Yeah, the organizing of this arc was great at the beginning, but they started to screw it from 480.
We will get it soon, probably today or tomorrow.
Really?!
Coz I think the beginning was kinda bad with the bad directing (except for Yokoyama which has good directing) and for a Nakatani episode, Whitebeard's sea quake was kinda bad….
unless what you referring was when the war finally started where I think was the good part...
Still nothing at Anime Newtype. Unless there's something at 2ch, there's no news about the next AD list yet. :sad:
You right, a good example to rembember is Ennies Lobby's final episodes.
Ishizuka, Tate and Inoue… (309,311,312.. if I'm not wrong) I think those could be the better final chapters sequences so far, and demostrate Toei can do the things quite much better, that what has been doing...
I think Toei put all the budget in Hisada and Inoue (altought was very poor to him), and nothing in Yokoyama and Ishizuka episodes.
i was gonna make its own thread, but i really am missing the ols animation styles. The styles of episodes such as 231 and 236 i say are MUCH better than the new stuff we are recieving including enies lobby and marineford
Okay, I can accept that.
Personally on the issue of 485 did you have high expectations before or after it was announced that Yokoyama was the AD for the episode. By this point we all realized that 1 Chapter = 1 episode so it was easy to guess which would fall under his animation. My personal opinion is that so many people were predicting doom before this episode came out that while the final product was slightly underwhelming (comparing it to the impact Ace's death) but far from below average. For Yokoyama, in particular, this episode actually shown major strides in his improvement as an AD. Overall what I'm saying is I accepted the choice Toei made. I do believe they could have used a stronger AD, as well as a better episode director for the episode. But the end result turned out pretty fairly, to me.
Once again, just personal opinion, no one has to agree with it.
O-chan
Actually, both. Before, I was expecting Masayuki Sato(Movie 10) to do it or 483….It started becuase of the WB pic I saw at the end of credits of M10. lol
Anyway, after it was revealed it was Yokoyama, I still expected to see some amazing and satisfying key animation for the main parts, like 405, 450. But they didn't even use the main key animator of this arc (Shida), instead they used him on the New Precure first ep and the opening. Right after 485. You see where my nerd rage is coming from?
Although, I have to agree. I did like Yokoyama's performance, and it showed a lot of improvement. But that's because he got different and better key animators than his usual staff.
Yeah, even directing was pretty bad. Good directing can make a badly animated episode feel good. Like episode 479, that was the worst animated episode of the arc, it had only one jap animator which was shimanuki. But the episode directing was so good (As expected from Makoto Sonoda) that it was enjoyable to watch for an eventless chapter and it was nicely paced.
Really?!
Coz I think the beginning was kinda bad with the bad directing (except for Yokoyama which has good directing) and for a Nakatani episode, Whitebeard's sea quake was kinda bad….
unless what you referring was when the war finally started where I think was the good part...
Well, to me it was a very good start, that even made me think the breaks they took and the flashbacks episodes before the arc was to prepare for something epic at the end.
