I think it's just his bounty in the paper. Remember, it wasn't long ago story-time that he got his 300 million bounty, so Chopper saying "why again" makes sense if he is musing about the bounty.
Chapter 591: "You Sure That's Alright?" Discussion
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My favorite is the editors note from Ch. 586 as Luffy and Ace where running away during the fire in the Luffy's recent flashback.
Editor's note: Will they make it out alive!?
well that one's obvious do they think we're stupid?
The Will of D. lives!!
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That is…if he doesn't intend on punishing the hell out of Sanji in the final panel again.
LOL. Given what's already gone on, that's a distinct possibility.
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Urouge, I'm not really into taking sides on arguments which I don't really care about, but I just thought I'd give a response to one of your questions, "Why didn't he send him to the same place if he could?". My only answer to that is the same you'd get from allot off other people "to improve.". But I wouldn't say your question is a valid point as to why he can't decide since you can also ask "Why didn't he send them all in the same direction?", which, as far as I can tell, is an undisputed part of his ability.
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I don't think I could defend your argument on even half of the places the crew landed. Would you like to try?
Either would be speculation would it not? Some baseless and others with something backing it.
Kuma sending Robin to that bridge could make sense if he knew the revolutionaries were going to take it over, stop construction, and free those slaves. Robin wanting to go there subconsciously does not make any sense.
It all depends on what info Kuma actually had compared to the crew's individual subconsciousness which seems to me more of a reach.
By calling him a cyborg and saying he wasn't very strong for getting messed up so easily? Any doofus could have made that same judgment while witnessing that fight with no info beyond a wanted poster.
Not so much talking about the gap in quality but since Kuma wants to help like he told Ray he'd send Franky to a place where he could become an improved cyborg. I'm talking about the part where Kuma says Franky can not be compared to him.
I never made any argument at all about it being random. It's almost certainly not.
Yeah I got the gist of it from somebody else somehow Kuma's ability can tap in to your mind or some shit and the person's subconscious influences where they end up. I then went on to ask how that explains where Sanji or Robin ended up.
Just to reiterate, if Kuma having info to pick the places is boggling the crew subconsciously influencing where they end up is mind boggling and in essence for that to be explained somebody with knowledge on Kuma's DF or Kuma himself would probably explain it anyway.
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The most likely scenario is that Kuma only bothered to tell Rayleigh the direction he sent Luffy to, and Ray deduced where he ended up.
wait, so you are saying that kuma would risk his own shichibukai status (and maybe much more) to save the strawhats' asses while rayleigh is also risking his life against an admiral..and then later he wouldn't "bother" to tell rayleigh the exact location…? are you serious...?
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wait, so you are saying that kuma would risk his own shichibukai status (and maybe much more) to save the strawhats' asses while rayleigh is also risking his life against an admiral..and then he wouldn't "bother" to tell them the exact location…? are you serious...?
Ray "risking his life" is irrelevant to that situation and untrue so kill that noise.
As far as Kuma he didn't risk his life at that time either. He risked his status but it wouldn't matter anyway cuz he was going to be "dead" in a few days.
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This is still too complicated, this might be a better explanation as to why they landed on land, since it's simpler:
Kuma's ability somehow makes the person land in the first place where there is soil above the sea in the direction he was sent (maybe the same thing who sets the Log Pose's direction in each island also affects Kuma's bear-palm-shaped-bubble-of-air?). And the person doesn't land in the same island he was repulsed from immediately after being sent because the repulsion force is too strong at the beginning of the journey.
I believe he intended to send them to specific places to achieve some purposes (gaining more power for instance) but he couldn't be sure if they actually landed there. Or that there was more then one probable place in the path he sent them who could be useful to them even if they landed elsewhere.
I have to disagree. It's all too much of a coincidence to just be random. And you seriously think that the islands they landed on were actually the first islands they encountered because of the electromagnetic fields (log pose's direction)? Sorry, but then they should have remained within GL. Remember that only the islands in GL have those fields, that's why they use a special compass instead of the regular ones.
