I just know that the chapter this week is going to end with a major cliffhanger, so we have 2 weeks to sit and angst over it >=(
Chapter 390 "Return Fire" Discussion
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However, that was in the second volume or so and by now Luffy's attacks aren't all over the place like they were in that fight. His strong points are his speed and his flexibility and as long as his enemy is not alot faster than he is they can't exploit such a weakness as was seen in the fight with Blueno.
It doesn´t change a thing that it was in volume 2 or so because Luffy is still using his stretching ability. That´s a given fact. And as long he doesn´t stop stretching he will give the enemy more space to attack then a person that can´t extend his body. Of course it requires someone who´s able to exploit that weakness but that doesn´t mean that that weak spot itself perishes. It still is there and so my previous point still stands.
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That's true for normal Luffy, but In Gear second he either hits his oppponents without touching them, or so fast that it seems so. This means that his limbs can retract instantly, denying a sowrdsman the opportunity to cut them.
So Luffy can now hit his opponent (unless he has equally fast reaction time) without exposing his limbs. -
I think that it is rather so fast that it seems he doesn´t extend them instead of not stretching after all. Of course it´s just my personal theory but I think that´s how it is.
If that is the case, then my point is unchanged. The weakness is still there, but it requires someone with immense skills to exploit the weakness. I think that a guy like Mihawk should be able to keep up with this spead. I see similarities to DragonBall when the fighters move so fast that they become invisible to the normal eye, while someone on the same level can see everything perfectly.
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I think that it is rather so fast that it seems he doesn´t extend them instead of not stretching after all. Of course it´s just my personal theory but I think that´s how it is.
If that is the case, then my point is unchanged. The weakness is still there, but it requires someone with immense skills to exploit the weakness. I think that a guy like Mihawk should be able to keep up with this spead. I see similarities to DragonBall when the fighters move so fast that they become invisible to the normal eye, while someone on the same level can see everything perfectly.
The Gear 2 probably will be explained in detail in the fight against Lucci, so we shouldn't have to wait long for this to be revealed.
And still in my opinion Luffy has no particular weakness against blades, as fast as he can move his arms the opponents so far either had to block the attack or evade them in a way that left them unable to counter. Even in the fight against Eneru who was able to predict each attack your weakness wasn't exploited. I admit he can be harmed that way, but only in the same way that Sanji's leg can be harmed when somebody is able to closely evade his kick.
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according to Heiji on ritualscanforge it's the one next week
ocean said it too in the Color walk 3 thread and we get a color spread in 391 =)
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The Gear 2 probably will be explained in detail in the fight against Lucci, so we shouldn't have to wait long for this to be revealed.
And still in my opinion Luffy has no particular weakness against blades, as fast as he can move his arms the opponents so far either had to block the attack or evade them in a way that left them unable to counter. Even in the fight against Eneru who was able to predict each attack your weakness wasn't exploited. I admit he can be harmed that way, but only in the same way that Sanji's leg can be harmed when somebody is able to closely evade his kick.
Why are you calling it my weakness? It´s mentioned in the manga and I always go with the creators message in favor of a fan idea that goes against it. It´s not my theory, it´s Oda´s. I just stick with it.
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Why are you calling it my weakness? It´s mentioned in the manga and I always go with the creators message in favor of a fan idea that goes against it. It´s not my theory, it´s Oda´s. I just stick with it.
In the manga it isn't portrayed as a particular weakness it's only said that bleades can harm him, so I call it "your" weakness, nnext time I'll call it your imagined weakness, that better? Luffy's weaknesses are fire/heat, as seen in the whole Alabasta arc and water naturally, nothing more.
But perhaps our definition of weakness is different. I view it about the sam as in many pc games, your weaknesses are those things which A make it easier to get hit and B increase the damage you suffer. A is as I said of no consequence until Oda introduces a new level of speed and then if Luffy can't keep up with his enemy the enemy has no need to exploit the weak point of the attacks you mentioned. He can just instantly go for the kill. And B was never a possibility.
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Luffy's vulnerability to cutting or slashing isn't a weakness, simply because he was vulnerable to such before he gained his Devil Fruit. That's how he got his scar, remember?
Weaknesses are not within the individual, but within the Devil Fruit's powers. Even if this were the case, what we would call a "weakness" would simply bring a DF user back down from godhood to mortality, as it were. Crocodile had a weakness because water would cause him to lose one ability of his Devil Fruit. In this, the only true weakness of a DF user is the inability to swim.
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If Oda follows the same pattern than in previous arcs, Luffy vs. Lucchi fight might even stretch to 400chap+. Like in arabasta we saw fights in order from weakest to strongest. Of course things have changed and Oda might do anything we would have never even tought about. Can't say anything else about this, I will be just waiting for new chapters. Too bad that we won't get one this week, but I honestly think that Oda deservers one week of since he's bringing us every week best manga in the whole world.
