To hell with etiquete, Oda chastized authors who follow too closely the fan's "Advice", and I made the "full of shit" conection to certain other authors.
Hunter x Hunter
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Oda is an A ranking adventure writer.
And since that's exactly what he aspires at…Also HXH better plot? Really?
What he said about Kishi, or at least we think so, is a comment about how he he doesn't like having romance in OP, and if people want that they should go read a shoujo comic. Some people think that was in reference to Naruto though honestly I don't really know why.
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I should probably go take a look at this before commenting, but I sincerely hope this doesn't come back to bite Oda's ass in the future.
Irony is not so funny in these sorts of situations.
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@JERK:
Oda is an A ranking adventure writer.
And since that's exactly what he aspires at…Also HXH better plot? Really?
What he said about Kishi, or at least we think so, is a comment about how he he doesn't like having romance in OP, and if people want that they should go read a shoujo comic. Some people think that was in reference to Naruto though honestly I don't really know why.
I know, he also said he didn't want anyone to give him ideas not even his editors
Somehow that translates to OLOLOL KISHIMOTO BASHING because Kishi follows his editors orders like a poodle
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@JERK:
Oda is an A ranking adventure writer.
And since that's exactly what he aspires at…Also HXH better plot? Really?
What he said about Kishi, or at least we think so, is a comment about how he he doesn't like having romance in OP, and if people want that they should go read a shoujo comic. Some people think that was in reference to Naruto though honestly I don't really know why.
Also didn't he say something about Kubo along the lines of pointing out that he's the guy who doesn't plan out his series? And I think Bucephalus gives HxH more credit in story over OP simply because it's darker.
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also why did Oda even bother criticizing Kishimoto… though I haven't read the interview, it sounds like unnecessary flaming. It's like when Stephen King criticized the author of those Twilight books. Yes, both Naruto and Twilight are bad, but Oda and Stephen King aren't really that good of writers.
Stephenie Meyer is an affront to literature. Mentally handicapped third graders are better writers than her.
I mean, for fucks sake:
The Writing: blah blah blah
I woke up (on that June 2nd) from a very vivid dream. In my dream, two people were having an intense conversation in a meadow in the woods. One of these people was just your average girl. The other person was fantastically beautiful, sparkly, and a vampire. They were discussing the difficulties inherent in the facts that A) they were falling in love with each other while B) the vampire was particularly attracted to the scent of her blood, and was having a difficult time restraining himself from killing her immediately. For what is essentially a transcript of my dream, please see Chapter 13 ("Confessions") of the book
Hell, Dan Brown is a better writer than she is and he's bad.
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Also didn't he say something about Kubo along the lines of pointing out that he's the guy who doesn't plan out his series?
I'll need a direct link to this; a quote, at least.
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I'll need a direct link to this; a quote, at least.
I saw it on these forums that's for sure, if I can dig it up I'll post it.
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So suddenly I hear that Oda turns out to be a manga criticizer.
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Also didn't he say something about Kubo along the lines of pointing out that he's the guy who doesn't plan out his series?
That one I've never heard, Oda said that he has the end of one piece planed, he didn't said anything about other authors.
I know, he also said he didn't want anyone to give him ideas not even his editors
Somehow that translates to OLOLOL KISHIMOTO BASHING because Kishi follows his editors orders like a poodle
Ok, here's the interview Greg's Translation
! @Interview:
! > -So the dignity you carry as a boy’s comic author Oda-san, is it safe to say that was something you’d already set in stone from when you started One Piece?Yeah I think so. Because I mean, I approached it thinking that since I’m drawing for a boys’ comic magazine, then it’s my job to make sure they enjoy what they’re reading. When you actually do become a professional you’ll start getting fan letters and other things and you’ll soon find that the overwhelming majority of them are from girls. Boys just aren’t the type to pick up a pen*. (laughs) They don’t have things like stationary or stamps and they don’t think about going through the ‘grueling task’ of writing someone just to say, “That was cool.” Boys are a life form that enjoy something but won’t bother to tell you that they actually do.
