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[madri]

I don't really get the whole "slut" thing. If it's someone's prerogative to sleep around… whatever. I guess it comes from the whole asexual bit (you thought I was joking, didn't you?). Is it a pride thing? "Yeah, I slept with Person A, but they were easy, so big freaking deal"?

What I don't like, however, are people who think they have to sleep with someone to get them to like them, and, in that vein, people who equate sex with love. I've never really met a guy like this, but I've met a few girls, and they drove me nuts. I guess I get the feeling that they're trying to "justify" sex. It's like, sleep with them if you want, but don't turn it into a big production.

[Myoti]

Exactly, Madri.

Sex does not = love. True love, however, and abstinance till marriage make the sex greater and more meaningful then simply doing with everyone because you want to "feel good" or something.

I here alot of people talking about how they slept with different people and it's kinda scary to think that alot of people are now "connected" through this, easily spreading STDs from one person to the next. Even if one person in an area is an STD carrier and only sleeps with one person, it's easy for it to spread if the "partner" is one who sleeps around regularly.

[wintergt]

@madri:

I don't really get the whole "slut" thing. If it's someone's prerogative to sleep around… whatever.

Hey everyone is free to do what they want. If a girl wants to be a slut, fine, no problem, I'm just not interested in them.

It's not a conscious choice or anything.. I just noticed in practice I simply am not.

I guess it comes from the whole asexual bit (you thought I was joking, didn't you?). Is it a pride thing? "Yeah, I slept with Person A, but they were easy, so big freaking deal"?

That probably has something to do with it yes. But it's more like this: if a girl looks really needy then it turns a guy off. There's not even reasoning involved there.

[Silpheed]

@jackvance:

Hm well maybe it was funny that I was so direct but yeah, the point was kinda that she said that most of the time she was simply hiding her horniness and restraining herself etc.

But yeah, there are some women that are a bit more direct and sexually open. Here, this happened 3 hours ago. The other end of the spectrum I guess. I still got a slight grin on my face cuz of it so whatever I just gotta tell this story..

So I go to the bar where I play competition kicker (table football) but turns out there was no game this week and not many people were there. Oh well, just played a few games and went home. But anyway, the interesting thing is the italian hottie barmaid (looks kinda dumb though, and dresses like a slut). So I got this really happy welcome from her when I came in, more than standard vs customers behavior. So inbetween games I kinda went to the bar to talk to her a bit (and the bartender too). Amongst other things I was telling her she should get a "free blowjobs" t-shirt and she was like "oooh that's a great idea" and she was kinda measuring if the words would fit on her (huge) boobs.. lol yeah she's a crazy girl. So then I was telling her some of the crazy things that had happened to me in my student city the past weeks, like that I had a stalker and shit.. and generally that I was having so much fun and suddenly she's like

her: what do you study again?
me: civil
her: engineer?
me: yeah
her: hey can't I come over there so we can go out and party together?
(golddigger? hehe)
me: sure..
her: and I can sleep over too?
(rofl)
me: yeah sure.. (still playing it cool)
her: in your room?
me: yeah np
her: oh great it's gonna be so much fun!
(man she was suddenly so happy.. freaky)
So she grabs a piece of paper, writes down her name and number, hands it to me, then takes another piece of paper and writes down my name and asks my number.

I even had my mom laughing with this one.. ofcourse followed by the standard "but be careful with these kinds of girls" motherly reply. I'm gonna see if I can get a picture of her, man you gotta see this chick =) (talking mainly to ma bro Silpheed here :laugh:)

Oh man sorry I'm late.. I had the same thing happen to me! XD j/k

Well as for the slut thing.. I don't like to call a woman a slut if she's only been with like 2 or 3 other guys, I like to keep the open mindnesses of it. I mean where all not perfect. But the only thing I have a problem with this is if the woman falls sexually attracted to any guy while where going out… but I think that goes for all men, and yes that is what a slut is.... maybe I just have lower standards =(

(btw Jack, I tried pming you but I think your inbox might be full. Ah well just PM me back)

[madri]

@jackvance:

That probably has something to do with it yes. But it's more like this: if a girl looks really needy then it turns a guy off. There's not even reasoning involved there.

That totally makes sense. It was just something I was curious about :laugh:

[KevC]

nooooo im 18 and i go to a university ranked number 2 by playboy of having the hottest girls and im still a virgin….boo

[Bounty1Berry]

@Myoti:

Exactly, Madri.

