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Chapter 604: "Into the Depths" Discussion
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^he could, you know, not bother to use it.
I mean it's a flying clown.
He may have simply expected it to die when shredded into pieces.Hmm.. Good point
–--So is there a Possibility that Zoro knows Haki!? and can use it with his Swords...
also why does everyone here assume that the WB Allies havent also gotten stronger in the 2 years timeskip? You dont think after realising how weak they looked compared to admirals ect they wouldnt train??
I look forward to seeing Smoker fight Luffy when he gets to G5 (?) I think they will be Even now that Luffy knows haki! =D
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how am i stupid? cuz i think arlong can beat nami? wow, you're REALLY stupid then. :getlost:
You hate arlong yet you think arlong can beat nami? Quit life.
@45°Dunc:
Drake will be beaten by Chopper.
Real talk.
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightly if Chopper could beat drake.
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Does Mihawk have Haki!? if he did You'd think he'd Kill buggy when he chopped him up in Marineford, right? Yeah he did use his sword, but if he did have Haki he can still channel it into his sword, like Rayleigh did when fighting Admiral Kizaru.. but i just think its strange how the Worlds Strongest Swordsman could get killed if a Logia-Type Pirate fought him.. so surely Mihawk might verywell have Haki? ..Daah!? What Do you guys think!?
Haki doesn't negate DF abilities it just allows you to hit their flesh and blood. Luffy is no longer Rubber when struck by Haki and Logia are not their elements.
Buggy is always a normal flesh and blood human being. His devil fruit doesn't change that it only splits his body when an outside source makes skin contact.
also why does everyone here assume that the WB Allies havent also gotten stronger in the 2 years timeskip? You dont think after realising how weak they looked compared to admirals ect they wouldnt train??
Its harder for older people to get stronger than younger people. They are all already in the prime of their life. If they aren't as strong as Shanks or even Vista by 38 little is going to change when they're 40 or 45.
Pretty sure they all got trounced or put in their place by WB or even a subordinate like Ace a long time ago.
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I think a Smoker and Luffy fight would make sense. A ghin and Sanji fight would be awesome. Franky vs Krieg would really be weird.
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I was just re-reading one piece and found this
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/230/#13
I don't its a coincidence that Usopp used to play around with bugs then he gets sent to a place populated by giant bugs where he could raise then and use them as weapons. It will be just like his fight with Perona only this time the bugs will be giants and real
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/466/#9I find the funniest Coincidence was after Luffy Beat Bellamy and he was running back to the ship but took a long time because he was catching a Horned beetle named. . .Hercules. . .
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That is a really funny coincidence. Nice find, Luph
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That is a really funny coincidence. Nice find, Luph
Yeah, Heres the page
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/235/#3
There was Also an Atlas Bug that he found a few pages before too Probably more foreshadowing I guess.
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That was a great moment. Especially since they only had that chance to catch the knock up stream. Unless they wanted to wait for a long time. It is amazing how happy Luffy is because he caught a bug. Haha
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WB's dream was never to be the strongest, the king or whatever, it was to have a family, so his crew was a collection of all the people he loved and trusted. Except for a few ones (the divisions commanders), the rest is just the level of pirates who could make it to the NW. The real danger was WB himself, he was a real beast, he was certainly able to take the title if he really wanted.
Other crews like Shanks and BB (and then the SH) are made of a few but super powerful/skillful members; the other yonkus are probably also very strong by themselves and have limited but super-powerful crews, else a very well organized hierarchy allowing them to maintain their supremacy over a certain area.
So the SH are certainly not too strong for the NW !
But then there may be some other powerful crews, not the level of yonkus but still able to dispute them some territories.
All that not counting the most powerful marines; if Moria/Crocodile/BB/Kuma were replaced (even if Buggy is now one of them), the SH may fight another 2 or 3 shichibukais in the NW; and some Supernovas who were able to survive in the NW for two years and so have probably improved a lot; and a few "freelance" fighters… -
You hate arlong yet you think arlong can beat nami? Quit life.
no shit, arlong is much more powerful than nami. SHE knows that and thats why she never dared to fight him
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Haki doesn't negate DF abilities it just allows you to hit their flesh and blood. Luffy is no longer Rubber when struck by Haki and Logia are not their elements.
Buggy is always a normal flesh and blood human being. His devil fruit doesn't change that it only splits his body when an outside source makes skin contact.