Btw, the archipelago doesn't affect the log pose's direction since it's just a collection of trees. See, a hole.
He intended to send them specifically to islands which should help them improve, but he wasn't sure if they got there at all? What if vegapunk's island was magically in the line from Sabaody to Kambakka kingdom? Sanji would have ended up there, and I don't see how being in an island with technogeeks could benefit him in any way.
Hm how about this, i will assume how Kuma DF work :
HE Sent luffy Flying into a Direction, And he will Land on an island in 3 days, which mean that the speed of flying depend on how far this island cause Luffy will only Fly for 3 days.
So, On that direction, just like a line, lies many island, Luffy would land on the First one on that line which is Amazon Lilyis this crazy talk too ?
Yep. It is.
well that one's obvious do they think we're stupid?
I think they do :wassat:
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Rayleigh offered Luffy a 'plan' and we never got to see what it was.
Then at the end of the chapter we've got Chopper riding away knowing that Ace died and wanting to tend to Luffy's wounds. Furthermore, he comments that the news about the war should be wrapping up soon suggesting that a significant chunk of time has passed (few weeks? in other words, not too long after Rayleigh's offer) and then we see him react bug-eyed about something insane that Luffy has done, "…again!"
Safe to believe this has to do with Rayleigh's plan that has been enacted and it does not suggest that (IF one is to occur) a time-skip has happened. In other words, if it's going to happen, it will happen after whatever it is that has just been enacted.
Now, the killer part is that the case for a time-skip and the case against it are given equal evidence here YET AGAIN.
We've got Usopp in a scenario where he's fat, and by OP comic world rules seems to be able to take more damage, where he has to fight progressively stronger enemies in order to escape. That could take a long time.
Meanwhile, Chopper's already seemingly wrapped up everything where he is.
So…yeah. The battle rages on. It's extremely exciting/frustrating.
Has nothing to do with your grammar and everything to do with your sarcasm radar being out of commission.
I get where your coming from, but I took the whole Usopp and Chopper side stories as taking place just as Silvers gives his offer. Mainly because of the "meanwhile" part, but that could be just because of the english translation I read.
Only thing is Chopper does seem to know about Ace already where as it seems Usopp just found out.
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wait, so you are saying that kuma would risk his own shichibukai status (and maybe much more) to save the strawhats' asses while rayleigh is also risking his life against an admiral..and then later he wouldn't "bother" to tell rayleigh the exact location…? are you serious...?
Wait….are you suggesting Kuma gave a flying fuck about keeping his Schibukai status when he was going to be considered dead 2-3 days later.
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@Zik:
Ray "risking his life" is irrelevant to that situation and untrue so kill that noise.
As far as Kuma he didn't risk his life at that time either. He risked his status but it wouldn't matter anyway cuz he was going to be "dead" in a few days anyway.
yea maybe saying he was risking his life is too much, but he certainly was at a disadvantage against kizaru, as tis page (top-left panel) shows
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Wait….are you suggesting Kuma gave a flying fuck about keeping his Schibukai status when he was going to be considered dead 2-3 days later.
forget kuma,(i can't tell if his agreement with the wg had something to do with letting luffy and his crew off the admiral's hook) the main point is rayleigh: after seeing ray fight against kizaru for the shs' sake kuma should have come to trust him enough to tell him luffy's location (if only he knew it, of course)
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Did you consider Kuma might not have wanted to make sure a specific ADMIRAL who happened to be right nearby and also could travel at THE SPEED OF LIGHT could not ascertain the exact location were he to overhear? Seriously, Rayleigh and Kuma weren't the only people there at the time
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forget kuma,(i can't tell if his agreement with the wg had something to do with letting luffy and his crew off the admiral's hook) the main point is rayleigh: after seeing ray fight against kizaru for the shs' sake kuma should have come to trust him enough to tell him luffy's location (if only he knew it, of course)
Why the hell would the WG want to help Luffy escape? Kuma blowing them away was basically he's final FU to WG before he was fully converted or "dead".