Sex does not = love. True love, however, and abstinance till marriage make the sex greater and more meaningful then simply doing with everyone because you want to "feel good" or something.

I'm curious about something: how would society be different if there were a way to make sex a no-cost endeavour (no STD risk, perfect birth control device). Would we still see abstinence-only nonsense?

I think a lot of the reason sex is so controlled, and so covered in meaning, is cos there are groups, particularly religious ones, with a stake in it.

We know humans are wired to want sex all the time. So by eliminating birth control, the religious types ensure that they will make many new followers. I would almost classify the sex-after-marraige the same way– a married household is likely to be committed to the religion and stable enough to ensure the message is delivered to the children.

[Gadus]

I'm not a virgin by choice because of any religious reasons…

I was just scared out of my wits when I was smaller during all those health classes where they told you the failure rates of condoms and whatnot. I don't think I would be too capable a father right now...

I don't think I am "saving myself" either. I just don't like making decisions, I think. :laugh: ...especially irreversible ones that could be...less than pleasant in some scenarios...

I just can't imagine sex without the loving emotional attachment. I always imagine that sex with love compared to sex driven by lust alone is most strikingly different in the time immediately following sex. I can't say from first hand experience, but I would imagine that, after sex, rather than feeling a flood of affectionate tenderness, it would be more like a flood of "time to get the hell out of here." --Or some facsimile of wanting to estrange yourself from the person afterwards

But I am always thinking of crazy things like this. :wacko:

[CosmicDebris]

@Bounty1Berry:

I think a lot of the reason sex is so controlled, and so covered in meaning, is cos there are groups, particularly religious ones, with a stake in it.

We know humans are wired to want sex all the time. So by eliminating birth control, the religious types ensure that they will make many new followers. I would almost classify the sex-after-marraige the same way– a married household is likely to be committed to the religion and stable enough to ensure the message is delivered to the children.

Well, first of all, no humans aren't wired to want sex all the time. That's ridiculous. Secondly, the only religion I know that has issues with birth control is Catholicism. Birth control is also a fairly new issue. In the old days, and even now, in some third world countries, children are considered wealth (as opposed to the opposite mentality of western society where we think more children = poverty) because they become workers and inheritors in the family. I think you're over-thinking things a bit too much with your modern, western-civ perception.

[Myoti]

Well, first of all, no humans aren't wired to want sex all the time. That's ridiculous. Secondly, the only religion I know that has issues with birth control is Catholicism. Birth control is also a fairly new issue. In the old days, and even now, in some third world countries, children are considered wealth (as opposed to the opposite mentality of western society where we think more children = poverty) because they become workers and inheritors in the family. I think you're over-thinking things a bit too much with your modern, western-civ perception.

That abouts sums it.

I'm curious about something: how would society be different if there were a way to make sex a no-cost endeavour (no STD risk, perfect birth control device). Would we still see abstinence-only nonsense?

There's still ALOT of emotional, physical, and spiritual damage that can be done by having premarital sex, even if there are no "disease" risks.

Also, please explain to me how abstinence is "nonsense".

[Bounty1Berry]

@Myoti:

That abouts sums it.

There's still ALOT of emotional, physical, and spiritual damage that can be done by having premarital sex, even if there are no "disease" risks.

Also, please explain to me how abstinence is "nonsense".

I've heard the no-birth-control stance is also common among orthodox Jews and other strongly religious types.

It's not abstinence per se I dislike, but abstinence-only sex education.

Imagine a computer class where they taught you "Okay, since other methods may fail, the only way we'll teach you to avoid a virus is to never go on the internet or put a disc in a drive!" It clearly ignores what people are doing.

[Gadus]

@Bounty1Berry:

Imagine a computer class where they taught you "Okay, since other methods may fail, the only way we'll teach you to avoid a virus is to never go on the internet or put a disc in a drive!" It clearly ignores what people are doing.

That makes sense to me. But I do have to say that the consequences resulting from a failure in virus protection on your computer seems so much more trivial than the consequences resulting from sexual protection.

I am not disagreeing with anything anyone has said, but adding that the seriousness of accidental conception makes it difficult for me to compare sexual abstinence with, um…technological abstinence. :laugh:

It carries much greater implications (for me, at least) to have sex than to go on the computer. :)

But, yeah, I strongly agree with you with the fact that abstinence-only education only ignores the problems of the risks of promiscuous sex. Because whether you like it or not, it does happen.

