perhaps, but when Luffy proves himself in the New World and goes to war against the World Government (which, imho is just a matter of time) the New World captains might show up. Whitebeard believed in Luffy's potential, so did almost everybody
Chapter 595: "Oath" Discussion
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perhaps, but when Luffy proves himself in the New World and goes to war against the World Government (which, imho is just a matter of time) the New World captains might show up. Whitebeard believed in Luffy's potential, so did almost everybody
yeah, potential but these guys have to be in their 30s-40s and they've seen alot of these guys who have alot of potential but get cut down the second they enter the new world(see: other supernovas). That, and Luffy isn't the kind of guy to just start a fight with the world government on a revenge run(i'm assuming you mean he'll attack the WG because of the magma fist). Plus, I don't think the WG isn't going to start a war with 10 people, Luffy is big but there are MUCH bigger threats out there, especially with the crap Blackbeard pulled in Impel Down.
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I disagree.
When everyone they bumped into showed up to aid the Gurren-Dan in their fight against Lord Genome, did it make it more awesome or less?
If anything, it made it exciting in "hell yeah!" kind of way.not familiar with it, but the way i look at it. the Strawhats showing up with an insane amount of people will be amazing and awesome, yet then the fewer people the strawhats have on their side and win teh cooler it is.
so its a win/lose situation. Looks cooler showing up with more allies than not, yet is more awesome winning with less allies than more.
@ponx:Which is exactly will be the reason why Luffy will win his war, and WB lost
who knows how it would have been though if Whitebeard had Ace and Thatch still, and Whitebeard was young. I mean hell this war was like Luffy at 72, sanji kidnapped, and franky dead.
but look at the uniqueness of the strawhats. Let alone Nami can or will be doing stuff weather wise that will shock the world. I imagine chopper will also be some insane shock too, i mean look at the shock of them seeing his monster form at shabondy. Robin is always an insane person due to her ability.
But again, why are we having this war? Is someone being kidnapped? why are we storming Marineford and not just releasing the poneglyph info in the newspaper and thus causing a worldwide revolution without raising a hand. Seems more likely teh WG will send their huge force at us instead of the other way around.
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But again, why are we having this war? Is someone being kidnapped? why are we storming Marineford and not just releasing the poneglyph info in the newspaper and thus causing a worldwide revolution without raising a hand. Seems more likely teh WG will send their huge force at us instead of the other way around.
I think the latter is more likely, its the WG (especially the Gorosei) who are afraid of the Rio Poneglyphs. They will most likely send all their forces to stop the SH from revealing the poneglyph.
Now, considering of how Oda has done war before (4 times if i remember correctly), we can guesstimate a few things.
1. Alabasta : his first major war, the war involves a clash between 4 major players. The SH, BW, Government, and the rebels.
2. Skypiea : this war involves the SH, Enel's priests, and the natives
3. Enies Lobby : though only 2 sides in this war (Government and SH). But they were aided by Franky family and the carpenters
4. Whitebeard : the biggest war so far, and here we see WB being aided by his allies against WG and ShichibukaiSo what about the final war? I think it will involve at least 4 sides. The WG (marines and shichibukai again), The revolutionaries (they will have an interest in the war as well), Blackbeard (obviously) and the Strawhats.
Now, I think the SH will need all the help they can get, and thats where their allies will come. I'm thiking the same scene where WB's NW captains first arrived at Marineford, only with a much larger fleet
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I think the latter is more likely, its the WG (especially the Gorosei) who are afraid of the Rio Poneglyphs. They will most likely send all their forces to stop the SH from revealing the poneglyph.
Now, considering of how Oda has done war before (4 times if i remember correctly), we can guesstimate a few things.
1. Alabasta : his first major war, the war involves a clash between 4 major players. The SH, BW, Government, and the rebels.
2. Skypiea : this war involves the SH, Enel's priests, and the natives
3. Enies Lobby : though only 2 sides in this war (Government and SH). But they were aided by Franky family and the carpenters
4. Whitebeard : the biggest war so far, and here we see WB being aided by his allies against WG and ShichibukaiSo what about the final war? I think it will involve at least 4 sides. The WG (marines and shichibukai again), The revolutionaries (they will have an interest in the war as well), Blackbeard (obviously) and the Strawhats.
Now, I think the SH will need all the help they can get, and thats where their allies will come. I'm thiking the same scene where WB's NW captains first arrived at Marineford, only with a much larger fleet
problem with that though is, would the WG announce they are going after SH, thus allowing them to gather up all their allies.
