Arlong + Shilieuw + Blackbeard + michael jackson = Hodi Jones
Chapter 611:"Hodi Jones" Discussion
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Yeah, regarding how 'strong' or 'weak' the New Fishman Pirates turn out to be, we've already seen that swordsman octopus underling block a Jet Pistol without breaking a sweat - and if Luffy didn't happen to have magic poison resistance to everything (sweet! Thanks Ivankov!) he'd be dead by coming into contact.
I figure the NFP crew can take our heroes (especially those outside the Monster Trio) to the brink if they're drugged up, seeing as a lieutenant can block a non-trivial shot from the Strawhats' main nuke. I really hope we get an updated version of Usopp's "Fire! - OMG RUN - Fire!" strategy.
Let me just say - I'd really like to see a Crew Meeting at some point soon where they lay out where they are, where they're going, what immediate goals they have, etc. For example - do they feel like they need to fix every problem on the Grand Line? Assumably a lot of them, but Robin now knows a lot of bad WG stuff if she's been hanging with the Revolutionaries for 2 years - any interest in that? Shall revenge against Akainu et. al be a priority? An 'if we get a chance'? A non-concern? I just feel like they've been running to get here so long that arriving is a good time to stop for a second and work out what EXACTLY they intend to do re: the New World.
The fact that he did that is a hint he isn't simply an underling. Being the only Merman in the group is another indication Hyozo may have a more significant role than underling. He could simply be stronger than his seemingly low rank implies. Not gonna surprise me if he turns out to be the only one who doesn't use the pills and blocked Jet Pistol using Haki.
There boss needed to be drugged up to destroy a ship. He'd be very injured from gunfire and probably would have had issues dealing with the captain if it weren't for them. All the SH at this point look like they could easily do things as impressive as Hodi himself. Robin looks like she can mimic Gear 3, Nami can likely cause huge thunderstorms now since she nuked a bar without us seeing her do anything, Ussop stopped a giant avalanche without using Kabuto, Zoro wanted to deal with that problem, Sanji and Luffy strength is monstrous now, we haven't see Chopper Hybrid form for a reason, Franky has all sorts of shit in store for us, and Oda is keeping Brookes new powers a big secret. The NFP will be the first opponents who push the SH but only after doping up so much they succumb to the effects before they force any SH to go all out.
They are pirates. Just like Shanks and WB weren't concerned with saving the world the SH will never go out of their way for total strangers. Only those they meet who specifically ask them for help or obviously need it. Revenge? Luffy will be pissed at Akainu when they meet but he isn't gonna seek him out. I thought they go where the log pose tells them? Only detours are those forced upon them.
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Crimin shark belongs to the royal side. Hmmm. Makes you think that Hyouzou is an agent as well.
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definitely get the feeling that hyouzou is the strongest nfp we've seen so far, and part of the 'black shadow' moving things around fishmen island - possibly a conspiracy with the king + hyouzou/others controlling hodi jones + nfp?
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Jones is damn cool, but I gotta give the slight edge to Arlong as best Fishman Pirate Captain based on the soul fact that Hodi has to rely on those "steroid pills", while Arlong used his brute merman strength to fight.
Dude I din't agree with you here, I'm quite sure Jones only used that pills to give those pirates a Living Nightmare, so they whould "spread the word" in absolute fear. if the case was to simply kill them or destroy their ship, he could do it even with his hands hancuffed (is that spelling right?) and no pill at all, as we expect any strong fishman/merman could when under the water.
Now, I tottaly agree that Arlong is from far the "best Fisman Pirate Captain" so far, and i doubt there will be a cooler one
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I really like the vibe oda put into this chapter. It's getting back into what One piece really is. It's like we're back in the east blue.
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Hodi Jones is taking those pills knowing it slowly kills him, so he must not be such a bad guy. He is ready to give his life for his cause, villains usually prefer others to die for them.
I still don't know how/why but it should be part of the reason why Luffy will destroy the island. -
Hodi Jones, the Bane to Luffy's Batman.
I wonder if Hodi takes enough pills will he break Luffy's spine aswell.
