Sanji will eventually be able to utilize his nosebleed as a rocket and travel quite some distance. On another note, who else thinks that Caimie will somehow be kidnapped/captured again some time at FI?
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
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One day, everyone will understand that the Compass Birds are in fact the most important clue to the Void Century.
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Sanji will eventually be able to utilize his nosebleed as a rocket and travel quite some distance. On another note, who else thinks that Caimie will somehow be kidnapped/captured again some time at FI?
She probably already is.
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@Superbear:
What? Dude he has a Devil fruit; this isn't Naruto where set abilities can be twisted and changed at the last minute to fit the plot.
Besides there hasn't been any proof that Color of armaments or conquer, only one to cut people, and if it was haki then Crocodile should have been permanently decapitated.
It's only an assumption, it's not really a dogmatic belief. I was just suggesting a unique possibility. How do you know if it's even a devil fruit? If CP9 never explained their rokushiki techniques then people would be left to assume that they were the result of some kind of devil fruit as well. I mean come on, we're left guessing that Doflamingo throws some universal DF string around. Be a little open minded please.
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I'm still rooting for the fact that the ancient kingdom's name begins with D.
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I was just suggesting a unique possibility.
But that possibility is flawed because of what I stated in the last post.
If CP9 never explained their rokushiki techniques then people would be left to assume that they were the result of some kind of devil fruit as well.
Well no because the double devil fruit clause exists and I think if people saw characters running around turning into leopards, wolves, and excreting soap bubbles from bodies, they would assume those are devil fruit powers over shooting compressed air.
I mean come on, we're left guessing that Doflamingo throws some universal DF string around.
You make it sound like that's an outrageous idea, where it very well could be that very thing. I mean Devil fruits aren't exactly sensible and or logical to begin with, I mean look at Moriah; kage kage no mi makes no sense what's so ever.
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@Superbear:
But that possibility is flawed because of what I stated in the last post.
Well no because the double devil fruit clause exists and I think if people saw characters running around turning into leopards, wolves, and excreting soap bubbles from bodies, they would assume those are devil fruit powers over shooting compressed air.
You make it sound like that's an outrageous idea, where it very well could be that very thing. I mean Devil fruits aren't exactly sensible and or logical to begin with, I mean look at Moriah; kage kage no mi makes no sense what's so ever.
My point is that doflamingo could be using some non-DF techniques, which is why this supposed DF has never been revealed. Wouldn't it be just like Oda to have us forming assumptions only to surprise us later? People are trying to correlate controlling people with severing a giants leg with one DF power when it could be two separate techniques. Anyways my point about CP9 is that if you initially saw just one using geppo, ryanku, and soru you would try to piece them together as being the effects of an air fruit or something. We don't have enough to go on.
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@Mr.:
My point is that doflamingo could be using some non-DF techniques, which is why this supposed DF has never been revealed. Wouldn't it be just like Oda to have us forming assumptions only to surprise us later? People are trying to correlate controlling people with severing a giants leg with one DF power when it could be two separate techniques. Anyways my point about CP9 is that if you initially saw just one using geppo, ryanku, and soru you would try to piece them together as being the effects of an air fruit or something. We don't have enough to go on.
Actually when Oda has us guess and guess throughout the years you will notice he gives us very good information and allows us to piece it together correctly in the end. Just like every little hint about Haki or Kuma, he gave little hints here and there, and eventually with logical reasoning most everyone came up with the correct result.
Same thing with Doflamingo, there has been consistant enough hints to what his power is. Thats how Oda likes to do it, so things don't seem to be pulled out of his butt when it is actually revealed. Not saying there won't be a twist to the ability, but its some kind of string/puppetry fruit for sure.
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@Mr.:
It's only an assumption, it's not really a dogmatic belief. I was just suggesting a unique possibility. How do you know if it's even a devil fruit? If CP9 never explained their rokushiki techniques then people would be left to assume that they were the result of some kind of devil fruit as well. I mean come on, we're left guessing that Doflamingo throws some universal DF string around. Be a little open minded please.
Oda has recently stated that there won't be any magic or anything really impossible (power wise) aside from strength in the series, aside from devil fruits obviously, can anyone cite this for me?
