Chapter 390 "Return Fire" Discussion
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isn't your brain essentially a muscle or am i confusing science lessons?
Your brain is made up of neural tissue, whereas the muscles being referred to (the ones we can consciously control) are made up of skeletal muscle tissue. So no, the brain isn't a muscle in the strictly biological sense.
Though, I suppose it is a muscle in the sense that, the more you use your brain, the more neural connections you make, thus the more intelligent you become (barring genetic limitations), similar to how the more you use your muscles the stronger your muscles become.
It's an organ, but not a muscle in the sense of the tissue sinews that make up one's legs or muscles. This is why I mention energy; perhaps it's testasterone or something, because when Chopper uses his different forms, the emphasized form is very…distinctive. As in, stronger leg muscles, stronger arm muscles, ect. If there's no redistribution of mass, Chopper must be using my bodily resources to fuel the amount of power in the emphasized area.
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I'd go with a hormone/homeostatic explanation rather than an energy redistribution one. You can increase the concentration of one hormone (which can be introduced via a pill.) to increase the functionality of some organ, but at the same time, since your body is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis, and since most hormones can be both inducers and inhibitors, normal functioning of other organs in other parts of the body may be reduced (what we call side effects). Testosterone, estrogen and most forms of steroids are examples of hormones (basically, if I remember my bio lessons correctly, anything that "communicates" with cells in your body affecting their function somehow is considered a hormone). The perfect hormone/mixture of hormones (introduced externally) would be one that only positively affects the intended organ(s)/tissue(s) while not negatively affecting all the other organs/tissues within the body. So I don't think chopper has found the perfect pill (a single hormone or some mixture of hormones) yet.
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I cite examples of parents, of note average-build women, lifting up cars if their children were in danger somehow. That's unnatural unless spurred on by something, and in this case, it's testasterone.
Not a big deal, but I believe you are thinking of adrenaline in this case. Although small amounts of testosterone are produced in females, it is the adrenaline in this case that produces the surge in strength.
MasterDee's idea of hormones being used to activate Chopper's different forms is a possability. As he said, the hromones would serve to activate or deactivate certain organs or tissues of the body at a time. The Rumble balls could be a neural stimulus that allows him to consciously elevate certain hormones that he ordinarily would not be able to. That's right, Chopper is getting high.
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Huh, sorry to break away from this scientific explanation.
Regarding the battles, I don't think it'll be possible to have one-on-ones…Since they will fight either on the bridge or where the SH are now (CP9ers Geppou their way there), they're all together in the same place, and I don't think two will fight while the other eight just watch...an all out brawl might be inevitable.
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@Oboro:
I don't think two will fight while the other eight just watch…an all out brawl might be inevitable.
That'd actually be quite cool, but it might take the tension away from the usual battles we see. I mean if it's just fighting here, there and everywhere it'll just be chaotic as it'll have to like try and focus in on everyone at the same time. :mellow:
I'd say that one on ones are still pheasable. . . There will probably like break aways where two fighters chase each other for a bit so they are conviently in an area to fight alone.
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@Oboro:
Huh, sorry to break away from this scientific explanation.
Regarding the battles, I don't think it'll be possible to have one-on-ones…Since they will fight either on the bridge or where the SH are now (CP9ers Geppou their way there), they're all together in the same place, and I don't think two will fight while the other eight just watch...an all out brawl might be inevitable.
I don´t see why being all assembled at one place should be problematic for one on one fights. Just look back at the Arlong arc where Arlong, Chew, Kuroobi and Hachi on the one and Luffy, Usopp, Sanji and Zoro on the other side were all assembled on one place before the seperate fights started.
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I know, but in Arlong Park only tfour people were fighting at the same time…we're 12 here. And while duels might be possible, the fights are bound to have A LOT of interferences between one another (like, for example, Sanji kicking Kaku towards Lucci, thus distracting him a bit, or Sogeking blinding the Strawhats with the flash dial, etc.)
I reckon that'd be hard for Oda to pull off, but it would make an extremely exciting battle. Wishful thinking, I guess.
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And ironically, the CP9 aren't very honorable. If an agent starts losing Kaku would probably jump in or something.