(If You never Read Batman; Knightfall, you probably won't get my comment, google it )
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I think Zoe is the firstmate, because he has 02 tattoo,, :happy: and he sits beside the boss coolly, while the others just standing around
Zoe is second after 1st leutnant Hyouzou… I bet he is Sanji's
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Hodi Jones is taking those pills knowing it slowly kills him, so he must not be such a bad guy. He is ready to give his life for his cause, villains usually prefer others to die for them.
I still don't know how/why but it should be part of the reason why Luffy will destroy the island.He's a good guy because he takes steroids to commit genocide?
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Hodi Jones has never said anything about killing all humans.
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Hodi Jones has never said anything about killing all humans.
Yes but that is because he wants to make them second class to Fishman trapped on Fishman island after he takes Fishman island from the King.
In other words he is going to turn the humans into slaves. -
Zoe is second after 1st leutnant Hyouzou… I bet he is Sanji's
wait, hyouzou is an assassin of NFP. he isnt a lieutnant.
for me he's even below Hammond (in position, not strength).
this group is New Fishman pirates afterall. I think it's hard for a merman like hyouzou (even he was so strong) to get a high position there.
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I'm not convinced that we'll have fishmen supremacists as villains again, especially with all the complex issues that have been brought up since the Arlong arc, even in the last few chapters.
The Straw Hats saving Hachi has already given Hammond pause for thought. I wouldn't be surprised to see Luffy and the Crew act int defense of the fishmen and merfolk again, to the point where Jones and his crew start to question their racism toward humans.
Then the real villain of this arc will be revealed. Someone who has been held back by the power fo Whitebeard's protection, and is now free to pursue his goal. Perhaps this person has been intorduced. Could be Vander Dekken or even Neptune, Big Mam or just someone yet unseen, or the one you least suspect (Pappug!) I can envision Luffy and Jones fighting alongside each other with a common goal, and Jones' prejudice slipping away as he sees Luffy's dedication toward saving his people and the island that's his home.
Wouldn't surprise me to see Neptune pull an Enel, he is 'God of the sea' after all, could he possibly be the 'God' Caribou kept mentioning? Perhaps he's another dude who let the power go to his head and needs to be humbled by our heroes.
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Not bad, basically a villain showcase chapter though it did feel a little rushed. Normally we get a little build up to the big bad, here he just sorta..appears, odd.
I can understand the danger they present though. As they said, Fishman are born strong and taking these pills up their strength. Considering how much trouble Arlong's crew gave the Straw Hats, this one gonna be a dozy. Love the designs too, very varied. Especially Zeo's.
The only thing I gotta complain about is Hordy's plan, he want to strike fear into humans and rule Fishman Island..and yet he taking pills that shorten his life. And most likely the crew are too. Yeah, I say they'd pretty much did themselves in before they even started. But then again it is Oda, so we'll see where this goes.
So let's recap: we got a crazy love stuck pirate floating around the island, a prediction of the island's destruction by Luffy's (or someone that looks like him) hands, a deranged logia user on the loose, and a possible _coup d'état by souped up fishman.
A little complicated but nothing we can't follow so far. Onward I say!_
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i wonder if the steroids that hodi jones is taking have the same consistency of the Rumble Balls.
Would chopper learn new ways from them to reduce the side effects of the rumble? Or will he have found ways already?
Hodi wasn't making them, but they found them it looks like it so probably there is an external force giving it to them, wonder who that is ?neptune, somebody who has ulterior motives? Interesting :)
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I get the theory that Hyouzou is a double agent 4 King Neptune somehow.
If he killed Luffy with his poison it could have been worse 4 him, if he worked 4 Neptune.
Hody wouldn't care so much if he killed them.
Hammond should have killed the SHs right after they refused to join the NFP.
So Hyouzou being an agent 4 Neptune makes sense IMO somehow.