This is my personal opinion of the whole arc so far…
! Great Episodes(5/5):
464 [Great directing, pacing, filler, and art. Animation was overall okay]
467 [Amazing episode, nicely fillerised & directed, and it had awesome ending]
468 [Another amazing episode, with great directing and Great Art/Animation]
472 [While the episode didn't have much content, the quality of the art was the best I have seen from Nakatani and in this arc, As good as the manga]
473 [Great episode, with nice action scenes, nicely directed as well]
474 [While the pacing was bad and filler was boring, Shida owned the episode, final scene gave me goosebumps]
483 [Amazing directing, and great Art/Animation]
! Good Episodes(4/5):
459 [Great Directing, and nice introductions, and good art from Yokoyama]
461 [Nicely done fast paced flashback, but bad cliffhanger, Good Art/Animation]
463 [Good episode, nice action scenes, Shida owned the ep, Good Art/Animation]
465 [Well handled chapter, good Art/Animation]
471 [Nice episode, Nice directing, and good Animated parts]
476 [Nice episode with good action, and nice Art/Animation]
477 [Good episode, main scenes were done nicely Good Art with awesome Animation in some scenes]
478 [Good episode, main WB scene was Epic, Good Art and nice Animation in some scenes]
481 [Nice episode, good directing and nice action, Good Art/Animation]
484 [Good episode, main fight was good]
486 [Nice episode, Great art/Animation]
! Average Episodes(3/5):
460 [Decent flashback episode, but bad cliffhanger, Average Art/Animation]
466 [Good Directing, Bad art/Animation]
475 [Good directing, Average Art/Animation]
479 [Worst animated ep of the arc, but the good directing made up for it]
! Bad Episodes(2/5):
462 [Horrible pacing, only reason it's not shit is because of Nakatani's great scene (WB Pirates attack), the rest had decent Art/Animation]
469 [Horrible episode, from pacing to art and animation. Only redeeming thing was Crocodile's scene which saved it from being shit]
470 [Extremely bad directing, and overall horrible animation style. Luffy Vs. Mihawk was butchered]
480 [Other than the great final scene, this ep was crap from every point]
482 [Another bad episode, with 2 great scenes from Nakatani that saved it from being shit. They butchered Very Imp final scene with bad execution]
485 [Meh directing, average Art/Animation, they ruined main chapter]
! Shit Episodes(1/5):
Nothing so far reached this level.
@Sean:
Still nothing at Anime Newtype. Unless there's something at 2ch, there's no news about the next AD list yet.
Does it really matter anymore, main stuff are done anyway. BTW, it appears at Newtype on the 10th. It gets leaked early on 2chan, if people are interested or excited about it.
You right, a good example to rembember is Ennies Lobby's final episodes.
Ishizuka, Tate and Inoue… (309,311,312.. if I'm not wrong) I think those could be the better final chapters sequences so far, and demostrate Toei can do the things quite much better, that what has been doing...I think Toei put all the budget in Hisada and Inoue (altought was very poor to him), and nothing in Yokoyama and Ishizuka episodes.
While that might be a good example, except the other episodes in between, before and after looked like shit.
I haven't seen an episode in this arc that had very high budget like some of the latest Tate episodes. Even Inoue, Hisada, and Ishizuka had normal budget.
Actually, both. Before, I was expecting Masayuki Sato(Movie 10) to do it or 483….It started becuase of the WB pic I saw at the end of credits of M10. lol
What's Masayuki Sato doing now?
Anyway, after it was revealed it was Yokoyama, I still expected to see some amazing and satisfying key animation for the main parts, like 405, 450. But they didn't even use the main key animator of this arc (Shida), instead they used him on the New Precure first ep and the opening. Right after 485. You see where my nerd rage is coming from?
so, the reason we didn't get Shida for that episode is because of PreCure?
Ffffffff
Although, I have to agree. I did like Yokoyama's performance, and it showed a lot of improvement. But that's because he got different and better key animators than his usual staff.
Well, that's a good thing…
He's been working for One Piece from the start right?
At least if he continue to work on One Piece, we won't see much bad animation...
I haven't seen an episode in this arc that had very high budget like some of the latest Tate episodes. Even Inoue, Hisada, and Ishizuka had normal budget.
I've noticed that myself. There is still time, but not much.
And speaking of Tate, I'm guessing the next time we'll see one of his episodes is for the conclusion of the Robin and Usopp backstories
487 - Takeo Ide
488 - Shigefumi Shingaki
break on 2/27
489 - Atsuko Kawamura
Looks like it.
Okay, I was right on my guess that next episode will be Ide.
489 should be the end of the arc (or at least the end of the fighting), shouldn't it?
Oh snap, Ide? Epic.
. Can't wait.She/Her
Wow Ide returns, that why was getting really hard to identify next director on the preview…
487.- Takeo Ide - ¿Takeshi Tanaka?
488.- Shigefumi Shingaki - Yoshihiro Ueda :notrust
(break)
489.- Atsuko Kawamura - ¿Yukata Nakashima?
Plz, corroborate the Ep.directors...
Nice to see Ide back, but sadly Tate finally wasn't in MF.
Shingaki for chapter 579? Hum, I don't know what to expect from this.
What's Masayuki Sato doing now?
Don't know, but probably working on something big like a movie or something.
He's been working for One Piece from the start right?