You're contradicting yourself.
If haki allows to hit the inner self of a DF user, then using haki against Buggy to slice him would just kill him as anyone else.
But for what reason would Mihawk use haki against Buggy ? -
no shit, arlong is much more powerful than nami. SHE knows that and thats why she never dared to fight him
Yeah… like how many chapters ago?
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Nami could barely fight 1 pirate at that time.
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You're contradicting yourself.
If haki allows to hit the inner self of a DF user, then using haki against Buggy to slice him would just kill him as anyone else.
But for what reason would Mihawk use haki against Buggy ?Nobody contradicted themselves since I didn't say anything about inner self.
Buggy's DF makes it so a blade never makes real contact with his body in the first place.
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Yeah… like how many chapters ago?
so what? u actually think she has gotten THAT much stronger? u cant compare her to a fishman like arlong. even at the end of one piece i doubt she will be as strong as arlong. she steals treasure and navigates. shes not a fighter like luffy or zoro
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shes not a fighter like luffy or zoro
I think someone needs to rewatch One Piece starting from Alabasta.
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She took out a DF user. She beat Kalifa, someone Sanji couldn't take out.
Granted Kalifa only beat Sanji because of his morals. Kalifa was still very strong.
Remember where she ranked when Fukoru (I can't remember the name) was stating the power of everyone? -
She ranked at the last place(630 douriki)
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-379/page006.html
..but still Kalifa was an impressing chara to defeat for Nami.I always though defeating Miss Doublefinger, a professional killer, would be something, but with beating Kalifa Nami showed how much potential she has.
She is able to defeat them via a creative way to use her clima-knowledge and with always improved Clima-Takt-Sticks, she rly can go against trained fighters, which i first thought as unrealistic. -
Clima Tactics… I like the ring of it. XD
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Remember all the illusions Nami created?
Kalifa ranked low on a list of Government assassins. Who were among some of the best fighters. Kalifa wasn't far from Blueno or the other low ranks.
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She took out a DF user. She beat Kalifa, someone Sanji couldn't take out.
Granted Kalifa only beat Sanji because of his morals. Kalifa was still very strong.
Remember where she ranked when Fukoru (I can't remember the name) was stating the power of everyone?She was ranked last. Doesn't change the fact that I think Nami could probably beat Arlong with her improved weapon and weather knowledge.
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Kalifa is a top agent.
I mean her father was already at the CP9 and she was trained from her childhood on.
With 630 douriki she still is as strong as 63!! marine soldiers and lets not forget she is the only woman who got a spot in that high professional organisation.So beating her was impressive by Nami..going against a world class agent of the top Cipher Pol the WG has.
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She could beat Arlong.
Flamingo states the same thing I did. It was a strong organization. -
Yeah… like how many chapters ago?
He's right though… Arlong can flip houses with just his brute strength. Arlong is, and most likely always will be, more physically powerful than Nami. Key word; PHYSICALLY. I don't know about pre-time skip, but Nami most likely has the potential, post-time skip, to defeat Arlong using her brains, weather knowledge, and enhanced weapons with ease. However, if he can see through Nami's Mirage Tempos and all of her other tricks and traps, and manages to land a solid clock to her grill, she would probably be down for the count...
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to defeat Arlong using her brains, weather knowledge, and enhanced weapons with ease. However, if he can see through Nami's Mirage Tempos and all of her other tricks and traps, and manages to land a solid clock to her grill, she would probably be down for the count…
True I mean Arlong was pretty intelligent unlike Don Krieg (About the same strength) Plus he knows Nami very well and he would pretty quickly figure out her fighting strategy. Question is would he figure it out quick enough.
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He's right though… Arlong can flip houses with just his brute strength. Arlong is, and most likely always will be, more physically powerful than Nami. Key word; PHYSICALLY. I don't know about pre-time skip, but Nami most likely has the potential, post-time skip, to defeat Arlong using her brains, weather knowledge, and enhanced weapons with ease. However, if he can see through Nami's Mirage Tempos and all of her other tricks and traps, and manages to land a solid clock to her grill, she would probably be down for the count...
yes thats true. nami can defeat arlong with her brains. dont get me wrong, she has made it out of intense fights and she can defeat arlong, but in strength, i doubt she will ever match arlong
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^Weren't you the one saying that Nami would not be able to defeat him?