#2 where do they fight? strawhats don' exactly have a stronghold to anticipate an attack, it would be either on the sea or on random island they are on at time. unless they go back to a former island like AL or Arabasta and await an attack.
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problem with that though is, would the WG announce they are going after SH, thus allowing them to gather up all their allies.
#2 where do they fight? strawhats don' exactly have a stronghold to anticipate an attack, it would be either on the sea or on random island they are on at time. unless they go back to a former island like AL or Arabasta and await an attack.
As for #2, I'm thinking Raftel. The last island as the place for the last war sounds fitting.
#1 is a lot harder, How will their allies know that the SH needs help? Even if they do. How the hell will they reach Raftel, since u know, its almost impossible to reach. I dont have a clue as of now.
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As for #2, I'm thinking Raftel. The last island as the place for the last war sounds fitting.
#1 is a lot harder, How will their allies know that the SH needs help? Even if they do. How the hell will they reach Raftel, since u know, its almost impossible to reach. I dont have a clue as of now.
kind of contradicting yourself there.
how does raftel work for a good fight if no one allies or enemies can get there?
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kind of contradicting yourself there.
how does raftel work for a good fight if no one allies or enemies can get there?
Yep. its contradictory I know. I only stated what I think might be a grand ending, but as to how can it happen. Well, I guess thats why Oda is writing One Piece and I'm not.
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yeah, potential but these guys have to be in their 30s-40s and they've seen alot of these guys who have alot of potential but get cut down the second they enter the new world(see: other supernovas). That, and Luffy isn't the kind of guy to just start a fight with the world government on a revenge run(i'm assuming you mean he'll attack the WG because of the magma fist). Plus, I don't think the WG isn't going to start a war with 10 people, Luffy is big but there are MUCH bigger threats out there, especially with the crap Blackbeard pulled in Impel Down.
I know you are responding to a different poster, but I understood the war we are discussing to be the one expected at the end of the story–so not anytime "soon" to us (although hard to say how much time will pass in the story in the next 10 or so years that it takes to finish it). Not a revenge run. I see it more as the inevitable conclusion to the events as they've been building thus far--it will make total sense when the time comes, but there's presumedly so much to come between now and then it's nearly impossible to really say how it will pan out.
not familiar with it, but the way i look at it. the Strawhats showing up with an insane amount of people will be amazing and awesome, yet then the fewer people the strawhats have on their side and win teh cooler it is.
so its a win/lose situation. Looks cooler showing up with more allies than not, yet is more awesome winning with less allies than more…
...But again, why are we having this war? Is someone being kidnapped? why are we storming Marineford and not just releasing the poneglyph info in the newspaper and thus causing a worldwide revolution without raising a hand. Seems more likely teh WG will send their huge force at us instead of the other way around.
I think the end battle will be about more than the strawhats. The story has progressed in such a way that we started with a skinny 17 yr old kid leaving his howe to be "pirate king." Sounds like a game kids play at the payground.
Slowly events have pulled them in to more world encompassing issues, and have started to involve more and more events and people on a much grander scale than one kid's dream to be PK. I expect this pattern to continue, along with the hints and development of Luffy as the guy who will be at the eye of the shit storm when it hits–but by the end it may well be about the "free" world, if you will, against the WG and their tyranny--this depending on how the shifting political situation settles, what the "will of D" is, what happened during the void century and why (including who started/and fought in the war that lead to it and what their motives were), and what is actually at Raftel to begin with. Oda has planted plenty of hints that imply things may be more complex than a simple battle of good vs. evil.
Given all that, it's not hard to imagine that the epicness of that final showdown as it's hinted about now could make the numbers of characters and interests combined for the final battle totally make sense, because as sure as Luffy will be the final epic Hero, IMHO the final battle will take on issues much larger than those of just the SH crew as we know them.
problem with that though is, would the WG announce they are going after SH, thus allowing them to gather up all their allies.
#2 where do they fight? strawhats don' exactly have a stronghold to anticipate an attack, it would be either on the sea or on random island they are on at time. unless they go back to a former island like AL or Arabasta and await an attack.