*lit. brushSo I learned that girls will flood you with their opinions and when I took at step back and looked at the world of manga, I realized that there are a lot of people out there that made me think, “This [author] is really just going along with the girls’ opinions.” And ultimately, if you’re considering those opinions as the ‘needs of the customer’ when you write the story, you’re just left with a girl’s manga. (laughs) It’s like, if you do that, you’re only writing to entertain girls, and that’s just wrong.
I don't care about this point anymore, while I was reading the wrong interview I was getting ready to apologise. But if I go around complaining about people who make me re-read stuff from last december you read it, you'll think that it's you, my boss reads it and he'll think that's him, the client reads it and then it's him.
Finaly, I'm not saying that my interpretation is flawles, then go ahead, make yours.
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I still can't find any interview with Oda and Shinobu but I did find a good interview with Inoue and Oda.
What Oda said in that Strong World interview is right. You don't let the fans write your story no matter what unless you've gone off the deep end and are tanking it lol. That shit reminds me of when the Joker killed Robin.
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That one I've never heard, Oda said that he has the end of one piece planed, he didn't said anything about other authors.
Ok, here's the interview Greg's Translation
I don't care about this point anymore, while I was reading the wrong interview I was getting ready to apologise. But if I go around complaining about people who make me re-read stuff from last december you read it, you'll think that it's you, my boss reads it and he'll think that's him, the client reads it and then it's him.
Finaly, I'm not saying that my interpretation is flawles, then go ahead, make yours.
What the fuck are you blabbering about
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Wait, what? You will translate this one?
Of course. If I find the print version. The j-sites have the particular phrase posted everywhere and it's basically the manifesto of the site I posted in the Japan thread a while back which is dedicated to getting Oda fired.
The funny thing is he's right. In English it's just a matter-of-fact statement but in Japanese it's like raping Togashi's wife and forcing her to have an abortion then eat the fetus.
Or not.
But it's still pretty harsh. He basically says (paraphrasing) "I believe we should have popularity rankings for comics because I work really hard and I can't believe that some others are even allowed to be called 'mangaka'."
ouch.
Did he mention Togashi by name? No. But everyone and their mother instantly replied either:
"How can he say that about Togashi!!!!!!!?"
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"lol He's talking about Togashi."
The interview itself is in the Liar Game equivalent of YELLOW. If I remember correctly it's 'Liar Game INVITATION'. I've been searching for it at bookstores and second-hand places for months.
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In that SW interview I can't be sure but it seemed like he was taking a pot-shot at Kubo (Bleach's JUMP Festa Stages have been ((every year I've been)) dominated by teen and tween girls squealing at that ice man-child). I can't imagine he'd actually aim at a regular in JUMP though. (Togashi obviously not in that category)
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wow, drama. I'm not surprised but wow.
I don't think Oda is taking a shot at Kubo though from the translation. Maybe the phrasing is much stronger in Japanese
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I don't think Oda is taking a shot at Kubo though from the translation. Maybe the phrasing is much stronger in Japanese
We can dream, can't we?
And I really hope Oda is able to get over this in the future. It's only going to lead to bad things for him.
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In that SW interview I can't be sure but it seemed like he was taking a pot-shot at Kubo (Bleach's JUMP Festa Stages have been ((every year I've been)) dominated by teen and tween girls squealing at that ice man-child). I can't imagine he'd actually aim at a regular in JUMP though. (Togashi obviously not in that category)
From what I've read of Bleach it never looked like a shojo manga to me, always felt like pretty cookie cutter shonen
A terrible shonen alright, but a shonen nevertheless
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Well, he's taking a shot at someone.
That writes a shonen comic.
And happens to be popular with girls.
To the point that the author has 'altered' the story to reflect the wishes or desires of, specifically, female fans.
Is he talking about someone from the same magazine? I dunno. That takes some pretty hefty balls. But Oda has said stuff that's gotten him in a LOT of shit in the past.
Things I've noticed in translating all the Table of Contents comments:
Since at least 2002, Kubo has never said anything to/about Oda despite them being the top three. Even when OP reached 10 years. Even when Oda got married. Likewise Oda has never said anything about Kubo.
Oda didn't congratulate Kubo on 10 years.
Oda did congratulate Kishimoto on 10 years AND his wedding.
From what I've read of Bleach it never looked like a shojo manga to me
Aldrich! What the fuck is up? How the hell are you?
