criminal just because he declared himself a pirate; he didn't do anything wrong.
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This is where the situation is different for Zoro: as much as he's a wanted criminal, he's not a threat to innocents. He's not robbing, murdering or selling drugs around. He's a criminal just because he declared himself a pirate; he didn't do anything wrong.
He claims himself to be pirate, he chooses to put himself outside the law. Can he blame those bounty hunters for wanting to kill him? You think he would say: "Hey, I don't do anything wrong, I don't kill anyone innocent, so why are you coming at me to take my head?"? He won't say that. To make them his opponents is his own decision. To make the law his opponent is his decision. Ever since he decide to be an outlaw, he must have known that he would be chased and hunted by bounty hunters, and justice officers, and he chooses to defend himself by killing them, not choose to prove himself innocent so that they won't come at him anymore.
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He claims himself to be pirate, he chooses to put himself outside the law. Can he blame those bounty hunters for wanting to kill him? You think he would say: "Hey, I don't do anything wrong, I don't kill anyone innocent, so why are you coming at me to take my head?"? He won't say that. To make them his opponents is his own decision. To make the law his opponent is his decision. Ever since he decide to be an outlaw, he must have known that he would be chased and hunted by bounty hunters, ot justice officers, and he chooses to defend himself by killing them.
So, if I say I'm a criminal, even if I've never done anything wrong in my life, that gives people the rights to kill me? Imprison me? Torture me? Do it all against any other person that's my close friend or associate?
Okay, then.
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So, if I say I'm a criminal, even if I've never done anything wrong in my life, that gives people the rights to kill me? Imprison me? Torture me? Do it all against any other person that's my close friend or associate?
Okay, then.
Yes, if you don't want people to do that to you, you must tell them you are innocent, that you don't commit any crime.
And, how irony, a pirate tells the marine officer that he doesn't do anything wrong, but claim himself to be a criminal. A criminal is one who commits crime. You claim yourself to be a criminal to stranger, then that stranger, who know nothing about you, must think that you did commit crime, and will want to kill you. And you are not even trying to say you are not criminal to stop him from coming at you.
Zoro challenges those bounty hunters.
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That's some disturbing logic you have there. What's your point anyway?
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So, if I say I'm a criminal, even if I've never done anything wrong in my life, that gives people the rights to kill me? Imprison me? Torture me? Do it all against any other person that's my close friend or associate?
Okay, then.
so your saying that you want all marines/bounty hunters to spend weeks to get to know people who have bounties on their heads to find out if they are good and upstanding citizen first. Watch to see if he commits a crime or kills anyone before you make a move.
We know the strawhats and have seen what they have all done. Let's take Trafalger Law for example. He seems similar to Zoro. Both are konwn by peopel who don't know them as ruthless killers and scary bastards.
Now your a bounty hunter or marine in the one piece world. You see Law's ship or him on an island. You have what you believe the forces to take him on. What do you do? Do you wait and watch to see if he is what you believe as BAD, while missing your chance to take him out in that instant, or do you take him out now.
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so your saying that you want all marines/bounty hunters to spend weeks to get to know people who have bounties on their heads to find out if they are good and upstanding citizen first. Watch to see if he commits a crime or kills anyone before you make a move.
We know the strawhats and have seen what they have all done. Let's take Trafalger Law for example. He seems similar to Zoro. Both are konwn by peopel who don't know them as ruthless killers and scary bastards.
Now your a bounty hunter or marine in the one piece world. You see Law's ship or him on an island. You have what you believe the forces to take him on. What do you do? Do you wait and watch to see if he is what you believe as BAD, while missing your chance to take him out in that instant, or do you take him out now.
They may believe whatever they will. They may be really thinking I'm a pretty evil bastard. But I would not be a evil bastard for defending myself.
This has gone so far off-topic I don't know what you're trying to prove at all. Are you trying to say Zoro is evil? Or that Akainu is good? I don't know what this discussion has to do with the topic anymore.
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They may believe whatever they will. They may be really thinking I'm a pretty evil bastard. But I would not be a evil bastard for defending myself.
This has gone so far off-topic I don't know what you're trying to prove at all. Are you trying to say Zoro is evil? Or that Akainu is good? I don't know what this discussion has to do with the topic anymore.
no i'm not trying to say who is evil or not.
but you were making it sound like the bounty hunters were in the wrong. Zoro was a pirate, thats all they needed to know, he is a criminal. Doesn't matter if he is mother teresa, he is still a traitor/criminal or whateve ryou want to say.