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because..magic have no place in OP
only knowledge.about the shichibukais origins
we only know about Boa and Jimbei
Boa = Grand Line
Jimbe = Grand Lineand the rest ?..Moriah is from the west blue ?
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Oda has recently stated that there won't be any magic or anything really impossible (power wise) aside from strength in the series, aside from devil fruits obviously, can anyone cite this for me?
It's a devil fruit.Haki/devil fruits/rokushiki/ect are all impossible. Please do let me know if you find any quote from Oda saying that. Like I said, It could be a form of haki and not random magic….
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Everyone from the Ancient Kingdom had the initial D, and the Will of D are the people who are the sole survivors of that kingdom
Putting money down on it right now.
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@Mr.:
Haki/devil fruits/rokushiki/ect are all impossible. Please do let me know if you find any quote from Oda saying that. Like I said, It could be a form of haki and not random magic….
It can't be Haki at all, because he cut Crocodile and Crocodile remained unharmed.
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@Superbear:
It can't be Haki at all, because he cut Crocodile and Crocodile remained unharmed.
Vista supposedly cut akainu with haki yet he remained unharmed.
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@Mr.:
Vista supposedly cut akainu with haki yet he remained unharmed.
That's probably because Akainu has Haki so he could have used color of armaments to protect himself from taking damage.
Besides Vista is a swordsmen who uses Haki Don has no sword nor has there been an instance where anyone was ever cut by a swordless Haki infused blow.
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@Mr.:
Haki/devil fruits/rokushiki/ect are all impossible. Please do let me know if you find any quote from Oda saying that. Like I said, It could be a form of haki and not random magic….
Spiel specifically used magic. He could fly on a broom and light people on fire. I don't know where it is, but Oda has said that that magic will never be used in One Piece. Rokushiki and the like aren't magic, just special skills. A lot of weird shit still happens in OP, it's just not magic.
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Spiel specifically used magic. He could fly on a broom and light people on fire. I don't know where it is, but Oda has said that that magic will never be used in One Piece. Rokushiki and the like aren't magic, just special skills. A lot of weird shit still happens in OP, it's just not magic.
This is true. Dials, Pop greens, vita cards, cyborgs,etc are all technology or some form of nature everything else is either a special skill or a Devil fruit ability.
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@Superbear:
That's probably because Akainu has Haki so he could have used color of armaments to protect himself from taking damage.
Besides Vista is a swordsmen who uses Haki Don has no sword nor has there been an instance where anyone was ever cut by a swordless Haki infused blow.
Interesting how suddenly it's official that akainu and aokiji used CoA to avoid the haki attacks. We still don't know how they were able to withstand those attacks…
I'll go with it anyways just so I can say: maybe crocodile used CoA too.:silly:
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@Mr.:
Interesting how suddenly it's official that akainu and aokiji used CoA to avoid the haki attacks. We still don't know how they were able to withstand those attacks…
I'll go with it anyways just so I can say: maybe crocodile used CoA too.:silly:
Heh you know it was said when Coby was in the hospital by the doctor that all vice admirals and up can use Haki (color armaments),also the three admirals together formed a CoA bubble to block White beard's quake punch at one point. Crocodile as we know him now doesn't have any form of Haki what so ever.
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The will of D is the ability to talk to animals… no run the ship Pluton. Like full ahead coco.
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When the admirals got attacked, I had thought they had used something like CoO to know where they were going to get struck and had their bodies move to avoid getting hit at all.
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Franky is now able to shoot real homing missiles from his shoulders.
You have the coolest avatar & sig I've seen yet
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Franky will be able to use!
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Here is one, I doubt Oda would not let Luffy fight Magellan again, so I think that Magellan has left Impel down in control of Hannybal and gone to pursue the level 6 escapees and shiryu as well as Luffy who dishonored him. I think that Magellan officially joined the marines during timeskip and is quite possibly the new third admiral. I base this off of sengoku's concern and respect for magellan. http://www.mangareader.net/103-50569-14/one-piece/chapter-581.html
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Here is one, I doubt Oda would not let Luffy fight Magellan again, so I think that Magellan has left Impel down in control of Hannybal and gone to pursue the level 6 escapees and shiryu as well as Luffy who dishonored him. I think that Magellan officially joined the marines during timeskip and is quite possibly the new third admiral. I base this off of sengoku's concern and respect for magellan. http://www.mangareader.net/103-50569-14/one-piece/chapter-581.html
maybe magellan and sengoku are going around killing the level 6 that escaped
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maybe magellan and sengoku are going around killing the level 6 that escaped
Well I have been thinking and Magellan really is the only marine affiliated guy I can think of that is strong enough to be Admiral that would want the position.