[Myoti]

I have no problem with "birth control", but only when it's used when the correct bounds (i.e. Marriage). However, all birth control methods, save abstinence, are faulty (unless, as the case may be, someone is raped, but that's a different matter at the moment).

As Gadus said, getting a virus is trivial compared to sex. For most people in today's world, having a computer and getting on the internet is a way of life. They need it to perform tasks, work, etc., and there are always risked involved. You don't have to have sex before marriage to live.

(there's some other points I'm trying to get here, but I'll wait for your reply)

[CosmicDebris]

You can replace computers if they get a bad enough virus to kill it. You can't replace people. XD

[wintergt]

Meh this discussion just turned boring. I'm sorry to say but if you really want to push the fact that you might contract a disease even if you use protection, yeah, then you're just using a rationalisation cuz you simply can't get laid. Armchair analyses aside, if you cross the road you can get run over by a car. So better never cross the road again right? Same thing.

[Silpheed]

lol no one wants to say that their a vergin or not… isn't that the whole point of the thread?

[CosmicDebris]

@jackvance:

Meh this discussion just turned boring. I'm sorry to say but if you really want to push the fact that you might contract a disease even if you use protection, yeah, then you're just using a rationalisation cuz you simply can't get laid. .

Oh please, you only say that because you don't comprehend why someone might not want to get laid. :laugh: What an imature thing to say. Have you ever known anyone personally to die from AIDS? or who got pregnant while using contraceptives? I have. But my own personal choice to abstain has little to do with fear of disease.

[Carly]

@jackvance:

Meh this discussion just turned boring. I'm sorry to say but if you really want to push the fact that you might contract a disease even if you use protection, yeah, then you're just using a rationalisation cuz you simply can't get laid. Armchair analyses aside, if you cross the road you can get run over by a car. So better never cross the road again right? Same thing.

Um, but it's true. No method of birth control is 100% effective against pregnancy and certainly not against STDs, not even condoms. I've been having sex for two years and even I'm not dumb enough to believe that condoms are going to save me every time. (so far they have but that's only been like eight or nine times :laugh:)

And what's the big deal if someone doesn't want to have sex ? I was so ashamed of my first time that I wouldn't let anyone touch me for two years. Everyone has their own reasons for not wanting to have sex or not. As much of a pessimist as I am, I believe it's perfectly within our capability to resist our natural programming to any degree we so deisre. Just depends if you actually believe in your own strength to keep up that conviction. (Which I can't say for my oldest older brother… I'll put it this way, he's 23 and he has a four year old daughter, who while absolutely adorable and beautiful, was, essentially, a 'mistake' on prom night)

I don't believe humans are really that shallow to believe the sole focus of their life is to have sex. That may be what genetics is essentially all about, but there's much more to life than getting laid. Not to say I'd trade riding Millennium Force for a night in the sack, but eh :laugh:

[Gadus]

@jackvance:

Meh this discussion just turned boring. I'm sorry to say but if you really want to push the fact that you might contract a disease even if you use protection, yeah, then you're just using a rationalisation cuz you simply can't get laid. Armchair analyses aside, if you cross the road you can get run over by a car. So better never cross the road again right? Same thing.

Heh. I like your rationalization that because somone is a virgin, it's strictly because they can't get laid. Hehe, much better than an armchair analysis. Sweeping generalizations are much more level-headed if you ask me.

What sort of comment would turn this thread back into teh excitement?

A disagreement?
(In that case, then….I BLATANTLY REFUTE YOUR LOGIC/ARGUMENT/OPINIONS WITH MY SUPERIOR USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS!!!111)

or maybe we need to resort to citing our craziest sexual experiences?
(In that case, I dont have anything exciting to share. I'm not too kinky. I have sexual experience under my belt, but I'm still technically a "virgin.")

[Silpheed]

@Gadus:

Heh. I like your rationalization that because somone is a virgin, it's strictly because they can't get laid. Hehe, much better than an armchair analysis. Sweeping generalizations are much more level-headed if you ask me.

What sort of comment would turn this thread back into teh excitement?