Its like say revolutionary war. The united states were the bad guys. does it matter why the revolted or became as zoro did a pirate. Doesn' tmatter how corrupt one may say a government is, or that zoro just wanted freedom to do whatever. He is the enemy. The bounty hunters were completely in their right to attack him.
Now him defending himself, is that evil? no, any man no matter how evil has the right to self-preservation. But Zoro is the bad guy in this world. if he was beat he can be rightfully sent to impel down and get all the punishment they shove at him. Him being killed by the bounty hunters is just, or whatever happens.
Aikanu is not evil by following justice, he is evil by his method of doing it. yes that boat could have had say a terrorist on it, but that doesn't mean you shoudl kill everyone on it. Quarintine the ship and find out each and every person in depth to see who is what. lock up and dishonorable disharge marines who deserted in the war. is he pure evil? no, he doesn't go out to do evil deeds. He is just ruthless and odesn't care forlives. Lets say there is in a typical movie a hostage situation. Aikanu would just blow up the entire building and be done with it. He doesn't go out of his way to kill innnocents for no reason, but he has no regard for innocent lives in situations
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That's some disturbing logic you have there. What's your point anyway?
You are living in the real world. If you claim yourself to be a pirate, but commit no crime, everyone will just laugh at you and call you a dumbass, a child playing pirate. In OP world, you claim yourself to be a pirate, that means you make the law your opponent. The reason Luffy has a bounty on his head by that time is because of Nezumi, even if he does nothing wrong. But, yeah, Luffy is happy with that bounty. Well, let's assume it's your case, in this real world, you are innocent, but framed, and you have a bounty. What will you do? Of course, you will try to prove yourself innocent, prove that those who want to kill you is wrong (by some sense), and avoid the fighting/killing as much as possible. Another case is, your goverment is bad, you want to overthrow it, so you have a bounty. And you kill those who want to take your head, or persuad them that what they are doing is wrong. But you must know that in the end if you win, the law is in your side.
In Zoro's case, he never claims himself to be innocent. He never wants to be protected by the law. He never claims that what those bounty hunters do (come at him to kill him) is wrong. He just fights them, and end up killing them. He doesn't justify his action. Why are you doing that for him?
Zoro challenges those bounty hunter, he wants a fight. He has many choices to protect his nakama without fighting those bounty hunters, but he chooses to fight them, and ends up killing them, and has no regret. By doing that, he becomes a true criminal.
Aikanu is not evil by following justice, he is evil by his method of doing it. yes that boat could have had say a terrorist on it, but that doesn't mean you shoudl kill everyone on it. Quarintine the ship and find out each and every person in depth to see who is what. lock up and dishonorable disharge marines who deserted in the war. is he pure evil? no, he doesn't go out to do evil deeds. He is just ruthless and odesn't care for lives. Lets say there is in a typical movie a hostage situation. Aikanu would just blow up the entire building and be done with it. He doesn't go out of his way to kill innnocents for no reason, but he has no regard for innocent lives in situations
That's very close to my point. Pretty much.
We are talking about the motive to kill people here. Zoro kill a lot, and his motive is somehow selfish, and not really good, but he isn't considered evil, because his motive does contain some aspects of humanity, so we have to consider the motive a standard to rank who is more evil, more despicable.
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He was the one who stayed back at the Execution platform while the other two were running out there while there was #noone left to protect that place#.
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He was the one who thought up that brilliant scheme with squardo. Seriously, cudos to Aka Inu.
As someone mentioned here, it was Sengoku (he's the true tactical genius of the Marines) who made that plan
He was the one who stopped ace by playing his own pride and stupidity against him.
This is debatable and my view may be controversial, but I didn't see Akainu as a genius playing on Ace's weakness, I saw a Hannyabal letting his emotions come out, and, by lucky chance, managing to affect Ace
Akainu is awesome, but his intelligence is overrated, IMHO
And the most despicable villain is Arlong, with Spandam as a close second.
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Glad to see this topic has become a "force your moral view on others" thread. I didn't give a shit at all to talk about the topic, anyway.