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Well I have been thinking and Magellan really is the only marine affiliated guy I can think of that is strong enough to be Admiral that would want the position.
Magellan would get raped easily by anyone with an ability that means they dont have to touch him physically. Kidd could kick his ass, ANY logia. Alright fair enough powers like that are quite rare but not rare enough that he'd be undefeated for very long =/
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Magellan would get raped easily by anyone with an ability that means they dont have to touch him physically. Kidd could kick his ass, ANY logia. Alright fair enough powers like that are quite rare but not rare enough that he'd be undefeated for very long =/
I disagree, Magellan is probably one of the best at using fruit powers, i mean his power is to produce poison, yet he has mastered it to a degree where he has tons of different poison types and can manipulate it away from his body, his original power probably only allowed his body to secrete poison.
We have yet to see a single person take down magellan, I mean he beat Iva easily who apparently is stronger than Kuma. Luffy did less damage to magellan even with the candle than he did to blackbeard. As for Kid, kid needs metal objects around and even then, that final poison magellan used melted objects as well. Though Jozu could probably have the advantage against magellan, very few fruit powers aside from logias would which does not matter since none of the strawhats have a logia and we will mainly see the admirals going after Strawhats.
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I disagree, Magellan is probably one of the best at using fruit powers, i mean his power is to produce poison, yet he has mastered it to a degree where he has tons of different poison types and can manipulate it away from his body, his original power probably only allowed his body to secrete poison.
We have yet to see a single person take down magellan, I mean he beat Iva easily who apparently is stronger than Kuma. Luffy did less damage to magellan even with the candle than he did to blackbeard. As for Kid, kid needs metal objects around and even then, that final poison magellan used melted objects as well. Though Jozu could probably have the advantage against magellan, very few fruit powers aside from logias would which does not matter since none of the strawhats have a logia and we will mainly see the admirals going after Strawhats.
Agreed. You guys are underestimating Magellan and should rewatch Impel Down if you think he's weak. I'm not sure I would put him at Admiral level, but maybe just below.
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Magellan only lost to the same crew that, you know, KILLED Whitebeard.
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Agreed. You guys are underestimating Magellan and should rewatch Impel Down if you think he's weak. I'm not sure I would put him at Admiral level, but maybe just below.
I agree though I can't think of anyone else who would be close to strong enough to fill the last admiral spot and would have the drive(to chase the level six prisoners) Most of the strong Vice Admirals were Vice Admirals 20 years ago and I think are stuck at that position, though we will just have to wait and see, if magellan is a marine now, I am sure he will come after the Strawhats soon enough to regain his honor. Sengoku did say he was a man of honor or something like that.
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@ <nico:< small="">> Magellan only lost to the same crew that, you know, KILLED Whitebeard.
And Magellan was already at his limit from secreting poison. To say he was in top shape isn't true,</nico:<>
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And Magellan was already at his limit from secreting poison. To say he was in top shape isn't true,
If he killed Bon Kurei then he deserved to get ambushed. I'm sure Bon-chan isn't dead though, so i wish the best for Magellan.
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Bon Clay is alive.
He must have been saved by other Newkamas who stayed behind.
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Bon Clay is alive.
He must have been saved by other Newkamas who stayed behind.
At the end of the series, it seems Luffy is executed by the WG except at the last second we see Bon Clay's trademark smile before dying.Good thing you're not writing One Piece :getlost:
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It's people like you that give 2010 people a bad name. Go to hell.
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Agreed. You guys are underestimating Magellan and should rewatch Impel Down if you think he's weak. I'm not sure I would put him at Admiral level, but maybe just below.
Magellan didn't show much real combat skills besides the horn things. By all accounts, he just stands there and shoots streams of poison out at the enemy. He came off strong, because either they couldn't get pass his defenses (Luffy), literally can not dodge anything and takes 2x pain (Blackbeard) or could but became a complete idiot when fighting him (Ivankov).