Wouldn't it just be wrong if Luffy's fight would be first one :/ ?
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furthermore, luffy is still rubber, that can be cut, otherwise if he can evolve his rubber form to metal rubber, or any stronger rubber so that would be hard to cut.
and … its already thursday ... :D
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furthermore, luffy is still rubber, that can be cut, otherwise if he can evolve his rubber form to metal rubber, or any stronger rubber so that would be hard to cut.
and … its already thursday ... :D
and so OP became pokemon
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa stil no chapter and its thursday this is a bummer lol
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Why are 2 people watching Mr.2 and Hina fight?
Just to the left of Bon's head.EDIT:My bad, I couldn't tell.
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….You mean Mr. 5 and Ms. Goldenweek?
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa stil no chapter and its thursday this is a bummer lol
Aye, Nauto and Bleach have already come out. Either this OP chapter sucks…or it's so awesome, all who read it were knocked out, so spoilers cannot be posted.
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It's still 7:44 pm Wed here. And it's usually not out until at least Thursday mornings for me. You people just need to be more patient. It will come out when it's out.
Addition: I just noticed when looking at the Raws an Manga scans that Franky's face looks like a mask. There is a clear line of division where his skin looks scarred, this can be seen in a side profile of Franky. I'm just wondering if I'm the only one who noticed this, or if I'm overanalyzing the picture.
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Aye, Nauto and Bleach have already come out. Either this OP chapter sucks…or it's so awesome, all who read it were knocked out, so spoilers cannot be posted.
Hmm… I hope delay also means that a scanned chapter will come out, none of those camera pic...
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Hm…dunno. Every now and then it happens that there's no spoiler, or a late chapter, I don't recall if any of those times were sucky chapters. I imagine that it will be a downer from the last one no matter what, though.
Maybe the holidays stateside have something to do with it also. I know they aren't celebrating in Japan, but people over here might not be paying attention to the Japanese sites because they're getting ready for holidays.<_< -
In the manga it isn't portrayed as a particular weakness it's only said that bleades can harm him, so I call it "your" weakness, nnext time I'll call it your imagined weakness, that better? Luffy's weaknesses are fire/heat, as seen in the whole Alabasta arc and water naturally, nothing more.
First of all it´s not my wording it´s said in the manga.
And secondly I consider the ability make yourself a bigger target to be a weakness if you have someone who can take advantage of it. It´s not the DF´s weak point and since it is Luffy´s DF it becomes Luffy´s weak spot because he became a bigger target then before he ate a DF.
Nobody doubts that Crocodile´s weak spot was water, but when it gets to Luffy´s weak spot which is to become a bigger target then everybody doubts it. How come?
I never said that he became more vulnerable to swords then before the ate the DF, I just say that he became a bigger target and since bullets can´t hurt him but sharp objects can, he is an easier target to those who use sharp objects. That´s all.
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And secondly I consider the ability make yourself a bigger target to be a weakness if you have someone who can take advantage of it. It´s not the DF´s weak point and since it is Luffy´s DF it becomes Luffy´s weak spot because he became a bigger target then before he ate a DF.
Nobody doubts that Crocodile´s weak spot was water, but when it gets to Luffy´s weak spot which is to become a bigger target then everybody doubts it. How come?
I never said that he became more vulnerable to swords then before the ate the DF, I just say that he became a bigger target and since bullets can´t hurt him but sharp objects can, he is an easier target to those who use sharp objects. That´s all.
Not that I should but into this fascinating rebuttle, but Luffy's only a "bigger target" in terms of a lack of innovation. Almost everyone, including people who know what Devil Fruit Luffy has eaten, attempt to shoot him. Marines, Galley-La, Pirates…it matters not. Swords and sharp objects are generally only used as a "Plan B" kind of thing, because the alternative, which are punches and kicks, are just as bad as guns.
In regard to Buggy...I suppose it was just unfortunate for Luffy in regard to Buggy's favouring of kunai-like knives. He is a clown, afterall, and many circus folk are famous for juggling/swallowing sharp objects.
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I would love to post a new thread saying
"Where is the chapter 391 spoilers?!" But that's not my thing.
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I wonder if the Thanksgiving Holiday will slow down any raw/translation providers?
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Aye, Nauto and Bleach have already come out. Either this OP chapter sucks…or it's so awesome, all who read it were knocked out, so spoilers cannot be posted.
Naruto and Bleach have come out??? where?
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one piece is out too somebody make a thread
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Naruto and Bleach have come out??? where?
LeafNinja updated today, and my sister obtained her Bleach scans yesterday afternoon. Check around…remember, Arlong Park is the only major [English] stronghold for One Piece in the Western Hemisphere, and there's at least five or six websites of comparable size to AP dedicated to Bleach and Naruto.