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Nobody in this world or in OP truly believes him/herself is "evil" they all have their own reasons to justify their actions and in OP its all about following your own dreams (pirates) or your own justice (marines). People like the Tenryuubito are the results of a society that claims them to be elite and untouchable so they cannot be at fault for their "cruel" attitudes toward people. Akainu represents the Justice in the world and as dicky (and badass) as he may seem, to him, the Marines, and most of the world he is taking out the trash. It all depends on what your own set of ethics and morals tell you whats right and whats wrong; to some people your sense of justice may seem to soft or to harsh…
That being said.....the Tenryuubito are just dicks so vote for them XD
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I say Aizen. He was the one who actually had Buggy, Kuro, Don Krieg, Arlong, Wapol, Crocodile, Eneru, Foxy, Rob Lucci (and the CP9), Gecko Moria, and even others such as Bellamy and Captain Morgan antagonize Luffy. You know what, they were never evil. Arlong is one of his worse victims. He was originally a very kind fishman, with a very big heart. He would never shoot Bellemere right in front of Nami and Nojiko. In fact, he would give Bellemere more money so that she can help her give her kids a better future. I also feel bad for his 3 main minions. Aizen used his bankai to make them look heartless, especially Kuroobi. Glad that Nami was able to tell that Hatchan was a kind fishman. To bad Arlong, Chew, and Kuroobi will look like bad guys. Hell, the marines are not even evil. That's Aizen's bankai doing that.
The only good thing he did was give Luffy the stuff he needs to survive. He did planned having Shanks steal the Gum Gum fruit, knowing that Luffy was going to eat it. Hell he even had Shanks come to Luffy's village. He had all these bad stuff happen to people because he knows they'll become supporting characters. Nami, Robin, Brooke, and Chopper were some of his most unlucky victims.
One of the worst things Aizen has done in One Piece is have it dubbed by 4kids Entertainment. His plan was to have people be introduced to a bastardization of it, that way when 4kids drops it for having horrible sales and a new company picks it up and dubs it, alot of people will not watch it. His plan on having people say "isn't One Piece about rapping pirates?" was a success. He even wanted people who liked the 4kids dub to be turn off by the FUNimation dub because of the voice changes. Yes, he was able to delude people to think that the voices are wonderful.
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Tenryubito are baddesest guys cause theyre like the fat american raappers!
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Tenryubito are baddesest guys cause theyre like the fat american raappers!
Are you saying "rappers" or "rapers" which I believe would be grammatically incorrect as it would be "rapists"? I'm not in the loop of things but I'd like to see these fat american rappers if you could kindly point me in their direction.
But then again you might just be stereotyping americans. If you were stereotyping a specific sub-category of americans then… that's just silly. There are plenty of horrible people in the world. Just call the Tenryuubito a bunch of assholes and call it a day.
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Bellamy hands down.
I hated him but that is what made him a great villain.
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I think Blackbeard is gradually going to get more and more evil every time we see him, so I voted for him. Tenryubito and Arlong are pretty bad, but it's a detatchment from reality and the experience of cruelty that explains them.
Akainu is just a prickless dog to Justice, really. If Sengoku pointed at Aokiji and told Akainu to kill him because he's not a man of Justice, he'd do it without a second thought, like he's been trained to do.
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The Tenryuubito and the king from Noland's flashback are the only villains to disgust me (well, Hancock disgusted me, but I can see how she couldn't be considered a villain).
Almost every other villain has a 'do what I want' attitude, but the Tenryuubito and the king are like stupid evil. Like 'WAHHH I'M THE BEST AND YOU CAN'T SAY OTHERWISE' evil.
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I think the answer is Foxy. He's a pirate, he's never lost, and he freaking forces people to fight in unfair matches…
Plus, he shoots horses.
Arlong isn't a bad villain since he has his morals and he wants to fight fair.
Lastly, the only other villain is Blackbeard, but he's a good guy since he worked with the "good guys"... So, Foxy is the only evil one on that list.
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Arlong isn't a bad villain since he has his morals and he wants to fight fair.
Though he may have morals such as getting pissed off because someone hurt his men. But he still is bad, because he shot a woman right in front of her two step daughters.
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I'd shay da tenryuubito is most diablolical. Luffy should be hailed as a hero for punching charloss lights out, but he just got more infamous. I look forward to luffy punching more tenryuubito's lights out Luffy should be nicknamed mr sandman LOL
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Arlong was one of the few villains that truly cared about his Crewmates and his hate for humans was more or less justified because of the abuse fishmen take
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I voted for the Tenryuubito because how they act so mean to others, but are so weak in terms of fighting or defending themselves.
