@Zik:
LMAO @ Kuja = 9 being a legitimate reason Hancock was a candidate.
Same with the change room scene in Louge Town, people keep forgetting that this isn't a Dan Brown novel.
@Zik:
LMAO @ Kuja = 9 being a legitimate reason Hancock was a candidate.
Same with the change room scene in Louge Town, people keep forgetting that this isn't a Dan Brown novel.
I think Oda should have titled this chapter "The Ninth" and effectively trolled everyone.
How many terrible posts are you going to make in this thread?
Personally, I would think the nine thing would hold just a bit more water than a one-panel changing scene that happened four hundred chapters ago. I still don't know how they came up with that one.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed it but I think there may be a double meaning to the gag Oda has been playing w/ Zoro since the reunion at SA.
There is NO double meaning in that gag, it's just Zoro's funny way of boasting how he was the first to arrive at SA.
The fact that Zoro calls himself the first and Luffy is the ninth makes me think this could be Oda's subtle little way of telling us that Luffy is actually included in the overall ten nakama. Also the fact that Luffy just learned haki and did his training around AL makes me think the idea of him being number 9 (kuja) makes more and more sense.
Hugelol. The captain is never counted as a "crewmate", that's a fact. That's like saying a father can be counted as a son.
As far as I was concerned the fact that 9 was associated with AL was one of the only reasons Hancock seemed a slightly legitimate candidate for nakama despite the whole love gag. The idea that Luffy can now take that mantle is interesting to me.
Oh god…no more comments...I won't feed this stupid fire called "hancock for nakama being possible"
@Zik:
LMAO @ Kuja = 9 being a legitimate reason Hancock was a candidate.
Well seventh crew member(Franky) was introduced and lived in Water Seven so it was actually one of the better ideas Hancock theorists came up with it.
There is NO double meaning in that gag, it's just Zoro's funny way of boasting how he was the first to arrive at SA.
This is not unlikely but you can't discount the possibility of it having a double meaning until the next person to join is called "the ninth."
Hugelol. The captain is never counted as a "crewmate", that's a fact. That's like saying a father can be counted as a son.
Crewmate is an English equivalent for nakama. Are you trying to say he doesn't consider himself nakama along with the rest of his crew?
Oh god…no more comments...I won't feed this stupid fire called "hancock for nakama being possible"
LOL I never said it was possible, I have always been a Jinbei supporter and argued against both Hancock and Perona. There were, however, a couple things about Hancock that made her a slightly legitimate possibility at one point. At least more so than Perona. IMO the whole thing about 9= kuja was one of those few very iffy things that made me wonder exactly where Oda was going with her.
Same with the change room scene in Louge Town, people keep forgetting that this isn't a Dan Brown novel.
That one was horrible. So many defended it smh.@Maki707:
Well seventh crew member(Franky) was introduced and lived in Water Seven so it was actually one of the better ideas Hancock theorists came up with it.
Again little things like that shouldn't be the foundation or driving point of your theory or be a reason for you to think a character is a legitimate candidate, those are added little bonus hints to the main vaild hints at the core of your theory.
Same with the change room scene in Louge Town, people keep forgetting that this isn't a Dan Brown novel.
What was that about
10curiouscharacters
This is not unlikely but you can't discount the possibility of it having a double meaning until the next person to join is called "the ninth."
Does it really make that much difference whether one or two more people will join the crew? It's not as if we NEED anything more crew position wise. We don't need a shipwright or a doctor or anything because we already have that. Anything more will be pretty much optional - the only thing that comes close is maybe someone who knows and has experienced the New World more.
What was that about
10curiouscharacters
Nami bought clothes in Logue town. Hancock supporters believed one of the dresses she wore was the same or looked similar to the dress Hancock wears. Therefore, Nami wears dress similar to future character and that future character must join.
@Reyairia:
Does it really make that much difference whether one or two more people will join the crew?
Yes….........?
It's the difference between Oda juggling 10 characters and 11. Not to mention more SHs appeals to the fans.