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Didn't they basically confirm that Kuma was there against orders anyways
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@Robo:
Urouge, I'm not really into taking sides on arguments which I don't really care about, but I just thought I'd give a response to one of your questions, "Why didn't he send him to the same place if he could?". My only answer to that is the same you'd get from allot off other people "to improve.".
So do you believe he picked a bunch of islands that he thought they could each individually improve at? Is that your stance?
But I wouldn't say your question is a valid point as to why he can't decide since you can also ask "Why didn't he send them all in the same direction?", which, as far as I can tell, is an undisputed part of his ability.
The same direction? Please don't force an opinion on me, since I've never subscribed to the idea that he simply picks a direction. That's possibly the worst idea of the lot.
@Zik:
Either would be speculation would it not? Some baseless and others with something backing it.
Yes, but if you believe that you're correct in how the ability works, then you should be able to come up with reasonable answers when challenged. Otherwise you're just being stubborn.
Kuma sending Robin to that bridge could make sense if he knew the revolutionaries were going to take it over, stop construction, and free those slaves. Robin wanting to go there subconsciously does not make any sense.
Except that it was a work which had been in progress for 700 years and its purpose was intentionally left as a mystery. Robin cares about history, as I recall. I'm hesitant to defend the idea of "wanting" to go to these islands, since I'm in not really convinced of that. I don't claim to to be able to say exactly how the power works.
Seeing how you've turned this back on me, I'm guessing that you're in no way confident that you can defend it.
Not so much talking about the gap in quality but since Kuma wants to help like he told Ray he'd send Franky to a place where he could become an improved cyborg. I'm talking about the part where Kuma says Franky can not be compared to him.
Franky has an easy location to explain with just about any theory. I suppose I don't understand how Kuma's comments about Franky matter to this argument.
Yeah I got the gist of it from somebody else somehow Kuma's ability can tap in to your mind or some shit and the person's subconscious influences where they end up. I then went on to ask how that explains where Sanji or Robin shows up.
Well, that's certainly more in depth than I'd want to go. Really I tend to stop at "the person that gets sent flying has some measure of control over where they end up."
Sanji is actually really easy. He wound up on the island of dreams, a land of pink, where everyone has the heart of a maiden. Sounds like just the kind of place he'd request, if he was going to. Of course the anime wants to claim that he's an okama deep down, so I can't blatantly deny that possibility, either. Robin I answered above.
Just to reiterate, if Kuma having info to pick the places is boggling the crew subconsciously influencing where they end up is mind boggling and in essence for that to be explained somebody with knowledge on Kuma's DF or Kuma himself would probably explain it anyway.
So you're saying the knowledge Kuma would need to want to send Luffy to Amazon Lily is less of a headache than the idea that one of his abilities is influenced by the affected? If that's the case, we should just agree to disagree right now.
Did you consider Kuma might not have wanted to make sure a specific ADMIRAL who happened to be right nearby and also could travel at THE SPEED OF LIGHT could not ascertain the exact location were he to overhear? Seriously, Rayleigh and Kuma weren't the only people there at the time
Did you consider that the conversation took place after the fight was over and the admiral was gone?
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After that they'd probably start to work on getting back.
Precisely. Which is exactly what Kuma didn't want to happen.
I get where your coming from, but I took the whole Usopp and Chopper side stories as taking place just as Silvers gives his offer.
If this is the case, what does Chopper have to be surprised about regarding Luffy? He knows Luffy is somehow safe and that time has passed since the war.
If it was something as simple as, say for instance, a bounty raise, it should make perfect sense.
I'm not saying that isn't possible that you're correct, but it seems very Oda to go the route I suggested.
Let's say only the person that knows where they're heading IS the individual attacked by Kuma.
How in the hell does this make any sense for each and every one of them?
One might make the case that Luffy wanted to be stronger and that's why he went somewhere with incredibly powerful individuals.
Okay, so….why didn't he instantly fly to some island on The New World?