I'm sorry if the translation infers that Oda's saying something 'is' a shojo manga. He's not saying that it (whatever manga it might be) is or isn't a shojo manga, but simply that altering the story or utilizing ideas just to please female fans detracts from it being 'shonen' which defeats the purpose.
Oda is basically being a stoic Japanese geezer stuck in his conservative ways….as a mangaka.
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This was all about me using Shojo to describe the "big" 2? It wasn't about the romance, it was about the female fans influencing the author.
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The plot thickens.
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He basically says (paraphrasing) "I believe we should have popularity rankings for comics because I work really hard and I can't believe that some others are even allowed to be called 'mangaka'."
Is he talking about someone from the same magazine? I dunno. That takes some pretty hefty balls. But Oda has said stuff that's gotten him in a LOT of shit in the past.
whistles Damn. That's pretty direct. What has he said in the past? I never knew about all this drama.
Also, there's one copy of Liar Game/Invitation available on Amazon Japan right now, Greg. Though you might be wanting to hunt it down IRL…
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Mangawise I would understand if he was talking about Bleach or Naruto. HxH is even to OP though, aside from the legendary Togashiism thing.
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Oda is either very idealistic or kinda assholish. I mean, even Akira Toriyama was not a hard worker.
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Tori was one of the hardest working mangaka. He sounded lazy at times but his breaks were less than Oda's I think.
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@JERK:
Also HXH better plot? Really?
I like how unpredictable HxH can be, I like how the characters gives up some things they started, because they are unable to do it, or because they don't feel like doing it.
Example: " We need money, let's earn it by buying some cheap items and sell them at a high price… Well that's not a good way to earn a lot, let's do something else."
"Hey, The Mafia will give a lot of money to whoever will capture members of the Genei Ryodan, let's find some... Finally, those guys are too strong for us, let's give up."
"There is a final stage in the Heavens Arena with some awesome fighters... We don't care about them, let's go."
@Sea:
Oda is either very idealistic or kinda assholish. I mean, even Akira Toriyama was not a hard worker.
I don't know why he said that. Is it really needed when you are the author of the best-selling manga ?
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Although Oda and Toriyama are very hard workers. If you noticed, when Oda takes his time off, he does come back with a plot just as strong. The same happens with Togashi if you ask me, but I'm a massive Togashi fan. There is a clue all three mentioned are my top top fave mangaka, in my username and avatar :p
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Toriyama was lazy. The backgrounds were usually destroyed easily so that he had not to draw them. he never bothered drawing rain (his assistants did). The character designs, according to him, were did as simplistic as possible.
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Oh wait you mean laziness as in backgrounds and stuff. I thought you meant as in time off from the manga lol.
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I don't know why he said that. Is it really needed when you are the author of the best-selling manga ?
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Well Togashi's symbol is the dog, there's gotta be some laziness lol.
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I like Togashi for not wanting to adhere to the Japanese way of work, hell I have a friend who had a stage in Japan and he told me everyone worked like crazy, 10minutes lunch break and a lot of over hours. I could't work like that, I'd go crazy.
So Oda mind your own business please. Togashi is a brilliant mangaka.
It's considered proper etiquette when you've been exposed as being full of shit to stop insisting that you're right
Where on earth does this etiquette apply?
I like how unpredictable HxH can be, I like how the characters gives up some things they started, because they are unable to do it, or because they don't feel like doing it.
Example: " We need money, let's earn it by buying some cheap items and sell them at a high price… Well that's not a good way to earn a lot, let's do something else."
"Hey, The Mafia will give a lot of money to whoever will capture members of the Genei Ryodan, let's find some... Finally, those guys are too strong for us, let's give up."
"There is a final stage in the Heavens Arena with some awesome fighters... We don't care about them, let's go."
Togashi managed to create a complicated world where you know everything is in motion. All sort of things happen off screen. I can't imagine what Hanzo, the flute girl, the auction guy, etc.. are doing right now.
A 'real' world where "harsh reality" exists. That's what I like about hunterxhunter.
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Since at least 2002, Kubo has never said anything to/about Oda despite them being the top three. Even when OP reached 10 years. Even when Oda got married. Likewise Oda has never said anything about Kubo.
