This thread is totally like Bleach.
In the sense that it's a blank void devoid of all logic?
This thread is totally like Bleach.
In the sense that it's a blank void devoid of all logic?
That was to explain my perspective better…
Possibility: Plot Device that found her shit on their ship.
Then, there was 100 percent no point in sending her off, before that happened. There has to be a reason why the author would do it the way he did it, where she's with Zoro for two years. What is the point of having her there, if she was going to return to Moria, in two years time. Why and what does it bring for the main cast? How does it help, etc.?This is his home, and he is on break after the war. He'll have wasted his whole break with Zoro, and had no R&R… Why would he just say yes to that again, and then be a babysitter longer...? Does he want this?
The reason why he gave Zoro that stuff was to get his ass off his home, or prepare him to "challenge him" in the future. A goal of his, without any doubt. Carrying him off to meet his crew, however, would not be his goal.
She had a motivation earlier, I don't know what'll happen to that in two years time. I assume she'll lose that. However, Perona is the individual that can solve both of the problems the two characters hold. Am I wrong?
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo mr fact and plot device man.
2 years of training.
Zoro is training with mihawk for 2 years long and hard.
perona, baboons, 2 years.
No she will watch zoro train for 2 years long and help him go to sa and join sh coz thats the best plot device there is. Hahahhhahaajjjajjajajjajhahahahahhajhahajahajahaahhahahajah
THAT SURE DIDN'T STOP YOU BEFORE
Tell me, when did I fucking say she'd relax with those Baboons?
@Bobjr:
Not when you have her negative ghosts.
Prove it. Zoro isn't following her directions, not Mihawk either.
Are the zombie animal mashups "cute"? Not really.
To her, they honestly are… To us, no. You don't speak for her, therefore, you couldn't state yes or no to this...
Servants, slaves, she wants people tending to her all the time, makes no difference what word she uses.
My point exactly, she wants "company" rather than a gloomy castle and horrible setting… She wants what we call "friends" and so on.
Doesn't that provide a ton of possibilities for why Perona wouldn't "enjoy" the chance to stay here, as opposed to following someone, someplace else where she'll get the thing she's looking for?
@Monkey:
Look. Zoro just crawled on his knees begging the man he was so determined to defeat someday to be his teacher which, and even the Op experts will agree, a complete 180 for him. Did you miss that ?
He cast his pride aside this time and there's no reason why he won't cast his pride aside again to ask someone to help him get back to sabaody.
His sacriifce will have been in vain if he can't even get back to sabaody in time.And Zoro is aware of the difficulty of sailing by himself since he admits in chapter 8 to Luffy that he left hisn island someday and never was able to find his way back.
Nothing but logic here.
It's amusing you take a comedy quirk and equate it with something like that important of an event.
Tell me, since this, is he suddenly going to stop arguing with Sanji or any little thing or stop heavily sleeping just because of that?
**My point exactly, she wants "company" rather than a gloomy castle and horrible setting… She wants what we call "friends" and so on.
Doesn't that provide a ton of possibilities for why Perona wouldn't "enjoy" the chance to stay here, as opposed to following someone, someplace else where she'll get the thing she's looking for?**
looooooooooooooooooooool
You're seriously comparing Perona's Cute Zombies with the SH's
He lost it
AGOG has entered his death throws.
It's funny how u can press F5 every minute and u ALWAYS have something new to read here. I've lost time how long I'm doing this already….
Prove it. Zoro isn't following her directions, not Mihawk either.
Mihawk is a top tier fighter, and the baboons are fodder for Zoro at this point. Plus Zoro is training under Mihawk, you want her to try the ghost on them and get killed?
To her, they honestly are… To us, no. You don't speak for her, therefore, you couldn't state yes or no to this...
I can make a fairly good guess. It's not rocket science.
My point exactly, she wants "company" rather than a gloomy castle and horrible setting… She wants what we call "friends" and so on.
Before all she had was a bear that she didn't let talk. Friends who give her company besides just being there don't seem to be high on her priorities.
@Monkey:
And Zoro is aware of the difficulty of sailing by himself since he admits in chapter 8 to Luffy that he left hisn island someday and never was able to find his way back.
It was a long time ago, I remember that 3 or 4 volumes after Zoro didn't get lost before fighting Kuro and his men.