Arrogance often leads to bad decisions, lol. They announced their war with WB, and might I point out that WB didn't need a stronghold from which to launch his attack. It's likely though, that if such a stronghold is required, it would be on a friendly allied island belonging to someone Luffy and Co helped (maybe even Alabasta…) Regardless, we still don't known what events will eventually lead to that final battle, so who's to say what will lead to and how it will come about.
I think the latter is more likely, its the WG (especially the Gorosei) who are afraid of the Rio Poneglyphs. They will most likely send all their forces to stop the SH from revealing the poneglyph.
Now, considering of how Oda has done war before (4 times if i remember correctly), we can guesstimate a few things.
(interesting analysis of previous 4 wars)
So what about the final war? I think it will involve at least 4 sides. The WG (marines and shichibukai again), The revolutionaries (they will have an interest in the war as well), Blackbeard (obviously) and the Strawhats.
Now, I think the SH will need all the help they can get, and thats where their allies will come. I'm thiking the same scene where WB's NW captains first arrived at Marineford, only with a much larger fleet
But we have a good ten years of story left to read, (the Good Lord willing and the creeks don't rise), so there may be far more "sides" to get involved, or perhaps factions is a more relative term, since theoretically they'd all be on two sides–the WG vs. the rest--and it may involved more than just NW captains if it ends up being representatives from all the various peoples who've got a stake in improving things in the WG, or even overthrowing it, since the story started.
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People we won't have a time skip… Because AL arc is coming... Ot ir will happen after the time skip after the marines finally realized that Boa betrayed them
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you read chapter 514 to 522 ?
there you have your AL arc..
i hope Luffy uses AL just as a place to train..staying with Hancock for a while and maybe produce a child for a new generation in that period. -
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you read chapter 514 to 522 ?
there you have your AL arc..
i hope Luffy uses AL just as a place to train..staying with Hancock for a while and maybe produce a child for a new generation in that period.Yeah but Sammsy convinced me… The attack has to happen and btw with Rayleigh and the Calm Belt the marines have no chance
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Yeah but Sammsy convinced me… The attack has to happen and btw with Rayleigh and the Calm Belt the marines have no chance
i didn't say it has to happen.
i thought it would be a good way to resolve the hancock issue, and also would have been a good way of letting the crew know where he was as well as a way for them all to reunite.
another way is to have hancock fall out of love
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the crew isn`t united without the TS…and Shakky bringing the ship to AL while KUma is there...nahh
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i didn't say it has to happen.
i thought it would be a good way to resolve the hancock issue, and also would have been a good way of letting the crew know where he was as well as a way for them all to reunite.
No it is a good way to let Boa join^^ That's why you want it. For story telling and moving the story further the whole idead sucks^^
And yeah the marines are afraid of the Calm Belt as you say in an other thread but the SHs will simply bypass it^^
But you are right. Can't wait for it! After the time skip Sentoumaru will finally report the betrayal!
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@Don:
the crew isn`t united without the TS…and Shakky bringing the ship to AL while KUma is there...nahh
didn't say shakky has to bring the ship. in my theory the sh's arrived at AL during attack ON THE SHIP.
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didn't say shakky has to bring the ship. in my theory the sh's arrived at AL during attack ON THE SHIP.
Yeah the Sunny will be able to cross the Calm Belt finally but the marines will have problem with the amazing strong AL
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No it is a good way to let Boa join^^ That's why you want it. For story telling and moving the story further the whole idead sucks^^
And yeah the marines are afraid of the Calm Belt as you say in an other thread but the SHs will simply bypass it^^
But you are right. Can't wait for it! After the time skip Sentoumaru will finally report the betrayal!
didn't say the strawhats would bypass it, have you ever read my thoery?
in my thoery the strawhats are being chased by hundreds of sea kings through the calm belt. thus when they arrive at AL, the seastoned marine ships all go fuck cause the SH's brought all the sea kings to them even though they had initially avoided them.
i even show a perfect example in a youtube clip of a movie called serenity where the good guys arrive with hundreds of reapers in tow. thus screwing over the awaiting government
whether you like my theory or not, at least get the facts right when arguing against it.
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didn't say the strawhats would bypass it, have you ever read my thoery?
in my thoery the strawhats are being chased by hundreds of sea kings through the calm belt. thus when they arrive at AL, the seastoned marine ships all go fuck cause the SH's brought all the sea kings to them even though they had initially avoided them.
i even show a perfect example in a youtube clip of a movie called serenity where the good guys arrive with hundreds of reapers in tow. thus screwing over the awaiting government
whether you like my theory or not, at least get the facts right when arguing against it.