Yep, you would expect him to improve over time, but he didn't change much.
@Yuugi's:
Oh snap, Ide? Epic.
. Can't wait.
His performance on One Piece is average. Don't raise your hopes.
It's good to see Ide is back, but the preview looks average.
Shingaki for chapter 579? Hum, I don't know what to expect from this.
Expect good art, it was clear that he would do 579.
His performance on One Piece is average. Don't raise your hopes.
It's good to see Ide is back, but the preview looks average.
Indeed, Ide's work on One Piece isn't necessarily the best in the world, but it's certainly manageable. It's pretty nice to see him returning next episode, though.
Does anyone know the Key animator who worked on FMA brotherhood, particularly on Wrath (King Bradley) fights? I know somebody mentioned his name in this thread, but I can't find it.
There are many animators who did the Bradely fights, but I'm sure you are talking about Yoshimichi Kameda. One of the best young animators. He turned out to be a freelancer, but I doubt we would see him working on One Piece.
There are many animators who did the Bradely fights, but I'm sure you are talking about Yoshimichi Kameda. One of the best young animators. He turned out to be a freelancer, but I doubt we would see him working on One Piece.
If Toei stop being cheap, maybe he will…:ninja:
A thought occured to me: what are the odds Toei's got their good animators working on a movie? Other than this upcoming 3D film, that is?
She/Her
@Yuugi's:
A thought occured to me: what are the odds Toei's got their good animators working on a movie? Other than this upcoming 3D film, that is?
With nothing really confirmed as "in the works" and everyone still recovering from the Strong World hangover not bloody likely.
I think Toei is probably gearing up for the post-Marineford episodes and there will probably some announcement around the time the war ends. It will be a good moment to reboot the series and prepare all the promotional material for it.
O-chan
Other than Tate, every good Toei animator are working on other shows. Like Shida, Umakoshi, Hayashi on Precure, Tomita on Digimon, Ishigami on Naruto. etc…
I think that Tate is working on the new Toriko show. Since I think Toei will give it a good start.
I also think that Toei are working on the next One Piece movie since 2010 and the 3D movie is just a distraction from the real work. Since Oda told them that he prefers the One Piece movies to be 2 years a part for better production values.
Thanks, XMURADX. Do you know if Yoshimichi Kameda was the one who worked on episode 45, Wrath vs Greed?
About the TOEI animators you've mentioned, if that's true…who is left for
! Shanks entry?
Nakatani, maybe?
@Sean:
Thanks, XMURADX. Do you know if Yoshimichi Kameda was the one who worked on episode 45, Wrath vs Greed?
About the TOEI animators you've mentioned, if that's true…who is left for
! Shanks entry?
Nakatani, maybe?
Yep. I had a MAD for him, but it got removed. I'll re-upload it soon enough. I'm just waiting for the last batch of Bluerays. Since his scenes have a lot of ghosting effect, like Shida scenes.
Maybe, or…Maybe Shida, since he only does small scenes in One Piece, and since he is an inhouse animator, so it's easy for him to be involved on many different Toei shows at the same time.
Or Maybe it will be a normal scene. I mean, they didn't give a fuck about the last few episodes, it gives me little hope that they care anymore.
Please, share with us the Yoshimichi Kameda MAD video, as soon as possible. I'd love to see that.
How awesome would be to have him doing a scene on One Piece, only one. I know it's almost impossible, though.
Here is an old Yoshimichi Kameda MAD
Here is an old Yoshimichi Kameda MAD
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Watching Ishizuka latest Marineford episodes, his art's starting to remind me of Tate's and that type of style a bit, since all the lines he usually uses are starting to get a lot less straight and jagged and more loose and squiggly (very obvious when you look at muscular characters like Whitebeard). The result can be a bit ugly-looking at times, but it's always neat to follow an artist's changing style.
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Watching Ishizuka latest Marineford episodes, his art's starting to remind me of Tate's and that type of style a bit, since all the lines he usually uses are starting to get a lot less straight and jagged and more loose and squiggly (very obvious when you look at muscular characters like Whitebeard). The result can be a bit ugly-looking at times, but it's always neat to follow an artist's changing style.