Anyway, I won't say that it's impossible for Perona to accompagny him, just that it's totally irrelevant. Even is she did it, she won't join the crew since that doesn't change anything to her lack of depth.
looooooooooooooooooooool
You're seriously comparing Perona's Cute Zombies with the SH'sHe lost it
Since like 2008, or whatever, yes.
I have been saying that there is a possibility where she can "see" them as of equal worth to her, where she can accept the SH crew as a replacement to what she lost back in TB…
In the sense that it's a blank void devoid of all logic?
Exactly.
And even Aizen is same - his monstrous arrogant monologues with 600 billions of text signs turn to panicking capslock one liners blaming it all on the Sprit King and his goddamn timeskip.
Since like 2008, or whatever, yes.
I have been saying that there is a possibility where she can "see" them as of equal worth to her, where she can accept the SH crew as a replacement to what she lost back in TB…
NO SHE CAN'T
SHE DOESN'T LET FUCKING BEARSY TALK
SHE CONSIDERS THEM AN ARMY
THERE'S NO FRIENDLY CONNECTION WHATSOEVER
NO
THERE ISN'T
NOTHING
AT
ALL
NOTHING
Jesus Christ, I can't believe this, how the hell have you been taken seriously for so long?
@S.C.:
It's amusing you take a comedy quirk and equate it with something like that important of an event.
Tell me, since this, is he suddenly going to stop arguing with Sanji or any little thing or stop heavily sleeping just because of that?
That's the best you can do ?
If arguing with Sanj somehow impeded his power up, then for the sake of his captain he would during this time skip stop arguing with Sanji.
Zoro's sense of direction, comedy quirk though it may be, is still a reality.
Zoro's sense of direction is terrible. And the last time Zoro attempted a sea voyage by himself he failed to reach his destination, this little factoid is not comedy, it's fact by the way.
Will you admit, in the spirit of fairness, that the this issue might come into play when Zoro is faced with his trip back to sabaody ?
Mihawk is a top tier fighter, and the baboons are fodder for Zoro at this point. Plus Zoro is training under Mihawk, you want her to try the ghost on them and get killed?
Sure, her body won't feel pain unless Oda states something like that!
I'd honestly love to see it… Last time I casually checked, she was in "horo form"
I can make a fairly good guess. It's not rocket science.
I can make these too, but it isn't right until the big guy [Oda] says it is.
Before all she had was a bear that she didn't let talk. Friends who give her company besides just being there don't seem to be high on her priorities.
There is a reason why she didn't let that bear talk, don't forget that reason…
Furthermore, outside of that bear, we weren't shown everything that happened to the other animals, whom didn't lack such a trait that Kumacy did. How she treated them, however, is anyone's real guess. However, she seemed to "treat" her servants better than how the other enigma's treated theirs.
Yes, the comparison seems wrong, naturally, but I feel that for a character like her that it would make complete sense.
The reason is that she didn't like her voice
HOW FRIENDLY
NO SHE CAN'T
SHE DOESN'T LET FUCKING BEARSY TALK
SHE CONSIDERS THEM AN ARMY
THERE'S NO FRIENDLY CONNECTION WHATSOEVER
NO
THERE ISN'T
NOTHING
AT
ALL
NOTHINGJesus Christ, I can't believe this, how the hell have you been taken seriously for so long?
She didn't let him talk because he didn't hold a "cute" voice. Think of it as a mother telling you to "always wear clean underwear" thing, where she's just trying to look out for that fellow.
An army? Viz doesn't agree there… I know exactly where you got this passage from, hell, it's fairly simple. Although, the meaning isn't what you think it is... The basis for her using that word could easily be due to Moria's bad influence.
The thought that "value" could be similar from an original example is an interesting and probable thought. Thank you very much.
Perona won't join.
Just accept it and move on.
This thread is totally like Bleach.
This just gave me an idea for a forum bet.
It will be between people who think Perona will join and those who think she wont.(Only if you decide to take the bet) The losers on either side who loses will have to put " Kubo is the best mangaka of all time and Oda is a hack" in their sig for the next five months. So who wants in
She didn't let him talk because he didn't hold a "cute" voice. Think of it as a mother telling you to "always wear clean underwear" thing, where she's just trying to look out for that fellow.
.
Uh, no. Even when Usopp, Chopper & Nami were in him, she still verbally abused him again and again. Hell, even Abasalom told her she was being a bitch to him.
She did acknowledge him when he "died", but was more angry at losing a servant then actually him alone.
