i think at some point he will get a DF
Coby's potential
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So looks like the final marine showdown will go like this:
Akainu v Zoro
The hot headed destroyers. I'd like to see Luffy fight him but Zoro makes more sense. Even with haki, Luffy would have a hard time with him.. and if he won, he'd have stumps for arms when it was over. You need weapons to beat him. Zoro and Akainu are a perfect foil for eachother I don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm sure Zoro will master Armor haki, and he'll need it.Sanji v Kizaru
They're both suave and smooth characters. Sanji will master observation to the point where he'd be able to dodge his light speed attacks.Luffy v Coby
The old rivalry. Coby will somehow become the most powerful admiral.
I don't know what fruit he will get but it should be a logia matching the triad of elements the admirals have.. maybe not though, since it looks like the Shichibukai might be abandoning the animal theme. I doubt he'll get the Mera Mera, I think he'd be morally opposed to it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a VA at the end of the time skip or very close to it. Maybe with him getting the promotion when Luffy actually enters the New World. Haki seems to be a fast track to Vice Admiraldom and he's being trained by one of the Marines most powerful and well respected guys. I'm wagering that Sengoku is also teaching him everything he knows about being a leader and a strategist as well. -
So looks like the final marine showdown will go like this:
Akainu v Zoro
The hot headed destroyers. I'd like to see Luffy fight him but Zoro makes more sense. Even with haki, Luffy would have a hard time with him.. and if he won, he'd have stumps for arms when it was over. You need weapons to beat him. Zoro and Akainu are a perfect foil for eachother I don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm sure Zoro will master Armor haki, and he'll need it.Sanji v Kizaru
They're both suave and smooth characters. Sanji will master observation to the point where he'd be able to dodge his light speed attacks.Luffy v Coby
The old rivalry. Coby will somehow become the most powerful admiral.
I don't know what fruit he will get but it should be a logia matching the triad of elements the admirals have.. maybe not though, since it looks like the Shichibukai might be abandoning the animal theme. I doubt he'll get the Mera Mera, I think he'd be morally opposed to it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a VA at the end of the time skip or very close to it. Maybe with him getting the promotion when Luffy actually enters the New World. Haki seems to be a fast track to Vice Admiraldom and he's being trained by one of the Marines most powerful and well respected guys. I'm wagering that Sengoku is also teaching him everything he knows about being a leader and a strategist as well.Luffy Vs Akainu please
And I agree on Sanji vs Kizaru
And Coby won't be able to do shit about luffy, maybe after the timeskip, Coby will be as strong as luffy before he departed to become a pirate.
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Akainu v Zoro
The hot headed destroyers. I'd like to see Luffy fight him but Zoro makes more sense. Even with haki, Luffy would have a hard time with him.. and if he won, he'd have stumps for arms when it was over. You need weapons to beat him. Zoro and Akainu are a perfect foil for eachother I don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm sure Zoro will master Armor haki, and he'll need it.Sanji v Kizaru
They're both suave and smooth characters. Sanji will master observation to the point where he'd be able to dodge his light speed attacks.Luffy v Coby
The old rivalry. Coby will somehow become the most powerful admiral.
I don't know what fruit he will get but it should be a logia matching the triad of elements the admirals have.. maybe not though, since it looks like the Shichibukai might be abandoning the animal theme. I doubt he'll get the Mera Mera, I think he'd be morally opposed to it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a VA at the end of the time skip or very close to it. Maybe with him getting the promotion when Luffy actually enters the New World. Haki seems to be a fast track to Vice Admiraldom and he's being trained by one of the Marines most powerful and well respected guys. I'm wagering that Sengoku is also teaching him everything he knows about being a leader and a strategist as well.First, I'm really sure it'll be Luffy vs. Akainu. He has been highlighted as one of the top villains in OP. It wouldn't make sense for Luffy not to fight him after Ace; Akainu also has apparently made Luffy his big target. Also, it gives the story symmetry - both the main marine villain and the main pirate villain were involved in Ace's death. Having Zoro fight him doesn't make sense on any level.
I really don't see how Coby will fit at all into the "all out war against the WG/marines at the end" scenario. By then, the WG will have ratcheted up their evil points even further. And them losing means them being thrown from power. For me it makes more if Coby, upon a promotion to VA or admiral towards the end, finds more disturbing things about the government and in the end has a hand in taking them down. Then he could be an admiral of new and improved Marines at the end. (Thinking about it, this would also mirror him with Captain Morgan - wanting to be part of the marines, but going against them because of his sense of justice.)
