Oh shoot, I just broke the tie. I hope this doesn't alert anyone to where my opinion lies.
What are you talking about. There is already a clear favourite.
Oh shoot, I just broke the tie. I hope this doesn't alert anyone to where my opinion lies.
What are you talking about. There is already a clear favourite.
It boggles my mind that people still chose to ignore Perona's main character status.
It boggles my mind that people still chose to ignore Perona's main character status.
It boggles my mind that you're not banned yet.
It boggles my mind that you're not banned yet.
That doesn't make any sense but I should know better for baiting the Porons.
What are you talking about. There is already a clear favourite.
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I guess I broke the character tie. I really would rather not have any of the three, but picking none of the above is like a copout to me.
How come so many people think Perona will join? Has there been any hints of that in the manga? It just seems so random. That she´s on the same place as Zoro isn´t really a reason…
How come so many people think Perona will join? Has there been any hints of that in the manga? It just seems so random. That she´s on the same place as Zoro isn´t really a reason…
i see the point some people make. where would she go? she wont be staying with hawkeye, and i highly doubt that ODa will just leave her doing absolutely nothing.
i personally think she will either 1. form her own crew (Cute n Cuddly Pirate Crew) or she will go on a journey to find Moria
and i think the last crew will either be one of the guards of the mermaid princess, or a merman who is a super strong peasant that loved the princess all his life, but their love would not be because of their status.
I think that maybe she´ll come with Zoro just tpo get away from that island and maybe help him, since he can´t find anything. But Zoro can´t just decide for her to join the crew… She´ll probably try to find moria after that. I think the next one might be a fishmen och mermaid, but I don´t think it´ll be the last one. Just ´cause Luffy said he´d have a crew on atleast ten people, doesnt mean that there can´t be more than ten.
Hmmmm. Lots of Perona supporters have been using the argument "Where will she go to? What will she do?" And use it as some sort of a reason to join the SH.
Well, if you're joining my crew just because you got nothing better to do. I don't want you in my crew!!
Seriously, being in a pirate crew takes a certain amount of dedication and commitment. She seemed to have joined Moria for that exact reason, and oh look! When Moria was on the verge of defeat, she RAN!! I personally don't want anyone of the SH to cop out on Luffy like that.
What will she do then? Gedatsu made a hot spring bath. Wapol made a business empire. Enel went to the freakin moon. Perona can do whatever the hell Oda wants her to do!! (that sounded a bit kinky when I read it the second time)
Perona doesn't have to join the crew right away. All she has to do is be on the Sunny when it leaves shabondy.
Look at Vivi when they met inside Laboon, no one could have predicted she would join.
Zoro left his home island one day and never was able to find his way back.
So I do not believe he'll be able to find his way back to shabondy even with the vivrecard. He's gonna need some help.
Zoro has put his pride aside for the sake of Luffy's and he probably knows that by himself he'll have trouble finding his way back so him asking for someone to help him get back to sabaody would be logical. It will be either Mihawk, Perona or some random character. But why would he ask some random guy to help him when he has Perona who has been helping him already thus far.
…Or Mihawk, who already gave Zoro the means to return to Shabondy, and who would probably understand Biblicards a lot better than Perona (given that they're commonplace in the New World, and Mihawk has travelled through there before).
@Monkey:
Look at Vivi when they met inside Laboon, no one could have predicted she would join.
Flawless point.
…Or Mihawk, who already gave Zoro the means to return to Shabondy, and who would probably understand Biblicards a lot better than Perona (given that they're commonplace in the New World, and Mihawk has travelled through there before).
I think Zoro understands vivrecards but he's so weird that way that he'll probably go the other way or something.
Zoro aside, I think anyone with half a brain, Perona included, can follow a vivre card with no particular problem.
Of course Mihawk being so much more experienced and powerful would be an ideal guide but hasn't Zoro asked enough of him already? Besides, with Mihawk being a Warlord and all we have no guarantee he'll still be on the island when Zoro leaves. And yes Mihawk gave him a boat but made no inquiries as to whether Zoro needed a guide or not. Nor did Zoro ask Mihawk to be his guide. But that happened before Zoro put his pride aside for Luffy. Having put his pride aside, can Zoro admit to himself than he won't be able to get back to shabondy alone ?
The next chapters will be interesting.
Well, if you're joining my crew just because you got nothing better to do. I don't want you in my crew!!
