The fact that while luffy looks the exact same at the end of marineford from the beginning of the series, Coby is completely unrecognizable even though the average fan will agree that roughly only 6 months has past.
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The fact people can go months or years at a time meet up and suddenely act like nothing has happened. Most notably crocodile and luffys meeting in Impel Down, and the Strawhats reunion. I mean at least mention that the last time i saw you was when i kicked your ass. Hachi is another example.
Luffy was mad when he met Croc again. Hatchi tried to hide himself with oil and the M.Trio didn't want to help him till Nami said he was ok.
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@Vegard:
I wasn't particularly annoyed that ARLONG didn't die, but in the long run, I did get extremely tired of the fact that NOONE does. Seriously, Pell, Pagaya and the Franky Family should have STAYED dead, and we never even got a decent explaination for why they survived being blown up, electrified or shot with a shower of canonballs.
And I felt that the conclusion to the Thriller Bark-saga was anticlimactic. "Hey, I know I was ordered to kill EVERYONE, but because I'm such a nice guy, I'll just injure Zoro and then leave. Bye."
LOL… you say all of this as though you haven't read past the thriller bark story arc...
Bartholomew Kuma wasn't evil at the time but he was still working for the government so he gave the strawhat pirates an ultimatum that if he killed their captain they could go free.... now obviously luffy was unconcious from quite an epic battle with both oz and moria.... so the choice was left in the hands of the remaining crew member... zoro made the choice to get killed... HOWEVER!! kuma being a goody... decided to show mercy on zoro... and zoro even admitted that... lol
oh and in regards to Pell... we never actually saw him get blown up... all we saw was a massive explosion... granted with the amount of time remaining it would have been near impossible to escape the bombs impact... but then again this is a genre based on fantasy... i'm sure we can use our imaginations
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[…]oh and in regards to Pell… we never actually saw him get blown up... all we saw was a massive explosion... granted with the amount of time remaining it would have been near impossible to escape the bombs impact... but then again this is a genre based on fantasy... i'm sure we can use our imaginations
Oh, so, pell not dying from a bomb that would have incinerated an entire town seems completely reasonable simply because 'this is a fantasy.' I suppose if in the next chapter it just so happened that Luffy and all of the other strawhats die, and that's the end of the story, it would make complete sense because after all this is just a fantasy, so who cares if it's reasonable or not.
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LOL… you say all of this as though you haven't read past the thriller bark story arc...
Bartholomew Kuma wasn't evil at the time but he was still working for the government so he gave the strawhat pirates an ultimatum that if he killed their captain they could go free.... now obviously luffy was unconcious from quite an epic battle with both oz and moria.... so the choice was left in the hands of the remaining crew member... zoro made the choice to get killed... HOWEVER!! kuma being a goody... decided to show mercy on zoro... and zoro even admitted that... lol
oh and in regards to Pell... we never actually saw him get blown up... all we saw was a massive explosion... granted with the amount of time remaining it would have been near impossible to escape the bombs impact... but then again this is a genre based on fantasy... i'm sure we can use our imaginations
So you are basically spitting on people, who didn't like some things, by an obvious explanation of the story
EDIT: Didn't mean to be angry at you or anything, just a little annoyed.
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Oh, so, pell not dying from a bomb that would have incinerated an entire town seems completely reasonable simply because 'this is a fantasy.' I suppose if in the next chapter it just so happened that Luffy and all of the other strawhats die, and that's the end of the story, it would make complete sense because after all this is just a fantasy, so who cares if it's reasonable or not.
lol… you misinterpreted my statement, although to be fair as was quite vague.. this is indeed a fantasy and whether something is reasonable or not is completely subjective especially if the writer leave it to our imagination.... cos afterall he didn't show us how he avoided such a catastrophe
but what i was refering to by using your imagination is the way in which he escaped... i'm sure escaping a bomb which like you mention can incinerate an entire town must have been quite a feat... but probably not impossible not for a massive falcon anyway.. i mean afterall we don't know how fast Pell could fly or manoeuvre... or indeed what other forms pell has he could take... he could have launched the bomb elsewhere ( and by elsewhere i mean further above him, not in a different direction )
and afterall it not like he got away unscathed... he was severely injured@ADT:
So you are basically spitting on people, who didn't like some things, by an obvious explanation of the story
no no no… i'm not "spitting" on anyone... this is a forum after all... everyone has a right to their opinion... if they don't like something they have every right to say so.... but i also have the right to rebutt the statement they make....