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First, I'm really sure it'll be Luffy vs. Akainu. He has been highlighted as one of the top villains in OP. It wouldn't make sense for Luffy not to fight him after Ace; Akainu also has apparently made Luffy his big target. Also, it gives the story symmetry - both the main marine villain and the main pirate villain were involved in Ace's death. Having Zoro fight him doesn't make sense on any level.
I really don't see how Coby will fit at all into the "all out war against the WG/marines at the end" scenario. By then, the WG will have ratcheted up their evil points even further. And them losing means them being thrown from power. For me it makes more if Coby, upon a promotion to VA or admiral towards the end, finds more disturbing things about the government and in the end has a hand in taking them down. Then he could be an admiral of new and improved Marines at the end. (Thinking about it, this would also mirror him with Captain Morgan - wanting to be part of the marines, but going against them because of his sense of justice.)
It could go a lot of ways. Coby could say.. "once we've defeated all the pirates then we can make changes" or something. He's the student of Garp.. who is a nice guy too and he'll probably make the same mistake in thinking he can change things from within.
Plus, Akainu has to die. He's irredeemable. Luffy doesn't kill, and Zoro does.
Unless Luffy uses some kind of fire proof gloves, he can't even touch him. I'm sure they'll go a few round but in the end I'm going with Zoro cutting him in half for 1000, Alex. -
when Luffy met Coby, Luffy already had some training with Sabo and Ace so he was alread strong back than while Coby was seriously weak when Luffy was 17. Luffy than went on with his life and Coby with his.
Luffy goes adventuring and learns techniques on the way and remains stronger than Coby obviously after Water 7 and marineford this should be obvious. But still Coby was a nobody with no strength at all. He just had knowledge about the sea. He got trained by Garp and learned Soru, which still didn't allow him to beat Luffy but it shows great potential. He changed drastically. At marineford Luffy unconsciously uses a power he doesn't yet understand and Coby gets KO'ed but afterwards he notices the presence of people harshly. Probably meaning he has a better feeling for color of presence haki. Luffy is also shown to predict Mihawk's choice of action if he were to attack in a certain way so that is color of presence as well so both have great potential and sorry to say but in my eyes Coby is progressing much faster than Luffy at this point so in time he would be on par with him for sure. The only thing that Luffy has going for him is that he now has a great teacher as well, same as Coby has had for a while. Anyway, Coby's growth in 6 months or so is astounding to say the least. -
Haven't posted on here in years, wow. Anyways, two years will be far too soon to have Coby become an admiral or anything too close to admiral level IMO.
So far what we know is that Coby has observation haki but not extraodinary fighting abilities. I'd like to see him use this to become more of a strategist as opposed to possessing sheer brute force and rise through the ranks of the marines that way. Maybe take up Spandam's place and create a new and improved CP9? This time the person in charge wouldn't be completely useless! It would give Coby an awesome team to work with and a perfect chance for him to show amazing strategic abilities and probably a much stronger CP9. They say the stronger the leader the stronger the team, right?
Then maybe he can rise to the higher ranks of the marines because he's a useful leader and not necessarily out of sheer brute force (although he should get stronger as well for sure).
I can't see Coby realistically becoming as strong as Luffy and as far as I'm concerned nothing would be more dangerous to Luffy than a powerful strategist.
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I can't see Coby realistically becoming as strong as Luffy and as far as I'm concerned nothing would be more dangerous to Luffy than a powerful strategist.
luffy has Sanji and as far as strategies go, sanji's brilliant. he's better than Sengoku, his plans actually work !
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Well he went from a whiny 2 foot little boy who'd have trouble fighting a chicken to a respectable soldier in 6 months. Sure Luffy knocked him out easily, but he's Shichibukai level or higher. He's probably going to be seen as the marines golden boy.
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he went from a whiny 2 foot little boy who'd have trouble fighting a chicken to a respectable soldier in 6 months.
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here's coby six months ago
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It could go a lot of ways. Coby could say.. "once we've defeated all the pirates then we can make changes" or something. He's the student of Garp.. who is a nice guy too and he'll probably make the same mistake in thinking he can change things from within.