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@S.C.:
Magellan didn't show much real combat skills besides the horn things. By all accounts, he just stands there and shoots streams of poison out at the enemy. He came off strong, because either they couldn't get pass his defenses (Luffy), literally can not dodge anything and takes 2x pain (Blackbeard) or could but became a complete idiot when fighting him (Ivankov).
He honed his DF to the point that not even Enraged Luffy (more powerful than regular Luffy) was able to figure out a way to defeat him. He essentially gave two shichubukai, Luffy, two revolutionaries and Mr. 1 all a run for their money. Not even together they thought about taking him on. To say he isn't powerful is ridiculous.
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He honed his DF to the point that not even Enraged Luffy (more powerful than regular Luffy) was able to figure out a way to defeat him. He essentially gave two shichubukai, Luffy, two revolutionaries and Mr. 1 all a run for their money. Not even together they thought about taking him on. To say he isn't powerful is ridiculous.
I know what he means though it's hard to place magellan, he's not STRONG but he's DANGEROUS I think would be the best way to put it. If you can counter his poison, he's fucked. Things such as the candlewall technique or CoA will rape him.
√ or X?
1\. Rayleigh dies (?) 2\. Jimbei Joins (?), 3\. Buggy offered shichibukai (?)
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It's people like you that give 2010 people a bad name. Go to hell.
Luffy said "Why do you always need to sacrifice yourself for me ?"
We have not seen Bon Clay passing away with our own eyes (mandatory).
It is not impossible a third time could happen.
To be honest, I think Luffy dying would be such a good ending that scream no sequel like "One Piece GT". I would pick this ending.
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Magellan is definitely strong, he was chosen to watch over the worlds most dangerous prisoners for a reason, he has shown logia like control over his df, and the only reason he lost is because he was fighting a crew of 10, one of which being a schichibukai, and one being a really strong swordsman, honestly I do not think an admiral would have been able to be standing after having all those battles one after another, ecspecially if they fought BB twice. Magellan is definitely at least at the level of a strong WB commander.
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I know what he means though it's hard to place magellan, he's not STRONG but he's DANGEROUS I think would be the best way to put it. If you can counter his poison, he's fucked. Things such as the candlewall technique or CoA will rape him.
The candlewall technique "raped" him? Hardly. All Magellan did was strengthen his poison and he was easily able to get past it. That and we have no way of knowing if Magellan is familiar with Haki, considering has to keep extremely dangerous criminals behind bars he probably is familiar with it to at least some degree.
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He honed his DF to the point that not even Enraged Luffy (more powerful than regular Luffy) was able to figure out a way to defeat him. He essentially gave two shichubukai, Luffy, two revolutionaries and Mr. 1 all a run for their money. Not even together they thought about taking him on. To say he isn't powerful is ridiculous.
Powerful? Sure. But, not as much as people think.
Oda, in order to cause a sense of urgency, had to make everybody involved an idiot. Jinbe & Ivankov, people who fight using pressure waves, an ideal attack against him, suddenly forget to use them. Crocodile, a man who can absorb liquids, doesn't even bother. Mr. 1 & Inazuma, who can make metal out of their bodies, can't do anything (Of course, he is Hollywood Poison, which for some reason, is amazingly corrosive), Luffy, finally finding a way to combat him, has to deal with Magellan pulling the ultimate poison out of his ass. The rest of the Blackbeards, who don't share his handicap, suddenly can't dodge a huge wave.
That alone, is kind of why I don't like the end of Impel Down, as Magellan went from powerful to full-on Monster Heel.
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@S.C.:
Powerful? Sure. But, not as much as people think.
Oda, in order to cause a sense of urgency, had to make everybody involved an idiot. Jinbe & Ivankov, people who fight using pressure waves, an ideal attack against him, suddenly forget to use them. Crocodile, a man who can absorb liquids, doesn't even bother. Mr. 1 & Inazuma, who can make metal out of their bodies, can't do anything (Of course, he is Hollywood Poison, which for some reason, is amazingly corrosive), Luffy, finally finding a way to combat him, has to deal with Magellan pulling the ultimate poison out of his ass. The rest of the Blackbeards, who don't share his handicap, suddenly can't dodge a huge wave.