A disagreement?
(In that case, then….I BLATANTLY REFUTE YOUR LOGIC/ARGUMENT/OPINIONS WITH MY SUPERIOR USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS!!!111)

or maybe we need to resort to citing our craziest sexual experiences?
(In that case, I dont have anything exciting to share. I'm not too kinky. I have sexual experience under my belt, but I'm still technically a "virgin.")

lol I did it in a car! Thats pretty exciting isn't it? XD

[CosmicDebris]

I don't have anything crazy to relate. Probably the only thing even funny I can think of is doing stuff on Disneyland rides….which you know, isn't very unusual. And you should know that the people in the camera surveilance rooms are probably pretty bored of it by now. :laugh:

[Gadus]

@Silpheed:

lol I did it in a car! Thats pretty exciting isn't it? XD

Haha, sex is exciting. Period. XD

@CosmicDebris:

I don't have anything crazy to relate. Probably the only thing even funny I can think of is doing stuff on Disneyland rides….which you know, isn't very unusual. And you should know that the people in the camera surveilance rooms are probably pretty bored of it by now.

Oh man, which rides? Some are just better for making out in. I can't imagine a couple groping each other while spinning around on the teacups ride surrounded by screaming children and parents with videocameras.

Off topic, but I always liked Space Mountain (as a ride). I haven't tested it's make-out-ability-ness yet, but something tells me that would be rather painful anyway. Sex on a ride is pretty hard, too…unless your ride's faster than the roller coaster...BA-ZZZING!

[CosmicDebris]

@Gadus:

Oh man, which rides? Some are just better for making out in. I can't imagine a couple groping each other while spinning around on the teacups ride surrounded by screaming children and parents with videocameras.

LOL, no, not the teacups. You can't even get me on the ride, it makes me sick. It has to be the dark slow rides, like the Haunted Mansion, where' you always alone with whoever you go with.

Off topic, but I always liked Space Mountain (as a ride). I haven't tested it's make-out-ability-ness yet, but something tells me that would be rather painful anyway. Sex on a ride is pretty hard, too…unless your ride's faster than the roller coaster...BA-ZZZING!

No, I can guarrantee you that you can't make out on Space Mountain. They just remodled and opened the ride. I want to get a Disney season pass again, I haven't been there in a couple of years.

[igalsfy]

@Silpheed:

lol I did it in a car! Thats pretty exciting isn't it? XD

arf i did it twice in a car and there really isn't enough place to feel comfortable. i think i'll try to not do it again there. but i might reconsider it depending of the cirumstances :laugh:

[Carly]

I wouldn't be caught dead mackin' in a Disney ride. Think of the children. D:

[taboo]

This thread just became so hilarious. xDDD

No crazy sex stories from me… I've had some pretty whack conversations though. Mostly in band. XP

[Gadus]

@Carly:

I wouldn't be caught dead mackin' in a Disney ride. Think of the children. D:

Haha. I haven't actually been to any theme park in a long time, but to some I guess getting on the Matterhorn makes them Matterhorny.

Hahaha. Oh man, that was a bad pun. Don't mind me. :wacko:

[Carly]

That was just plain BAD :laugh:

[Gadus]

@Carly:

That was just plain BAD :laugh:

Thank you. Thank you. I'll be here all week.

[CosmicDebris]

thinks of continuing with the bad puns, but resists

[Myoti]

I thought these kinds of things were suppose to stay PG-13. ._.

Armchair analyses aside, if you cross the road you can get run over by a car. So better never cross the road again right? Same thing.

No, you can cross the street, but you should do so when it's safe, just as you should only have sex once you're married (with your spouse, of course).

With that analogy, having premarital sex with "protection" is like running through the traffic-filled street, "protecting" yourself with a blanket.

[CosmicDebris]

@Myoti:

I thought these kinds of things were suppose to stay PG-13. ._..

Have you ever seen the movie "Parenthood" with Steve Martin? That was PG-13. ;)

And just to set the record straight, my related experiences are things of the past, not things I would necessarily do now. ;) I used to think sex outside of marriage was no big deal. :/

[Carly]

It's actually kind of weird, now that you say that. My boyfriend has always been pretty iffy on sex before marriage; only times he's ever been willing are like… I don't know how to describe it. Like the New Year's Eve thing from When Harry Met Sally and they boink after Sally's been crying about Joe; it's that kind of thing.

I'm surprised he even puts up with me at that kind of rate. :laugh:

[CosmicDebris]

That is kind of usual for a guy….usually they either hold off entirely or not at all.

[Myoti]

Have you ever seen the movie "Parenthood" with Steve Martin? That was PG-13. ;)

Err, no… I haven't...

That is kind of usual for a guy….usually they either hold off entirely or not at all.