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@Oboro:
I know, but in Arlong Park only tfour people were fighting at the same time…we're 12 here. And while duels might be possible, the fights are bound to have A LOT of interferences between one another (like, for example, Sanji kicking Kaku towards Lucci, thus distracting him a bit, or Sogeking blinding the Strawhats with the flash dial, etc.)
Nice way of twisting things. If you use the number 4 for Arlong Park, then use 6 for Enies Lobby. If you use 12 for Enies Lobby then use 8 for Arlong Park. Because back then it was 4 matches with 8 participants and now it looks like it´ll be 6 matches with 12 participants. So it´s basically just two more matches, while your statement made it seem that it was triple as much as back then.
Two more is not that much more an amount of matches after all. And even if Franky and Spandam join it will just be 7 vs. 7.
And ironically, the CP9 aren't very honorable. If an agent starts losing Kaku would probably jump in or something.
Well the Arlong Pirates weren´t that much more fair players themselves so again I don´t see no big differences. About Kaku you´re probably right though. So it seems he needs to be taken down first. Well if Zoro really would be his opponent then it would be just like in the Arlong Arc. Of the 4 fights, Zoro´s was first.
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I agree completely.
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No, I meant 4 as in Zoro, Sanji, Kuroobi and Hacchan.
No one is stuck somewhere now ( I wonder if it will happen…hopefully not) like Luffy was.
There's the possibility of someone moving from their current location, but where could they go? Back into the judiciary tower? or inside Spandam's office (sorry, I don't remember the name of that building).
In the end, there's not much room to move around, and everyone seems eager to fight (except Spandam heh)
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well for Kaku to be at his best it would have to be a group fight so that he can get in cheapshots when they arent looking:laugh:
me im all for the all out brawl but sadly i dont think its gonna happen,
Its probably gonna be the same 1 vs 1 matches it always is especially this time when many of the SH are gonna showcase their new skills and weapons. -
@Oboro:
No, I meant 4 as in Zoro, Sanji, Kuroobi and Hacchan.
No one is stuck somewhere now ( I wonder if it will happen…hopefully not) like Luffy was.
Then it would be Zoro, Sanji, Kuroobi, Hacchan, Usopp, Chuu, and Arlong.
The fights haven't started yet, so it's quite possible for the same thing Usopp and Chuu did to happen here, you know, so you can't not count them… and Arlong was there the entire time during Sanji and Zoro's fights, too, you know. He never went anywhere.
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Water seven bears a couple simmilarity to Arlong Park, so perhaps the matches will play out in a simmilar manner, but I dispute this based on the nature of CP9; they're assassins who will go to any lengths to accomplish a goal in as short an amout of time as possible. Only under Spandam's orders could I see a series of one-on-one matches, but I do not see his motivation for doing so.
What would really be interesting is if we had a series of tag-team matchups occuring simultaneously, example given, Luffy v. Lucchi, Kaku & Jyabura v. Zoro & Sanji, Califa v. Chopper, and Fukurou & Kumadori v. Sogeking & Nami.
That might spice things up a bit.
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we all know oda is a big fan of akira toriyama
I was reading DBZ chapters around Bezita & Nappa invasion to Earth and there is this 6v6 really remind me of the current situation One Piece is in now -
Not a big deal, but I believe you are thinking of adrenaline in this case. Although small amounts of testosterone are produced in females, it is the adrenaline in this case that produces the surge in strength.
Whoops, sorry, I just noticed the slip. I was thinking adrenaline and was going to tie it in with the effects of chemicals on a normal body, but I guess that didn't come out properly. Thanks.
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It's an organ, but not a muscle in the sense of the tissue sinews that make up one's legs or muscles. This is why I mention energy; perhaps it's testasterone or something, because when Chopper uses his different forms, the emphasized form is very…distinctive. As in, stronger leg muscles, stronger arm muscles, ect. If there's no redistribution of mass, Chopper must be using my bodily resources to fuel the amount of power in the emphasized area.
I cite examples of parents, of note average-build women, lifting up cars if their children were in danger somehow. That's unnatural unless spurred on by something, and in this case, it's testasterone. Whie in that state, the parent is usually focused on the task at hand and is reduced in metal function for multiple tasks; hence, Chopper isn't much of a thinker in his other forms, just a fighting beast. My theory is that he only uses those forms to execute what he's planning, and must revert to a more stable form (IE, Brain Point or his normal Reindeer/Chibi form) and make a decision, only to quickly revert to the other form to perform what the decision entices.
i think theirs a chance we could loose the chibi form, we've seen chopper using the deer form more and more is it possible that he will evolve that form in a stage rather than maturing it naturally. that would give the man-beast form a bigger more agressive look.