I read and it is…..... AWESOME!
2 years passed...
Sentoumaru: Ahh forgot... During the war Boa betrayed us
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I read and it is…..... AWESOME!
2 years passed...
Sentoumaru: Ahh forgot... During the war Boa betrayed us
WG: What attack them!
Marines: NKEYthat wouldn't happen now. its been shown that obviously they didn't care what Hancock did at all, so quit slamming my theory i made a long time ago with new facts. obviously my theory if i made it still on an amazon lily defend arc would change how it is started now due to the impending time skip and the WG not revoking her title.
it could be as simple as in a couple years when luffy is done and is expecting his crew to be coming back, he declares to the world Amazon Lily his territory. There bam, now WG has a reason to attack AL.
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that wouldn't happen now. its been shown that obviously they didn't care what Hancock did at all, so quit slamming my theory i made a long time ago with new facts. obviously my theory if i made it still on an amazon lily defend arc would change how it is started now due to the impending time skip and the WG not revoking her title.
it could be as simple as in a couple years when luffy is done and is expecting his crew to be coming back, he declares to the world Amazon Lily his territory. There bam, now WG has a reason to attack AL.
Muahahahhahahahahaha
After time skip = Luffy will be Yonkou level xD
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Muahahahhahahahahaha
After time skip = Luffy will be Yonkou level xD
did i say that?
we saw brownbeard declare a territory, is he yonkou level?
and i am kind of saying the contrary. If Luffy was Yonkou level, him declaring an island his woudl mean it would be safe correct? thus no attack, thus no theory. thus for an attack to happen, the wg would need to not be afraid of him.
also you don't just one day become a yonkou, or just one day start declaring islands yours and expect respect. If Luffy ever starts claiming islands his, i fully expect it to be attacked. why should anyone in the one piece world give a shit about luffy declaring an island his? they wouldn't, they woudl walk in like hawkins and just do what they please.
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did i say that?
we saw brownbeard declare a territory, is he yonkou level?
and i am kind of saying the contrary. If Luffy was Yonkou level, him declaring an island his woudl mean it would be safe correct? thus no attack, thus no theory. thus for an attack to happen, the wg would need to not be afraid of him.
also you don't just one day become a yonkou, or just one day start declaring islands yours and expect respect. If Luffy ever starts claiming islands his, i fully expect it to be attacked. why should anyone in the one piece world give a shit about luffy declaring an island his? they wouldn't, they woudl walk in like hawkins and just do what they please.
Yeah the marines will be beaten by awesome Luffy and AL will be forever save
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Yeah the marines will be beaten by awesome Luffy and AL will be forever save
Don't you understand what Sammsy is talking about,stop bashing his theory before you know what it implies .
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This is why we need chapters every week.
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@Cyan:
This is why we need chapters every week.
Yes yes a thousand times yes.
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If Luffy ever starts claiming islands his, i fully expect it to be attacked. why should anyone in the one piece world give a shit about luffy declaring an island his?
Luffy doesn't want to conquer islands/territory, nor does he want to claim any island his. Even as a joke, I doubt he'd do that.
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Lol at people thinking there will be a two year skip.
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y dont ppl understand luffy …..........i think it is very unlikely he will go about lookin for territory as he's not interested in that stuff ,he said himself that that bein PK is abt havin the most freedom on the vast seas......timeskip is very probable though
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Lol at people thinking there will be a two year skip.
I agree…with this dude...
I would still love a 2 year time-skip just for Oda to slap me in the face giving me stuff I can't predict at all. That's what I love about One Piece, it kicks my predicting balls.
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I'm extremely unsure on if two years will be the length. I can see good things and bad things coming from that. Good things include helping characters like Smoker and Coby get stronger so they can fight the strawhats. Smoker didn't seem to know about Haki, but I'm sure he's found about it after seeing hancock use it and probably wants to learn it himself. And since the marines said it normally takes years for haki training, two years seems like a good thing for SMoker to be able to learn it and adapt to the new world. Coby would probably spend the years training with Garp, which could make him exponentially stronger again. I mean considering how fast he grew in under a year with Garp, it seems like he could grow even more, especially if he trained his new found haki
edit: Oh, made a mistake. Smoker knew of Haki, but it didn't seem like he knew exactly what it was or how to use it
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Luffy doesn't want to conquer islands/territory, nor does he want to claim any island his. Even as a joke, I doubt he'd do that.