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I'm tired of JUMP comics taking breaks…If I was good at drawing and already had a manuscript of my story, I would probably come out with like 2 chapters a week with no breaks...what's so hard about doing one, 1-20 page chapter a week....
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You're so talented
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@Holy:
You're so talented
Wiseass :getlost:
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I'm tired of JUMP comics taking breaks…If I was good at drawing and already had a manuscript of my story, I would probably come out with like 2 chapters a week with no breaks...what's so hard about doing one, 1-20 page chapter a week....
Yeah what's so hard about all the drawing, inking, writing, editing, and not seeing your family?
Shit Oda, get it together!
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@Cyan:
Yeah what's so hard about all the drawing, inking, writing, editing, and not seeing your family?
Shit Oda, get it together!
I honestly don't think it's as hard as you're sarcastically saying..Well, that's my opinion anyway.
EDIT: Plus, it's not as if they're doing it all alone…they have teams that help them with the manga's...There is definitely another reason why there are breaks and it doesn't have anything to do with it being too hard.
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Opinions are wrong.
Your opinion is simply wrong.
It takes about 3-5 hours to do a manga page, therefore you have to work at least 10 hours a day to produce 20 manga pages a week. And no, Oda only have the grand design for One Piece, not the detailed manuscript like what Alan Motherfucking Moore wrote for Dave Gibbons each Watchmen chapter. -
@Aegir:
Opinions are wrong.
Your opinion is simply wrong.
It takes about 3-5 hours to do a manga pageNot trying to be a jerk but, 3-5 hours for one page, REALLY??? come on, a talented person such as Oda would probably take like an hour at max for one page.
EDIT: I'm getting off the subject now, just disappointed that I couldn't read my mangas this week is all….I guess I can be patient though, like I am for the Berserk manga...new chapters come out once every 3 months for that manga, lol.
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I honestly don't think it's as hard as you're sarcastically saying..Well, that's my opinion anyway.
There is just no way you can be this dense.
@tikidreq:Not trying to be a jerk but, 3-5 hours for one page, REALLY??? come on, a talented person such as Oda would probably take like an hour at max for one page.
Just no way.
Alright, look.
Araki has his own personal studio to help him with Jojo. Despite this, he only releases a chapter a month.
Do you know why? Because drawing, inking, and writing are all very time consuming things to do.
Hell, have you seen Oda's backgrounds? No way that shit is done in an hour, even with assistants.
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Isn't there an interview around with Oda saying how long it takes him to do a chapter?
I feel like he said he only gets one day off a week.
If anyone knows which interview this is, or if it even exists, can they post it.
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Not trying to be a jerk but, 3-5 hours for one page, REALLY??? come on, a talented person such as Oda would probably take like an hour at max for one page.
Funny how you know nothing about drawing and you talk like you are an expert.
Oda is a really talented person. That's why he can draw most of the background himself for 18 pages a week. -
I'm tired of JUMP comics taking breaks…If I was good at drawing and already had a manuscript of my story, I would probably come out with like 2 chapters a week with no breaks...what's so hard about doing one, 1-20 page chapter a week....
…:getlost:
If you think you can work nonstop all the time without taking a break, your lying to yourself.
Be patient...
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I'm sure I said I'm off the subject now and I was only being impatient because I really wanted to read my mangas this week..I'm wrong you're right, you win…..happy, lol.
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Isn't there an interview around with Oda saying how long it takes him to do a chapter?
http://e1n.deviantart.com/journal/27162438/
Oda-sensei's workflow for a week
- Monday - Comic creation
- Tuesday - Comic creation -> Finishing manuscript!
- Wednesday - Staff meeting (usually by phone), Color illustrations, Anime related things, etc.
- Thursday - Color illustrations, Anime related things, etc.