That no NFP has a sun tattoo is explained simply:
If they were all slaves, they would carry the sun tattoo on their backs, cause the slaves have been marked the tenryuubito symbol on their backs so far, haven't they?
at least they got a sun with a crossed out decapitated human all on their bodies. Maybe thats the former sun tattoo (rather unlikely). -
Arlong could do the same without needing steroids and Arlong would be fodder for the current Stawhats
yeah he could smash a ship but I doubt arlong could destroy an entire "end-of-first-half-of-the-grand-line-crew" so easily.
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Again: Guys. Arlong IS strong. Really. His forte are physical attacks, so that puts him at a serious disadvantage against Luffy. But remember, he dealt with Sanji throwing water at him. He threw fucking water from his fucking hand at Sanji without even trying, and it was enough to deal with him.
Now, I know 2 years have passed, but does that mean that EVERYONE on FI is stronger than Arlong? That Arlong is now a lil' bitch? You think so? I think he could hold his own on his turf. Underwater he is pretty much overkill.Now, back to the present: These Fishmen Pirates could be NEAR Arlong strength. But again, Arlong was considered a very strong Fishman, not a fodder one. Jinbe was much stronger, but Jinbe seems to be the exception here. Hell, Hatchan is supposed to be the second strongest swordsman on FI!! I can be perfectly wrong, but these guys base strength could very well be near Arlong. Maybe a bit higher, maybe a bit lower. But you think Hodi will only swallow 4 pills when he engages in serious combat? I'm betting he'll take a dozen pills or more. The same goes for his liutenants.
Oh, and LOOOL at Lucci being Fodder now. Vice Admirals and Sichibukai all thought higly of him, so don0t take him lightly
How many years have passed since the beginning of OP? 2-3 years? You actually think the straw hat's are the only ones who have gotten stronger? It should be fairly obvious the new fishman pirates are ALOT stronger than Arlong and his crew..
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wait, hyouzou is an assassin of NFP. he isnt a lieutnant.
for me he's even below Hammond (in position, not strength).
this group is New Fishman pirates afterall. I think it's hard for a merman like hyouzou (even he was so strong) to get a high position there.
But he will fight Zoro
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also has anybody noticed the tattoes on hodi jones, he's got arlong's tattoo, and quite a few others, wondering what that means? where arlong and hodi all in the same crew before? and was jimbei their leader?
also hodi must be related to Davey Jones there.
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No but the second strongest
(once again) and between ryuuma and absalom, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in moria's crew? and between Hatchan and Kurobi, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in arlong's crew? and between Jango and Nyaban brothers which one do you think the 2nd strongest in Kuro's crew?
take another for example.. that pattern (zoro always fight the 2nd strongest) wasnt valid afterall.
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Ok to put it simple… Zoro fights the swordsmen^^
And btw Ryuuma impressed me more than Absalom, Jango hasn't done anything and was owned by Usopp and Hatchan and Kurobi were really close
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these new fishman pirates are fakes
wait for the real deal with jinbei
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(once again) and between ryuuma and absalom, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in moria's crew? and between Hatchan and Kurobi, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in arlong's crew? and between Jango and Nyaban brothers which one do you think the 2nd strongest in Kuro's crew?
take another for example.. that pattern (zoro always fight the 2nd strongest) wasnt valid afterall.
Absalom stronger than Ryuuma? Are you serious?:blink::blink::blink:
and Hatchan is second strongest in Arlong crew.. -
(once again) and between ryuuma and absalom, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in moria's crew? and between Hatchan and Kurobi, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in arlong's crew? and between Jango and Nyaban brothers which one do you think the 2nd strongest in Kuro's crew?
take another for example.. that pattern (zoro always fight the 2nd strongest) wasnt valid afterall.
Ryuuma was clearly the second strongest. He gave a HELL of a fight to Zoro, yet Absalom wouldnt've been able to hurt Sanji without using Nami.
I thought Kurobi was probably stronger than Hatchan, but we didn't see a BIG difference in their performance for us to clearly judge them.
Nyaban bros. were MUCH stronger than Jango, of course.
So, yeah, except for MAYBE Kurobi being stronger than Hatchan (again, we don't know it for a fact), the rest of the times Zoro does fight the second strongest.
