What is this "so much Boa stuff" you talk about?
Her past
Her desires
Her present
Her quirks
The stupid love comments troughout the time we see boa.
What is this "so much Boa stuff" you talk about?
Her past
Her desires
Her present
Her quirks
The stupid love comments troughout the time we see boa.
@Cyan:
Is Hancock even aware of the crew?
Not in anything that would be considered Canon. The anime had a few scenes where she asks Luffy about them and gets super jealous of Nami and Robin (funny stuff) but that's from the anime…
Yeah good 1. But it was her (Oda's) decision for leaving the crew. Boa on the other hand showed real intrest.
LOL what the other guys said.
@OneManCollectiblez:
To follow luffy i meant!. Wich Vivi had no desire to
Following Luffy and joining the crew are two different things.
Also who says Vivi didn't want to continue to sail with her new pirate nakama? She just ended up making the right decision.
@Cyan:
Hancock has not once showed interest in joining the crew.
To follow luffy i meant!. Wich Vivi had no desire to
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
LOL what the other guys said.
Following Luffy and joining the crew are two different things.
Also who says Vivi didn't want to continue to sail with her new pirate nakama? She just ended up making the right decision.
Her desire for her beloved country, wich boa doesnt really have.(she treats her ppl like shit)
Well if a capable fighter stand for my believes & helping me out BIG time, I would be sure to at least ask him to join.
@Robo:
Please never post again.
Or u could just leave;)
Her desire for her beloved country, wich boa doesnt really have.(she treats her ppl like shit)
Well if a capable fighter stand for my believes & helping me out BIG time, I would be sure to at least ask him to join.
You realize this is incredibly against her joining right?
Or u could just leave;)
Please never post again.
Also, learn some grammar. It makes terrible posts far more bearable when they're coherent.
Hancock supporters have made it so Agog has never looked so good.
Great job.
I think we've entered the twilight zone….
To follow luffy i meant!. Wich Vivi had no desire to
So you don't actually as such read One Piece.
@Cyan:
Please never post again.
Also, learn some grammar. It makes terrible posts far more bearable when they're coherent.
English isn't my mother language so u can just shut up;). You think with ure Bonwithed head every1 on this forum knows english?. You cant tell me not to post because my grammer sucks, who made you God anyways?
I know you have high hopes for yourself, but you'll bang your head sometime.
want some help with it? Mr i am all perfect
So you don't actually as such read One Piece.
tell me when Vivi had desire to join?
There's this thing called subtext.
Try reading the end of Arabasta again with that in your arsenal.
Well the biggest clue was when she cried as they were sailing away. The only reason she didn't join was because she was a decent person and actually cared about the people in her country and the effect that her being a pirate would have on them.
I really hope Boa joins, not because I want her to join but just because some are so mindset about it being impossible to happen because blablabla. . .
I would seriously laugh.
Also, why do people bitch about grammar when a lot of members are not native English speakers? When they have nothing more to bitch about they bring up the grammarcard. That really is lame.
@Stephens:
Vivi: I WANT TO GO ADVENTURING WITH YOU SOME MORE,
BUT I CAN'T!!
Vivi having no desire to join right there
I see that after the flashback ends, one of many things could happen.
1. Hancock joins the crew, whether this is because she lost her title, the love sickness, or a combiniation of both. Oda deals with the fallout of AL some way. I have enough faith in his writing skills that he'd handle it properly.
2. Luffy leaves Al, but makes some sort of promise to return, therefore making her his Chi-Chi or Portgas D Rouge, while Hancock continues her duties as a warlord, but watching out for him by acting on the inside.
3. Hancock lies to the WG and says she will hunt him down, a way of staying close to him similar to what Smoker does.
4. She just fades away and we either get a coverstory about her (Something Oda does for many characters after an arc, like Water Seven and BW.) or she simply shows up at the next big holy crap plot moment.
Those are the most likely scenarios I can come up with that would either end her part in the story, or push her into the Straw Hat crew. No matter how you see her character or the events about her island or life. She's the most fleshed out and developed female since Vivi left and who's not Nami or Robin, and that has to count for something. Whether its all just concidence, or hints at things to come..
Oda deals with the fallout of AL some way.
That always seems to be the point you guys have no idea on, huh?
As it happens, I've suggested your third point on various occasions and it seems the most likely the way the story has been progressing.
There's this thing called subtext.
Try reading the end of Arabasta again with that in your arsenal.