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^Weren't you the one saying that Nami would not be able to defeat him?
read again. i was talking about strength the whole time. arlong is much stronger than nami, but nami can still beat him
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We need to clarify out that strength doesn't just mean Brawn but overall fighting power,
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http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/126/#16
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/126/#17
I think this was luffy showing signs of haki(CoO):ninja: -
We need to clarify out that strength doesn't just mean Brawn but overall fighting power,
Overall fighting ability might be a better choice of words.
Anyway, I doubt anyone on here cares about that. I've been browsing here for a while now and have seen tons of people call characters like Usopp useless because he wasn't a fighter.
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So if fishmen are 10 times stronger than men, then they have a douriki of…100? Damn Kalifa, kickin ass... Wonder if that means lucchi 40 times stronger than the average fishman. I know this doesnt count for somebody like jinbe.
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@Gia:
So if fishmen are 10 times stronger than men, then they have a douriki of…100? Damn Kalifa, kickin ass... Wonder if that means lucchi 40 times stronger than the average fishman. I know this doesnt count for somebody like jinbe.
Well, Fukoru said that his douriki thing measured them in terms of regular Navy men, not men period. So an average fishman may be even stronger than that.
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Nami defeating Arlong single-handedly would be AMAZING, I would seriously eat that shit up.
Make it happen Oda. Somehow.
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yes thats true. nami can defeat arlong with her brains. dont get me wrong, she has made it out of intense fights and she can defeat arlong, but in strength, i doubt she will ever match arlong
The Straw Hats aren't the only ones who can become stronger… Arlong might still be almost as strong as Zoro. (I don't think it's the case, but it's not impossible)
But of course, the actual Nami would (easily?) beat the old Arlong. -
Well all Arlong did was prey on a weak village with pretty much no fighters at all for eight years. If he did somehow manage to escape getting into prison, I doubt he'd do that again.
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Epic nosebleeds :D
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so what? u actually think she has gotten THAT much stronger? u cant compare her to a fishman like arlong. even at the end of one piece i doubt she will be as strong as arlong. she steals treasure and navigates. shes not a fighter like luffy or zoro
you are hilarious.
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Weither you win a fight through Brains or Brawn if you win you win.
Nami vs Arlong in an Arm Wrestling match is vastly different with Nami vs Arlong with all their abilities and techniques.
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It's a fairly common problem for some people around here to equate "strength" with "number of punches to the face you can take."
Anyway, I doubt anyone on here cares about that. I've been browsing here for a while now and have seen tons of people call characters like Usopp useless because he wasn't a fighter.
Well, don't let the idiots blind you from the fact that there are a number of intelligent people around here, as well.
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It's a fairly common problem for some people around here to equate "strength" with "number of punches to the face you can take."
Not sure why :blink:
Well, don't let the idiots blind you from the fact that there are a number of intelligent people around here, as well.
I think a few people just get a little too excited get shot down and don't gain anything from their interaction with forum members on this site. Although the manner some go about educating others can leave a lot to be desired.
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I think Arlong can still be considered pretty damn strong. As far as we know, he was one of the higher-ranking members of the Sunny Pirates. The Sunny Pirates rank pretty high on the "badass" chart.
Not to mention:
Arlong: Formerly Jinbe's equal[1]
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Weither you win a fight through Brains or Brawn if you win you win.
Nami vs Arlong in an Arm Wrestling match is vastly different with Nami vs Arlong with all their abilities and techniques.
i was never talkig about winning a battle, i was saying arlong is obviously physically stronger than nami.
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i was never talkig about winning a battle, i was saying arlong is obviously physically stronger than nami.
Well we all thank you kindly for that observation.
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so what? u actually think she has gotten THAT much stronger? u cant compare her to a fishman like arlong. even at the end of one piece i doubt she will be as strong as arlong. she steals treasure and navigates. shes not a fighter like luffy or zoro
i was never talkig about winning a battle, i was saying arlong is obviously physically stronger than nami.
That's the direction you're getting to.
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Rahh Rahh Rahh Im gunna tame him!
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I mean Nami fought pretty well in the battle with 200 captains at Enies Lobby (Of course the fighting ability attached to the title "captain" seems to vary alot, I mean non of of them were as strong as Smoker, even without his Devil Fruit Ability, oh on a related subject who do you think is going to replace Aokiji since he was permoted to fleet admiral. I vote Smoker hands down, he just needs to learn Haki.)