That alone, is kind of why I don't like the end of Impel Down, as Magellan went from powerful to full-on Monster Heel.
It would be very clever of Croc to absorb poison, wouldn't it?
Hollywood poison? You ever heard of devil fruits being trained? There are poisons that are corrosive
Yeah, he is going to pull out one of his powerful moves right off the bat.
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Hollywood poison? You ever heard of devil fruits being trained? There are poisons that are corrosive
Not enough to melt rock and steel like his.
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@S.C.:
Not enough to melt rock and steel like his.
You what? People can cut steel and rocks with swords, can punch through steel, and can seperate steel with a kick (Rankyaku) and you're finding it hard to believe that there can be poison corrosive enough to melt steel and rocks in One Piece.
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You what? People can cut steel and rocks with swords, can punch through steel, and can seperate steel with a kick (Rankyaku) and you're finding it hard to believe that there can be poison corrosive enough to melt steel and rocks in One Piece.
Yeah Oda makes sure that everything is exactly like it is in the real world, poison needs to have the same corrosion strength as it has in the real world.:getlost:Because it's not poison, just super Acid with some aftereffects. Which, some authors think is both the same thing. Is it that important? No, but it's still annoying. Like connecting Magma and Fire, for some reason.
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@S.C.:
Because it's not poison, just super Acid with some aftereffects. Which, some authors think is both the same thing. Is it that important? No, but it's still annoying. Like connecting Magma and Fire, for some reason.
You can get corrosive poison. If someone like Magellan has trained himself so that one of his poisons has a corrosive level similar to an acid, so what? You'd probably get annoyed if Zoro starts cutting diamonds? Oh my god, how does that work? Isn't diamond a harder substance than steel?
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You can get corrosive poison. If someone like Magellan has trained himself so that one of his poisons has a corrosive level similar to an acid, so what? You'd probably get annoyed if Zoro starts cutting diamonds? Oh my god, how does that work? Isn't diamond a harder substance than steel?
Yes, but Zoro is such a bad ass that it wouldn't come under question.
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Yes, but Zoro is such a bad ass that it wouldn't come under question.
And? Magellan is a pansy is he? Try and understand what I'm getting at, will you?:getlost: People should use their imagination. If everything was limited to reality then One Piece wouldn't be One Piece. If people are getting annoyed by poison being really corrosive then they should be prepared to be annoyed even further later on in the series.
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Well, I hardly post/come up with any theories/predictions of my own and I don't really know if this is more fan-fiction than theory, but here goes. Also, sometimes I find it really hard to describe my theories to a 3rd party and that (to me) understanding it flows better if I put it in a Dialogue format between characters like taking an excerpt from a story. I sincerely apologize in advance for this if it leads to any confusion, but please bear with me. I also apologize if my theory/dialogue format is long. I sincerely look forward to feedback and reviews.
takes deep breathI believe/theorize that Vegapunk is truly the one in control of the World Government and not the Gorousei and that Vegapunk was also the one who manipulated the Whitebeard War, the Impel Down Chaos, and Luffy's actions since his separation from his crew in order to quadruple the strength of the World Government and for his own benefits.
In Chapter 596, page 13, panel 3 (after Franky finds Vegapunk's hidden laboratory.) Franky studies what Vegapunks has previously researched and says the following:
"This is amazing…He studied everything from battleships to Human Cells...His brain must really be something."
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[/hide]"Human Cells…"
Which brings me to my main theory. Vegapunk is no fool, he must of already known of luffy's heritage/bloodline long before it was announced to the world at Marineford. Taking that into account, as well as Vegapunk's conclusion that Luffy most likely possesses The King's Haki as a "D" carrier, I believe that Vegapunk approached the Gorousei almost immediately after they received word of Portgas D. Ace's defeat and arrest by Pirate Blackbeard and proposed a deal to the elders: To Make War.
My Dialogue Excerpt Below between the Gorousei and Vegapunk:[hide]
Vegapunk: Hey Hey Hey there, Gorousei-sans! How's life on the throne of the world been treating ya, huh? Want some more of it?
The Gorousei: Vegapunk! How dare you barge into our chamber unannounced! What do you want?