Good observation. Watching his last episode i caught myself thinking "is this really Ishizuka?" right at the beginning - the 'reactions around the world' and Sabaody scenes looked fairly different from his usual, old style.
That have something to do with style of the key animator of that beginning scene. Ishizuka is still Ishizuka, he is just correcting the art. If it was Shida key animating the scene, then it will definitely not look like Ishizuka.
Reminds me when some guys used to say that some Tate scenes looks detailed like Inoue, and it happens to be a scene for Shida or Tomita in his episodes.
I've heard Hironori Tanaka worked on Bleach 309. I'm so jealous. =(
TOEI you fucking cheap!
I think not obsessing over what other (inferior) series do would go a long way towards not ruining this one for yourselves…
It doesn't ruin for me, I think One Piece is doing just fine, better than I expected. Although I'd love to see these animators working on One Piece. That's all. =D
That have something to do with style of the key animator of that beginning scene. Ishizuka is still Ishizuka, he is just correcting the art. If it was Shida key animating the scene, then it will definitely not look like Ishizuka.
Reminds me when some guys used to say that some Tate scenes looks detailed like Inoue, and it happens to be a scene for Shida or Tomita in his episodes.
Uh, it wasn't just the beginning though. His trademark angular style looked much less noticeable than usual.
Since we like to talk about other series here, did anyone watch Beelzebub 6? I can't remember the last time i watched an anime episode with such ATROCIOUS art all the way through. Seriously, one needs to see to believe it.
Hm, it did indeed look sloppy, but I wasn't fazed too much because I've seen even worse in my day.
@Sean:
I've heard Hironori Tanaka worked on Bleach 309. I'm so jealous. =(
TOEI you fucking cheap!
Another Hironori Tanaka MAD
Another Hironori Tanaka MAD
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Gotta admit, that one scene from Bleach looked like it came straight from a movie (I know it's the TV series because of the specific event) and I think I'm beginning to get why people on this board are getting sick of Toei when you have scenes like THAT for SJ anime's that have less superior writing.
O-chan
Yeah, those Fullmetal Alchemist clips look OVA level, if not film level. It's such a shame Toei doesn't spring for those level of animators anymore.
Another Hironori Tanaka MAD
Tanka work in Toei? Naruto, Bleach, FMA, get his work on the series and only One Piece on a movie.
Beside One Piece Movie #09 and the Precure series , he did some work in episode#307 of One Piece and One Piece Movie#08. Speaking of Shounen Jump movies Tanka did the storyboard and Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra in Bleach: Hell Verse movie
But it is a shame that Toei don't treat One Piece well as Precure series
I guess XMURADX will be pretty pissed off after seeing how TOEI handled Shanks entrance. LOL!
@Sean:
I guess XMURADX will be pretty pissed off after seeing how TOEI handled Shanks entrance. LOL!
Not only him, quite more people too…
How can Toei make Shanks's entrances so damn "un-epic"?, Shanks didn't appear since long years ago, and he should deserved a matchless enter to scene…. :sad:
Should have been just like Kizaru's entrance, I guess...
And according with all the past arcs, their last scenes were always good treated, why this not?
Considering M.F could be the end of the first OP cicle, and one of the most important arcs so far, at least on the paper.
Yeah... I'm still wondering how, why... (Budget?... ahha don't make me laught.)
It's weird how it seems like so few of their top level animators are being used. By the time the Cell arc came around Dragon Ball Z's animation was always top-notch, save for episodes supervised by Uchiyama Masayuki (he was also one of two credited key animators on his episodes). By contrast, Maeda Minoru (chief animator for the series) would do an episode and have several of the top animators on his team. Episode #164 has Ide Takeo, Nakatsuru Katsuyoshi, Miyahara Naoki, and Shida Naotoshi as key animators (amongst a few others). Episode #179 had Studio Cockpit's Masunaga Keisuke supervising and key animating. #180 is supervised by Shimanuki Mashiro with key animation by Takeuchi Tomeyoshi, Kuda Kazuya, and Tate Naoki.
It's certainly not without precedent for Toei to go all-out with their episodes. That things have gotten to this point with One Piece is a bit disheartening.
She/Her
Toei is gaining lots of profits while using a minimum budget…