@Thatanas; I don't think the power levels stayed static for 2-3 years, of course. But Arlong was presented as an exceptional Fishman, and is revered by these guys as a hero.
I know there's a pretty high chance that these guys right now are above what Arlong was back then, but I don't think they'll dwarf Arlong's strength. Above, probably. REALLY above him? I doubt it. -
Hodi Jones has never said anything about killing all humans.
He said they will send all humans to the bottom of the sea. Isn't it a threat of killing them all ? And the NFP jolly roger seems tu corroborate this.
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(once again) and between ryuuma and absalom, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in moria's crew? and between Hatchan and Kurobi, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in arlong's crew? and between Jango and Nyaban brothers which one do you think the 2nd strongest in Kuro's crew?
take another for example.. that pattern (zoro always fight the 2nd strongest) wasnt valid afterall.
Even if Ryuuma and Absalom were equal in power you seem to forget that Zoro defended the crew against KUMA who is even stronger than Moriah.
This was in the same arc. -
-fun to see Criminal vs Doskoi Panda rivalry
-Hodi Jones is wearing a beret with a trident symbol, maybe he was once in the Neptune's army??
-lol at hammershark with hammer as weapon
-the theory that "candy factory" is actually "drug factory" become more and more plausible
-interesting to see that Oda keep introducing all sort of shark-variety powerful fishmen. Perhaps because sharks are perceived as strong and dangerous animal. (Jimbei is whale shark fishmen, which is considered the relatively gentle type of shark IRL) -
(once again) and between ryuuma and absalom, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in moria's crew? and between Hatchan and Kurobi, which one do you think the 2nd strongest in arlong's crew? and between Jango and Nyaban brothers which one do you think the 2nd strongest in Kuro's crew?
take another for example.. that pattern (zoro always fight the 2nd strongest) wasnt valid afterall.
I think we can all agree Ryuuma is stronger than Absalom.
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Even if Ryuuma and Absalom were equal in power you seem to forget that Zoro defended the crew against KUMA who is even stronger than Moriah.
This was in the same arc.yes i knew that. zoro always doing a BIG part every battles.
but I just wanna try to say, doing a BIG part doesnt mean He always fighting the second strongest opponent.
(I will not argue about Hatchan and the others, because we dont know exactly which one stronger than the other)
but Zoro figthed Mihawk while the 2nd strongest of Krieg's crew was GIN back there. see?? He didnt always fight the 2nd strongest, right?
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Hodi Jones was in Impel Down (Impel Down wolf scarf).
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Gonna have to join the club that thinks of Hodi's gang being potential allies (like Wiper/Shandians). We've learned quite a bit more about fishmen since Arlong, so it's not so black-and-white anymore.
They got their reasons to hate the humans, like the slavery, the crap with Fisher King, and possibly whatever happened to Arlong too. I mean, doubt Luffy killed Arlong, and Hachi escaped from some ship that was taking Arlong's crew to wherever… But we never saw any merfolk in Impel Down (other than Jimbei, I think?), so it's possible they all get instantly shipped off to slavery or meat grinders or whatever. I bet there'll be plenty of reasons to symphatize with Hodi before this is all said and done.
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Ryuuma was clearly the second strongest. He gave a HELL of a fight to Zoro, yet Absalom wouldnt've been able to hurt Sanji without using Nami.
I thought Kurobi was probably stronger than Hatchan, but we didn't see a BIG difference in their performance for us to clearly judge them.
Nyaban bros. were MUCH stronger than Jango, of course.
So, yeah, except for MAYBE Kurobi being stronger than Hatchan (again, we don't know it for a fact), the rest of the times Zoro does fight the second strongest.
@Thatanas; I don't think the power levels stayed static for 2-3 years, of course. But Arlong was presented as an exceptional Fishman, and is revered by these guys as a hero.
I know there's a pretty high chance that these guys right now are above what Arlong was back then, but I don't think they'll dwarf Arlong's strength. Above, probably. REALLY above him? I doubt it.Well, didn't Sanji fight Kuroobi in the water? Fishmen fight better while in the water, after all. Anyhow, I think Kuroobi is still stronger than Hatchan.