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Luffy and the strawhat crew have gotten stronger. I am concerned about Luffy's New "Gear", I think it only improved his speed and power (explosiveness etc.) but what about balance. Balance to me is strength like for example speed, strength, agility, stamina, and endurance. I think luffy needs to improve more in his endurance and stamina to be a worthy opponent for more powerful opponents like the Shichibukai and the Admirals.
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sabretooth, oda wouldn't kill chibi chopper. it's just…. wrong.
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Tereks idea of a tag team match up would be exciting having Lucci tag with Kaku and Luffy team with Ussop it could be a nice way to re affirm their status as nakama
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^Personnally I like the idea of Sanji and Zoro having to work together (although this isn't likely) and Nami, Chopper, and Soge having to work by them selves.
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Luffy and the strawhat crew have gotten stronger. I am concerned about Luffy's New "Gear", I think it only improved his speed and power (explosiveness etc.) but what about balance. Balance to me is strength like for example speed, strength, agility, stamina, and endurance. I think luffy needs to improve more in his endurance and stamina to be a worthy opponent for more powerful opponents like the Shichibukai and the Admirals.
Hmm do not forget he already fought his way through all those marines, so I'd assume his stamina is not the issue. Defeating 1000 marines and then Blueno without even a minute rest in between say different.
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It happened in the Davy Back fight and i loved it. This time, Zoro has the use of his swords as well.
Another Tag team between my two favorite characters would be beyond kickass.
My favorite part in the Back Fight was -
Zoro : Hey Cook gimme a hand for 10 mins
Sanji : Yea, that seems about right.And despite how good a team up between Zoro and Sanji against Kaku and Jyabura would be, Luffy and Lucci have to go at it solo.
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sabretooth, oda wouldn't kill chibi chopper. it's just…. wrong.
lol, i just wanna see him grow up a bit stop being so scared and cute etc.
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It happened in the Davy Back fight and i loved it. This time, Zoro has the use of his swords as well.
Another Tag team between my two favorite characters would be beyond kickass.
My favorite part in the Back Fight was -
Zoro : Hey Cook gimme a hand for 10 mins
Sanji : Yea, that seems about right.And despite how good a team up between Zoro and Sanji against Kaku and Jyabura would be, Luffy and Lucci have to go at it solo.
and with Jyabura wanting to prove his stronger than Kaku would probleu even things out.XD
It would be awsome to see them teaming again.
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and with Jyabura wanting to prove his stronger than Kaku would probleu even things out.XD
It would be awsome to see them teaming again.
WHAT!!? Biggest twist ever!!! Sanji and Jyabura team up against Zoro and Kaku!!! Now that would be pretty crazy!!!
/ I know what he meant.
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Im sure he meant Jyabura and Kaku teaming together, but with Jyabura wanting to prove his superiority by being extra aggressive XD
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Prediction… or hope. Dunno:
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Very nice. I like it.
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changsho…. are u Oda?
Amazing art work. I love that sketch art feeling
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I like it Chansgo, Kinda wish you draw Luffy's reaction when he sees Usopp's face
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changso … hebat sekali ..... great artwork... you'll able to create your own manga if luffy suddenly dead ....
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Considering the broken Soge King mask pic Changsho did, I'll be very frigthened if this happens in the manga almost exactly as it's drawn here.
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Changsho that's an awesome piece but it's really ironic because Kaku is wearing a mask too, or at least it sure looks like he is.
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changsho…. are u Oda?
Nope. I can't draw women :laugh:
Worm: Kaku's taken his W7 mask off… all the more reason to face him off with Usopp! Two longnoses with masks?
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changsho, Bravo on the pic! Seems like a good prediction, something I would certainly like to see :D
I guess it all depends on the battle match-ups though.
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it's more a hope because as you can see in the spread that usopp's already beginning to crumble (the dribbling and bogey)
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Hmm do not forget he already fought his way through all those marines, so I'd assume his stamina is not the issue. Defeating 1000 marines and then Blueno without even a minute rest in between say different.