Ok ok
@Robo:
Well the biggest clue was when she cried as they were sailing away. The only reason she didn't join was because she was a decent person and actually cared about the people in her country and the effect that her being a pirate would have on them.
Yeah ok but Boa is the Opposite of Vivi.
Yeah ok but Boa is the Opposite of Vivi.
If she doesn't care about her people she won't become a strawhat.
This is a pretty basic point.
Yeah ok but Boa is the Opposite of Vivi.
Yeah I know, a person with below strawhat level morals. That is a serious problem in her joining.
That always seems to be the point you guys have no idea on, huh?
It's because I don't know. I can throw out random ideas and speculations, but they would just be mostly my "fan wants." If Oda is going that route, then he already knows what to do.
If she doesn't care about her people she won't become a strawhat.
This is a pretty basic point.
why? Bad excample for the kids?
It's because I don't know. I can throw out random ideas and speculations, but they would just be mostly my "fan wants." If Oda is going that route, then he already knows what to do.
If I can't think of a reasonable way for something to happen, I tend to regard the chances of it happening as slim.
It's served me well so far.
@Robo:
Yeah I know, a person with below strawhat level morals. That is a serious problem in her joining.
She doen't have below SH level morals. I mean she did unstone the Kuji's
She doen't have below SH level morals. I mean she did unstone the Kuji's
She was unmoved by her sisters being about to kill them.
She, at that time, had way below the morals of a strawhat.
why? Bad excample for the kids?
You seriously think someone like that would join?
at that time
I think this is pretty much self explanatory
She was unmoved by her sisters being about to kill them.
She, at that time, had way below the morals of a strawhat.
true true, so she cant join than.
So in order for hanckock to join her Moral needs to change but also her island issue hmm ok. well they are still at the island so anything could happen.
I think this is pretty much self explanatory
Are you even following the chain of debate.
Collectable is saying that an unchanged hancock should be able to join.
true true, so she cant join than.
So in order for hanckock to join her Moral needs to change but also her island issue hmm ok. well they are still at the island so anything could happen.
Yes.
And this is the point some of us have been espousing. Since no one has been able to come up with a logical way of this happening, her chances of joining remain low.
I think this is pretty much self explanatory
I don't know what are you talking about. She hasn't changed at all. She just has a crush on Luffy. She's still the same person.
@Robo:
I don't know what are you talking about. She hasn't changed at all. She just has a crush on Luffy. She's still the same person.
She did show her soft side. Thats a side Nyon didnt see for a very long time!.
That does indicate changes
It's blantently gonna be pandaman.
Way too strong.
That's like having Roger, Shiki & Newgate all rolled into one in your crew.
Akainu would make a fine addition to the crew. He'd help Sanji in the kitchen and stuff.
ah found a clip when i got home.
if you recall my theory on the defend lily arc. take this clip and sub the ship Serenity with the Thousand Sunny, the Reavers with Sea Kings and the Federation with the World Government buster calling Amazon Lily, or attacking Amazon Lily
How awesome would about 1:50 be
We know stuff about Hancock because she is a Warlord not some random chick.
Croc will have his backstory, Kuma will have his backstory, Mihawk, will have his backstory, Dofa will have his backstory, Jimbei will have his backstory and even that fat pig Moria.
Moria thinks that you're a joke and that you should leave and never come back.
So many people here have no clue about the depth of characterization Oda has given Hancock.
I don't know whether it is the love for Luffy that turns them off of her or what.
People don't seem to have any bad things to say about Sanji who throughout the manga has been a million times worse than Hancock has ever been.
Hancock (and her sisters as well) was badly abused by the tenryuubito, this can be inferred by their reactions when telling Luffy of their past as well as how we have seen the tenryuubito treat slaves earlier.
Her demeanor is intending to keep people away from her as Nyon and her sisters realize, to protect her secret. She does not hate her people but cares for them the best she can in her own way.
What will happen in the future one cannot say with certainty, I still think that if she has not resolved her past then she must travel with Luffy. Staying on the island as Empress leaves her in the same situation that she was in before lying to her people to protect her and her sisters.
And I wonder how much OneManCollectiblez actually offends me when he says his "posts" are better than my own… I felt the lowest insult in my entire life, it does hurt. :blink:
I just want to finish off this ridiculous "rescue AL" rubbish now so it never rears its head again.