Who knows? Some think Luffy's statement was a clear foreshadowing, while others consider it just a baseless statement
Personally, I'm on the later side
Although I'd like a Fishmen Karate master to join the crew, that'd be cool, or maybe Sanji will learn some techniques over at Fishmen Island?
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@Zik:
Nami bought clothes in Logue town. Hancock supporters believed one of the dresses she wore was the same or looked similar to the dress Hancock wears. Therefore, Nami wears dress similar to future character and that future character must join.
LOL
Seriously, what the hell is up with AP
Oh my fault I left out the part that this was "supported" with the fact that Nami wore a cowboy hat once and Robin who use to wear a cowboy hat later joined.
I think they were trying to start a pattern of w/e clothes or accessories Nami wears foreshadows the next female crew member.
Even Perona fans didn't latch on to that dumb idea like Hancock supporters.
Jesus Christ
Even worse than the "Nami stole Perona's stuff, so Perona is gonna be a Crewmate, for sure" theory
"ADN ROOFY 8 AFISH THT LOOKS LIEK JIMBAY SO HE GOTZ TO JOIN I SWARES IT" I bet that's what's next.
Jesus Christ
Even worse than the "Nami stole Perona's stuff, so Perona is gonna be a Crewmate, for sure" theory
That was actually an arguement.?!
Its so bad that it
s again loveable.
@Zik:
Oh my fault I left out the part that this was "supported" with the fact that Nami wore a cowboy hat once and Robin who use to wear a cowboy hat later joined.
I think they were trying to start a pattern of w/e clothes or accessories Nami wears foreshadows the next female crew member.
Even Perona fans didn't latch on to that dumb idea like Hancock supporters.
To be fair she did dress almost exactly like Robin and Hancock, it was an intresting idea until losers started to act as if it were actual evidence.
An especially stupid idea that was floating around was that Hancock kicking a kitten was some sort of foreshadowing.
@Don:
That was actually an arguement.?!
Its so bad that it
s again loveable.
Yup. The argument was that Perona had to get her stuff back, so that gave her a reason to come back to the ship, but that was just a lie and that she really didn't care about her stuff, but wanted to stay with the crew.
You can see why AGOG doesn't show up much recently.
Although I'd like a Fishmen Karate master to join the crew, that'd be cool, or maybe Sanji will learn some techniques over at Fishmen Island?
I don't think so. If it's anything like real world karate (Oda does like to loosely base things in irl stuff so yeah) it's doubtful. Karate is very punch based (compared to TaeKwonDo's more kick based) and we know Sanji can't use his hands.
I think that if they get a fishman it should be female. Like…a shark girl or something.
Also...wow...there are some crazy theorists out there for One Piece.
I think that if they get a fishman it should be female. Like…a shark girl or something.
Also...wow...there are some crazy theorists out there for One Piece.
They could do a Rasta Squid woman.
she could be jamaican and her squid head could be like one of those rasta hats.
To be fair she did dress almost exactly like Robin and Hancock, it was an intresting idea until losers started to act as if it were actual evidence.
Not really since we know that at that time Hancock's design was closer to a wine-sipping noble woman than a Chinese dragon lady.
I don't think Sanji's going to learn Fishman Karate, cause, well, a human being able to use it would defeat the purpose.
Not really since we know that at that time Hancock's design was closer to a wine-sipping noble woman than a Chinese dragon lady.
I don't think Sanji's going to learn Fishman Karate, cause, well, a human being able to use it would defeat the purpose.
what? ive never seen this early design of hancock that u r refereing too….
and ive seen one of Oda's earliest ideas of handcock ..do u got a link or can u let me know what ur referring too
@Chopper:
what? ive never seen this early design of hancock that u r refereing too….
and ive seen one of Oda's earliest ideas of handcock ..do u got a link or can u let me know what ur referring too
Basically Oda's editor at one point told Oda to draw upcoming villains in the story. We got to see an early design of Hancock and three other mysterious characters backs.
I'm sure someone around here has the picture. Though I think it's on Hancock's page on the OPWikia.
Also imo there is no way, that the future Pirate King can cross the Red Line and continue through the New World, without first paying a visit to Mariejois and being part of a major ruckus there. (just like with Enies Lobby, Impel Down and Marineford)
And it seems obvious to me, that we will get a repeat of the Fisher Tiger incident, only on a much bigger scale.