Vegapunk: Well, a little birdy came by and told me how you have a special prisoner in your hands right now; and I have just happen to have an equally special proposition for ya!
The Gorousei: Hmm?
Vegapunk: You're planning on killing the kid anyway, right? We'll let's play that to our advantage!
The Gorousei: That's what you came to tell us? To execute Portgas D. Ace? You should know better, Vegapunk. Even if he is the son of Roger, who do you thinks been protecting him all these years? Newgate is not a man who would allow such a thing to pass, or do you plan on fighting the world's strongest man yourself?
Vegapunk: No No No, of course not! I'm only a single man! What can I possibly do against a monster like that?! But what if I told you that my proposition would essentially triple, no quadruple the government's strength and influence over the world to the point where the revolutionaries are no longer a threat?
The Gorousei: ! W-What?
Vegapunk: sigh That's so like you, Gorousei. Always afraid of what you don't understand. Roger's bloodline! The Will of D! The strength of the Yonkou! It's because you continue to fear these things that the government hasn't advanced in power recently, and that's why the movement of those silly revolutionaries is growing! We need to embrace these aspects gentlemen, not exterminate them! So let's execute the Ace-boy and extinguish Roger's bloodline!
The Gorousei: You're not making any sense, Vegapunk! Enough games, what exactly do you want?!
Vegapunk: I'm glad you asked, how this for wants? You WILL announce the upcoming public execution of Whitebeard Pirates Second Division Commander Portgas D. Ace at the city of Marineford, the home of Marine HQ, at a scheduled date and time of my choosing. If the Old Fool decides to intervene and mount a rescue attempt, let him. It's better that way, especially if he brings any sort of New World allies with him. Additionally, you will also recall all stationed Marines of all significant ranks, every last one, as well as all active Shichibukai members, back to Marine HQ in order to meet Whitebeard's forces in battle. What I'm asking for gentlemen, is in short, complete and utter war between the Whitebeard Pirates, The Marine HQ, and the Shichibukai!
The Gorousei: Asking for war?! Do you have any idea how many Marine casualties we'll have on our hands if we go through with something like that?! The balance of power we have strived to maintain would collapse! And how would that better the government, exactly?!
Vegapunk: Must I spell it out for you?! Think about it. Fleet Admiral "Sengoku the Budda", Vice Admiral "Garp the Hero", and our beloved Admirals! You know yourself how exceptionally rare it is to find marines who possess the necessary strength and willpower needed to fight on par with and surpass individuals such as these! Two-thirds of all marine soldiers are nameless grunts! That's why you commissioned me to construct the pacifistas for, wasn't it?! Meanwhile, those who do possess these talents are either turning to piracy and joining the ranks of "Whitebeard" and "Red Hair", or they're joining the revolutionaries and working against us underneath "Dragon"! Need I remind you that just the other day your beloved "CP9", of who you had so much confidence in, had their asses handed to them by a child who has an IQ lower than most stationary furniture! In order for the World Government to survive the "New Era" then the mindless peon masses just won't do! And that's why this war is a necessity!
The Gorousei: …...
Vegapunk: I'm sure you're all well aware of my strides in the biological research of the human cell. Which brings me to my main point. While everyone's running around trying to either save the Ace-boy or kill him, I can analyze and copy the cells, strength, speed, agility, and devil fruit powers of virtually every individual present in this "war' and use the recorded data of their DNA and cells to begin biologically creating new "human weapons" who posses the attributes and abilities of multiple Admirals, Shichibukai, and New World Pirates on a large scale; with every last one of these "created soldiers" under our complete control! Even replicating their very memories for better infiltration!
The Gorousei: !!!!!!! W-W-What did you say?!
Vegapunk: Imagine it gentlemen, what the World Government's power would be if we replace every worthless marine soldier or government agent with biological beings with the strength of men such as Garp or "Hawk-eye"! defeating gods like "Whitebeard" or "Dragon" would be a simple task!
The Gorousei: Y-You can do this?!
Vegapunk: Of course! Who do you think I am?! I already possess the technology required, all I need is your approval to start this war. And while I have your attention, this "Luffy" child who the government is so concerned with, since he was naughty enough to wreck our dear Enies Lobby, let's have him do most of the dirty work!