She didn't let him talk because he didn't hold a "cute" voice. Think of it as a mother telling you to "always wear clean underwear" thing, where she's just trying to look out for that fellow.
An army? Viz doesn't agree there… I know exactly where you got this passage from, hell, it's fairly simple. Although, the meaning isn't what you think it is... The basis for her using that word could easily be due to Moria's bad influence.
The thought that "value" could be similar from an original example is an interesting and probable thought. Thank you very much.
WAAHHAAHHAAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Please put this stuff in your perona theories.
Sure, her body won't feel pain unless Oda states something like that!
I'd honestly love to see it… Last time I casually checked, she was in "horo form"
Do you still think she'd even try it? Because Mihawk and Zoro pretty much see her as a minor annoyance, with a little bit of nursing on the side. She's not going to fight someone she thinks she can't take.
I can make these too, but it isn't right until the big guy [Oda] says it is.
She thinks random animal mashups are cute as servants. It's not that much of a stretch to think that the baboons would be the same. Unless you want to pull the "It's not for sure until it happens!" card, which only means you're running out of answers.
There is a reason why she didn't let that bear talk, don't forget that reason…
Furthermore, outside of that bear, we weren't shown everything that happened to the other animals, whom didn't lack such a trait that Kumacy did. How she treated them, however, is anyone's real guess. However, she seemed to "treat" her servants better than how the other enigma's treated theirs.Yes, the comparison seems wrong, naturally, but I feel that for a character like her that it would make complete sense.
That he didn't sound cute, which adds to her shallowness.
And she probably treated them like a spoiled brat would, since that's her personality. And it's not like she had good competition when you're up against someone who dug up his love's corpse so he could abuse it as he pleased.
@S.C.:
Uh, no. Even when Usopp, Chopper & Nami were in him, she still verbally abused him again and again. Hell, even Abasalom told her she was being a bitch to him.
She did acknowledge him when he "died", but was more angry at losing a servant then actually him alone.
Again, she admits: "His voice is not cute, but you look cute… STOP TALKING BECAUSE YOUR VOICE ISN'T CUTE!!"
Meaning, put as many people inside him, she thinks his voice isn't cute regardless. She didn't hear a "cute voice" when he was saying, "BUT PERONA!!" she heard his hideous voice on a cute face.
Absalom said a joke, a bad one... He said another thereafter. She said, "my basis for this is because they are my servants and master gave me my right to treat them like I want [about silencing Kumacy's voice], citing an example of how Hogback treats Cindy and Absalom treats his own.
The difference between her and the other two is the reaction she had when she lost one of them. Moria and the other two didn't care, but she did care, [what extent that is is your decision…].
I looked at it as a "replacement" part because the emotional part of her character wanted to intimidate Usopp, or snap herself out of the slump she was in…
WAAHHAAHHAAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Please put this stuff in your perona theories.
Who are you again?
Oh yeah, the guy who is bad at typing and stuff…
AGOG, please type in giant posts again so I can skip your bullshit more easily
thank you
Puuuuh , Perona-supporters rly giving all they have in these last days before they will be stabbed in the back by Oda.
Do you still think she'd even try it? Because Mihawk and Zoro pretty much see her as a minor annoyance, with a little bit of nursing on the side. She's not going to fight someone she thinks she can't take.
She thinks she can take anyone, but big fat guys… Like Oars. She thought she could take Kuma, she tried too... Lost, but that's not the point.
I think that Kuma is a lot worse than Zoro, therefore, she could try against Zoro and Mihawk, if she wanted to.
Why she hasn't tried, or has tried and what happened from it, I don't know...
She thinks random animal mashups are cute as servants. It's not that much of a stretch to think that the baboons would be the same. Unless you want to pull the "It's not for sure until it happens!" card, which only means you're running out of answers.
No, it'd be dependent on factors of her character that we don't know… She didn't think a "voice" was cute, one that Kuma had... We don't know what her "real" definition of cute is, but it'd be as wrong as judging books by their covers; we cannot just assume "animal mashup" translates to "cute" for her.
I'm trying to say that this isn't going to go anywhere, until Oda decides to answer. It is a baseless opinion, without his answer.
That he didn't sound cute, which adds to her shallowness.
Yes.
And she probably treated them like a spoiled brat would, since that's her personality. And it's not like she had good competition when you're up against someone who dug up his love's corpse so he could abuse it as he pleased.