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I bet there'll be plenty of reasons to symphatize with Hodi before this is all said and done.
I guess they, Hodi and his crew, don't know that Luffy punched a world noble before at SA.
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I guess they, Hodi and his crew, don't know that Luffy punched a world noble before at SA.
It could be one of the reasons for they to join forces against someone that might be the villain.Hammond knows that accident. and he is NFP crew
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I guess they, Hodi and his crew, don't know that Luffy punched a world noble before at SA.
They do know of that… Hammond mentionned this in his pro and con list in chapter 607...
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Well, didn't Sanji fight Kuroobi in the water? Fishmen fight better while in the water, after all. Anyhow, I think Kuroobi is still stronger than Hatchan.
yes he did, he almost lost too. only way he won was because he took advantage of the gills. Also, Zoro still had his motherfucking hueg ass out-of-this-world injury. in terms of disadvantage, zoro and sanji both had the equal disadvantage. (with that said, zoro seem to almost have an injury before going into a major fight, so QQ zoro). particularly since we will never see them fight, and their level seems to be around the same, it would be like comparing a sharpshooter and a wrestler
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no, they are like shandians. and E.S are Like Reject dials.. and King Neptune is like Enel.. and hatchan, Pappug and Keimi are like Pagaya, Suu and Conis.. and.. and…:ninja: you know.... Im not serious
Actually this could be true.
Pappug and Keimi are like Conis and Pagaya, King Neptune is like Ganfall, there is fishmen and mermen, so one of those could be the shandians, and Fishmen Island is going to be destroyed like Angel Island (but in a different way)
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o and the leader that hammond reported to could be enel, with the ppl working under him being his enforcers.
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Again: Guys. Arlong IS strong. Really. His forte are physical attacks, so that puts him at a serious disadvantage against Luffy. But remember, he dealt with Sanji throwing water at him. He threw fucking water from his fucking hand at Sanji without even trying, and it was enough to deal with him.
Now, I know 2 years have passed, but does that mean that EVERYONE on FI is stronger than Arlong? That Arlong is now a lil' bitch? You think so? I think he could hold his own on his turf. Underwater he is pretty much overkill.Now, back to the present: These Fishmen Pirates could be NEAR Arlong strength. But again, Arlong was considered a very strong Fishman, not a fodder one. Jinbe was much stronger, but Jinbe seems to be the exception here. Hell, Hatchan is supposed to be the second strongest swordsman on FI!! I can be perfectly wrong, but these guys base strength could very well be near Arlong. Maybe a bit higher, maybe a bit lower. But you think Hodi will only swallow 4 pills when he engages in serious combat? I'm betting he'll take a dozen pills or more. The same goes for his liutenants.
Oh, and LOOOL at Lucci being Fodder now. Vice Admirals and Sichibukai all thought higly of him, so don0t take him lightly
Powerlevels discussion inside of this spoiler
! Arlong was fairly weak when compared to the Grand Line outside of the water, but it was fairly obvious he was a complete beast when inside the water.
I'm sure Hodi is stronger than Arlong, and with the drugs he has that make him twice as powerful, he's gonna be slightly above Lucci on power, in my estimate, I don't see him being a villain in the same category as Lucci, which was above Luffy's skill at the time of Enies Lobby and only got defeated due to Luffy's amazing heart to beat the shit out of him, I think this is gonna be more of a fight where we know Luffy can deal with Hodi, but he's gonna have some difficulties doing so, because of the drugs and being below water.I'm still not convinced that Hodi Jones will be the main villain. There's a lot of things that have been said in the last few chapters that will obviously make the situation more complex than "defeat fishmen supremacists p2." I'm not so sure about Decken either, since his introduction didn't seem intimidating enough to be such a powerful person and the main villain in the center of such a dark theme like racial subjugation and slavery which has been brought up constantly since Saobody. Pretty sure that there's some deeper story and villain behind all this, not to mention that it would really suck if we got Arlong2.
also I think you guys are seriously underestimating Arlong. Remember that between EB and Water7 Luffy didn't grow in strength that much. It wasn't until Ennis Lobby that Luffy developed the gears. Arlong just happened to be defeated by Luffy before Crocodile and Enel. He was also probably using bribes to keep his bounty low.