The Gorousei: ?! What do you mean? [/hide]
And now for the last part, where Luffy's involvement comes in:
My Dialogue Excerpt Below between the Gorousei and Vegapunk, continued:
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Vegapunk: This "Straw Hat Luffy" Child and the special prisoner you now have in your possession, "Fire-First Ace" grew up together as blood brothers without the "blood". If we announce the Public execution of "Fire-Fist", he will undoubtedly try to save him. Just look at what he did to Enies Lobby and your "Buster Call". If he went to such lengths to retrieve a mere crew mate, think of how far he would go for his brother? We should at least use his reckless disposition to our advantage.
The Gorousei: And how would we go about doing that? Please do enlighten us, Vegapunk.
Vegapunk: With Pleasure. The next destination the Straw Hat crew must reach after leaving Water 7 is Fishman Island, correct? Well, in order to do that one must first stop at the Sabaody Archipelago to have their ship coated. It just so happens that the Sabaody Archipelago is also where the Tenryuubito travel for their Slave Auctions, right? Well, given this child's previous actions, you can almost certainly foresee disaster in that area and then-
The Gorousei: You believe the Straw Hat Pirates will attack the Tenryuubito?!
Vegapunk: Yes, and don't interrupt me. As I was saying, as per old agreement between the Tenryuubito and Marine HQ, and Admiral will most likely be sent to deal with the mess. While this occurs, I will send "Shichibukai" Bartholomew Kuma to intervene, using his "Nikyu Nikyu No Mi" powers to separate the "Straw Hats" to different Islands. Where they are sent to, I don't really care. Except for the Luffy-boy. You see, I can personally instruct Kuma to specifically send him the Isle of Women, Amazon Lily. That's the home of the "Pirate Empress", right? If the Luffy kid really does attack the Tenryuubito I can guarantee you that he will make an ally of the Pirate Empress and Kuja warriors as well, and during that time a-
The Gorousei: WHAT?! Your "Plan" is to have Straw Hat Luffy not only attack the Tenryuubito and shame the government once more, but make an ally with Shichibukai as well?!
Vegapunk: Yes, and if you shut up and let me finish you'll see why. And I already told you once not to interrupt me. When the Pirate Empress allies herself to Straw Hat Luffy, and when Straw Hat Luffy learns of the fate of his captive sibling, then, and only then, will he try to save him from death. Around the time that this occurs, the Marines will naturally attempt to gather the "Shichibukai" at Marineford and will send out a Marine vessel to retrieve the Pirate Empress, as I previously stated. Naturally, out of their partnership, it can be expected that the Pirate Empress will "smuggle" or otherwise attempt to "hide" the Straw Hat boy on this marine vessel, and set sail for the prison "Impel Down", which is where the Ace boy will be kept until his transfer to "Marine HQ". Upon arrival at the great prision, it can be expected that "Straw Hat Luffy" will break into the fortress, inciting a massive riot within the prison and ultimately breaking back out of Impel Down with-
The Gorousei: ARE YOU INSANE?!!! YOU WANT "STRAW HAT" TO DESTROY IMPEL DOWN ITSELF AND FREE EVERY INMATE THE GOVERNMENT HAS SPENT DECADES TRYING TO IMPRISON?! YOU'RE RAVING MAD!! WHAT MAKES YOU THINK WE'LL AGREE TO ANY PART OF YOUR LUDICROUSLY CALLED "PLAN"?! HUH? VEGAPUNK!
Vegapunk: …. uneducated "children" like you have no right to threaten me. Since when, exactly, has any plan I proposed to you failed? I'm a smart man, you do realize this, right? Smart enough to know the truth of the "800 year void!"
The Gorousei: Y-You…Wouldn't Dare...
Vegapunk: Then let me finish. The reason I ask of this is simple. I understand the difficulties the government has spent to secure the criminals, but that's all. They sit in their cells, rotting. We might as well make them have more of a purpose to us than just gathering dust before they die. Any prisoners that escape we can add to my "Cell Data" and just eradicate them later once my project is finished. But we need to have "the doggy chase the bone" by drawing "Straw Hat" and the inmates to Marineford so I can accurately copy their cells and Devil Fruit powers. That's why, after the chaos begins, you will begin the process of transfering the Ace boy to Marine HQ for his execution. of course, I'll also make a copy of not only Straw Hat Luffy's abilities and powers, but the ablities and Devil Fruit powers of his entire crew as well. By time I'm done, we won't need to imprison them again. So it doesn't matter who escapes, because they will all prove to be useful. The Gorousei: …..