But then assuming it's somewhere they 'want' to go, why did Sanji go to the polar opposite of anywhere he'd ever EVER want to visit, unless Oda intends to explore SERIOUS closet issues?
So maybe they're sent places to be made stronger? That obviously seems to be the case for Usopp and Luffy and Nami and Franky right?
Then what about Chopper?
"Hey thanks for saving us! We're all friends now! Toodles!"
Did Kuma actually think about each of their emotional states and randomly 'repel' their desires?
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Is it possible that Kuma LITERALLY having the power of binary computation at his disposal along with knowledge of the crew's abilities that he was aware of NOT only through actually fighting/experiencing their attacks in TB, but seeming to have prior knowledge of their capabilities, knew where he could send them so that they'd be spared the impending war, would have a means of returning AND even be given ample opportunity to improve themselves with the exception of Chopper?
I mean let's face it folks.
I know exactly what aohige and cheaptrick are suggesting and the grammar DOES make sense both ways. No arguing that.
But that doesn't default to meaning Kuma isn't aware of it himself. It's just a mysterious way of saying, "There's no way in hell you'll ever know where they've gone."
Young man to mysterious mountain sage: Where am I going in life O' sage?
Old creepy mountain sage: Only you know where you're going.
Young man: OOOoooooOOOOH!
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I did. That's why I checked, and found that part happened right when Kizaru was right next to Rayleigh. Unless you're suggesting it wasn't the part where Rayleigh asks if he should really believe Kuma. Which makes no sense because a)It wouldn't explain what he said at that time and B) I doubt Kizaru would let him go walking around on his own after he did something so blatantly against orders, expecially by helping criminals live when Kizaru could easily have dealed with them
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Did you consider Kuma might not have wanted to make sure a specific ADMIRAL who happened to be right nearby and also could travel at THE SPEED OF LIGHT could not ascertain the exact location were he to overhear? Seriously, Rayleigh and Kuma weren't the only people there at the time
when rayleigh and kuma talk about luffy's whereabout they are in front of ray's house and the tumult seems to be over.. but if we consider that kuma said to rayleigh that he was working for the revolutionaries no more than 3 meters far from kizaru…
Why the hell would the WG want to help Luffy escape? Kuma blowing them away was basically he's final FU to WG before he was fully converted or "dead".
sorry, i didn't express myself well. i meant that kuma's agreement to let the wg do as they please with his body and head may have been some kind of punishment for helping the shs.. well this is not even a theory, just a feeling of mine, so you don't need to bother thinking over it
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oh and in the latest chapter, Kizaru is in the picture where Kuma tells rayleigh he is part of the revolution
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So do you believe he picked a bunch of islands that he thought they could each individually improve at? Is that your stance?
Based on my lack of knowledge on the subject, but as I said I'm not really going to argue this subject given it's high amount of japanese translation and my low amount of japanese speaking. As of now I'm just going with my long term impressions, hoping for a consensus among the arguing parties and then agreeing to it.
The same direction? Please don't force an opinion on me, since I've never subscribed to the idea that he simply picks a direction. That's possibly the worst idea of the lot.
Oh, I apologize I thought it was accepted that he at the very least had the ability to choose direction. I didn't mean to oush my views of it on you. Just to see if I can come up with a suitable answer for you, what do you believe his abilities are?
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Although yeah he did talk to Reyleigh afterwards a bit, so I guess that's a fair point. Though that doesn't mean Kuma wasn't sure someone else was monitoring him
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And the million dollar question.
Why wouldn't Kuma tell Rayleigh Luffy's exact location?
Because Rayleigh can swim across the Calm Belt leaving giant sea monsters dead in his wake and collect Luffy ASAP putting a wrench in Kuma's effort to protect him.
And I'll be damned if that's not exactly what the old geezer fucking went and did.
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To be fair, Rayleigh did say he doesn't think Luffy should go back uyet. But then, Kuma surely didn't know Luffy would have gone through an event that would make him think through the decision, and Rayleigh himself said he won't stop Luffy if he doesn't take his preposal
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And the million dollar question.