There are many ways this arc will go, but if I recall correctly, many suspected Lucci wasn't the final boss of Enies Lobby, yet he was, I think Hodi is gonna be the main villain of this arc. But I think there's gonna be a lot at play we still don't know about, like Caribou, Deckem and the Kingdom
Quite a pity it wasn't included in Mangastream's scanlation, but the sound Hoe's making is a pun made by Oda. It says 'hoeru' which is a verb for 'to bark/roar/howl'.
I think Molokidan doesn't have the proper attitude for such relish as he'd never read One Piece before translating it for Mangastream.
This is where I encourage you guys to start learning japanese and read One Piece the way it's meant to be read.
A pun is hardly something that makes me consider starting to learn Japanese
I'm still not sure why Fishman Island is in such a vulnerable position. Even if it's a major thoroughfare for pirates into the New World just getting there is an epic and hazardous journey. Even without the Kraken in their way there were tons of deep seas monsters, volcanos, ocean currents, water pressure, temperature, etc. It seems like the place is naturally protect from outside unwanted visitors not to mention that we just saw Hodi Jones rip apart a ship underwater like it was a chew toy. Now i don't think all the fishmen can do that but even a couple should be able to pop those bubbles and send whoever they want floating or sinking.
So what was WB protecting? Why do they need Big Mam now? Unless like an army shows up with a crack team acustom to dealing with under water battling it seems like the denizens of Fishman Island have every tactical advantage on their side. They should be able to deal with the handful of rookies who make it past the Grandline especially when they're fighting on their own turf.
lol, I'm sure there are Pirates strong enough to defeat Fishmen as if they were toys even with the disadvantage of possible being popped.
You underestimate the rush of pirates from Grand LineAlso, what Kouch_Lee said
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BTW, in no way is Hodi gonna be a Partner, the difference between Hodi and Wiper is that Wiper was killing people that were from the villain and he had a good reasoning for doing it. Hodi is doing it so he can wipe Humanity from Fishmen Island. Now, there's a possible redemption hidden somewhere, but when Oda bothers to show Hodi killing Humans with that demoniac face, there's no chance in hell he's being an ally.
I bet 10-1 on how Hodi is being a villain and isn't having a redemption.
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I'm going to keep on holding out hope for the major villains to be bounty hunters, although a Great White Shark fishman isn't too shabby.
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Am i the only one who thinks that gyro's design is awesome for a fodder pirate? I hope he comes back into the story somehow because i'd like to see that claw in action
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o and the leader that hammond reported to could be enel, with the ppl working under him being his enforcers.
Enel´s a human. He won´t make the fishman believe he´s a god.
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I just realized that I think it would be hilarious if Caribou was the final villain of the arc, after having manipulated and betrayed the fishmen after pretending to help them corner Luffy.
He'd be less of a challenge than Hodi Jones, but to be perfectly honest, I don't think I see Luffy experiencing any near-defeat in the next two arcs.
Also, while I agree that I want a more complex villain than Arlong P2 (as suggestion by my shallow speculation above), people have to remember that Oda said he felt like he was starting a new serial :P Even if the One Piece world is already this deep and complex, at the start of a new manga, you have to keep things simple or your audience won't be able to keep up and stick with it ^_^; This may be Oda's first and only real serialization, but he's a real mangaka and might have that ingrained in his head.
Enel´s a human. He won´t make the fishman believe he´s a god.
No, he was making a skypiea METAPHOR. He's not saying that Enel would make a literal return this arc. 9.9
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Am i the only one who thinks that gyro's design is awesome for a fodder pirate? I hope he comes back into the story somehow because i'd like to see that claw in action
Hodi Joney broke it properly…no way this guy will make himself a name in the NW or somewhere else.