Whoa, wait a minute. Isn't that the same thing? O_-

[wintergt]

@Gadus:

Heh. I like your rationalization that because somone is a virgin, it's strictly because they can't get laid. Hehe, much better than an armchair analysis. Sweeping generalizations are much more level-headed if you ask me.

Hm seems like I've been misunderstood in what I'm trying to say here. I wasn't actually trying to judge anyone here or anything, for those who've been reading my earlier posts they should know I don't judge good or bad, I just kinda analyse. And the whole STD and failure rate of condoms looked like a lot of 'mental masturbation' to me, or armchair analysis.

If you're gonna throw out these kinds of numbers you can scare anyone about anything. Most accidents happen at home. If I start giving tons of examples and stuff, hell, you'd think twice of walking around in your own house. Or death rates on the road.. if I keep hammering on those you'd get scared of ever driving a car again. Well, I hope you understand what I'm getting at..

What sort of comment would turn this thread back into teh excitement?

Well, 10 consecutive posts about STDs started to dangerously turn this thread into a "sex is evul" kinda thing.

[CosmicDebris]

@Myoti:

Whoa, wait a minute. Isn't that the same thing? O_-

No, I mean either a guy will have a reason to stay totally abstinent or else he doesn't care at all…I have never met a guy who only gets in the mood once in a while. :laugh: But maybe that's not what she meant.

@jackvance:

Well, 10 consecutive posts about STDs started to dangerously turn this thread into a "sex is evul" kinda thing.

SEX IZ EVUL!!

Nah, I don't really see any danger of that, I think we appreciate sex here. XD Whether we've done it or not, or don't want to at the moment.

[Gadus]

@jackvance:

Hm seems like I've been misunderstood in what I'm trying to say here. I wasn't actually trying to judge anyone here or anything, for those who've been reading my earlier posts they should know I don't judge good or bad, I just kinda analyse. And the whole STD and failure rate of condoms looked like a lot of 'mental masturbation' to me, or armchair analysis.

If you're gonna throw out these kinds of numbers you can scare anyone about anything. Most accidents happen at home. If I start giving tons of examples and stuff, hell, you'd think twice of walking around in your own house. Or death rates on the road.. if I keep hammering on those you'd get scared of ever driving a car again. Well, I hope you understand what I'm getting at..

I understand that's what you were pointing out in the first part of your post

@jackvance:

Meh this discussion just turned boring. I'm sorry to say but if you really want to push the fact that you might contract a disease even if you use protection,

I was pointing out actually the second part of that sentence

@jackvance:

yeah, then you're just using a rationalisation cuz you simply can't get laid.

You know, because I had to defend myself for still being a virgin and all - social insecurity and all that jazz - otherwise the boys at school will steal my lunch money again…:laugh:

But, yeah, numbers can scare people, especially when they are presented in such a way as to focus on the negative parts. It's pretty reasonable to say that driving is more necessary than sex, though. I don't drive unless I have somewhere I need to go - I can't really think of a similar analogy for sex. But, being careful with both is key, otherwise undesirable things can happen.

[Yoska]

@Gadus:

It's pretty reasonable to say that driving is more necessary than sex, though.

Dunno. Without sex human race wouldn't exist. Without driving the human race would still exist along with few other races that pollution hadn't driven into extinction.

I don't drive unless I have somewhere I need to go - I can't really think of a similar analogy for sex.

What about "I don't have sex unless I have somebody I need to have a baby with". XD

47 pages already.

[Gadus]

@Yoska:

Dunno. Without sex human race wouldn't exist. Without driving the human race would still exist along with few other races that pollution hadn't driven into extinction.

Ok, ok. If you want to be picky, then let me specify that by saying on a day-to-day basis, driving is more necessary than sex. That is, unless you want to walk the 40 miles to work everyday. Being nit-picky here, I mean "you" in general as the many people who have to commute rather long distances to get to work, in case someone wanted to be picky about how they, in particular, work from home or close to it.

@Yoska:

What about "I don't have sex unless I have somebody I need to have a baby with". XD

Silly rabbit, trix are for kids. XD

[SRMChoppermon]

I'm 16, not a virgin. I won't get detailed but I was 15 when I lost my V plate and it was a bit of a fling. Do I regret it? No. When I do find the special lady in my life I'll know what I'm doing when it comes to sex. Quite honestly, sex is quite laughable and awkward for a while. Only when you've had it often and with someone you really love does it become something special.
About waiting till marriage… it's all up to the person isn't it? If the person is saving themselves because that's how they really feel then good for them. Best of luck. If they're only doing it because they were brought up like that then it is kinda sad though...