Why wouldn't Kuma tell Rayleigh Luffy's exact location?
Because Rayleigh can swim across the Calm Belt leaving giant sea monsters dead in his wake and collect Luffy ASAP putting a wrench in Kuma's effort to protect him.
And I'll be damned if that's not exactly what the old geezer fucking went and did.
LOL that's true.
So–back to Chopper and his paper. I was going to argue something about there never having been a skip in time not noted in the little narrator boxes previously, but remembered that there's never been a time skip of any notable length before. It would be totally like Oda to introduce something completely new to teh story with a new technique for doing do--but its extraordinarily subtle. For the sake of the cliff hanger?
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And the million dollar question.
Why wouldn't Kuma tell Rayleigh Luffy's exact location?
Because Rayleigh can swim across the Calm Belt leaving giant sea monsters dead in his wake and collect Luffy ASAP putting a wrench in Kuma's effort to protect him.
And I'll be damned if that's not exactly what the old geezer fucking went and did.
Pretty much what I had in mind for a while now. I'm certain he wanted to keep Luffy out of the war, or at least Dragon did.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Pretty much what I had in mind for a while now. I'm certain he wanted to keep Luffy out of the war, or at least Dragon did.
yes I can testify that Romance said the exact same thing when this same argument raged earlier today (last night for you Greg) It was the thing that finally convinced me Kuma does in fact know where he sends his "victims." Its the one answer that covers all the information we have to date on that power.
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Precisely. Which is exactly what Kuma didn't want to happen.
So Kuma sent them all to different islands because he didn't want them to return. Rather, he sent Luffy alone to Amazon Lily because he wanted Luffy to ____?
I did. That's why I checked, and found that part happened right when Kizaru was right next to Rayleigh. Unless you're suggesting it wasn't the part where Rayleigh asks if he should really believe Kuma. Which makes no sense because a)It wouldn't explain what he said at that time and B) I doubt Kizaru would let him go walking around on his own after he did something so blatantly against orders, expecially by helping criminals live when Kizaru could easily have dealed with them
Well, the line you're referring to is Rayleigh talking on Amazon Lily in present time. Then we get the flashback panel of what Kuma says during the fight "I work the revolutionary army and I want to help this group escape" basically. That would then be followed by "you expect me to believe that?" and "that's for you to decide." The next panel suggests that they then began talking again after and away from the fight (which is logically where Kuma would tell Rayleigh where Luffy went).
@Robo:
Oh, I apologize I thought it was accepted that he at the very least had the ability to choose direction. I didn't mean to oush my views of it on you. Just to see if I can come up with a suitable answer for you, what do you believe his abilities are?
The only stance I have is that the affected has some measure of control over where they get sent (at least in this case). I'm not even trying to say that Kuma can't choose if he wants to.
I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to tell me why Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily.
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To be fair, Rayleigh did say he doesn't think Luffy should go back uyet.
This is really irrelevant as it has little to do with 'what' Rayleigh would suggest to him and rather simply that he would suggest something potetially dangerous to him.
Which appears to be the case.
Now, Oda could turn around and tell us that Kuma somehow repels X emotion and they go flying off somewhere that they don't even no exists. I won't make a declaration that the notion is wrong without question.
But that's such a heavy load to swallow that I don't think Oda could bring himself to create such a repulsive "HEERESHOWDISHAPPENDHYUCKHYUCK" when it simply makes sense that he knows where he sent them.
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So Kuma sent them all to different islands because he didn't want them to return. Rather, he sent Luffy alone to Amazon Lily because he wanted Luffy to learn how to control Haki.
Really the only wild cards are Chopper and Brook.
Chopper seems to have been sent there as a means to have an easy return. But Brook? That's a toughie. YEAH they're druidish black magicians and whatnot, but that shows some questionable logic on the part of Kuma. How would he know they were looking for someone just like him at that moment and how would he know the environment would be otherwise suitable to improving such a new crew member?