Vegapunk: Sigh I can tell that you still have your doubts, so lets' make a wager. The Straw Hat Pirates want to reach Fishman Island, correct? Then there is a good chance that they'll reach "Thriller Bark" in the Florian Triangle on the way. If I recall correctly, "Thriller Bark" is the pirate ship of "Shichibukai" Gecko Moira. So how's this? If the Luffy boy defeats another one of your precious Shichibukai, then you'll do things my way. If he doesn't I'll do things your way. That's a fair deal, right? You can even send other Shichibukai after him, but it won't work, that child is not to be underestimated. So I'll take my leave for now and let you mull things over, but do please come back to me when your Shichibukai is crushed. I'm on a tight schedule.
The Gorousei: Wait, Vegapunk! Your proposition…how long would it take you to compete it?
Vegapunk:....If you want half-assed shit, then 6 months. If you want perfection, two years.
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That was A LOT. Looking it over, it really DOES sound like more of a Fan-Fiction than an actual solid, concrete theory, but then again, it's always nice to come here and share my ideas and speculation. :happy: :happy:
Again I apologize for the sheer length, but I kinda put a lot of though into this, as it would explain not only why the Gorousei was so afraid of Moria being defeated that they sent Kuma to aid him, but also why the Gorousei contacted Kuma later on through Den-Den Mushi to confirm their fears. This also explains why the Pacifistas have not been upgraded in the last past two years and would give the Straw Hats a bigger challenge since the Pacifista are now fodder for them (at least for the monster trio). I also don't believe that Vegapunk would sit around with his thumb up his ass and not produce/create anything new since the Pacifistas. We know that Vegapunk has done extensive research on the origin/function of Devil Fruits, so I believe that after two years, he can create copies of the same devil fruits before the current user of that devil fruit power dies (like Blackbeard using two devil fruits), allowing the World Government to duplicate extremely powerful Devil Fruits, like Akainu's magma fruit and Jozu's Diamond Fruit and for high ranking marines/government members to wield multiple devil fruits, making them even more of a challenge for New World pirates, even for the Yonkou. This tilts the balance of power in the World Government's direction, who are the primary antagonists of the One Piece World.
In order to avoid arguments of "so you want Vegapunk to create an army of Yonkou-class pirates, that's way too overpowered/hax", lol; allow me to be more precise. This project, called the "Predator Program" would take the DNA, cells, strength, speed, agility and Devil Fruit powers of almost every major powerhouse that participated in the Whitebeard War/Impel Down Escape and, IN MY OPINION, create two classes of "Predators":
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Normal Predators: The Mass army. Created from the DNA, cells, strength, speed, agility and Devil Fruit powers of New World captains like Whitebeard's 43 allies and all the Marine Vice-Admirals except for Garp. Roughly equal in strength to the 11 Supernovas.
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Super-Predators: The Elite Strongest and Very Rare to create. Created from the DNA, cells, strength, speed, agility and Devil Fruit powers of Vice-Admiral Garp, the 3 Admirals, the Fleet Admirals, all Shichibukai (past and present) except Blackbeard, all Yonkou, all Supernovas, and the Straw Hats Pirates (except for Brook). Roughly equal in strength to the Yonkou. Only 4 Super-Predators would be created, like there were 4 Yonkou in the New World.
Also, this would brilliantly demonstrate Vegapunks' intellect by being the only person to not only correctly predict, but also use Luffy's random, reckless, and unpredictable behavior to his advantage by turning not only the whole Whitebeard War, but also the massive Impel Down disgrace and breakout into a major jackpot advantage for the World Government. This would make the "New World" a far more dangerous place and also serve to prepare the World Government for the "World Wide War" that Whitebeard predicted was coming before his death. Lastly, by sending Kuma to help the Straw Hat Pirates "escape", and given the deal with Kuma over protecting the Thousand Sunny last chapter, it would present the false illusion that Vegapunk is allied with Dragon and the revolutionaries.
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What do you guys think? :ninja: :ninja:
Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
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