[Yoska]

@Gadus:

Ok, ok. If you want to be picky, then let me specify that by saying on a day-to-day basis, driving is more necessary than sex.

Probably although I wouldn't know - since I got my driving license I've drove up to three amazing times . Ewww… eating is more necessary than sex or driving (best counter-argument ever). Got to go to eat something now.

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

The closest I've coem to full on SEX!!!! would be when I go food shopping and when I have to take the trolley out of the long line of connecting trollies, then when I'm done shoving back in there again! XD

[Myoti]

Well, 10 consecutive posts about STDs started to dangerously turn this thread into a "sex is evul" kinda thing.

If this refers to me, that was never my attention. Sex is a good thing, when it's done the way it was meant to be (if you want to argue that, read my previous posts).

No, I mean either a guy will have a reason to stay totally abstinent or else he doesn't care at all…I have never met a guy who only gets in the mood once in a while. But maybe that's not what she meant.

Ah, I understand now.

About waiting till marriage… it's all up to the person isn't it? If the person is saving themselves because that's how they really feel then good for them. Best of luck. If they're only doing it because they were brought up like that then it is kinda sad though...

You didn't read alot of the previous posts, did you?

The closest I've coem to full on SEX!!!! would be when I go food shopping and when I have to take the trolley out of the long line of connecting trollies, then when I'm done shoving back in there again!

That was… -__O

chases you done the shopping ally swinging a 2 by 4

[taboo]

I thought these kinds of things were suppose to stay PG-13. ._.

This thread is most definentally not PG 13. XD

The closest I've coem to full on SEX!!!! would be when I go food shopping and when I have to take the trolley out of the long line of connecting trollies, then when I'm done shoving back in there again!

xD Ha ha~! Let's see…. the closest I've ever come.... would be in the 9th grade when my boyfriend asked me to lean on him on the bus. xP I didn't really want to but he was like "Come on, you can take a nap."

Edit: Oh crap, I just realized how sad that really is. xD

[Silpheed]

@taboo:

This thread is most definentally not PG 13. XD

xD Ha ha~! Let's see…. the closest I've ever come.... would be in the 9th grade when my boyfriend asked me to lean on him on the bus. xP I didn't really want to but he was like "Come on, you can take a nap."

Edit: Oh crap, I just realized how sad that really is. xD

Come on Taboo, you can lean on me.. I'll let you take a nap wink SCORE!

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

I was onced asked by one of my old GF's a while ago if we could to 'take it to the next level'. I said "YES PLEASE I'M DYING FOR SOME HOT STEAMY FUN" but then I realised that she just wanted me to press 'UP' on the elevator because electronics was on the next floor…...

I cried.=(

[Carly]

@CosmicDebris:

No, I mean either a guy will have a reason to stay totally abstinent or else he doesn't care at all…I have never met a guy who only gets in the mood once in a while. :laugh: But maybe that's not what she meant.

Well, he jokes about it and everything :laugh: I dunno how to really put it myself. He has to be feeling really really reaaaalllly romantic before he'll get in the mood to have sex and afterwards he feels so guilty - "If I end up in Hell, I'm blaming YOU for this, Lisa !" :laugh:

I think it's more like he can't be assured that neither of us are really committed to each other until marriage, and that's the big qualm he has about it over anything else.

[CosmicDebris]

@Carly:

Well, he jokes about it and everything :laugh: I dunno how to really put it myself. He has to be feeling really really reaaaalllly romantic before he'll get in the mood to have sex and afterwards he feels so guilty - "If I end up in Hell, I'm blaming YOU for this, Lisa !" :laugh:

I think it's more like he can't be assured that neither of us are really committed to each other until marriage, and that's the big qualm he has about it over anything else.

Haha, he sounds like an interesting guy. :laugh: I think it's good that he takes sex seriously and associates it with committment. I do not believe sex is meant to be something casual.

[igalsfy]

i did it only once without real feelings and it was the worst time in my life. not that i messed up something (:laugh:) but it just felt… wierd (maybe was it because that was with an ex-girlfriend). i'll never do it like that again. i don't understand people who go out in hope to find somebody to f*** after the party (i'm talking about boys AND girls here).