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Another thing to note is that I think it's highly improbable government wasn't keeping tabs on Kuma based on his past, and I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt they didn't know anything about his role in the revolutionaries. The World government seems to smart not to do backround checks for things like this, and Kuma is not exactly the type that can blend into a crowd well. And considering all the cybernetic enhancements, what better way of monitoring him than putting devices into his body that would litteraly record everything he does with the obvious exception o fhis thoughts. Now why would they give him this position if they knew? Possibly to leak false information, and I'm also guessing one of the first things they did when he was undergoing the pacifista transformation was put something in there that would kill Kuma if he ever seemed to pose too much of a threat. Because I highly doubt they'd give him those sort of implants without a way of stopping him from turning them on the world govt at the last minute. BUt yeah, I think they just had bigger priorities, and they thought they could use Kuma better than he could use them
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So Kuma sent them all to different islands because he didn't want them to return. Rather, he sent Luffy alone to Amazon Lily because he wanted Luffy to ____?
I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to tell me why Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily.
Amazon Lily specifically no one can say just yet. But my best guess is that he figured Luffy would have the hardest time escaping there. A land where everyone is capable of getting through his rubber defense, in the calm belt, with man hating Hancock. Luffy would surely survive, but to escape in time for the war? No way! Well except he did. Not to mention he could potentialy pick up Haki.
Edit: man I type slow.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Yes, but if you believe that you're correct in how the ability works, then you should be able to come up with reasonable answers when challenged. Otherwise you're just being stubborn.
Not correct just highly more likely than what's being suggested.
Except that it was a work which had been in progress for 700 years and its purpose was intentionally left as a mystery. Robin cares about history, as I recall. I'm hesitant to defend the idea of "wanting" to go to these islands, since I'm in not really convinced of that. I don't claim to to be able to say exactly how the power works.
Any history dealing with this "mysterious" bridge project could be revealed by the revolutionaries.
So unless you're saying this bridge ties in to the rio poneglyph/void century I wouldn't just randomly tack on that Robin's an archeologist and is interested in all history. Even then I'm finding it hard to understand how this wanting go some place takes them somewhere they weren't originally aware of.
I don't see it as a coincidence that Kuma, a revolutionary sent Robin to a place that was overthrown by revolutionaries.
Seeing how you've turned this back on me, I'm guessing that you're in no way confident that you can defend it.
Not each SH case. No. Like I said before I feel it's more likely that Kuma knew. I'm sure there'll be some revelations on why Sanji, Brook, Usopp, Zoro, Nami, and Chopper were sent where they were sent.
Franky has an easy location to explain with just about any theory. I suppose I don't understand how Kuma's comments about Franky matter to this argument.
Kuma comments about Franky paling in comparison to him as far as cyborgs go. Kuma sends Franky to Vegapunks old lab so he can become a higher qaulity of cyborg. I don't know how this is hard to understand especially after saying Franky's location is easy to explain with any theory especially since Kuma is the one that sent him.
But to say that his location can be explained with any theory I just don't see how Franky wanting to improve himself or go somewhere that he could accomplish that doesn't make Kuma's ability more magical than any other DF
Well, that's certainly more in depth than I'd want to go. Really I tend to stop at "the person that gets sent flying has some measure of control over where they end up."
And these measures are? You make it sound like they can control how many days they're flying through the air at some degree before we even get to where they land.
Sanji is actually really easy. He wound up on the island of dreams, a land of pink, where everyone has the heart of a maiden. Sounds like just the kind of place he'd request, if he was going to. Of course the anime wants to claim that he's an okama deep down, so I can't blatantly deny that possibility, either.
Wow. Maybe this is why I just don't see this as likely. I just can't find it in me to take that seriously. Maybe it is a valid argument but I'm not grasping the overt fantasy part of the means. Just seems like a reach on how Kuma's DF works.
So you're saying the knowledge Kuma would need to want to send Luffy to Amazon Lily is less of a headache than the idea that one of his abilities is influenced by the affected? If that's the case, we should just agree to disagree right now.