I can't see how he would be able to still be an admiral afterward if he fought against them; the marines will have to start again with new leadership. The WG is just going to get more evil from here on out. Him siding with the government in those circumstances goes against his character - see him and Captain Morgan.
Plus, Akainu has to die. He's irredeemable. Luffy doesn't kill, and Zoro does.
Unless Luffy uses some kind of fire proof gloves, he can't even touch him. I'm sure they'll go a few round but in the end I'm going with Zoro cutting him in half for 1000, Alex.Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy did kill someone by the end (the story's definitely gotten a darker edge); if he does, it'll definitely be Akainu. And there's a whole lot of story left - we don't know what abilities Luffy will grow between now and then (maybe his haki will shield him?) The one thing that won't change is that Akainu was the one who killed his brother right in front of him. He's the second main villain of the series. There's no way Luffy isn't fighting him.
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luffy has Sanji and as far as strategies go, sanji's brilliant. he's better than Sengoku, he's plans actually work !
Exactly why I think the marines need someone like that. Someone who can scare the pants of pirate with their mind.
Well he went from a whiny 2 foot little boy who'd have trouble fighting a chicken to a respectable soldier in 6 months. Sure Luffy knocked him out easily, but he's Shichibukai level or higher. He's probably going to be seen as the marines golden boy.
The new Garp, the new hero of the marines.Granted but Luffy is going to improve A LOT too (unless Oda decides to pull a Naruto) Coby still has a long way to go before he can even match Luffy now. Will he be strong as hell? Of course, it's One Piece! Will it be his most valuable asset to the marines? I doubt that.
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saw thread title and came to obvious conclusion of admiral status….. i figure that's what were talking about right
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Coby's goal is to become a Marine Admiral. We all know he will become an Admiral just like we all know that Luffy will become the Pirate King. The only question is when? At the end of the series, I'm assuming.
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Coby's goal is to become a Marine Admiral. We all know he will become an Admiral just like we all know that Luffy will become the Pirate King. The only question is when? At the end of the series, I'm assuming.
yes end of the series, i just didn't know if people were actually doubting he'd become one
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I think that Coby and Luffy will become like Garp and Roger.
They fight evenly, but neither of them have the guts to take it one step further. Im sure they'll remain friends but still appear as enemies.
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i think he will be at least a VA after the timeskip just because sengoku got to name his replacement why can't garp
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i think he will be at least a VA after the timeskip just because sengoku got to name his replacement why can't garp
i don't think VA's are the same as Fleet admiral you don't need a certin amount of them and you can't just get their because a big name gave up his position
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Coby needs to work on becoming more likable before coming more powerful. I don't want Luffy treating every whiny kid as his rival.
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I agree with the point about the VA's not being a set number but think Coby will be a 'VA' simply because Oda seemed to be hinting at it with that conversation with the doctor
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i think he will be at least a VA after the timeskip just because sengoku got to name his replacement why can't garp
I dunno, jumping from the Nautical equivalent of a Sergeant Major to a Lieutenant General seems to be too big of a jump.
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it not impossible he climbed 7 ranks in a few months so 10 in 2 years is possible
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it not impossible he climbed 7 ranks in a few months so 10 in 2 years is possible
The 7 ranks of the OP Red Shirts, that is. Now, to get to an Admirla rank, it's going to be tougher.
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i think he will be at least a VA after the timeskip just because sengoku got to name his replacement why can't garp
Sengoku got to recommend someone, not necessary choose him. Also, no matter what he said, one of the three would be promoted to his position, since they were directly below him. He couldn't just pick a random captain to take his place. Coby is several positions below Garp - a fleet admiral will get Garp's position.
Luffy will be powered up, but he will still be a rookie entering the New World. Coby being vice admiral would leave him not much room to grow. Luffy and Coby's training mirrors each others', so I think that from now on their achievements will too. Coby will get higher up the food chain as Luffy gets closer to One Piece. So I'm thinking commodore after the timeskip.
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I think that Coby and Luffy will become like Garp and Roger.
Disagree. I think Smoker and Luffy are destined to be rivals. Right now it's one sided, but after Luffy is able to hit Logias, it should become a lot more even.
For the record, I have Colby as a Captain by the end of the story. Maybe a commodore. But clearly in command of a ship with his crew. Helmeppo will be his second in command.