I like the way you think, and I hope this does do the job… Here's a WALL OF TEXT attack to renew this whole convo!!
i think i have posted the same responce enough to this argument.
It's the same wrong response…
basically boils down to Amazon Lily is and always has been a pirate nation.
Yes, here's a page resource:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/515/02-03/ - AL is made…
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/515/04/ - Been on steroids raising up their army ever since…
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/515/05/ = Motto is "power = beauty" so that means they compete like motherfuckers over there and gain a lot of power…
We don't know when they were pirates, but we know that they're pirates that attacked the WG for quite a while.
Hancock didn't make them this WANTED pirate nation. They were pirates long before she was ever born. They have all grown up their whole lifes knowing they are pirates and all grow up with idea of being as strong as you can. How do you guys think it is soo damn evil for hancock to leave the island. Oh damn they have to go back to being REAL pirates and not their cushoned lifestyle that Hancock gave them in the first place.
No, I don't care about Hancock because she could have easily left them all and ran off in her own direction rather than returning back to Amazon Lilly. She had the chance to head where ever she wished to go, it was her choice.
Yes, it is evil of her as the LEADER that shits all over them for at least 11 years and makes them look like trash every day in and out with her fucked up attitude… I believe that since she did all that trash, she should basically die for them like Christ died for his followers-- Even though I say this lightly since I don't give a damn for religion...
She is the reason they even have this treaty, if she didn't exist it would be same as if she breaks the treaty. Just back to being a pirate nation that lives close to WG. She is a Prisoner to teh nation right now. She is stuck with duties as their leader and duties to keep status for treaty.
It was her choice to even get into that position, her choice to take that power. She could have headed her own way if she wanted, blame her. She's going to be stuck with the responsibilities entrusted onto her, it's her job.
No, they wouldn't have been like they were, they had the Calm Belt to save them, now they don't.
When did Nyon leave? i would imagine way before 22 years ago. And she claims we were protected by that in the past, but now they have those ships so we need treaty. As soon as Hancock got back she got treaty in first voyage. the timelines suggest that they were pirates when nyon was around and that was before 22 years ago.
Yes, but it doesn't matter what they called themselves, they pillaged and attacked merchant ships for their goods– a heinous crime against the group in charge of those ships. Whether or not they were or weren't pirates is their own worth; they're evil against the WG and they're asking for an ass whooping.
And no, Hancock didn't save them, she just gained the TREATY before the WG was able to mass-produce those warships and send them against them... She offered the WG an incentive to have her services, rather than shut their world down and then rape their resources for their own usage...
yes recent technology allows marines to come. what about it. if hancock never existed or didn't get treaty to begin with they would be in same boat as if she breaks it. A pirate nation near MHQ, in the calm belt that is now travelable. I'll say again, Hancock is a prisoner to the treaty. That just doesn't sound like something we will leave unresolved.
well in my theory i said Doflamingo and Buster Call.
Yes, they'd have been killed ages ago if the WG had those ships, that's the "influence" that suggests from the manga that they are a high priority case– you get the point of what this means if she lets them die and hopes they won't get attacked?
Well, in my theory, I say that Hancock gets butt fucked and then Luffy kills her because he gets a present from Perona on SA that has the incident of AL on the front page that they're all dead, and then Perona joins because she saved the day!!
Theories like these are great, no?
but that's the one thing going on? What else is going on in world and who is needed were to do what? You guys keep saying they can do two things at once and this isn't whitebeard. Please tell me what teh hundreds of other pirates are doing. the other yonkou, the revolutionaries and so on. And how and what the WG is sending and doing for each event?
I did…
New World isn't under the WG's influence, they ignore all of that stuff anyway.
Revolutionary Army is biding their time and hiding, they can't bother to provoke them nor could they find them.
Luffy, Blackbeard, and any other moving pirate ship is moving around and would take time to locate and find, they're not stationary.
Every other newbie pirate in the Blues are rookies and will eventually head to go through the Red Line in the Grand Line anyway, so they'll be caught in the future, they're not of top priority.
So, this leaves with the looming threat of the neighbor AL tribe being there... They're at the highest priority because of them being so close and dangerous to the safety of the WG's main officials.
Plus, they are stationary and evil by law, there's just too many advantages in attacking them...
oh yea that would be impossible to tell, which is why I say you 2 things at once argument is bullshit. They may be doing 50 things at once, but amazon lily may not be one of those 50 things RIGHT NOW. Sooner or Later yes, but we don't know and can't tell when. if now or later.