He can still do it when protecting someone. By claiming some territory his own, it may help someone.
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How would claiming Hancock's island protect anyone in any way? And really, any claim in the grand line is utterly worthless without an Eternal Pose anyways. So Luffy would offer just as good protection by just beating the enemies up as he would by claiming the land. At the very most it's an empty threat that can only last so long, and at worst it can actually invite trouble if you aren't strong enough
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I don't think it'll be a two year skip myself, but I was thinking that if it is, maybe the bell ringing was to signify two year ends. 8 rings for the end of the first year, and then another 8 for the end of the second year. Don't think it's likely, but if that's how it plays out, that might have been part of the message.
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How would claiming Hancock's island protect anyone in any way? And really, any claim in the grand line is utterly worthless without an Eternal Pose anyways. So Luffy would offer just as good protection by just beating the enemies up as he would by claiming the land. At the very most it's an empty threat that can only last so long, and at worst it can actually invite trouble if you aren't strong enough
Do islands in the calm belt react to poses?
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I had forgotten about that while writing that ALwas in the calm belt. Though the calm belt is potentially more problematic in some ways due to all the giant sea kings, and also makes the idea of Luffy needing to claim AL rediculous. Also, you'd probably still need a pose to figure out how to get to the calm belt from the middle of the grand line, given how it works
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A quick question: why would the marines be afraid of the calm belt? I was under the impression that the bottoms of their ships are coated with sea stone.
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the marines wouldn't be. But why would the marines attack Hancock, given that she is still a shichibukai
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@Cyan:
This is why we need chapters every week.
Idea! Let's force that all chapters of the year come at the same distance between them. 3 chapters at month 10, 20 and 30th. And on december we get the leftovers that oda didn't use up on breaks!
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Luffy getting Amazon Lily involved in a conflict for nothing is out of question, this would just bring trouble to the island, I mean, they live in peace and Hancock still has her shichibukai status, Luffy declaring that the island "belongs" to him would destroy this, and even if the SH defeat the first attack of the marine, what will protect the island after they leave? Luffy doesn't have power enough to make people fear to attack his territories just by hearing his name, and just one defeat wouldn't stop the marine of trying to attack again (specially if the SH have to use the Sea Monsters to be able to defeat them).
Besides, this also would offend the pride of the Amazons, after all how could they allow a man to declare himself owner of the island where women stand above all else and where a man should never lay their feet?
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Since when do Sea Monsters give a shit about taking sides? Do any of you honestly think Luffy's on good terms with them or something? It's purely by chance that they'd attack the marines, and could just as easily attack the Strawhats. Unless of course we want to believe Chopper eventually learns to communicate with them and get them to help out (I know I don't).
Luffy won't declare something his territory because he's too weak for that (kind of a theme that's been going on if you've been paying attention since SA) and also because it would indicate that he's probably allies with Hancock and could cause trouble, maybe kick her out of the Shichibukai. though I doubt that's even their highest priority at this point anyway, what with having 3 empty positions to fill. kicking her out now would make them look even worse. they gotta save some face here.
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Boa would be a greater asset to Luffy where she is. If she joined AL would be destroyed and it'd put Luffy in more danger as the WG would double their efforts to stop them. She probably can "But I'm beautiful.." her way out of questioning that will come up if the WG gets suspicious for the time being.
Also, Shakky and Rayleigh are actively trying to get them to hook up. Since the Roger line is culled maybe they're trying to preserve the will of D and want Boa to raise his kid while no one is the wiser. Baring in mind the fiasco with Ace's birth they'd need to be more careful, and if something happened to Dragon and Luffy there wouldn't be any leaders capable of toppling the WG. I don't expect to see this mentioned soon if they do go that route but if they do it'll probably be something revealed towards the end of the series.
It'd be cool to see if something like.. Garp dies, and his dying words to Luffy were "I just wanted to make the world a better place.. not all Gov people are evil blah blah", then Luffy is responsible for fixing the world.. and his kid is eventually democratically elected as a leader of the new ruling body by being a generally cool, smart, whatever guy.. bringing the Garp line full circle.
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Also, Shakky and Rayleigh are actively trying to get them to hook up. Since the Roger line is culled maybe they're trying to preserve the will of D and want Boa to raise his kid while no one is the wiser. Baring in mind the fiasco with Ace's birth they'd need to be more careful, and if something happened to Dragon and Luffy there wouldn't be any leaders capable of toppling the WG.