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Sengoku got to recommend someone, not necessary choose him. Also, no matter what he said, one of the three would be promoted to his position, since they were directly below him. He couldn't just pick a random captain to take his place. Coby is several positions below Garp - a fleet admiral will get Garp's position.
Luffy will be powered up, but he will still be a rookie entering the New World. Coby being vice admiral would leave him not much room to grow. Luffy and Coby's training mirrors each others', so I think that from now on their achievements will too. Coby will get higher up the food chain as Luffy gets closer to One Piece. So I'm thinking commodore after the timeskip.
Luffy is just below Vice Admiral level now. Coby is Garp's chosen disciple and by proxy he's probably taking the brunt of Sengoku's training as well, since him and Garp are Bros. So he'll be a haki master as well as being the student of the former Fleet Admiral. It's safe to say that Coby will be at least at the cusp of being a VA when the timeskip ends. I'm sure he'll get a powerful DF as well..if he were a Logia when he met Luffy after W7 it'd be a different story.
He's the student of the "hero of the marines" and prob the former FA now.. so he's going to be a BAMF and a master tactician. There's also a possibility that he could have alot of support from the common folk, since he showed his bravery to end the war when it was at it's end to stop it from being a needless slaughter.
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Luffy is just below Vice Admiral level now. Coby is Garp's chosen disciple and by proxy he's probably taking the brunt of Sengoku's training as well, since him and Garp are Bros. So he'll be a haki master as well as being the student of the former Fleet Admiral. It's safe to say that Coby will be at least at the cusp of being a VA when the timeskip ends. I'm sure he'll get a powerful DF as well..if he were a Logia when he met Luffy after W7 it'd be a different story.
Coby managed to do a lot of growing in a short amount of time, but I think you're seriously overestimating him. He got taken down with a single punch. He didn't even get one attack in. We haven't seen a fight where he didn't get his ass handed to him, and according to Rayleigh, there's only so much you can train it in two years. He'll get stronger, but not to that level.
But that wasn't even the point I was making in the post you responded to. I was saying it wouldn't make sense for him to be VA after the time skip from a narrative perspective, since his growth is now mirroring Luffy's. Luffy is just entering the New World - he still has a long way to go to achieve his dream; the story is only halfway done. Coby isn't going to be one step away from achieving his dream. Commodore is a perfect rank since it says - like Luffy finishing the first part of the Grand Line - that he's grown a lot, but still needs more. If he were VA, he'd have one huge power up, and then be stagnated for the next half of the story - it wouldn't leave him any room to grow.
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Commodore/rear admiral after the timeskip, then promotion to Vice Admiral during the course of "part 2", then Admiral during the epilogue
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@Don:
Did i miss something..where exactly does Garp get the fire-DF?
As far as we havent met Vegapunk we don
t know exactly how DFs develop again after their former user died.
And with that we cant be sure that Garp can even get it easily to decide who
s gonna get it next^^
So your speculation would imply that out of the dead body the new DF grows, but even than Ace`s grave is open for everybody..:ninja:No ment in this way:
The theory where Coby gets Fire Logia can be backed with logic. Where would Coby get the Fire Logia. As we know Marines have it and why would they give it to him specific? I explained that part…
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I don't support the idea Coby will get the Fire logia, because if so there would be two df users with burning ability in the Marines. Ace's death made Akainu's ability become unique, and in my personal liking, this shouldn't change.
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No ment in this way:
The theory where Coby gets Fire Logia can be backed with logic. Where would Coby get the Fire Logia. As we know Marines have it and why would they give it to him specific? I explained that part…
We now that how? They never got Ace's body. Don't even know if that is how you get the new fruit. It could pop up anywhere in the world for all we know.
This isn't even really a theory just a random idea. His development will be like Garp's as an uber Haki user. Obtaining a DF, especially a logia, is a major power boost in it self. DF are always central to their respective characters. I doubt we'll ever see anybody not just starting their career(like a cabinboy) obtain a DF on screen. Especially someone like Coby who is special for having Haki way before the point he would be expected too.
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True forgot the part about Ace's funeral and Shanks having his body.
As to how DFs pass from generation to generation we can only logically deduce. BB sucked the DF from WB It might just be his ability, or the DF was already there after WB died, we can only guess. As I see it there is no reason for DF to appear anywhere else in the world than from the human who possessed it.