Yes. Not less of a headache just more believable. I find Kuma having the necessary knowledge more of a clear cut route than how some of you are trying to explain Kuma's DF and how it functions in regards to sending ppl places.
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That's an excellent point Romance and you remind me that it's a number of factors that, again excluding Brook as far as we know, seem to be best suited to the individual:
Improving
Having a means of return suitable to their abilities
Being kept at bay just long enoughIt makes sense that this didn't entirely work out for Luffy because Luffy is Luffy.
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Chopper seems to have been sent there as a means to have an easy return. But Brook? That's a toughie. YEAH they're druidish black magicians and whatnot, but that shows some questionable logic on the part of Kuma. How would he know they were looking for someone just like him at that moment and how would he know the environment would be otherwise suitable to improving such a new crew member?
I thought people had been mentioning it's too learn some Apoo like abilities. That is of course assuming that Apoo was not unique on his island, but that's the best connection there is between Brook and the island.
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I thought people had been mentioning it's too learn some Apoo like abilities.
And he mistakenly landed in the black magician's village?
Interesting theory BUT I currently have to side with the idea that Apoo seems to be unique amongst his people based on their (brief) appearance.
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Fill in the blank. I love these. ;)
Really the only wild cards are Chopper and Brook.
Chopper seems to have been sent there as a means to have an easy return. But Brook? That's a toughie. YEAH they're druidish black magicians and whatnot, but that shows some questionable logic on the part of Kuma. How would he know they were looking for someone just like him at that moment and how would he know the environment would be otherwise suitable to improving such a new crew member?
I've thought of a reason for Brook:
Wasn't the supernova with the music attacks a longarm? Maybe the longarm people have some special knowledge about how to use music (vibrations in the air) to fight. Since this appears to be Brook's specialty, it would be an ideal place for him to learn and improve.[edit] Beaten to the punch. Touche, Robogorilla.
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I know exactly what aohige and cheaptrick are suggesting and the grammar DOES make sense both ways. No arguing that.
But that doesn't default to meaning Kuma isn't aware of it himself. It's just a mysterious way of saying, "There's no way in hell you'll ever know where they've gone."
Young man to mysterious mountain sage: Where am I going in life O' sage?
Old creepy mountain sage: Only you know where you're going.
Young man: OOOoooooOOOOH!
for those thinking that kuma knows the exact location of his victims: fine, but you have to find a good reason why kuma didn't tell luffy's location to rayleigh (don't forget that he didn't hesitate to tell rayleigh that he was working for the revolutionary army).
abouth that line of sentoumaru in ch513, just like aohige, I also can see easily why he and cnet saw it the other way but i don't agree with them also for various non strictly grammar-related reasons:
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the subject of the periphrasis (kuma) is clear enough to be omitted: who else could perform that techinque other than kuma? no one; where is the "subject" while sentoumaru talks to luffy? very very close.
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why bother using a periphrasis in the first place? why not just saying "only kuma knows"? it could be because the subject is not a person in particular (not just zoro but all those blown away by kuma) but a generic one, hence the need for a periphrasis <–I gotta admit it could be just sentoumaru wanting to perform a cryptic sounding speech though
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why didn't Oda bother to clear all the doubts on the spot (by either using "tobasareta" or "kuma" ? either because he didn't want to , in order to have the freedom to heavily change the plot without messing up all the details any time later, or because he thought that the word honnin 本人 [person himself] was enough to clear any misunderstanding (opposed to the word chouhonnin 張本人 [perpetrator] used by rayleigh in this chapter with the same verb, to refer to kuma)
EDIT: lol greg, good job at anticipating my question :-D
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Another thing to note is that I think it's highly improbable government wasn't keeping tabs on Kuma based on his past, and I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt they didn't know anything about his role in the revolutionaries. The World government seems to smart not to do backround checks for things like this, and Kuma is not exactly the type that can blend into a crowd well. And considering all the cybernetic enhancements, what better way of monitoring him than putting devices into his body that would litteraly record everything he does with the obvious exception o fhis thoughts. Now why would they give him this position if they knew? Possibly to leak false information, and I'm also guessing one of the first things they did when he was undergoing the pacifista transformation was put something in there that would kill Kuma if he ever seemed to pose too much of a threat. Because I highly doubt they'd give him those sort of implants without a way of stopping him from turning them on the world govt at the last minute. BUt yeah, I think they just had bigger priorities, and they thought they could use Kuma better than he could use them
that could be why he didn't tell rayleigh the specifics
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Yeah but what holds me back is that Kuma shouldn't have known he was a crew member.