- Friday - Sketches, Arrival of assistants ("I make them come early so that I get into a situation where I can't escape. (laugh)" –Oda-sensei)
- Saturday - Sketches
- Sunday - Comic creation
Working 15 hours a day and 7 days a week is common for manga artists. Miura, for example.
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1958102&postcount=2353
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Thank you, happy holidays
You fail at trolling, but I expected nothing less from someone with a freaking Bleach avatar.
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You fail at trolling, but I expected nothing less from someone with a freaking Bleach avatar.
Bleach? What are you talking bout?
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For me the most disappointing thing in OP is the revolutionary army somwhat, Dragon is seemingly awesome yet his commanders have been dissapointing. We don't know what Kuma's rank was but Ivankov was just bleh.
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What didn't you like about Iva?
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Alot of people are turned of by the Okama thing.
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What didn't you like about Iva?
He is disgusting, my tolerance meter goes only so far though I will not deny he is extremely skilled and strong.
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What on earth is disgusting about Iva? He/She's awesome!
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What on earth is disgusting about Iva? He/She's awesome!
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I'm just showing the proper way to troll.
Thats not the proper way to troll, that's just being a huge dumbass. Be clever at least.
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I was slightly weirded out by Iva, but his/her ability is so creatively versatile that I don't even care.
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He is disgusting, my tolerance meter goes only so far though
Gender and sexuality studies are my forte. So I just want you to know how funny what you just said is The idea of a masculine man dressing and acting effeminate can be seen as humorous because of societal angles and that is just fine, but outright being disgusted by it is pretty much conditioned behaviour.
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How can you hate Ivankov, he's Tim Curry.
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-The fact that Portgas D. Ace's conflict with his blood father Gol D. Roger remained officially unsolved. Until the end of his life he still didn't announce to accept or forgive his father. I don't care how Oda should manage to do it, but this kind of conflict is supposed to end with the protagonist consciously openly concluding. All Oda did was a bit of Garp's comment about Ace truly being Roger's son in Luffy's flashback.
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@Aegir:
-The fact that Portgas D. Ace's conflict with his blood father Gol D. Roger remained officially unsolved. Until the end of his life he still didn't announce to accept or forgive his father. I don't care how Oda should manage to do it, but this kind of conflict is supposed to end with the protagonist consciously openly concluding. All Oda did was a bit of Garp's comment about Ace truly being Roger's son in Luffy's flashback.
But all that conflict was about Ace and WB, not Roger.
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Never thought I would hear this.
Personal preference I suppose….Where the hell have you been?
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-The fact that Portgas D. Ace's conflict with his blood father Gol D. Roger remained officially unsolved. Until the end of his life he still didn't announce to accept or forgive his father. I don't care how Oda should manage to do it, but this kind of conflict is supposed to end with the protagonist consciously openly concluding. All Oda did was a bit of Garp's comment about Ace truly being Roger's son in Luffy's flashback.
But all that conflict was about Ace and WB, not Roger.
Do you have a slightest idea of what I was talking about?
The said conflict is Ace was hateful and unforgiving toward Roger, and never officially accepted Roger as his father. This was Ace's problem, the key point of his tragedy, and it was never solved efficiently. The point is, while Oda wanted to tell the reader that Ace should accept Roger as his father, via what Garp said about they having the same policy of never running away, he never let Ace, the protagonist, admit it.
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@Aegir:
Do you have a slightest idea of what I was talking about?
The said conflict is Ace was hateful toward Roger, and never officially accepted Roger as his father. This was Ace's problem, the key point of his tragedy, and it was never solved efficiently.
WB never had any psychological conflict.Why did there need to be closure with Ace and Roger? Ace found his place in Whitebeard's crew and with Luffy and Sabo. Everything was supposed to be hunky-dory after the flashback and Ace was all of a sudden going to accept Roger as his father.:getlost:
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Yes I know what you are talking about. What I am saying is that the point of Ace's resentment of his father, in terms of the story, was that he took WB as his father instead. It didn't need to be solved, that would have just complicated the whole interaction between WB and Ace or at least made the story last longer than it needed to. Ace's father was WB that is a crucial point to the story and to make that work it's far simpler to keep Ace from accepting his biological father than to work through it all.