Yeah, but I'd say that it is a better treatment than the others…
@Don:
Puuuuh , Perona-supporters rly giving all they have in these last days before they will be stabbed in the back by Oda.
As are the haters.
I would laugh so hard if this issue wasn't resolved this chapter.
As are the haters.
I would laugh so hard if this issue wasn't resolved this chapter.
It won't be… Chances are, we'll either be shown a two year time skip, where they come together, or a bunch of crap that shows the aftermath fly by with cameo shots of the SH crew doing things... Perhaps, Buggy getting a promotion will start it off, or something.
So, it could be a flashforward into the future, or it could just show them getting back together, again.
She thinks she can take anyone, but big fat guys… Like Oars. She thought she could take Kuma, she tried too... Lost, but that's not the point.
I think that Kuma is a lot worse than Zoro, therefore, she could try against Zoro and Mihawk, if she wanted to.
Why she hasn't tried, or has tried and what happened from it, I don't know...
So you honestly think that she should go ahead and try and take Mihawk? Point is it's not a good think for her to try at all.
No, it'd be dependent on factors of her character that we don't know… She didn't think a "voice" was cute, one that Kuma had... We don't know what her "real" definition of cute is, but it'd be as wrong as judging books by their covers; we cannot just assume "animal mashup" translates to "cute" for her.
I'm trying to say that this isn't going to go anywhere, until Oda decides to answer. It is a baseless opinion, without his answer.
It's not a baseless opinion, you're saying it's baseless because Oda hasn't described the entire situation to a T, when it's a fairly easy observation to make.
Yes.
Yeah, but I'd say that it is a better treatment than the others…
Which means nothing.
So, it could be a flashforward into the future, or it could just show them getting back together, again.
The preview panel showed that Luffy was still on that deserted island, I'm quite sure the next arc is going to be a reunion arc.
As are the haters.
I would laugh so hard if this issue wasn't resolved this chapter.
Iam actually sure that we wont see the crew already reunited in the new chapter or anything of the crew, but it COULD be possible that we see Zoro heading to Shabondy and Perona waving him(and Perona-supporter dreams)byebye. So or so those guys won
t believe it till the crew sets sail from Shabondy…so some weeks we still have to enjoy this spectacle.
The preview panel showed that Luffy was still on that deserted island, I'm quite sure the next arc is going to be a reunion arc.
Wait, what?! Preview panel?!
Who are you again?
Oh yeah, the guy who is bad at typing and stuff…
I wish you were bad at typing, it would be awesome if I had no idea what you typed here:
She didn't let him talk because he didn't hold a "cute" voice. Think of it as a mother telling you to "always wear clean underwear" thing, where she's just trying to look out for that fellow.
An army? Viz doesn't agree there… I know exactly where you got this passage from, hell, it's fairly simple. Although, the meaning isn't what you think it is... The basis for her using that word could easily be due to Moria's bad influence.
The thought that "value" could be similar from an original example is an interesting and probable thought. Thank you very much.
There was a small sketch in Jump of Luffy, and either Margaret, Hancock or someone else(It was just a sketch, but it appeared to be Margaret) Comes and says that a ship is ready to take him wherever he needs and he says OK.
So you honestly think that she should go ahead and try and take Mihawk? Point is it's not a good think for her to try at all.
To have one issue in her joining finally addressed: her horo powers.
There is only a vague explanation to base it off of, however, if Mihawk cuts her, then she is then proven a character which risks something when in horo form.
It's not a baseless opinion, you're saying it's baseless because Oda hasn't described the entire situation to a T, when it's a fairly easy observation to make.
It becomes a debate that is based on an opinion, not a fact. You will say, "she thinks all animals are cute!" then we cannot go into anything else because that's that. I can bring up that "voices" also count; and the baboons didn't talk, therefore, we wouldn't be able to have the same effect as that of her previous band of "zombie-animals" and inconsistency.
It would be a pointless debate that takes unimportant details and tries to set up something that won't matter. The best example is all those Haki debates, they didn't go anywhere at all.
Which means nothing.
It offers more promise for her than it did comparing her to the other characters there. It also could be broadened upon to explain her character as something, which would ultimately end up making her a better person than one may think of her.
The preview panel showed that Luffy was still on that deserted island, I'm quite sure the next arc is going to be a reunion arc.