Not to be rude, but where the hell are you getting this from? They are not as far as we know, actively trying to do anything of this sort. Don't state something that is entirely baseless as fact (although I suppose any person with sense would stop and think how utterly ridiculous it is). Luffy doesn't seem the type to get laid over a one-sided love relationship anyway. I highly doubt Rayleigh's "idea" was to get them to have sex; I thought it'd be something more along the lines of ringing the bell and/or haki training.
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A quick question: why would the marines be afraid of the calm belt? I was under the impression that the bottoms of their ships are coated with sea stone.
I know this has been answered, but I believe the implication is that since the seastone belt is not 100 percent effective that they would be apprehensive about heading into the calm belt. I do not think this is true in general, but whatevs.
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Not to be rude, but where the hell are you getting this from? They are not as far as we know, actively trying to do anything of this sort. Don't state something that is entirely baseless as fact (although I suppose any person with sense would stop and think how utterly ridiculous it is). Luffy doesn't seem the type to get laid over a one-sided love relationship anyway. I highly doubt Rayleigh's "idea" was to get them to have sex; I thought it'd be something more along the lines of ringing the bell and/or haki training.
It was mentioned a few chapters ago.
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This type of relationship is common is shonen, since it's not a love story.
It actually reminds me alot of Vegita and Bulma (except the personalities are vice versa) . Based on all these hints and Odas foreshadowing filled story telling style, this definitely seems like a possibility. Luffy was too busy and distracted to be falling for anyone, but he could warm up to her.. she would have to become less cold hearted but she's already shown signs of that.Since he'll have some time to sit and think know, and maybe a talk from Rayleigh.. who knows.. things could change. Plus like I said this is way too left field, even for Oda.. to be revealed now and would be something that would come up later when it would properly fit into the story.
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Also, Shakky and Rayleigh are actively trying to get them to hook up. Since the Roger line is culled maybe they're trying to preserve the will of D and want Boa to raise his kid while no one is the wiser. Baring in mind the fiasco with Ace's birth they'd need to be more careful, and if something happened to Dragon and Luffy there wouldn't be any leaders capable of toppling the WG. I don't expect to see this mentioned soon if they do go that route but if they do it'll probably be something revealed towards the end of the series.
It'd be cool to see if something like.. Garp dies, and his dying words to Luffy were "I just wanted to make the world a better place.. not all Gov people are evil blah blah", then Luffy is responsible for fixing the world.. and his kid is eventually democratically elected as a leader of the new ruling body by being a generally cool, smart, whatever guy.. bringing the Garp line full circle.
Sweet baby eating Christ no.
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It was mentioned a few chapters ago.
What? This doesn't mean that they are trying to get them to hook up… It was just an assumption made by Shakky about what could be the reason why Hancock would have helped Luffy, when they were speculating where Kuma could have sent Luffy, and how Luffy could have gone to Impel Down from there.
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That's taking it out of context. Shakky is basically saying "if Hancock was in love with Luffy, it would make sense for him to be at Amazon Lily."
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What? This doesn't mean that they are trying to get them to hook up… It was just an assumption made by Shakky about what could be the reason why Hancock would have helped Luffy, when they were speculating where Kuma could have sent Luffy, and how Luffy could have gone to Impel Down from there.
Yes that is the way I read it too, when I read it, but I can see Grunk's point, and actually, technically it could be an alternate way of reading Shakky's comment–i.e. that she got bit by the match making bug--but that doesn't really prove that Ray would go along with the idea, lol--so for the moment it is way too far left field to take seriously. But Grunk, if hundreds of chapters from now you are proven right, I'll help you celebrate .
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I'm just theorizing based on possible foreshadowing and how shonens work.
I knew it would be an unpopular opinion and it's way out there right now.. but it could be made to work. Shakky and Rayleigh are upper tier revolutionaries so there could be more to that conversation than something that jumps out and states it blatantly. Plus the Luffy / Boa relationship has been fairly heavily built upon.. and if Luffy did find a woman, since he is deadly serious with friendship when it came to love he's not just gonna pull a Sanji when he sees a nice set.. and they really are great for eachother if she warms up and she can protect his progeny better than anyone else that was revealed. Boa would have to change alot, but that type of thing isn't alien in this type of story.. plus Boa was one of the first characters conceptualized for the story for Oda.