So Marines or Shanks/WB have the DF imo
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BB has definitely via his DF the power to suck in another DF power from a dead user..thats why he don`t wanted to show éxactly how it goes and his crew pulled a blanket over him in that scene.
But that the "spirit" of a DF can
t get free and searches for a new place to grow again as a fruit is unlikely in your eyes? …meh, maybe as unlikely as Shanks has the DF. Wouldn
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Coby should get a df that has something to do with pink
Like a cherry blossom logia or something
Or a vagina paramecia that'd suit him hauahuauhauahuauahua
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Coby should get a df that has something to do with pink
Or a vagina paramecia that'd suit him hauahuauhauahuauahuaDidn
t know you like that chara SOOOO much:blink: Wanting him to have a pussy^^ Aldrich, you
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Hauahuauhauhahuauhau
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isn't it stated somewhere in the manga that devil fruits only grow back every 50 years or so?
I guess I'll know soon enough because of the rereading stuff but I remember it being stated. If this is true nobody can have the Fire logia yet because it takes some time to regrow. Which would be logical seeing it is a fruit and it probably grows on a tree and a tree first needs to grow for it to have fruits so the tree probably needs to be full-grown for it to bear the fruit.
Otherwise, every time a devil fruit user dies in a fight, the victor will have a new fruit. I don't think it'll work that way at all because if it did, my guess would be that Shanks' crew would have had more fruits than just the gomu gomu no mi with them seeing how powerfull they already were at windmill village.
This actually gets me to another point. The mountain bandit that kidnapped Luffy went out to sea with a boat after using a smoke bomb and said they wouldn't find him out on sea which makes sense completely but directly after that, Shanks is there to save Luffy without even seeing where the bandit took Luffy. Has he used color of presence haki to detect the bandits presence? If that is so, this would be the first use of Haki in the entire serie and not the Sea King being intimidated. -
The fifty years thing was about the rubber tree and was from Romance Dawn when that was really the only Devil Fruit. I don't think it applies to actual one Piece.
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Oda could use a "Tree of Life", where every DF grows, after the spirit of one fruit comes back to the tree after the user died.
So maybe this "Tree of Life" grows somewhere in the ocean of the OP world.
We know that the fruit makes an user unable to swim cause of the anger of the devil inside(or something like that..don`t remember exactly). -
If there is such a tree I would reckon that place to be filled with marines and pirates for obtaining certain fruits. I don't think it is as simple as that. Also, the tree's location would be known of and Devil fruits would be easily obtainable and not expensive at all.
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Why has the location to be known, maybe it
s near Raftel and than nobody could reach it^^ Also it would explain why everywhere in the world DFs can be found..when they are fully grown they go into the ocean and they
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correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the doctor said to Coby that all vice-admirals know how to use Haki?, if so during the timeskip would he be able to achieve that certain level that of course depends if Coby asked Garp for some explanation/training or somethin…. And and it would be cool if a df logia user can't use Haki, that'd would probably explain why we didn't see logia users during the prev war use it, the 3 admirals for example, and Ace (well prolly because he doesn't have enough ambition)
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Enel used Mantra which is Haki^^
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Oh yah I forgot, but he can't use color armament am I correct?(well he wouldn't need it anyway his a logia) But think about it if logia users can only use the haki of observation that would totally balance the tier in OP world, well I guess King's Haki can be an exception.
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Oh yah I forgot, but he can't use color armament am I correct?(well he wouldn't need it anyway his a logia) But think about it if logia users can only use the haki of observation that would totally balance the tier in OP world, well I guess King's Haki can be an exception.
The three admirals, who all are logia users, used haki to shield the execution platform from WB's Earthquake. That was most likely the haki of armament. I find it hard to believe that a haki barrier would be a move based on the observation haki.
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I guess you're right but it could also be possible to counter a tyrant's drive burst by countering it also with some willpower even if they don't have king's haki those 3 are admirals so their willpower combine should be enough. (What the hell this is turning into dumb predictions I guess I should stop it.)
Back to topic Coby seems to have a lot of potential an example of pure raw training, please no df for now or until Luffy makes a name for himself in the NW.
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but he can't use color armament am I correct?
i think that if this was true rayleigh would have already told luffy in the last chapter when he was explaining haki
i dont think that there will be another "lecture" of haki
we ll learn more stuff about it in action IMO