Please, tell me what 50 things come before Amazon Lilly and what "priority" class your dumbass took in college; cause you're a dipshit.
@OneManCollectiblez:
Thats because it was nonsence what u posted.
I seriously hope you take your preschool lessons seriously, you've got to be the saddest excuse for a human being that I've seen; someone dumber than that of a rock is practically unbearable…
@Hinscher:
I think you stated what I have been trying to say. I'm not arguing that AL won't be attacked, just saying we dont' know WHEN.
It doesn't matter… The flaw is that you're saying Boa Hancock can join and will be accepted even though this is bound to happen eventually... That's the problem.
what do you consider attacking WG. Maybe no one is directly attacking their army or HQ's, but if some pirates come to my hometown and start attacking people there, i consider that attacking the U.S. You don't need to attack pearl harbor or something like that.
Brownbeard isn't attacking their home town… Furthermore, unless Fisher Tiger's follower pulls a Fisher Tiger, nobody is attacking Marijoes... Luckily for you, the Amazon Lilly people are the closest to having the chance to attack Marijoes since Fishman Island is on a freaking peace treaty with WG...
Unfortunately, if Boa Hancock joins, the AL will be considered as a threat and their ass will be lit ablaze...
The idea that you even took a class in something is insulting; not to me, but to whatever college you went to that taught you that bullshit... I learned that crap from Preschool, and unlike you, I understand that stuff...
No i'm not trying to say its amazon fault for hancock being strong and getting a treaty. i'm just saying i feel bad for her, she is now TRAPPED by that same treaty. Which is why i feel a defend amazon lily arc will also resolve that. the WG attack on Amazon Lily being stopped and defeated would be a great moral boost, show their strength and also set WG back on heels. Not saying they can't send another force easy enough, especially if Hancock leaves and SH's and others not htere anymore, but makes them think "is it worth it" We have plenty of other matters to deal with right now, lets ignore AL for now.
Your theory is false because you expect that the WG will have to revoke the treaty, which it mostly certainly won't be…
That's the big problem, you force her to have conflict without any reason to have it, and to assure this, it's impossible to even believe...
So, even though you feel sorry for her, she's a tool. Let her suffer like she forces everyone else to suffer because she feels too ashamed of her self, let her die for the people that she treats as serfs, let her live that trapped life since she has the personality to deserve that.
I don't feel sorry for her at all, she deserves it, it's karma.
I feel sorry for her fans that are too stupid to comprehend everything being told...
@flandrian15:
solution: Marines enter Amazon Lilly to capture Boa and the Kuja and destroy the island but they see the Kuja actually hunting Boa and Luffy down, so called because she brought a man to the island and because jealous old empress nyon has regained control of the island. They will try to kill Boa when the marines arrive but do not succeed and at that time Luffy, Boa, jinbei and some Strawhats (like sanji who seems closest to getting to Amazon Lilly, where he will permanently be de-okamaed, so he HAS to visit the island) escape on the Kuja ship. This was all for show so that Boa could leave with Luffy and have the amazons save. The WG would think they are against Boa and will not destroy the island of amazons. . .
The WG would target the AL island for their history, not because of the Boa Hancock; this is an operation to end piracy, not to end Hancock. Big difference…
@Super:
Hancock supporters have made it so Agog has never looked so good.
Great job.
Hey, MY Perona theories at least haven't ever failed to leave things to a "yay or nay" answer; you either choose to disagree, or to agree that they are possible.
I've never been lower than them, you must be kidding me with these insults…
@Robo:
Please never post again.
Yes, I wish he would stop posting… It scares me. :happy:
Can we just set up a fanfic subforum so people have somewhere to wank out characters aside from here.
LOL. Despite all the anti-Hancock sentiment, it's actually good to see this thread so lively. At last the complainers decided to join the discussion instead of just whining. It would be better if you had anything besides the "Hancock must protect her island" card, but I guess you have nothing else to hold on to.
Her desire for her beloved country, wich boa doesnt really have.(she treats her ppl like shit)
Thoughtyou were talking about Perona for a second. She does care about her sisters and probably more importantly she cares and wants to be the empress if she didn't really care about her ppl she could've left any time she wanted to. It's obvious that she does in her own twisted way.
Well if a capable fighter stand for my believes & helping me out BIG time, I would be sure to at least ask him to join.