What will Luffy do to those opponents who use swords? Lets say he has an encounter with Mihawk or Shanks or even Zoro. How will he defend himself from them?<_<
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As everyone said. Changsho, you rock. And if you really do work for Oda… Mm-hmm. I expect some juicy tidbits!
If it really does look like that, I'll wet myself from joy.
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My god, Ussop without the mask but in the rest of the Sogeking outfit looks so kickass!!
And yes that warrented two exclamation marks.
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Truly, awesomeness thy name is changsho. Kudos for the awesome Ussop.
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What will Luffy do to those opponents who use swords? Lets say he has an encounter with Mihawk or Shanks or even Zoro. How will he defend himself from them?<_<
what has that to do with his stamina? :huh:
Just for the record: Yes luffy can be harmed with swords but that doesn't make them his weakness, since almost everyone else, except for several devilfruitusers, is as vulnerable to swords as he is. You could turn the question as well around, how will Zoro, Mihawk Shanks defend themselves from his gomu gomu attacks? It's pointless both ways.
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what has that to do with his stamina? :huh:
Just for the record: Yes luffy can be harmed with swords but that doesn't make them his weakness, since almost everyone else, except for several devilfruitusers, is as vulnerable to swords as he is. You could turn the question as well around, how will Zoro, Mihawk Shanks defend themselves from his gomu gomu attacks? It's pointless both ways.
I think we already know by now that Zoro will have a hard time defending himself from Luffy's gomu gomu attacks.
Mihawk and Shanks are another story Luffy will definetly be crushed by these two characters. These are arguably the strongest Pirates behind Whitbebeard himself. Right now Luffy has no chance against the likes of Mihawk and Shanks.
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i hope we get the spoiler soon lol
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Just for the record: Yes luffy can be harmed with swords but that doesn't make them his weakness, since almost everyone else, except for several devilfruitusers, is as vulnerable to swords as he is. You could turn the question as well around, how will Zoro, Mihawk Shanks defend themselves from his gomu gomu attacks? It's pointless both ways.
The reason why Luffy is more vulnerable to sharp objects like other people is because when he becomes a bigger target when he uses his DF powers. If he stretches his arm for the lenght of ten men, then he gives the enemy a target that is ten times more open for attacks then a regular men.
It´s not about the damage Luffy would suffer, because there I agree with you that he is same to everyone else. It´s about the room he gives the enemy for attacks. Just think back at Luffy´s first fight with Buggy, where exactly that got elaborated.
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The reason why Luffy is more vulnerable to sharp objects like other people is because when he becomes a bigger target when he uses his DF powers. If he stretches his arm for the lenght of ten men, then he gives the enemy a target that is ten times more open for attacks then a regular men.
It´s not about the damage Luffy would suffer, because there I agree with you that he is same to everyone else. It´s about the room he gives the enemy for attacks. Just think back at Luffy´s first fight with Buggy, where exactly that got elaborated.
However, that was in the second volume or so and by now Luffy's attacks aren't all over the place like they were in that fight. His strong points are his speed and his flexibility and as long as his enemy is not alot faster than he is they can't exploit such a weakness as was seen in the fight with Blueno. Luffy destroyed the pride and confidence he had in his speed so unless Oda introduces yet another level of speed Luffy should be quite safe unless he encouters Whitebeard and his like.
I think we already know by now that Zoro will have a hard time defending himself from Luffy's gomu gomu attacks.
Mihawk and Shanks are another story Luffy will definetly be crushed by these two characters. These are arguably the strongest Pirates behind Whitbebeard himself. Right now Luffy has no chance against the likes of Mihawk and Shanks.
I never meant that Luffy could beat them as was right now, but that his defeat wouldn't have anything to do with the sharpness of their swords. He would lose to others who are about as strong, like Aokiji, even if they fight unarmed.
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no one piece in issue #1. is it next week?
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huh? no one piece this week? how come i didn't hear anything about it?
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huh? no one piece this week? how come i didn't hear anything about it?
you know, when i say next week, i really mean NEXT week, not THIS week. and i'm not even sure it's next week, it may be the week after.
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you know, when i say next week, i really mean NEXT week, not THIS week. and i'm not even sure it's next week, it may be the week after.
according to Heiji on ritualscanforge it's the one next week