That could set things up very nicely for the chase through the New World, introduce Luffy to his farther finally, give plenty of room for insight and development of the new SHs, and find us a few new awesome Nakama. (maybe Bonney and the son of Fisher Tiger)
they must go to mariejois! It's just too interesting of a place not to explore. We have the nobles, the slaves, the fisher tiger incident, the home of the world government, and most importantly in my opinion the Gorousei. There is just too much wickedness going on at holy land mariejois that the strawhats cant ignore. If the strawhats dont go visit mariejois, mariejois will surely visit them!
This is going to be important in acquiring the next nakama because it is when confronting evil power that the strawhats win the hearts and loyalty of their new members. Who could they possibly win over is the question. For one, it would make more sense to me to win over a fishman in mariejois than in FI. There is also the possibility of meeting powerful slaves such as hancock and her sisters. Sabo could potentially be thrown in the mix since he hates nobles so much. Hell even Bonney could be thrown in if she has been keeping the gorousei alive for centuries through the use of her power (not likely i know, and pure speculation).
No doubt, fishman island will be interesting, but mariejois seems more important to the overall story. And yes some fishmen may be introduced in FI, but to truly make them nakama their hearts must be won, and mariejois would be a perfect place to do it.
thanks for the link
but she doesn't come across as a snob to me ..but its just one pic so whatever lol
If punching one probably unimportant noble calls in an admiral and battleships, what would invading Mariejois (spelling?) do? Fighting admirals this early seems…deadly, really. Besides, its already been done, Fisher Tiger set fire to the place.
^Considering the tebryuubito are still buying/selling slaves and in general being enormous douchebags, Fisher Tiger didn't finish the job.
^Considering the tebryuubito are still buying/selling slaves and in general being enormous douchebags, Fisher Tiger didn't finish the job.
Its only the capitol, we have no idea where the nobles actually live. Presumably they live on the Red Line.
I actually said it before, the series ends when Luffy collapses the entire Red Line and turns the world into a planet of one huge ocean.
If punching one probably unimportant noble calls in an admiral and battleships, what would invading Mariejois (spelling?) do? Fighting admirals this early seems…deadly, really. Besides, its already been done, Fisher Tiger set fire to the place.
everything the strawhats have done has been gutsy. safety shouldnt be considered, they will go with their hearts and their own codes of justice and thats why we love them! And it is precisely this kind of scenario that wins over new nakama. When the strawhats take injustice and corruption head on, they find people who will fight right alongside them.
Its only the capitol, we have no idea where the nobles actually live. Presumably they live on the Red Line.
I think it's pretty clear and obvious that they reside in Mariejoa. That was Fisher Tiger's target when he freed all the slaves he could, and it is called the Holy Land of Mariejoa, and with all the reverence the Tenryuubito are paid it just makes sense they live there. It'd explain why Saobody is where the slave trade is big, since it's near the Tenryuubito's homes.
@guess:
everything the strawhats have done has been gutsy. safety shouldnt be considered, they will go with their hearts and their own codes of justice and thats why we love them! And it is precisely this kind of scenario that wins over new nakama. When the strawhats take injustice and corruption head on, they find people who will fight right alongside them.
I meant from an authorial point of view that its too soon for the SH to immediately fight admirals again. There was like a year of contstant battle, something a little different is due. Besides, if they don't get to Fishman Island sometime soon there might be a riot.
Its only the capitol, we have no idea where the nobles actually live. Presumably they live on the Red Line.
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Only the capitol? Seems a bit flippant dont you think?
@guess:
Only the capitol? Seems a bit flippant dont you think?
Meaning it doesn't necessarily follow that the capitol is the most populous place, with the most slaves. For all we know the capitol might just be a place to rule from where the non-nobles know where to go, and every other city is just the nobles and slaves, with nobody else allowed.
I meant from an authorial point of view that its too soon for the SH to immediately fight admirals again. There was like a year of contstant battle, something a little different is due. Besides, if they don't get to Fishman Island sometime soon there might be a riot.