So Luffy's going to be asking Jinbei to join soon too? I wonder why Gan fall isn't in the crew?
And I wonder how much OneManCollectiblez actually offends me when he says his "posts" are better than my own… I felt the lowest insult in my entire life, it does hurt. :blink:
I like the way you think, and I hope this does do the job... Here's a WALL OF TEXT attack to renew this whole convo!!
It's the same wrong response...
Yes, here's a page resource:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/515/02-03/ - AL is made…
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/515/04/ - Been on steroids raising up their army ever since…
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/515/05/ = Motto is "power = beauty" so that means they compete like motherfuckers over there and gain a lot of power…We don't know when they were pirates, but we know that they're pirates that attacked the WG for quite a while.
No, I don't care about Hancock because she could have easily left them all and ran off in her own direction rather than returning back to Amazon Lilly. She had the chance to head where ever she wished to go, it was her choice.
Yes, it is evil of her as the LEADER that shits all over them for at least 11 years and makes them look like trash every day in and out with her fucked up attitude... I believe that since she did all that trash, she should basically die for them like Christ died for his followers-- Even though I say this lightly since I don't give a damn for religion...
It was her choice to even get into that position, her choice to take that power. She could have headed her own way if she wanted, blame her. She's going to be stuck with the responsibilities entrusted onto her, it's her job.
No, they wouldn't have been like they were, they had the Calm Belt to save them, now they don't.Yes, but it doesn't matter what they called themselves, they pillaged and attacked merchant ships for their goods-- a heinous crime against the group in charge of those ships. Whether or not they were or weren't pirates is their own worth; they're evil against the WG and they're asking for an ass whooping.
And no, Hancock didn't save them, she just gained the TREATY before the WG was able to mass-produce those warships and send them against them... She offered the WG an incentive to have her services, rather than shut their world down and then rape their resources for their own usage...
Yes, they'd have been killed ages ago if the WG had those ships, that's the "influence" that suggests from the manga that they are a high priority case-- you get the point of what this means if she lets them die and hopes they won't get attacked?
Well, in my theory, I say that Hancock gets butt fucked and then Luffy kills her because he gets a present from Perona on SA that has the incident of AL on the front page that they're all dead, and then Perona joins because she saved the day!!
Theories like these are great, no?
I did...
New World isn't under the WG's influence, they ignore all of that stuff anyway.
Revolutionary Army is biding their time and hiding, they can't bother to provoke them nor could they find them.
Luffy, Blackbeard, and any other moving pirate ship is moving around and would take time to locate and find, they're not stationary.
Every other newbie pirate in the Blues are rookies and will eventually head to go through the Red Line in the Grand Line anyway, so they'll be caught in the future, they're not of top priority.So, this leaves with the looming threat of the neighbor AL tribe being there... They're at the highest priority because of them being so close and dangerous to the safety of the WG's main officials.
Plus, they are stationary and evil by law, there's just too many advantages in attacking them...
Please, tell me what 50 things come before Amazon Lilly and what "priority" class your dumbass took in college; cause you're a dipshit.
I seriously hope you take your preschool lessons seriously, you've got to be the saddest excuse for a human being that I've seen; someone dumber than that of a rock is practically unbearable...
It doesn't matter... The flaw is that you're saying Boa Hancock can join and will be accepted even though this is bound to happen eventually... That's the problem.
Brownbeard isn't attacking their home town... Furthermore, unless Fisher Tiger's follower pulls a Fisher Tiger, nobody is attacking Marijoes... Luckily for you, the Amazon Lilly people are the closest to having the chance to attack Marijoes since Fishman Island is on a freaking peace treaty with WG...
Unfortunately, if Boa Hancock joins, the AL will be considered as a threat and their ass will be lit ablaze...
The idea that you even took a class in something is insulting; not to me, but to whatever college you went to that taught you that bullshit... I learned that crap from Preschool, and unlike you, I understand that stuff...
Your theory is false because you expect that the WG will have to revoke the treaty, which it mostly certainly won't be...
That's the big problem, you force her to have conflict without any reason to have it, and to assure this, it's impossible to even believe...
So, even though you feel sorry for her, she's a tool. Let her suffer like she forces everyone else to suffer because she feels too ashamed of her self, let her die for the people that she treats as serfs, let her live that trapped life since she has the personality to deserve that.
I don't feel sorry for her at all, she deserves it, it's karma.
I feel sorry for her fans that are too stupid to comprehend everything being told...
The WG would target the AL island for their history, not because of the Boa Hancock; this is an operation to end piracy, not to end Hancock. Big difference...
Hey, MY Perona theories at least haven't ever failed to leave things to a "yay or nay" answer; you either choose to disagree, or to agree that they are possible.
I've never been lower than them, you must be kidding me with these insults...
Yes, I wish he would stop posting... It scares me. :happy:
Preschool and retard? Obviously words that were used to you a lot.
LOL. Despite all the anti-Hancock sentiment, it's actually good to see this thread so lively. At last the complainers decided to join the discussion instead of just whining. It would be better if you had anything besides the "Hancock must protect her island" card, but I guess you have nothing else to hold on to.
I don't think Hancock's personality would fit the crew.
She has that Queen vibe.
LOL. Despite all the anti-Hancock sentiment, it's actually good to see this thread so lively. At last the complainers decided to join the discussion instead of just whining. It would be better if you had anything besides the "Hancock must protect her island" card, but I guess you have nothing else to hold on to.
Well, until you manage to top it, why bother trying to add fuel to the fire that never fades…?
It's like demoting Mozart because he's classic, the absurdity of it...
This argument is so classic that it has never been argued against since it was introduced before Hancock was even revealed to have a backstory!!
So, go back to the drawing board and think over what you will do to argue against this...
Preschool and retard? Obviously words that were used to you a lot.
Hard on reading, eh?
Hope this helps you out…
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RETARD PRESCHOOL
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@The:
I don't think Hancock's personality would fit the crew.
She has that Queen vibe.
In my opinion, the fact that it's something we don't find already in the crew just reinforces how good it would be for someone so different to join.
Conflict is good. Zoro vs. Sanji is one of the funniest interactions in the crew.
Well, until you manage to top it, why bother trying to add fuel to the fire that never fades…?
It's like demoting Mozart because he's classic, the absurdity of it...
This argument is so classic that it has never been argued against since it was introduced before Hancock was even revealed to have a backstory!!
So, go back to the drawing board and think over what you will do to argue against this...
I'm not saying the argument is not valid. It is, specially since for now Hancock supporters can't defend against it without resorting to future possibilities (which is just speculation and personal opinion). However, it's the only argument that people really have against her now that is not based on personal bias.
LOL. Despite all the anti-Hancock sentiment, it's actually good to see this thread so lively.
At last the complainers decided to join the discussion instead of just whining. It would be better if you had anything besides the "Hancock must protect her island" card, but I guess you have nothing else to hold on to.
She sucks as a character, according to other Hancock supporters she isn't even SH like going off what you all think she'd be willing to do just to follow Luffy.
In my opinion, the fact that it's something we don't find already in the crew just reinforces how good it would be for someone so different to join.
Conflict is good. Zoro vs. Sanji is one of the funniest interactions in the crew.
I'm not saying the argument is not valid. It is, specially since for now Hancock supporters can't defend against it without resorting to future possibilities (which is just speculation and personal opinion). However, it's the only argument that people really have against her now that is not based on personal bias.
Which beats everything you have to claim she'll join that is only based on bias, so what's that mean to you?
I think that it means your entire campaign is killed by a small "ancient" argument that's been in play before her character was even introduced…
Sad, but true.
Although, since I love to brag, Perona has lost her "argument" of island devotion since Oda has already removed her from that situation... Which, in my humble opinion looks good for my side...
Gin! Gin I say! It will be Gin!
I'm not saying the argument is not valid. It is, specially since for now Hancock supporters can't defend against it without resorting to future possibilities (which is just speculation and personal opinion). However, it's the only argument that people really have against her now that is not based on personal bias.
Speculation is fine if it can actually stand up to any kind of scrutiny.
Thus far all that has been offered is messy, labourious and Byzantine theories.
And since this is pretty much the vital point on which everything relies, it's pretty funny to hear you deride it as a point for "something to hold on to".
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Thoughtyou were talking about Perona for a second. She does care about her sisters and probably more importantly she cares and wants to be the empress if she didn't really care about her ppl she could've left any time she wanted to. It's obvious that she does in her own twisted way.
So Luffy's going to be asking Jinbei to join soon too? I wonder why Gan fall isn't in the crew?
Jimbei will be the 10th:P.
Luffy was actually the 1 helping ganfall to get rid of Enel. (this is how I see it)