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Arlong was one of the few villains that truly cared about his Crewmates and his hate for humans was more or less justified because of the abuse fishmen take
not really he was a chicken… he went to the weakest sea to control an island of human who had no nothing to do with fishmen anguish. He should have went to the grandline to fight the tenryuubito but his crew was afraid of the world government and other pirates their. arlong got what he deserved, infact luffy should have ripped his head off. hachi was right in the sense in admitting his hypocracy when suggesting to nami, he got what he deserved for his abuse of humans. Although I think arlong was a loose cannon since jinbei, said in the anime he was greatful to luffy for defeating arlong
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The Tenryuubito are by far the most despicable villains in the series, way more evil than Akainu and way more sadistic than even Spandam. At least those two have operating brains and though narrow-minded as hell, they could still be reasoned with, at least to SOME extent. And they kill people only when it would benefit their X plan, the Tenyruubito kill (or worse, torture) people just to be amused. Plus, I don't think any of the others in the list would have fun by putting a mermaid in a fish tank full of piranhas. Personally, they make me wish for a "Tenryuubito Massacre" mini-arc as soon as it could happen. Still, I voted for Arlong because of my personal liking for Nojiko and the fact that he pretty much ruined her entire childhood.
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Tenryuubito probably win this hands down simply because they're behind pretty much everything that is screwed up in the story, Spandam and Arlong are pretty much tied for second. Child abuse is about as bad as it gets. Rounding it out is Blackbeard. I don't know how anyone could go through the Impel Down arc and not think Blackbeard was the biggest pile of garbage after he faced Whitebeard and ended up cowering behind his crew like that. Kind of thought Blackbeard was a cool character at one time, but that fight pretty much exposed him for being Spandam with super powers.
I actually liked a lot of the other villains so far, though. Oda does a real good job of bringing out character depth in his villains. Actually liked Bellamy. That guy acted more like what you'd expect a pirate to act like than just about any other character in the whole storyline. Same goes for most of the top numbered agents in Baroque Works, and even Crocodile himself. CP9 were just goons of the Tenryuubito and the Marines. Nothing cool about that. Same goes for Kizaru and Akainu. Can't help but like Ao Kiji a little bit, though…Oda actually added a little depth to his character. Kizaru and Akainu are just one dimensional attack dogs.
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Tenryuubito probably win this hands down simply because they're behind pretty much everything that is screwed up in the story, Spandam and Arlong are pretty much tied for second. Child abuse is about as bad as it gets. Rounding it out is Blackbeard. I don't know how anyone could go through the Impel Down arc and not think Blackbeard was the biggest pile of garbage after he faced Whitebeard and ended up cowering behind his crew like that. Kind of thought Blackbeard was a cool character at one time, but that fight pretty much exposed him for being Spandam with super powers.
I actually liked a lot of the other villains so far, though. Oda does a real good job of bringing out character depth in his villains. Actually liked Bellamy. That guy acted more like what you'd expect a pirate to act like than just about any other character in the whole storyline. Same goes for most of the top numbered agents in Baroque Works, and even Crocodile himself. CP9 were just goons of the Tenryuubito and the Marines. Nothing cool about that. Same goes for Kizaru and Akainu. Can't help but like Ao Kiji a little bit, though…Oda actually added a little depth to his character. Kizaru and Akainu are just one dimensional attack dogs.
akainu is pretty troubled in the head, he's close in sadistic to the tenryuubito. He even kills his own allies and gets away with it because he's so high up. I dont like aokige; although he's more reasonable than the other; he's just a pile of garbage like the rest. He's the psycho that gave spanda the buster call den den mushi. That pisses me off because aokige knew very well what kind of person spanda's father was. The only marine that I actually like is coby and smoker. both of them have a proper sense of justice and have called the hypocracy in the WG ways of hiding the truth or telling half truths. Even garp i dislike because he is the same as sengoku, cuz unlike smoker, he cares more about his pride and position as a marine than following his own justice and this latest chapters is perfect example of this
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There are people who just take their jobs little too seriously.
Akainu is messed up because he is ready to do just about everything to protect civilians, doesn't make him more evil than say, Eneru or Croc.
Most evil people are those who kill 'just because'.
Akainu, for example, has always some reason to kill shitload of people. His reasons usually are pretty stupid though. -
Akainu has yet to truly do something truly evil
The closest he got to evil was killing all those scholars, but I assume he doesn't know that the scholars are trying to find the truth about the world -
@Doggggggiestyle:
Akainu is messed up because he is ready to do just about everything to protect civilians, doesn't make him more evil than say, Eneru or Croc.
Actually, I interpret Akainu as not giving half a damn about the civilians, only his JUSTICE.
@SGRaaize:Akainu has yet to truly do something truly evil
The closest he got to evil was killing all those scholars, but I assume he doesn't know that the scholars are trying to find the truth about the worldI doubt he would care even if he did know. He'd still blow up that boat of civilians and go ahead with the Buster Call just as his orders say to.
Remember, "Red Attack Dog".
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Actually, I interpret Akainu as not giving half a damn about the civilians, only his JUSTICE.
which pretty much means protecting civilians when you think about it