Isn't that how Robin got an invite?
so have you guys figured it out in the 3 weeks or so since no chapter, or is it still just mindless circles?
Isn't that how Robin got an invite?
Perona HAS something better to do and that is looking for Moria if she hasnt already left the island searching for him.
Perona HAS something better to do and that is looking for Moria if she hasnt already left the island searching for him.
She was quite eager to leave Moria, and didn't regret it until she ended up lonely in an abandoned castle. It seems she would rather like to be independent from Moria. But as it is now she don't has the resources to do that.
Besides, 2 years later moria is bound to be on his feet again.
Perona was never eager to leave Moria, she just fled from him the moment she thought her life was in danger.
Cause she's a coward and a traitor and a terrible person.
STRAWHAT MATERIAL!!!
Yeah we already know that Oda just uses character for the crew who betrayed their boss <– Robin
Having a bitchy chara who just thinks about herself and wants others as her personal slaves<--Nami(?)
Is cuuuuuute(oww) and love cuuuuute things<--Chopper
= Perona
When we want someone unique in the crew then we definitely don`t want her.
@Don:
Yeah we already know that Oda just uses character for the crew who betrayed their boss <– Robin
Having a bitchy chara who just thinks about herself and wants others as her personal slaves<--Nami(?)
Is cuuuuuute(oww) and love cuuuuute things<--Chopper
= Perona
When we want someone unique in the crew then we definitely don`t want her.
Indeed. We need the cat kicker.
@That:
She was quite eager to leave Moria, and didn't regret it until she ended up lonely in an abandoned castle. It seems she would rather like to be independent from Moria. But as it is now she don't has the resources to do that.
I'm quite sure that the only reason she left Moria was because she thought that Oars was after her.
She's eager to leave.
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Perona intends to leave Kuma's shadow behind as a gift for Moria. It seems she's quite confident that Moria can get out of this mess alive. A dead Moria doesn't need Kuma's shadow.
Kuma's shadow is supposed to be a parting gift. Meaning she wants to part ways with Moria. Duh.
Perona thinks Moria can get out of this mess alive. But still wants to part ways.
No regrets, no intention to return to Moria.
She really wants to leave him.
Cause she's a coward and a traitor and a terrible person.
Oh noez.. Mr Airflow doesn't like Perona. Although Zoro trust Perona enough to let her know about their meeting spot, mr Airflow think she's a traitor and a terrible terrible person. Now she definitely won't be able join.
@TiT:
Oh noez.. Mr Airflow doesn't like Perona. Although Zoro trust Perona enough to let her know about their meeting spot, mr Airflow think she's a traitor and a terrible terrible person. Now she definitely won't be able join.
lol, weren't you the one whining about ad hominem a few pages back?
I also note you're unable to refute any of my claims.
@TiT:
Although Zoro trust Perona enough to let her know about their meeting spot, mr Airflow think she's a traitor and a terrible terrible person. Now she definitely won't be able join.
we dont know that zoro told perona where ….just when its not a huge whole in ur argument or anything just thought id point out that small flaw
@TiT:
Oh noez.. Mr Airflow doesn't like Perona. Although Zoro trust Perona enough to let her know about their meeting spot, mr Airflow think she's a traitor and a terrible terrible person. Now she definitely won't be able join.
Perona is a coward though she bolted at the first sign that things were going south. Even if Zoro puts in a good word for her, Nami would be quick to point this out seeing as she was the one who caught her doing this.
I would like Jimbei to join. He is very mature and has to look after Luffy. But I think Oda likes surprises and likes to build on his characters. So I am guessing will get a character full of potential and hidden secrets (Jimbei has probably reached his full strength). But hey, who knows?
It would be kind of funny to see everyone's reaction if she tries to punt Chopper.
@That:
She was quite eager to leave Moria, and didn't regret it until she ended up lonely in an abandoned castle. It seems she would rather like to be independent from Moria. But as it is now she don't has the resources to do that.
How can so many ppl get this wrong?
She was eager to survive even if it meant abandoning her captain and crew under the assumption that Moria would let Oars fuck all of TB up. She chose to be disloyal rather easily and definitively instead of staying. After that when interacting with Kuma she basically just asked for what she had at TB except not mentioning the servants and got sent away.
There was no eagerness to be independent of Moria.