Now, if he has a database of bountied pirates past and present and he was on-the-spot able to access that when he saw him on Sabaody….okay. That makes a lot of sense. But otherwise I dunno about that.
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Man, we are having an actual discussion today, nice!
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but you have to find a good reason why kuma didn't tell luffy's location to rayleigh
It's on page 56.
abouth that line of sentoumaru in ch513, just like aohige, I also can see easily why he and cnet saw it the other way but i don't agree with them also for various non strictly grammar-related reasons:
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the subject of the periphrasis (kuma) is clear enough to be omitted: who else could perform that techinque other than kuma? no one; where is the "subject" while sentoumaru talks to luffy? very very close.
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why bother using a periphrasis in the first place? why not just saying "only kuma knows"? it could be because the subject is not a person in particular (not just zoro but all those blown away by kuma) but a generic one, hence the need for a periphrasis <–I gotta admit it could be just sentoumaru wanting to perform a cryptic sounding speech though
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why didn't Oda bother to clear all the doubts on the spot (by either using "tobasareta" or "kuma" ? either because he didn't want to , in order to have the freedom to heavily change the plot without messing up all the details any time later, or because he thought that the word honnin 本人 [person himself] was enough to clear any misunderstanding (opposed to the word chouhonnin 張本人 [perpetrator] used by rayleigh in this chapter with the same verb, to refer to kuma)
Yes. You can read Japanese.
We get it.
We don't care.
It's a muddled and needlessly complex approach to an otherwise simple scenario that can be explained by:
He knows where he sent them.
When I read the line it made absolutely perfect sense without having to agonize over subjectverbsubjectnounnounsubjectvolitionalnounverbsubject
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Yeah but what holds me back is that Kuma shouldn't have known he was a crew member.
Now, if he has a database of bountied pirates past and present and he was on-the-spot able to access that when he saw him on Sabaody….okay. That makes a lot of sense. But otherwise I dunno about that.
But he met all the SHs at TB Greg–and if the plan to "save" the SHs was hatched prior to the battle on SA, he would have had time to research Brook...
he did ask Nami about Luffy's realtionship to Ace way back then, ftr
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But he met all the SHs at TB Greg–and if the plan to "save" the SHs was hatched prior to the battle on SA, he would have had time to research Brook...
At which time Brook was not a Strawhat.
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yeah, but it seems like an easy conclusion to make consdiering he was helping htem and still with them afterwards
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At which time Brook was not a Strawhat.
Technicalities, LOL. MAybe he reseached all the folks on TB–if he can hold massive amounts of info, he could have done...
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He could have.
But I highly doubt finding out the Risky Brothers' blood-types would have been beneficial to him ;)
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He could have.
But I highly doubt finding out the Risky Brothers' blood-types would have been beneficial to him ;)
But it can be said that Brook was working more directly with the SHs on TB than the other people there–its possible that he observed that and decided to research Brook for that reason. If he did, it wouldn't have been a stretch to think he might join, since it was clear the rest of his crew would be dead or retired by that point. -
Kuma could've been stalking the Strawhats after Thriller Bark which is why he knows about Brook.
He was there at the meeting discussing the Strawhats back at Jaya.
He was the one who went to Thriller Bark because of the Strawhats.
And since we know he's a revolutionary it could've all been part of Dragon's plan for Kuma to keep an eye out on Luffy, hence why he was there to save him when he did.