Oda didn't congratulate Kubo on 10 years.
Oda did congratulate Kishimoto on 10 years AND his wedding.
Now thats interesting. Did Kubo say anything to Kishimoto on those occassions? Did Kishi say anything to Kubo? (I realize that wouldn't be something you were looking for when recording Oda's notes, but now I'm curious.)
@Sea:
Toriyama was lazy. The backgrounds were usually destroyed easily so that he had not to draw them. he never bothered drawing rain (his assistants did). The character designs, according to him, were did as simplistic as possible.
Dude did what he had to do to make deadlines and streamline the process. And if you aren't TOLD the reason everyone wears the same uniforms is for streamlining, its not a thing and it makes for a comraderie bond look. The actual quality of the art stayed pretty strong and he didn't take too many breaks as far as I know. A one month hiatus after the Piccollo arc prior to Raditz?
He may have been a complaining lazy bastard, but he got his work done and it looked good and he was number 1 for decades (And OP is still indebted to him). If the assistants did background work, well… that's what they're there for.
I like Togashi for not wanting to adhere to the Japanese way of work, hell I have a friend who had a stage in Japan and he told me everyone worked like crazy, 10minutes lunch break and a lot of over hours. I could't work like that, I'd go crazy.
That's comics, on both sides of the shore. Deadlines never end and theres never enough hours in the day.
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Of course. If I find the print version. The j-sites have the particular phrase posted everywhere and it's basically the manifesto of the site I posted in the Japan thread a while back which is dedicated to getting Oda fired.
What boundless idiocy is THIS ?
Wait what do those guys say again ? I mean….........out of all the people in Jump right now , Togashi who barely does ten chapers a year and Kubo whose been arseholing one arc for six years now , they want to fire a guy whose actualy been giving a damn about his story ?
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I don't know about the rest of you but this owns.
Togashi may make a great manga, but if he seriously isn't working on it because of laziness then that's fucking ridiculous and his ass should be called on it. ESPECIALLY by his peers.
Think of how many failed mangakas fall dead after struggling just to get to Jumps gates, or even when once inside. Their whole dreams and ambitions just barely getting off the ground only to be canceled.
And this one nigga who has all the popularity in the world, and a history of multiple Jump serializations wants to play a video game for near whole 365 periods.
Snuff that fool.And no Coronation Day doesn't count since it isn't my career. :whistling:
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I dont think Oda is talking about the hiatus (at least what I can read from the popularity rank). I think that he is rather talking about lazyness that affects the quality of the manga.
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^ So Oda's talking about those chicken scratch chapters that were actually released to the public? Other than that one time the art hasn't dropped in quality.
I could see him being shocked at that after ignoring the fact that HxH has been on multiple hiatuses for such a long time since Oda strikes me as a mangaka that not only reads his peers work but is actually a fan of some of them stories.
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The only problem with recent in story Hunter X Hunter is the pure insanity featured in the narration and things like Man-Gon.
Laziness has nothing to do with anything.
I don't see why he isn't and wouldn't be talking about the hiatuses.
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The way I see it: A guy worked his ass of, built a reputation, received some privileges. Why are other jealous niggas complaining?
What? You like to do the same but can't, well suck on it.
What? You want me to change my ways, well suck on it.I'm the first one to be happy with weekly HxH, but if it's at the cost of the 'inspired' story, no way.
Look at Naruto for example, the guy is working hard, but he obviously doesn't care anymore for the story as he has been in the beginning.I got your back Togashi, just do your thing.
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Question, was it the same thing with Yu Yu Hakusho or was the release normal ?
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So, people say that Oda isn't allowed to call out the bad professional attitude when the industry enviroment for every One Piece has tens of Bleaches and Inu Yashas.
Bull.
On a side note, you don't see King C lurking everyday at AP.
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Of course. If I find the print version. The j-sites have the particular phrase posted everywhere and it's basically the manifesto of the site I posted in the Japan thread a while back which is dedicated to getting Oda fired.
The funny thing is he's right. In English it's just a matter-of-fact statement but in Japanese it's like raping Togashi's wife and forcing her to have an abortion then eat the fetus.
Or not.