Perona is a coward though she bolted at the first sign that things were going south. Even if Zoro puts in a good word for her, Nami would be quick to point this out seeing as she was the one who caught her doing this.
In the eyes of the Straw Hats Moria is evil. Betraying an evil man would be considered a good deed.
You don't see Luffy hating on Robin for betraying Crocodile do you?
@Zik:
How can so many ppl get this wrong?
She was eager to survive even if it meant abandoning her captain and crew under the assumption that Moria would let Oars fuck all of TB up. She chose to be disloyal rather easily and definitively instead of staying. After that when interacting with Kuma she basically just asked for what she had at TB except not mentioning the servants and got sent away.
There was no eagerness to be independent of Moria.
No matter how you look at it. Perona was very committed in leaving. Even mentioned she's parting ways with Moria. Never showed any regrets or hesitation.
This is not how you leave someone, if you have the intention to return to him later.
@TiT:
In the eyes of the Straw Hats Moria is evil. Betraying an evil man would be considered a good deed.
You don't see Luffy hating on Robin for betraying Crocodile do you?
Yes Luffy isn't angry that robin stopped an evil mastermind getting hold of a weapon strong enough to enable him to conquer the world
@TiT:
This is not how you leave someone, if you have the intention to return to him later.
hence her reaction to the article.
Yes Luffy isn't angry that robin stopped an evil mastermind getting hold of a weapon strong enough to enable him to conquer the world
I agree.
hence her reaction to the article.
Of course she would be sad if Moria dies.
Moria took care of her ever since she was a little kid. He's like a father figure to her.
Perona betrayed her evil boss.
Nami betrayed her evil boss and Robin betrayed her evil boss and many others before that.
Perona called Moria, Moria sama. It was a servant master thing. Not a friend thing. Luffy's pissed off if you betray your friends. I'm not sure so sure how he feels about evil master even if you didn't really hate your master. Luffy forgave Octo for associating with Arlong, did he not ?
@Monkey:
Perona betrayed her evil boss.
Nami betrayed her evil boss and Robin betrayed her evil boss and many others before that.
The reasons are different. Nami and Robin betrayed Crocodile and Arlong because they were bad guys. Perona betrayed Moria because she is a coward.
The reasons are different. Nami and Robin betrayed Crocodile and Arlong because they were bad guys. Perona betrayed Moria because she is a coward.
It's the whole betray your boss thing theme that matters.
Not wanting to die for Moria's sake hardly means you're a coward.
Robin ran away from the marines betraying her pirate captain boss, not wanting to be captured and sent to ID for the guy's sake, does that mean she's a coward as well ? I'm not talking about Croc, by the way, but this guy who doesn't seem like a bad guy.
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Give it your best last shot Perona-supporters, because in 2-3 weeks we will finally see if Perona went with Zoro to Shabondy or stayed with the baboons.
Then you`re finally proven wrong.
@Don:
Give it your best last shot Perona-supporters, because in 2-3 weeks we will finally see if Perona went with Zoro to Shabondy or stayed with the baboons.
Then you`re finally proven wrong.
I wonder..
Are you really sure about that? You have absolutely no doubt? To you there is no way that Perona could accompany Zoro to Shabondy?
@Monkey:
It's the whole betray your boss thing theme that matters.
No, it's not, what really matters is the motives that lead them to betray their boss.
Not wanting to die for Moria's sake hardly means you're a coward.
Come on! She has worked for him for many years and when things began turning bad, she decided to flee. If that isn't a coward behaviour, tell me what it is?
Robin ran away from the marines betraying her pirate captain boss, not wanting to be captured and sent to ID for the guy's sake, does that mean she's a coward as well ? I'm not talking about Croc, by the way, but this guy who doesn't seem like a bad guy.
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That's the page before the one you posted. It is more likely those guys were going to betray her. That's why she left.
@Don:
Give it your best last shot Perona-supporters, because in 2-3 weeks we will finally see if Perona went with Zoro to Shabondy or stayed with the baboons.
Then you`re finally proven wrong.
I hope they are wrong it will be hell on earth if she goes with Zoro it will be "Revenge of the Perona Supporters" you better not jinx it Don.
@TiT:
I wonder..
Are you really sure about that? You have absolutely no doubt? To you there is no way that Perona could accompany Zoro to Shabondy?
When she doesnt even accompany Zoro to Shabondy you
re finally proved wrong with the manga that Perona will join.
When she rly goes with him you have another few weeks to bring your predictions in here till we finally see that the crew will sail off without here..
So maybe Perona buys you guys some time, but even that is doubtable.
Warning biased crap from the rabbit!
The idea of "where else would Robin go" equating to "where else would Perona go" isn't exactly one to one.
Robin's entire history is one of being hunted at a very early age for surviving a buster call designed to wipe out all scholars of the true history. That ridiculous bounty placed on her as a child forced her to rely on unsavory characters like Mr. 0 to provide not only shelter, but also social contact. When she finally meets Luffy and company decades later, she is irresistibly drawn to their absolute loyalty to each other, as she had never seen that level of trust since a forgotten childhood. Even then, it took an entire arc for her to completely trust Luffy, ultimately culminating in the form of a second buster call. As if we really needed any further proof of Robin's revival of spirit after meeting luffy, her reply to the Revolution's offer of protection just before the skip said it all.
With Perona, there's no 'luffy as crusader' connection. She flees Moria when the going gets rough and when she is offered where to go, she picks solitude. The closest hint of regret Perona has demonstrated is forgetting to demand servants in her new home. Perona has a place to go, a goth location same as before, but this time with servants that can only do her will.Dammit where's that bear man. There's just no literary purchase to reintroduce Perona to Luffy at this stage of the story as far as I can see, and she just doesn't fall into how the other crew joined.
Examples
A similar thread narrates Nami's life as well. Blackmailed by Arlong at an early age and isolated from anyone deserving of her trust, she is slowly won over by luffy's unconditional love over a period of arcs. Luffy's liberation of her home town and banishment of one of OP's rare perma-villains broke down her final issues about trusting again. The narrative gives us overt clues when Genzo the pinwheel man recognizes she is finally happy as she is leaving for the new world.
Most of the present crew follows this sort of personal problem fixed by Luffy's extending his unconditional love to them.
General thumbnails mind you…
Zoro with wrongly being branded a criminal+ world best swordsman + nowhere else to go
Usopp having his town and girl saved + be a great pirate of the sea + nowhere else to go.
Sanji having his patron's dream and his home kitchen saved + find all blue + nowhere else to go.
Chopper Luffy saving his home and friends from Vapolu + be the best doctor he can + nowhere else to go
Vivi having her country and friends saved + Dream of being loyal to her nation + has a place to go and therefore a duty to not join
Robin Finally having a home to call home, friends to call friends + learn the true history
Franky doesn't have a compelling reason to join imo as luffy never really did much to vindicate him. If anything, Franky is sort of a package deal of shipwright and sunny, necessitated by the going Merry's much foreshadowed burial. Nowhere else to go considering his House mates evicted him in a comical fashion.
Brook Luffy not only got the guy off an abandoned ship, he got Brook's shadow back. Nowhere else to go in an absolute sense, but add to that luffy picking up a musician for next crew mate was a running gag for how many years?
If I look at 3 people up for bid this round with the same background, only Jinbei partially fits the bill.
Luffy charged into impel Down and 'gave Jinbei a reason to live again'. Kinda overdramatic for my tastes but those were roughly his words and he has mentioned thanks for dealing with Arlong.
From there though, his goals are what really? Protecting Luffy on account ace asked him to, or protecting fishman island? As for where he can go, Fishman Island like he is during the time skip.
Come to think of it, I really don't want to see any of these guys join when push comes to shove. Holding out for the Bon, against all reason!
Perona haters… Even "Killer Baboons magically turning into cute loyal fairy servants by mimicking Zoro x Mihawk spar matches" is considered evidence that Perona can not join. Pathetic.
@TiT:
No matter how you look at it. Perona was very committed in leaving.
Because she didn't want to die.
Even mentioned she's parting ways with Moria. Never showed any regrets or hesitation.
So? That just shows how disloyal she was.
This is not how you leave someone, if you have the intention to return to him later.
She's an opportunist. She left planning on taking the SHs ship and all the treasure in hopes of living off that for a while. Instead she got screwed by Kuma. She's already been seeing crying about Moria. If she catches wind of him being alive and in a stable position like when she was with she'd run right back given her current situation.
Perona won't join because she's too weak. I'm pretty sure Oda once said Usopp will always be the weakest of strawhats otherwise it would wreck the balance of the crew and if Perona jins the Usopp wouldn't be the weakest anymore.