That wasn't said very well but I seem to be having trouble thinking right now, my head's all foggy.
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Why did there need to be closure with Ace and Roger? Ace found his place in Whitebeard's crew and with Luffy and Sabo.
It's all about story-telling. Roger being Ace's father is a large aspect of Ace's life story. In a story, especially a shounen story, if the protagonist has psychological problem that should be solved, it is supposed solved by the protagonist himself. Unfortunately, in this case, Ace's problem toward Roger was underhandedly solved by a side character, Garp.
That's not good writing.Everything was supposed to be hunky-dory after the flashback and Ace was all of a sudden going to accept Roger as his father.:getlost:
If Oda cannot somehow logically manage to let Ace accept it, it's his own fault for driving himself into the corner.
What I am saying is that the point of Ace's resentment of his father, in terms of the story, was that he took WB as his father instead. It didn't need to be solved, that would have just complicated the whole interaction between WB and Ace or at least made the story last longer than it needed to. Ace's father was WB that is a crucial point to the story and to make that work it's far simpler to keep Ace from accepting his biological father than to work through it all.
All this post was proven wrong by Garp saying Ace was truly Roger's son, not only by name, but by personality. That was Oda telling you Ace should accept Roger as his father.
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I think Ace didn't really care about Roger before he died. He was just happy that he had people that loved and cared for him. Ace may have hated Roger, but I believe he could'nt have said anything that would have changed the way things were. Roger's dead and Ace never knew him personally, all he knows is that most of the people he asked about him hated his guts. That hatred was probably passed on to Ace, who in turn probably saw Roger as a horrible person. Because no one said anything positive about Roger, Ace hated him and was ashamed to be related to him.
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@Aegir:
All this post was proven wrong by Garp saying Ace was truly Roger's son, not only by name, but by personality. That was Oda telling you Ace should accept Roger as his father.
I don't understand how Garp saying that makes what I said less valid. Your interpretation of Garp's statement isn't the only one and even if it's true, my main point is that working through all the stuff with ace would have added unnecessary length to the story and been completely irrelevant to the main plot. Ace was not a protagonist, he was a side character.
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I think Ace didn't really care about Roger before he died. He was just happy that he had people that loved and cared for him. Ace may have hated Roger, but I believe he could'nt have said anything that would have changed the way things were.
It's all about execution. It's essentially a matter of execution.
@Louis:I don't understand how Garp saying that makes what I said less valid. Your interpretation of Garp's statement isn't the only one and even if it's true my main point is that working through all the stuff with ace would have added unnecessary length to the story and been completely irrelevant to the main plot.
Actually, this's wrong.
What's the crucial goal? To efficiently solve the conflict you created is the main goal of a story. And don't even think of saying Roger's being Ace's father is irrelevant to the plot.
What's the standard for a necessary length for a story? You don't know what you are talking about. The War Saga spent a huge time describing Ace's inner conflict, and a large part of it involved Roger, just to let it remain officially unsolved. It's unsatisfying and anti-climax. This's in no way good writing.
How long would it take to solve this efficiently? That's all depend on the writer's ability. The war arc, if handled correctly, could be no discernibly longer than it's now even with Ace's acceptance added. -
@Aegir:
Actually, this's wrong.
What's the crucial goal? To efficiently solve the conflict you created is the main goal of a story. And don't even think of saying Roger's being Ace's father is irrelevant to the plot.
What's the standard for a necessary length for a story? You don't know what you are talking about. The War Saga spent a huge time describing Ace's inner conflict toward Roger, just to let it remain officially unsolved. It's unsatisfying and anti-climax. This's in no way good writing.
How long would it take to solve this efficiently? That's all depend on the writer's ability. The war arc, if handled correctly, could be no discernibly longer than it's now even with Ace's acceptance added.Ace's father being Roger is not irrelevant to the plot, Ace finding some way of not hating Roger is. The point of the conflict between Ace and Roger was to cement Ace's love and loyalty to WB.
How could Ace's acceptance of his father have been worked into the arc without seeming pointless and without extending the arc?
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