News to me…
It would be a pointless debate that takes unimportant details and tries to set up something that won't matter.
That seems the basis of all your theories.
NOT AGAIN!! .
This just gave me an idea for a forum bet.
It will be between people who think Perona will join and those who think she wont.(Only if you decide to take the bet) The losers on either side who loses will have to put " Kubo is the best mangaka of all time and Oda is a hack" in their sig for the next five months. So who wants in
Just saying
This the best stuff ever!!!!!
I want more.
To have one issue in her joining finally addressed: her horo powers.
There is only a vague explanation to base it off of, however, if Mihawk cuts her, then she is then proven a character which risks something when in horo form.
Well we haven't seen anything like that so far, which makes me go with the idea that Oda isn't going to expand on that because he's doing little more with her.
It becomes a debate that is based on an opinion, not a fact. You will say, "she thinks all animals are cute!" then we cannot go into anything else because that's that. I can bring up that "voices" also count; and the baboons didn't talk, therefore, we wouldn't be able to have the same effect as that of her previous band of "zombie-animals" and inconsistency.
It would be a pointless debate that takes unimportant details and tries to set up something that won't matter. The best example is all those Haki debates, they didn't go anywhere at all.
The thing about these types of debates is that one side has a much better opinion than the other, with the weaker side constantly finding little pointless arguments to somehow keep their argument afloat.
It offers more promise for her than it did comparing her to the other characters there. It also could be broadened upon to explain her character as something, which would ultimately end up making her a better person than one may think of her.
Sure, the spoiled brat is better as a person than the sexual predator or the necrophiliac, so much development to be had.
Not possible, even if she doesn't join the losers will still deny it and say it'll happen later…
I hope that happens, cause I want to read more of this:
She didn't let him talk because he didn't hold a "cute" voice. Think of it as a mother telling you to "always wear clean underwear" thing, where she's just trying to look out for that fellow.
An army? Viz doesn't agree there… I know exactly where you got this passage from, hell, it's fairly simple. Although, the meaning isn't what you think it is... The basis for her using that word could easily be due to Moria's bad influence.
The thought that "value" could be similar from an original example is an interesting and probable thought. Thank you very much.
This just gave me an idea for a forum bet.
It will be between people who think Perona will join and those who think she wont.(Only if you decide to take the bet) The losers on either side who loses will have to put " Kubo is the best mangaka of all time and Oda is a hack" in their sig for the next five months. So who wants in
Just saying
what about if the anti-Perona-Supporters lose, they get to wear Perona sets. (avatar, user title, signature).
I'd love to see more Perona avatars around.
Just saying
I'm already in a thrilling bet, so your bet is not on my agenda…
@Bobjr:
Well we haven't seen anything like that so far, which makes me go with the idea that Oda isn't going to expand on that because he's doing little more with her.
It happened with Robin, in a way… So. :happy: "Could be possible..."
The thing about these types of debates is that one side has a much better opinion than the other, with the weaker side constantly finding little pointless arguments to somehow keep their argument afloat.
No, it's just that "no" side has anything, and one side looks better because animals are freaking animals. To balance it out, if the other side used technicalities, then the pro-animals side would cease to have any point at all…
So, it's what you make of the context, and that's where the argument doesn't find any proper ground. To each, his own...
Sure, the spoiled brat is better as a person than the sexual predator or the necrophiliac, so much development to be had.
The "potential" isn't capped anywhere, we just know that she's not as bad as the other two–don't know how "good" she is. Is she a nun to them, probably not... However, if it was revealed that she was a nun, how are we to suggest that she wasn't when Oda hadn't ever removed that possibility.
SGR,
You asking for a little clarification? Does the sheep "BAAAAA!!" any louder?
Are the Perona supporters bad at comprehending literature.
I'l say it right here
If Perona joins, I'm gonna put a Perona face with the DoFlamingo tongue Windows-Paint-Pasted on her mouth as my avatar for 3 months
Are the Perona supporters bad at comprehending literature.
Why do you think they support Perona in the first place?
I'l say it right here
If Perona joins, I'm gonna put a Perona face with the DoFlamingo tongue Windows-Paint-Pasted on her mouth as my avatar for 3 months
Uhh, don`t risk too much
@TiT:
what about if the anti-Perona-Supporters lose, they get to wear Perona sets. (avatar, user title, signature).
I'd love to see more Perona avatars around.
It depends what everybody think is worse :ninja: