a) that wasn't the question, it was whether they were rookies or not
b) We have absolutely no idea if that's the case for Jinbei seeing as we know nearly nothing about him. Come Fishman Island we're either going to get a flashback from him or another fishman (if you don't believe this you're deluded) and if the flashbacks from him then we'll see his motives.
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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Good man.
Creepy as ever except Sebbe departed the sinking ship.
Oh well, it makes for a decent warmup I suppose.
Their situations aren't the same as Jinbei's.
That's good, since I wouldn't expect Oda to exactly repeat what he already did. Wait, did you intend this as a con?
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A little thought you can ponder on.
What if Luffy asks Jinbei to join, will he accept?
We know there are people who are captains, like Luffy (who got an invitation to join the Whitebeard pirates and declined) and followers.
In this case, even though Jinbei was a captain of a crew and a shichibukai, he was set up by Oda in such a way that him joining a crew wouldn't be that shocking.
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If anyone were to join, I'd personally love to see Bon join the crew, but that is a whim at best. Mr. 2 reappearing and joining would be akin to a poof here's brook type thing, but one I'd love to see happen.
I do not see Perona even having a remote chance of joining even if she and Zoro became best of buddies. Never once has Zoro ever made a request of Luffy to my knowledge, making the "she followed me home, can I keep her?" that much more unlikely.
Hancock doesn't have a chance only because if only because a bizarre love triangle of Sanji drooling over a Hancock drooling over an oblivious Luffy would derail the crew dynamic.
I would say Jinbei after two years of acting as FI's patron is the most likely if anyone at all has a chance. Relative powers of the crew are entirely up to Oda though I would imagine the monster trio at least needs to be on par with the heavy hitters like the Fishman.
Other than early in One piece Luffy talking about 10 crewmates, is there any other indicator we really can expect two more crew? I for one would not mind sticking with the crew as it is.
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Lastly, are the Perona fans still holding on for dear life?
You say 'still' but the situation has'nt changed too much. A bit here and a bit there but nothing definite. And that last chapter did'nt help either where I thought it might of. Thing is no-one still knows why Oda brought the character back. Even less so now than before.
@Darkstorm:Creepy as ever except Sebbe departed the sinking ship.
I promise i'm not….mostly
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@Hyperkinetic:
Hancock doesn't have a chance only because if only because a bizarre love triangle of Sanji drooling over a Hancock drooling over an oblivious Luffy would derail the crew dynamic.
So, more chance of humor means less chance of joining?
And derail the crew dynamic? :wassat: Why? It would only add to it.
I can take the argument that she needs to stay behind to protect her island, but this argument of yours is pure bias.
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Perona is Mihawk's maid.
Jinbei is Vivi the "Fishman edition".
Hancock is the One Piece equivalent to Chichi.
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@Superbear:
Perona is Mihawk's maid.
Jinbei is Vivi the "Fishman edition".
Hancock is the One Piece equivalent to Chichi.
Case in point none of these people are going to join.Brand new discoveries you made there pal. Took you what, a month of concentration to finally get that Hancock and Perona aren't joining? Jinbei's a legit possibility, it's all up to Oda if he's gonna make it happen.
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@Gol:
Brand new discoveries you made there pal. Took you what, a month of concentration to finally get that Hancock and Perona aren't joining? Jinbei's a legit possibility, it's all up to Oda if he's gonna make it happen.
You don't read do you? I was aganist Perona joining, I never thought Jinbei was going to join, and I was on the fence about Hancock. But of course you only made your post to get my attention, and bark "YOUR A BAD POSTER" over and over again. You're not witty sir and I will not be flame-baited by you.
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Perona is not gonna spend 2 years with Zoro and Mihawk just to run back to Moria as soon as she gets the chance.
Perona symbolically severed her ties with Moria's crew where she tried to leave TB.Yet she whined about him anyways. She doesn't care for anyone but herself and her cute fuzzy animals. So why would she be on the ship of the guy who basically scared her till she fainted. IMHO though
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I'm all for Perona living with Mihawk from now on. She could probably use her hollows to depress the Humandrillus and make them her servants if she really wants servants that badly. That way she is close to the lifestyle she wants.
Mihawk will raise/force a group of Humandrillus to be Perona's servants to shut her up.
That search function really is something.
I got an idea similar to these after thinking about the latest chapter. The Humandrillus mimic human action. Maybe watching Perona get bossed around so much will allow those monkeys to become the servants Perona desires.
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@Gol:
Brand new discoveries you made there pal. Took you what, a month of concentration to finally get that Hancock and Perona aren't joining? Jinbei's a legit possibility, it's all up to Oda if he's gonna make it happen.
I don't believe Jinbei will join either, he doesn't have a dream like the rest of the crew does, and I don't believe he would fit as part of the group
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^ That's excactly why none of them is going to join. They will probably still be in the New World as their allies.
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@Rubber:
I don't believe Jinbei will join either, he doesn't have a dream like the rest of the crew does
lol why do people keep saying this, we have no idea if he has a dream or not. Would you have said Brook didn't have a dream before the Laboon flashback was revealed?
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Jinbei is part of the old gen, who knows just how much has he traveled in the New World…
Crew reaches 1 island :
Luffy : Yes this look like fun , lets go adventure!
Jinbei : oh this is the island of nut cracking rocks, so just protect your groin.
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Boa is a Shichibukai only because she wants to protect her island from the World Goverment and men. If she decided to join the Straw Hat crew her title will be revoked with out question, also if Luffy invited her to join would she be that selfish to let her island be targeted?
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lol why do people keep saying this, we have no idea if he has a dream or not. Would you have said Brook didn't have a dream before the Laboon flashback was revealed?
Well we had just meet brook, and we didn't really know anything about his past, except that he had already died.
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Boa is a Shichibukai only because she wants to protect her island from the World Goverment and men. If she decided to join the Straw Hat crew her title will be revoked with out question, also if Luffy invited her to join would she be that selfish to let her island be targeted?
Did you actually read the manga?
She is the personification of selfish. This is the main reason why she doesn't fit in the Strawhat crew though it would give much room for character growth. -
I'm guessing that one of the two last nakamas will be a giant from Elbaf. I can only assume the final battle for One Piece is going to be between the Blackbeard pirates and Luffy's crew. That would mean each crew member would have to fight one of Blackbeard's members. There really isn't anyone in Luffy's crew who would fit in a match up against the giant on Blackbeards crew.
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Did you actually read the manga?
Yes, i was just pointing out the obvious.
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I'm guessing that one of the two last nakamas will be a giant from Elbaf. I can only assume the final battle for One Piece is going to be between the Blackbeard pirates and Luffy's crew. That would mean each crew member would have to fight one of Blackbeard's members. There really isn't anyone in Luffy's crew who would fit in a match up against the giant on Blackbeards crew.
that would be awesome.
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Yeah, but he wouldn't fit on the ship.
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@S.C.:
Yeah, but he wouldn't fit on the ship.
Maybe he/she will have eaten a devil fruit that allows them to get bigger/smaller? idk I just think it would be awesome for a giant to be in Luffy's crew.
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in 2 years time skip, boa will quit the shichi and join luffy..LoL
no, but i think the mermaid princess will join :)
and a giant too
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^As long as the potential female addition to Straw Hat can compete with Nami's and Robin's sizes, I'm fine with whoever it turns out to be…
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^As long as the potential female addition to Straw Hat can compete with Nami's and Robin's sizes, I'm fine with whoever it turns out to be…
if i remember correctly, hacchi said that the mermaid princess can rival the beauty of hancock..if that'sa valid point :p anyway, im just speculating :D
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Maybe he/she will have eaten a devil fruit that allows them to get bigger/smaller? idk I just think it would be awesome for a giant to be in Luffy's crew.
You mean Sengoku will join the Strawhats? :O
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The Giant Bruce from one of the video games already has a Devil Fruit that allows him to shrink. The Mini Mini Fruit.
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@Rubber:
Well we had just meet brook, and we didn't really know anything about his past, except that he had already died.
Jenbei seemed to care for his island and friends rather than a certain goal.Yeah, that's true. Considering his personality, I think it's a safer bet to say he will stay in FI protecting the island when Luffy will leave it than to say he is going to leave with the crew.
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You mean Sengoku will join the Strawhats? :O
Sengoku's fruit seemed a little different than just changing his size–I mean he did send out a shockwave + he was glowing. Also, Sengoku's devil fruit hasn't really been explained yet, so the ability is still up for grabs.
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I'll throw in here some random thoughts I had while re-reading the series…
Sometime ago, Greg was discuting here about the return of Vivi, and how it would be a good idea for her go to Sabaody too, after the timeskip...
I, also thinking about her return, didn't think the best way would be like this, but couldn't think about a better one....But, how about this.....We pretty much know the ancient weapons will be important in the future, and we also know there is one hidden in Arabasta and Robin knows where it is...
Maybe, just maybe, the Strawhats will need Pluton to counter-attack BB, or other threat, and that will be the time when Vivi can join again, maybe near the very end of the series....
Any thoughts???
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I'll throw in here some random thoughts I had while re-reading the series…
Sometime ago, Greg was discuting here about the return of Vivi, and how it would be a good idea for her go to Sabaody too, after the timeskip...
I, also thinking about her return, didn't think the best way would be like this, but couldn't think about a better one....But, how about this.....We pretty much know the ancient weapons will be important in the future, and we also know there is one hidden in Arabasta and Robin knows where it is...
Maybe, just maybe, the Strawhats will need Pluton to counter-attack BB, or other threat, and that will be the time when Vivi can join again, maybe near the very end of the series....
Any thoughts???
Could be a possibility, because somehow we will see a ancient weapon for sure.
But as we saw here
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-399/page009.html
the SH crew knows how dangerous those weapons are.
So i guess they won`t use any(or would take Pluto from Alabasta), cause when it gets to the wrong people they would never forgive themselves.That Vivi will join again..i still don
t think so. She stays a special member, but i guess she will only help in a WAR the SHs with sending soldiers etc. She won
t sail with them in the NW, because she decided to take care of her country which she loves with her whole heart and without giving us some twist in the story which would give Vivi a "must join the crew once more" which i cant think of one yet, i would say Vivi joining the crew once more won
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I think that if the next nakama is in fact a former boss it would be Arlong, considering he was a former boss and since they ARE going to FI next. If not then it's someone new IMO
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I think that if the next nakama is in fact a former boss it would be Arlong, considering he was a former boss and since they ARE going to FI next. If not then it's someone new IMO
hmmmm….................:ninja:
I'm betting that he'd also become friends with Nami though seeing as he did kill her surrogate mother right in front of her.
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So Arlong is in a marine jail on FI?
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Duh, it's so obvious Zik. I mean how could you not figure that out on you're own?/sarcasm
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Kuro is the new nakama test subject uh?
Thank god I'll be off for 2 weeks, gotta remember on wich page this thread is so I can read it all :)
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There is a difference though where as Robin just is knowledgeable about what important events happen, have happened and famous people Jimbei is someone who is an experienced member who has sailed throughout the new world very likely before. I think…
Sorry for bumping this discussion, but I was away for the weekend and was busy yesterday. Anyway, I highlighted the above portion because we don't know Jinbei's history. It is just as likely, if not more likely, Jinbei has only ventured into the New World to meet up with Whitebeard, and even then we don't know what that entails. Likewise, having information on famous pirates, especially those he has a connection to per being a Warlord, is not at all different from Robin, and again doesn't mean much considering we don't know Jinbei's history.
@Tijnn.:
Jinbei hasn't seen all of the islands. Oda could just make them take another route than the one Jinbei has taken.
Exactly. Oda has complete freedom with Jinbei by virtue of being the author. Not only that, he has conveniently placed both Robin and Nami in locations that allow them to learn a TON of up-to-date and/or exclusive information about the New World and current events. Jinbei, on the other hand, is more than likely going to have his hands full with Fishman Island. Furthermore, the more proxies Oda has on the crew, the better; if we always have the same person chiming in with "oh yeah, I knew about this because…" then the story telling will get stale.
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Sorry for bumping this discussion, but I was away for the weekend and was busy yesterday. Anyway, I highlighted the above portion because we don't know Jinbei's history. It is just as likely, if not more likely, Jinbei has only ventured into the New World to meet up with Whitebeard, and even then we don't know what that entails. Likewise, having information on famous pirates, especially those he has a connection to per being a Warlord, is not at all different from Robin, and again doesn't mean much considering we don't know Jinbei's history.
Exactly. Oda has complete freedom with Jinbei by virtue of being the author. Not only that, he has conveniently placed both Robin and Nami in locations that allow them to learn a TON of up-to-date and/or exclusive information about the New World and current events. Jinbei, on the other hand, is more than likely going to have his hands full with Fishman Island. Furthermore, the more proxies Oda has on the crew, the better; if we always have the same person chiming in with "oh yeah, I knew about this because…" then the story telling will get stale.
It however is very likely because Jimbei was in the crew of a man who powerhoused through mariejoa and released thousands of slaves if that isnt New world material i dont know what is.
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I don't know exactly why you are showing this, but you should know it was a mistranslation by molokidan…
Aohige said he says 1 dull-looking man, which he is referring to Zoro....
Cnet translation says:
"Rayleigh: If they read the article, then they'll understand... / The fact that it's quite unlike you is in itself the key. // You did have one companion who didn't seem particularly quick on the uptake... but I'm sure he'll figure it out. // Though it may be just a feeling... I have faith that your companions will understand you perfectly."
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It however is very likely because Jimbei was in the crew of a man who powerhoused through mariejoa and released thousands of slaves if that isnt New world material i dont know what is.
It's very likely because you speculate that the crew Jinbei was a part of seems like 'New World material'? How does this affect likeliness at all? The Fishman Pirates were a symbol of pride to fishmen, and originated from ex-slaves. Just speculation on my part, but it seems to me the crew was created as a statement of protest against slavery and discrimination rather than treasure hunting or adventuring in the New World. Likewise, staying near Fishman Island would better serve the purpose of preventing more slavery, which again was how their symbol and crew came to be. Factor in the apparent reason Jinbei was given a position as Warlord (reconciliation between races), and we have even more reason to believe the pirate crew's purpose was stopping persecution of their race and/or proving their superiority*. Ergo, "it is just as likely, if not more likely, Jinbei has only ventured into the New World to meet up with Whitebeard."
[hide]@Aohige_AP:
K, finally read the chapter in Japanese. Rayleigh said, "there was one dull looking fella, but oh well, it'll all work out." LOL Zoro.
@CNET:
Rayleigh: You did have one companion who didn't seem particularly quick on the uptake… but I'm sure he'll figure it out.
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Sorry if you brought that up before, but I have no idea how it is proof of anything. Is it a joke or something?
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It's very likely because you speculate that the crew Jinbei was a part of seems like 'New World material'? How does this affect likeliness at all? The Fishman Pirates were a symbol of pride to fishmen, and originated from ex-slaves. Just speculation on my part, but it seems to me the crew was created as a statement of protest against slavery and discrimination rather than treasure hunting or adventuring in the New World. Likewise, staying near Fishman Island would better serve the purpose of preventing more slavery, which again was how their symbol and crew came to be. Factor in the apparent reason Jinbei was given a position as Warlord (reconciliation between races), and we have even more reason to believe the pirate crew's purpose was stopping persecution of their race and/or proving their superiority*. Ergo, "it is just as likely, if not more likely, Jinbei has only ventured into the New World to meet up with Whitebeard."
Sorry if you brought that up before, but I have no idea how it is proof of anything. Is it a joke or something?
Fisher tiger might as well broke into mariejoa to free a specific amount of prisoners but freed anyone he saw just on the path because he felt like it. We just dont know enough about Fisher tiger really. If Jimbei joins for some reason i see him joining to find out about a possible dissapearance or something of Tiger.
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Why would he be talking about Zoro?
This is a question, not an argument.
Anyway, the actual argument is that Luffy's crew consists of rookies, which is one of the main points in the series. Luffy's a rookie. Zoro's a rookie. Nami's a rookie. Usopp's very much a rookie. Sanji's a rookie. Chopper's a rookie. Robin is knowledged, but still a rookie. Franky's a rookie. Even Brook is a rookie, concidering he knows nothing about the current time and age.
Jinbei is an old-generation not-so-much-rookie former/current captain who used to be a world-renowned Shichibukai.
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I don't think this "old generation" argument has much value, Sebbe. Every crewmate brings something new to the table. If Oda wants to add a more experienced guy, he could do so and make it work.
@herr_sebbe's:
Latest Chapter (2010-08-31): Chapter 402 - "Deicide 4 (Contest Announced: Make up your own Bleach Chapter title and mail it to Tite Kubo at Shonen Jump)"
I should sue Kubo for using my nickname so recklessly. :getlost:
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Robin is not a rookie, not in the slightest. Unless you're using some madeup definition of rookie.
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I don't think this "old generation" argument has much value, Sebbe. Every crewmate brings something new to the table. If Oda wants to add a more experienced guy, he could do so and make it work.
Yes, but the "rookie crew" is a key element in this series, and I don't think Oda will just swipe that right off the table. That is, unless the Timeskip has something to say about it… :sideways:
I should sue Kubo for using my nickname so recklessly. :getlost:
Just promise to wait a few weeks first and let him add another 25 infractions first for maximum damage.
Robin is not a rookie, not in the slightest. Unless you're using some madeup definition of rookie.
She's knowledged, I'll give you that, but she's spent all of her 20 years in hiding, without drawing attention to herself or gaining more experience than underworld organisations had to offer. Comparing her with Jinbei is like comparing a news article to the event it's describing.
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Why would he be talking about Zoro?
Zoro is obviously the most dim-witted of the group, excluding of course Luffy. "Go North" – He goes up the tallest building. Not surprisingly, Rayleigh was 100% dead on in that Zoro had trouble with the message initially, but "it all worked out".
Anyway, the actual argument is that Luffy's crew consists of rookies, which is one of the main points in the series. Jinbei is an old-generation not-so-much-rookie former/current captain who used to be a world-renowned Shichibukai.
We've been over this before, but you are seriously stretching your argument by calling Robin a rookie. She's been just about everything you can name, and is rarely surprised by new events or information, constantly acting as Oda's proxy to inform us about xx or yy. First a pirate at age 8, then again at age 16. Former Vice President of Baroque Works and equal to Crocodile. Former assassin. Had a larger bounty than Luffy when she joined. Had seemingly 'broken' powers during her introductory arc up to the point that she joined the crew, if not beyond as well. The point is, were it her being discussed for 'next crew member', you'd be using your same argument to state she cannot join, and would ultimately be wrong. After the fact, however, you'd find tons of excuses (as you do now) to exclude her from this supposed rule of Oda's. Speaking of exceptions, Brook breaks that rule too. He's an ex-Captain, an ex-Battle Captain for some kingdom, has an existing bounty, has sailed the Grand Line, and has even experienced death. Oh, but he doesn't count either because his information about people and places might be out of date.
I don't think this "old generation" argument has much value, Sebbe. Every crewmate brings something new to the table. If Oda wants to add a more experienced guy, he could do so and make it work.
Yeah, who's to say Jinbei isn't the next exception to the rule? You could even say the crew is now part of the most recent 'old generation' by virtue of Whitebeard's death kick-starting a new era; most experiences post timeskip will be 'new' since the New World will have drastically changed since the War.