But it's still pretty harsh. He basically says (paraphrasing) "I believe we should have popularity rankings for comics because I work really hard and I can't believe that some others are even allowed to be called 'mangaka'."
ouch.
Did he mention Togashi by name? No. But everyone and their mother instantly replied either:
"How can he say that about Togashi!!!!!!!?"
or
"lol He's talking about Togashi."
The interview itself is in the Liar Game equivalent of YELLOW. If I remember correctly it's 'Liar Game INVITATION'. I've been searching for it at bookstores and second-hand places for months.
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In that SW interview I can't be sure but it seemed like he was taking a pot-shot at Kubo (Bleach's JUMP Festa Stages have been ((every year I've been)) dominated by teen and tween girls squealing at that ice man-child). I can't imagine he'd actually aim at a regular in JUMP though. (Togashi obviously not in that category)
God, you still have that avatar
Someone passed that interview blurb along to me and I just wanted to comment and/or ask some things.
Mainly because I doubt he's talking about Togashi. It could be anyone, I think
In the context of "popularity rankings," I was talking with a friend and he pointed out that a bunch of manga magazines have NO popularity rankings whatsoever, and that Weekly Jump is the only magazine with some a strict one.
And also, it's not like HXH is unpopular. It's immensely popular, on the same level as the "big three". Otherwise, Togashi would not be able to get away with so many vacations (in addition to him being a "legend"). So it's not like HXH is only sticking around because Togashi plays racqetball with Torishima
It's also Togashi's level as a "legend" that makes me really doubtful that Oda would slight him specifically like that. He's someone who seems to be immensely respectful to his peers and to the artists who preceded him in the magazine. He's also apparently really friendly to most of his Jump colleagues (but what you posted about him and Kubo Tite is really interesting. I never knew that) from his weekly comments in the magazine. So I doubt he'd attack any of them in public like that
(especially since, from my understanding, the politics at Jump are really sensitive and he could get a lot of hell from the editors for saying something like that)
These are just my impressions. You have a much better perspective on the culture and the situation, so I could be very wrong. I just wanted to point these things out, to see if I'm on the right track or not
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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How many other mangakas aside from kishi has Oda directly referred to greg?
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Oda definately mentioned Murata, Inagaki, Takei, Watsuki, Shimabukuro, and Usuta. And he drops Kaitani's name from time to time, they seem to be close friends.
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I doubt , unless it's positive , he would refer to anyone directly . As in he will say other mangaka's names only when he has something nice to say .
Also Holy shit Carter . Now I've seen everything .
Oh and I dunno , but personaly I hope the people at Jump get tired of Togashi's antics one day . I mean there is only so much people can do before you start hating them to the morrow of their bones .
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Question, was it the same thing with Yu Yu Hakusho or was the release normal ?
The release was normal but there was some trouble at the end of the manga.
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Knowing how polite japanese people are all the time and having the attitude to don
t confront someone or go against someones opinion, its sure a big thing when Oda critizes something.
Non the less he wasn`t talking to someone specific!He, as a hard working mangaka who stands out as the shining role model of a diligent bee, who loves his job and to make his fans happy just stated that in his opinion some mangakas, who aren
t with their full heart behind their work arent real mangakas for him.Everyone immeadaly thought about Togashi..
I guess that lies in his own responsibility.
He has that image of a lazy guy right now, but in my opinion Oda just wanted to honour those mangakas who work their ass of for the thing they love..like Oda himself show it day after day.
Its normal that not all mangakas are friends but to respect someone more because of his hard work is a normal thing in Japan or isnt it.The interview itself is in the Liar Game equivalent of YELLOW. If I remember correctly it's 'Liar Game INVITATION'. I've been searching for it at bookstores and second-hand places for months.
For Liar Game some data books exists:blink:
Damn nice…
But Greg why exactly was it printed there?
Is also Kaitani in that interview..i rly hope you get an exemplar soon.Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
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Togashi doesn't care about black people.
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@JERK:
Togashi doesn't care about black people.
He doesn't agree.
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@Don:
For Liar Game some data books exists:blink:
Damn nice…
But Greg why exactly was it printed there?
Is also Kaitani in that interview..i rly hope you get an exemplar soon.It's like Oda and Toriyama, and Oda and Inoue, special interviews for the databooks.
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