Of course theyre going to FI first. And they may go to some islands prior to returning to Mariejois. It may be like impel down and marineford, when they were near but had no reason for actually going. They were foreshadowed as important locations. Compelling circumstances will arise and will require a visit to mariejois from the strawhats.
I only see Luffy taking on the World Government after he becomes King of the Pirates. For him to take it on now would be stupid, for him to win against it now would be poor writing. Not everything has to happen at once, I for one intend to enjoy the journey rather than ask "Are we their yet?, Are we their yet?, Are we their yet?".
I only see Luffy taking on the World Government after he becomes King of the Pirates. For him to take it on now would be stupid, for him to win against it now would be poor writing. Not everything has to happen at once, I for one intend to enjoy the journey rather than ask "Are we their yet?, Are we their yet?, Are we their yet?".
their is a difference between taking on the entire govt and one city…even if its the capitol
Knowing OP, Luffy would probably just make a mess out of the place, maybe beat one admiral as a crew, then leave before even stronger reinforcements arrive ala Enies Lobby.
Knowing OP, Luffy would probably just make a mess out of the place, maybe beat one admiral as a crew, then leave before even stronger reinforcements arrive ala Enies Lobby.
There's not many things that are stronger than an Admiral.
There's not many things that are stronger than an Admiral.
True… maybe just a vice admiral or something.
@Chopper:
their is a difference between taking on the entire govt and one city…even if its the capitol
Taking on Mariejois is pretty much fucking with the government on a pretty huge scale. Powering up over a twenty year time skip would not justify such an action.
@cooldud_21:
Taking on Mariejois is pretty much fucking with the government on a pretty huge scale. Powering up over a twenty year time skip would not justify such an action.
im not sayin it is do able … we dont know enough about that city or how powerful its defenses are (or how powerful the SH are)
i was just pointing out it wouldnt be bad writing if he attacked an important city like that
@Chopper:
im not sayin it is do able … we dont know enough about that city or how powerful its defenses are (or how powerful the SH are)
i was just pointing out it wouldnt be bad writing if he attacked an important city like that
Attacking a world noble = Kizaru + Sentomarou + Pacifista + marines.
Attacking the world nobles' abode = elephant dung will hit the fan.
Showing the straw hats attack the city has bad story-telling written all over it. Especially when they have no compelling business (no point to make against slavery of fishmen by climbing the red line and rescuing all the slaves) for doing it.
@cooldud_21:
Attacking a world noble = Kizaru + Sentomarou + Pacifista + marines.
Attacking the world nobles' abode = elephant dung will hit the fan.
Showing the straw hats attack the city has bad story-telling written all over it. Especially when they have no compelling business (no point to make against slavery of fishmen by climbing the red line and rescuing all the slaves) for doing it.
It may not be personal yet for the strawhats, but when it does they will go to mariejois. its just a matter of time. in the same way that people say it would be bad writing to go at this moment, it would be bad writing not to go at all.
Also as long as it is oda that is writing it, it wont be bad writing.
@cooldud_21:
Attacking a world noble = Kizaru + Sentomarou + Pacifista + marines.
Attacking the world nobles' abode = elephant dung will hit the fan.
Showing the straw hats attack the city has bad story-telling written all over it. Especially when they have no compelling business (no point to make against slavery of fishmen by climbing the red line and rescuing all the slaves) for doing it.
of course if they went straight there right now
i was assuming Oda would give them a reason to go there
i thought we were talkin about …the next arc Luffy wants to _____ so they go there and then run lol
@guess:
It may not be personal yet for the strawhats, but when it does they will go to mariejois. its just a matter of time. in the same way that people say it would be bad writing to go at this moment, it would be bad writing not to go at all.
Also as long as it is oda that is writing it, it wont be bad writing.
It would be bad writing to not go at all how? The final battle between the WG and the Strawhats + allies would cripple the nobles' power and then in the epilogue, people of the world could be shown running on the streets of Mariejois, freeing slaves, beating up nobles and toppling Saddam Hussein statues.
of all the locations intoduced thus far, mariejois is second in importance only to raftel. the strawhats may avoid going there now, but there will be no avoiding it as the story progresses.